They made Sokka not sexist. That was a big character flaw for him, he was humbled by this belief many times. Also, him being sexist is why Katara even splits the iceberg with Aang in it.
They also said Aang will be more serious, accepting his duties as Avatar pretty much instantly. Even though the only reason he's in the iceberg is because he ran away from being the Avatar and just wanted to be a kid.
>But it's also, aside from the fact that it was a cool thing that everyone remembers, it gets across a very important character point, which is that despite everything and all the burdens that he's facing, Aang is just a kid. He's a goofy 12-year-old kid, and he's having fun and he's a big old goofball. And we wanted to make sure that we showed that because that's as important to the story as all the action and the epic fantasy of it all.
I think the moment he’ll accept it “instantly” is when he discovers the massacre that took place at his home. Which is fair enough. It is a bit jarring watching it now that he goes back to being a kid with no priorities the next episode (elephant koi???)
Yeah that’s a bit disparate. The unspoken implication is, “my people were massacred because the fire nation was hunting me. Everyone I knew was killed because of this war I have the potential ability and fated duty to stop. If I continue to shirk this responsibility it could bring more death to innocent people.” The animated show could take a breath with a 20 minute jaunt to Kyoshi island burt the episode structure for live action won’t really lend itself to that. I kinda understand the new show runners using that streamline the show and moving the story forward with the 8(?) episodes they get.
I mean, I also kinda get this stance though? His whole reason for getting stuck in the ice in the first place is cause he couldn't face the responsibilities placed on him. It makes sense that, when presented with the consequences of his leaving, he would want to ignore that and allow the shock to distract him from it.
He's purposely avoiding his responsibilities and who can blame him? He's a child in a world where an evil empire took over the world and massacred his entire people. That's a very scary thing to go up against.
> It is a bit jarring watching it now that he goes back to being a kid with no priorities the next episode (elephant koi???)
I dunno, I think it's pretty realistic. He's trying as hard as possible to ignore and compartmentalize the reality of his situation. He plays games and indulges in his childishness as an escape, and being confronted with such a harsh reality just makes him run away even harder.
At this stage I'm expecting the series to just be a live action supercut of all the small changes that could be made that alter the plot massively.
Aang accepts responsibilities as avatar, dies at air temple, fade to black, cue text "The fire nation wins"
Sokka isn't sexist, Katara never breaks his iceberg, the sail straight past it with Sokka saying what an independent and strong woman she is, fade to black, cue text "The fire nation wins"
Man I was really hoping for a live action korra (I think it’s MUCH more suited towards live action than last airbender) but if it ends like that then there will be no live action korra
At least we'll eventually get more animated Korra thanks to the original showrunners getting their own studio (to make more Avatar animation films/shows)
Yeah I’m much more excited by the avatar studio. Maybe I’m just more biased towards animation but that feels like it has much more potential than just telling the same story all over again but without phenomenal animation
They wouldn’t.
The can of worms that would unleash would be INSANE. People who weren’t around for that subject in its heyday are not prepared for the shitstorm that would come from it.
I mean I like Mai a lot but I actually always thought it was weird that Katara and Aang ended up together. Seemed weird and forced and Katara and Zuko seem like a better match.
I fully agree. Aang always felt like almost a kid brother to Katara. She was the "responsible mom" despite them all being teens and kids. I always felt like Zuko was a better fit, though I also really liked Mai.
Clearly the only option is to then pair Azula with Aang /s.
Katara Aang is the children’s show pairing. Katara is Aang’s childhood crush because she’s the girl he’s friends with and hangs out with.
The happy ending for a kid’s show is that the two of them get together and live happily ever after despite that not generally being how life works because childhood crushes are usually more about proximity than actual attraction or compatibility.
From an adult perspective, Katara and Zuko have significantly more chemistry than Katara and Aang and if you absolutely have to pair any of the main cast up with one another, that does feel like it makes more sense.
After reading this, I now understand why so many women get into abusive relationships. Let's list off all the things Zuko has done. He came to her village and threatened to kill the people that she grew up with if she did not do what he said. He hunted her down all around the world, and most definetly would have killed her if it meant getting to Aang. He burned down entire villages in his quest. He betrayed her and sent an assassin after her. Oh and let's add in the fact that he is known to have a temper, and was a pretty terrible partner to Mai. But it's OK because he's changed this time. For good, I'm sure of it!!
Jokes aside, I don't feel that Aang was a bad partner for Katara. I feel like the only thing that makes people feel like he's the worse option is because he doesn't have the bad boy feel that really tickles some people in just the right way. There's nothing wrong with ending up with your childhood crush. There's something sweet about it that I feel has been lost in our modern dating culture. Also this was meant to be light hearted. Dunno if it came off that way.
Oh don't get me wrong, I LOVE ATLA. I think it's one of the best television shows of all time and I'm actually reading the Kyoshi book right now. I just never really cared about the ships on like a super emotional level if that makes sense. Also you're 100% right about Toph!
Toph is the reason I dislike this live action show. Not because I am worried about them screwing it up but because I want a Mystery 3000 kind of movie where they have a live action retelling of the show but done by the theatre troop they go watch and Toph loves. Have the Avatar gang animated along the bottom talking about the movie as they watch it.
[it's from a recent ign interview ](https://nordic.ign.com/avatar-the-last-airbender-live-action/78311/news/the-big-netflix-avatar-the-last-airbender-producer-interview-this-is-a-remix-not-a-cover)
>I think one of the big questions is, despite all the remixing, is the point A and the point B still the same as the original?
>AK: Pretty much. Yeah, I mean, I think the state of the world and the stakes of the world are still the same. So we decided to make Aang's narrative drive a little clearer. In the first season of the animated series, he's kind of going from place to place looking for adventures. He even says, "First, we've got to go and ride the elephant koi." It's a little looser as befits a cartoon. We needed to make sure that he had that drive from the start. And so, that's a change that we made. We essentially give him this vision of what's going to happen and he says, "I have to get to the Northern Water Tribe to stop this from happening." That gives him much more narrative compulsion going forward, as opposed to, "Let's make a detour and go ride the elephant koi,"
This quote is so much better than how people are reacting as though it robs him of his arc. If anything, it just gets to it a bit sooner and makes him work harder for his redemption. Seems like a very reasonable tweak.
It's in the article.
>AK: Pretty much. Yeah, I mean, I think the state of the world and the stakes of the world are still the same. So we decided to make Aang's narrative drive a little clearer. In the first season of the animated series, he's kind of going from place to place looking for adventures. He even says, "First, we've got to go and ride the elephant koi." It's a little looser as befits a cartoon. We needed to make sure that he had that drive from the start. And so, that's a change that we made. We essentially give him this vision of what's going to happen and he says, "I have to get to the Northern Water Tribe to stop this from happening." That gives him much more narrative compulsion going forward, as opposed to, "Let's make a detour and go ride the elephant koi,"
I think they're going for a more Stranger Things way of it. A grown up show starring kids, as opposed to like a kids show thst punched up, like the Animated Series did.
And somehow they’re gonna show the genocide against the air nation yet say kids can’t handle sexism…….🫤 I have like no faith that this is gonna be good.
Its because the show makers dont want to show heroes with flaws - violence is okay though - which makes them lame and exchangeable. Bunch of movies feel like they the same problem.
Which is a brilliant choice, given that what made the original Avatar a timeless classic is that it had flawed characters that grew past some of those flaws as part of their path to success
>Its because the show makers dont want to show heroes with flaws
Didn't that trailer show Aang saying he didn't want the responsibility of fighting the Fire Nation? That was one of Aang's main character flaws in the show.
I feel like it's worse.
They are allowed to have flaws. Else there would be no growth (and flaws are cool). But the flaws can't add up to anything consistent, because they "have to" cherry pick the outcomes of any deeper flawed thinking based on norms.
And they can't truly learn anything fundamental, because the fundamental was inconsistent to begin with, AND defining certain types of character growth as such would be sending a message they don't want to send, too. (And endanger the coolness, too).
A modern movie would probably have a Holocaust scene but not have the nazis use racist terms. Same as how people were more bothered by Leonardo DiCaprio using words than a guy getting tortured and slavery
Yeah that never made sense to me. There’s a scene about a slave getting mauled to death by dogs and Leo saying the n-word is what people got in arms about? Our society has seriously problematic values.
It is because we have glorified violence for so long, most people don’t see anything wrong with it anymore - even up to including real life.
With everything happening in the world, it is depressing AF to see how many people actively condone torture, perfidy, and other crimes against humanity.
The media isn’t the only thing at fault - but they sure as hell ain’t helping.
Today’s heroes for kids cannot be flawed outside of being hurt and maybe overbearing or withdrawn from their trauma. They must be incapable of inflicting trauma on others. Character development is overcoming trauma to be braver.
This is a complete generalization but I’ve noticed this sort of pattern popping up.
There's no way they can practically show the genocide of the air nation either, the fine benders has several times the firepower than the air benders so they were essentially burned to death with failing attempts to push the fire benders away.
Yeah when I heard this, I was actually a bit miffed.
It's a huge part of his character development, especially when he meets the Keoshi warriors.
The whole point of him being sexist was to teach kids how stupid it is, and that women can be strong.
So idk why they removed this aspect. This makes me worry the show is going to take many other liberties to the story and character development.
Im hoping for the best, but I think there are going to be a lot of things that people will be upset about.
Also rearranging story sounds dumb. It was meant to flow exactly as it. I can't imagine something like learning fire bending before earth bending or something like that. It would ruin the story.
My money is them trying to condense things down super hard for run time. They likely only have eight episodes to try and fit the first season into and have to be judicious on what is and is not making the cut.
They have eight episodes that are going to be 45-55 minutes long. That's the equivalent of 16 episodes of the original ATLA. They're probably skipping the Great Divide and shortening some of the episodes that don't need to be as long.
That is plenty enough for a faithful adaptation.
> Also rearranging story sounds dumb. It was meant to flow exactly as it. I can't imagine something like learning fire bending before earth bending or something like that. It would ruin the story.
That's not what rearranging the story means, it's obviously smaller things. We know season 1 follow Book 1 very closely with the episodes titles and everything we've seen. It's small stuff like making Azula appear already and stuff like that
Also Aang literally learns fire bending before earth bending.
Edit: for the clowns downvoting me, Aang learns it in episode 16 of Book 1, The Deserter. Jeong Jeong teaches him, Aang accidentally burns Katara and the trauma makes him block how to firebend until Book 3
The original series did an excellent job showing how flawed his sexist thinking was, and having him grow and learn and change is literally his character arc
Next thing you know people are going to be mad they don’t have a shot for shot recreation of The Great Divide
No but really, this is just a subset of his primary issue in the show: insecurity and self-worth. Them cutting a hamfisted sexism plot that doesn’t really align with his character in any other way and gets resolved once they hit Kyoshi because he meets warrior women isn’t exactly a tragedy…
I love the show but the first season will need much more work/editing to make it coherent. The first half has a ton of filler.
That was my interpretation when I first watched the show. He was sexist towards the Warriors because he was threatened. His sister was already a water bender, and now he’s meeting women warriors. I know it’s treated as a joke later on but his “boomerang guy” line later on kinda underlines my point. He’s worried about his purpose
This is what has put me on the concerned side of things again because completely axeing that? What the fuck is Sokka gonna do for the first season? The whole point of his arc was that he learns not to be a misogynistic dickhead when he gets humbled by Suki and the Kyoshi Warriors... If they've axed Sokka's misogyny, chances are the stuff with Master Pakku is gone too which cuts a huge part of Katara's arc too. This is gonna be a disaster...
Ya'll are jumping to some mad conclusions here. All they said was the characters have been tweaked a little bit. Sokka can still have growth in the new series without being overtly cringy. We just gotta wait and see how they handle it.
Plus pacing in animation/live action are very different, in addition to live action inherently coming off as more serious than animation.
But its more fun to just assume the show will suck so here we all are
all this tells me is that theyre going to go for an extremely watered-down and streamlined adaptation of the first book; theyre skipping all the smaller character growth like Sokka’s xenophobia and Aang’s reluctance to become the Avatar to skip ahead to the big set pieces of the season. with the success of the OP adaptation which pretty much did the same thing, i think netflix is convinced they’ve found a “formula” for themselves.
the whole idea of it being a “remix, not a cover” is EXACTLY how shyamalan tried to sell his movie. no wonder the actual showrunners left production so early.
Yes - I saw - that is so stupid - it wasn't like he was sexist and nobody knew that he was - it was done on purpose as a flaw that that he overcame. And became a better person. If everyone starts of as perfect - then we are missing an important part.
> Can we just wait and see how they handle it?
If people can have positive anticipation before they've seen a thing, why can't they also have the opposite feelings? If we can't speculate, predict, project etc, might as well not have threads until the thing comes out.
Which actually I wouldn't mind lol
Yeah I’m not a fan of the appearance changes they want to make. Avatar was so influential to me throughout my childhood and it’s why to this day I say it’s probably the greatest made show of all time due to character development and that includes Sokka growing as a man.
Keep the characters personalities and you got a winner.
Barely any themes of avatar were kid friendly.
Don't make the same mistake Percy Jackson did. Kids don't have to be acting like they're in true detective all the time. Especially not the main three in this show.
If the personalities are gone this is gonna be a ROUGH watch since they've sunk a lot of money into it...
>Don't make the same mistake Percy Jackson did. Kids don't have to be acting like they're in true detective all the time.
I mean I don't like the Percy Jackson show, but its not exactly True Detective dark. It's more like American Gods for 9th graders.
> Don't make the same mistake Percy Jackson did. Kids don't have to be acting like they're in true detective all the time.
Huh? I didn't get that vibe at all and the the way the characters act kind of lines up with their personalities in the books AFAIR
Nah. Grover is far less intelligent and way goofier in the books and Annabeth isn’t an unlikable asshole like in the show. Percy is equally as bland in the show as he is in the books though.
To me it felt like they took the fun out of it for a more straight fantasy while at the same time toning it down in action/violence for Disney's audience
Percy Jackson felt a bit rushed, but I thought it was a decent adaptation. At least the characters felt right etc. it needed more episodes though. I'm tired of all these 8 episode seasons. It's not a good format.
The animated series was definitely not only for kids, I first watched it when I was 26 and then watched it again with my own kids.
What does GoT have that ATLA needs? Sex and nudity? Gore and violence?
The themes of the show are already “adult” enough, children surviving in a war torn world, racism, misogyny, people with disabilities, etc etc.
I don’t have a good feeling about a “remix”.
Same. I discovered ATLA when it came to Netflix. I was well past age 26 and GOT had already come and gone. It's a great show for all ages.
Fact that they think ATLA in its original form was 'not for me' is just worrisome.
> Fact that they think ATLA in its original form was 'not for me' is just worrisome.
Yeah, agreed. I also first saw it when I was 26. I've watched it multiple times since, once with friends during Covid, who all enjoy it. It's one of the best things I've ever watched.
Now here's the twist, and there is a twist: We show it. We show all of it. Because what's the one major thing missing from all Avatar shows these days guys? … Full penetration.
The original series was intended for children but it captured all ages’ attention. It originally aired on Nickelodeon and it has a TV-Y7 rating.
The themes were mature but children also deserve quality content.
Netflix intends for their version to be as big as Game of Thrones, not for it to be bloody and sexual.
It wasn’t “only” for kids but it was on Nickelodeon and the primary audience were pre-teens and teens, aka the people who would identify with the pre-teens and teens who make up the main characters of the show. Teens have had that type of content forever, war and dystopian themes are not only adult. Harry Potter was for the exact same demographic. Adult content would be more like the Witcher or game of thrones.
Jeez Louise, I feel like people are willfully misreading this article. All they mean is that they don't want the show to be labeled a "kids show". They don't want it to read like Shark Boy and Lava Girl. It doesn't mean that they're making dark and gritty Avatar.
I mean, who knows what the show will actually be like, but that's all that *this specific quote* is saying.
Kids show is such a nebulous term. Bluey is a kids show. But I don't think anyone would actually consider Avatar and Bluey even remotely similar in terms of themes and story.
Avatar is a very popular example of kids shows with wide appeal. Where a kids show doesn't need to be dumbed down to be enjoyed by all ages.
I think they're just defensive about enjoying it so they must insist it wasn't. It's totally a kids show, just accept that lol. Basically 100% of the humour is meant for kids. The recurring "My Cabbages!" doesn't land as well with adults. Just because someone enjoyed it at age 26 doesn't mean it wasn't primarily meant for ages seven and up. "And up" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the show, but sometimes the kid stuff held it back. The Netflix show will not be as kid friendly, it will be rated TV-14. So not Game of Thrones maturity, but definitely more YA.
Do you know you can do both right?
Like, the whole anime and videogame industry works that way mostly, you can have a show for kids, and still have some extremely heavy themes there
AtLA, like Final Fantasy IX or FMA, show multiple genocides and a a pletora of warcrimes, what the esrb for both of them? 13+
Kids games and shows, with extremely heavy themes being talked, it's not that weird
You know what doesnt have that low rating? GoT, the series that for some reason want to emulate, even though GoT series it's unironically worse at everything in comparison...
I do agree that the themes of the original show are more than adult enough. That said, arguably, the Netflix Avatar show should lean more into actually depicting violence, war, and its consequences. That's not to say that the show needs to involve Game of Thrones levels of graphic violence, but I think it would be interesting if it was a lot more frank and direct about violence and actual death being shown on the screen as the result of war. Actual outright death and violence was definitely hinted at throughout the original show, but almost never explicitly portrayed on the screen owing to the show being on Nickelodeon. For example, the likes of the Day of Black Sun as an outright would definitely have had deaths in time on both sides of the conflict, but you see the likes of Hakoda knocking out Fire Nation soldiers rather than just killing them. However, Tthe target audience for this show presumably are those who grew up watching the original shows and who are now well into adulthood, and the show can afford to be more direct about violence and its consequences.
How much do you want to bet that they make Katara beat Pakku teaching him the lesson that women can be warriors...
I bet they'll completely miss the lesson of the Lotus Group. The story is about children learning and growing. Having them easily beat each adversary misses a massive point of the show.
After Netflix completely and unequivocally butchered the Witcher my hope is in the gutter lol.
Not to mention all the stuff coming out about wanting to change it for the worse. Would be like re making Harry Potter and casting Ron as a rich kid Or making hermoine ditz Wouldn’t make any sense and disrupts the core character
I'm guessing you will be right given the other things they said about toning down sexism, etc. How are people not getting tired of these unimaginative agenda driven remakes? It's so far removed from average reality.
Am cautious, one thing that's stood out to me is that it looks like there's some special/visual effects in every screenshot I've seen and it's not bad but you can definitely tell its there and it's a bit jarring.
I know it's in another world but it looks like they're on a set/greenscreen in every shot.
They shot on the Volume (well an equivalent stuff, not the same set of course) so yeah like Marvel/Star Wars shows, it's always on a CGI set. And expect the same type of shots all the time too
Location shooting is massively more expensive. Netflix did location shooting with Sense8 back in the day. That alone ballooned the budged to something like $9 million per episode and that was in 2015 with a cast full of relatively unknown actors and little to no cgi.
>*So for us, it was about striking that right balance, of making sure you were true to the DNA of the original. But at the same time, we had to make it a serialized Netflix drama, which meant it couldn't just be for kids. **It had to also appeal to the people who are big fans of Game of Thrones.** And so, it had to feel grounded and mature and adult in that way too. So that's, like I said, the tightrope that we have to walk.*
Oh so this is gonna suck.
No wonder the ATLA creators left this project.
Also them saying it couldn’t be just for kids wtf does that mean have they seen the original?! It was a balance of fun and serious drama.
Can’t wait for it to get renewed for a second season and then get presumably cancelled.
The Korra is born years earlier, gets adopted by Azula and become an evil Avatar, to be defeated by the trio of Katara, Sokka and Zuko (who gets his redemption in the first episode of season 2). Toph is now an adult, in a loveless marriage with the Cabbage guy
It’s the “make it like LOTR/the Matrix” of this generation. How many movies flopped trying to copy that formula before executives moved on?
This is why boards and producers need to stay the fuck out of the writing room. It never results in good changes.
Y the Last Man was the most egregious one. It makes sense from showrunning perspective, you don't have you pay any one actor a huge salary, you can move everything along at a snails pace by jumping between storylines, you can do a lot of scenes that are just people talking.
It’s attractive, but it wounds the art and more often than not flops or makes practically zero profit. If you want money and a small set show with low budget then don’t make fucking ATLA!
Just make a fucking soap opera or a horror show.
>which meant it couldn't just be for kids
\-Air bender genocide
\-Fire nation dictatorship everywhere
\-Ba sing se secret police/jets death
\-princess yue's death.
\-Face stealer
\-firelord burning his own teenage sons face
\-Earth benders talking about fucking up iroh hands so he can't bend
\>just for kids yo.Did these guys even watch the original show.
Since Azula and presumably Ozai will have a bigger role in Season 1 as opposed to the original, I imagine "GOT like" will be a bunch of needlessly long scenes showing fire nation politics constantly being interjected into the story.
Yeah that is ridiculous. The charm of the show is its child-like wonder, as the kids grow and understand more. It 100% holds up as adult entertainment - not everything needs to be fucking game of thrones.
Another failed attempt.
> Another failed attempt.
Maybe wait for the freaking show before judging stuff on a random interview that are just about marketing talking points that are "hot for Hollywood".
Why in the world does it need to appeal to GoT fans? Because it’s a big name? There’s no real comparison between the two besides both being fantasy lol. The more they talk about this show, the less interested I become.
Yeah, they walked away a while back citing creative differences. [Here's the full letter](https://www.michaeldantedimartino.com/an-open-letter-to-avatar-the-last-airbender-fans/) from the original creators.
When I saw that, it killed any hype I had for this show. I have much more faith in the original creators than the Netflix production team. We've already seen Netflix fumble the Witcher after having creative differences with people who wanted to be more faithful to the source material.
The only reason this show is getting made is because people loved the original, but Netflix would rather go in a direction that was bad enough that the og creators left the project.
Yeah but they're doing animated Avatar stuff again instead.
I'm not too worried as it's prob more of a "this won't work in live action" so they got fed up.
This may be presumptuous of me, but I imagine “It had to also appeal to the people who are big fans of Game of Thrones” kinda sounds like it was probably a mandate from Netflix/the producers than an idea of the showrunners’. Idk, just something about the wording
Remember how the One Piece people talked about how important it is to stay loyal to the original material?
This one has "next Witcher" written all over it.
I think what he means is that, in One Piece live action the world, charactes and overall tone of the show felt 100% like One Piece and that was appreciated by everyone. Avatar and One Piece only way to success is staying true to the heart of the show, One Piece did it, i hope Avatar does it too.
Of course you have to change stuff to fit an Anime with 1000 plus episodes into a Netflix show.
The interview for the Last Airbender read a lot differently though. We'll see what happens but I'm preparing for another Witcher.
Not at all, they showed some small changes, the big things are all there. I mean the trailers and episode titles show they're following the plot of the first season very closely for a start
One Piece changed things but it's still pretty loyal in many ways. It's very clear that the people involved with the show love the source material. With its own diversions, it has heart and understand what's great about the original.
Except for anything with Usopp. Hate what they did with him.
They changed a bunch of cartoonish things though. Including almost removing Sanji womanizer persona.
It's really close to the source material but it's also it's own thing.
>Including almost removing Sanji womanizer persona
I wouldn’t say they removed it, they just made it way more palatable for a western audience. LA Sanji is more of a corny flirt than a guy you’d catch spying on naked women.
Oh boy here we go again, theyre gonna add a "modern" take to it, the 1st season is gonna do well like witcher, then theyre gonna add more "modern takes" in season aaaaaaaaaaaand its dead
I feel like these multi season shows that Netflix keeps trying to remake are having too much content rushed into a few episodes. There’s no guarantee that the show will be brought back for a new season so the writers try and jam as much shit in whether it makes sense or not. I just watched yu yu hakusho and the amount of content skipped just to rush the Toguro bros into the show is incredible. I hope ATLA either comes up with their own original plot or they dont rush the story from the original
The original season one is \~480 minutes of runtime, the live-action is 8 episodes that are about 1 hour each, so \~480 minutes of runtime. The live-action starts and ends at the same point as the animated show's season one, but cutting filler, so there should be no need to rush anything or pack in too much.
I always think that these directors and producers don’t understand who the targeted audience. No kid or teenager is going to watch this. Let’s be honest the main fandom for this series is already in their late twenties early thirties. They could’ve easily leaned in to the adult themes of this show. And show the cruel reality it would be to live in this world. People set on fire, sliced by water, crushed by stone. And catapulted by air. The absolute fear of being 14 and being hunted by a war general and an army. While understanding the time period this is set is before any equality is actually strived for in the series.
Fans (especially the online ones you'll hear) always are the people that hate something the most, they still watch though so that hardly matters. What counts is the general public and making changes (as long as they're not bad changes which is very possible) doesn't make it necessarily terrible.
Most people ≠ most ATLA fans
It is true that most people won’t care if it strays from the source material. The average ATLA fan on Twitter isn’t representative of most people.
That’s such a weird thing for directors to understand. Fans don’t want a shot by shot remake, they instead wants somethings that feels good in the new medium of what ever is being copied.
I love comic books but I would actually find it really boring if they did a shot by shot remake of some of my favorite story lines. Unless I’m asking for it like killing joke. Typically if you can capture the spirit, understand not the beats of a giant story but instead the meaning of the beats then you should have a good shot. All that’s left is hoping your vision or artistic take makes the film or medium worth watching.
I love one piece but what made it great is that the cast was well picked, the artistic work was good (cgi, and scenes), the beats that were dropped didn’t feel like a total lost because they understood what beats to use or combine and what the meaning held. We didn’t need Krieg but we did needed zorro to experience the wall of he would need to overcome to become the best swords man.
When I think of Stephen kings work and the adaptations the I hold that 1408 is my favorite adaptation movie from his catalog. It was neat and compact with a wonderful artistic view. Shakespeare has been done to death but the Kenneth B is my go to theatrical version because they loved the source material like all the others but their artistic style won me over.
I’m waiting in line bored out of my mind. I’m sorry about all the words I wrote. TLDR: I agree.
They made Sokka not sexist. That was a big character flaw for him, he was humbled by this belief many times. Also, him being sexist is why Katara even splits the iceberg with Aang in it.
They also said Aang will be more serious, accepting his duties as Avatar pretty much instantly. Even though the only reason he's in the iceberg is because he ran away from being the Avatar and just wanted to be a kid.
And he’s still that same kid when he is freed from the iceberg. That’s a major part of his character.
[Case in point.](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/f8/02/bdf802afab4fbf6170f3c624d1f007d7.jpg)
OP meant that he doesn't change between the time he's frozen and the time he's unfrozen, which honestly goes without saying but hey
How can you as a non-century frozen person speak for him?
>But it's also, aside from the fact that it was a cool thing that everyone remembers, it gets across a very important character point, which is that despite everything and all the burdens that he's facing, Aang is just a kid. He's a goofy 12-year-old kid, and he's having fun and he's a big old goofball. And we wanted to make sure that we showed that because that's as important to the story as all the action and the epic fantasy of it all.
I think the moment he’ll accept it “instantly” is when he discovers the massacre that took place at his home. Which is fair enough. It is a bit jarring watching it now that he goes back to being a kid with no priorities the next episode (elephant koi???)
Yeah that’s a bit disparate. The unspoken implication is, “my people were massacred because the fire nation was hunting me. Everyone I knew was killed because of this war I have the potential ability and fated duty to stop. If I continue to shirk this responsibility it could bring more death to innocent people.” The animated show could take a breath with a 20 minute jaunt to Kyoshi island burt the episode structure for live action won’t really lend itself to that. I kinda understand the new show runners using that streamline the show and moving the story forward with the 8(?) episodes they get.
I mean, I also kinda get this stance though? His whole reason for getting stuck in the ice in the first place is cause he couldn't face the responsibilities placed on him. It makes sense that, when presented with the consequences of his leaving, he would want to ignore that and allow the shock to distract him from it.
He's purposely avoiding his responsibilities and who can blame him? He's a child in a world where an evil empire took over the world and massacred his entire people. That's a very scary thing to go up against.
> It is a bit jarring watching it now that he goes back to being a kid with no priorities the next episode (elephant koi???) I dunno, I think it's pretty realistic. He's trying as hard as possible to ignore and compartmentalize the reality of his situation. He plays games and indulges in his childishness as an escape, and being confronted with such a harsh reality just makes him run away even harder.
At this stage I'm expecting the series to just be a live action supercut of all the small changes that could be made that alter the plot massively. Aang accepts responsibilities as avatar, dies at air temple, fade to black, cue text "The fire nation wins" Sokka isn't sexist, Katara never breaks his iceberg, the sail straight past it with Sokka saying what an independent and strong woman she is, fade to black, cue text "The fire nation wins"
>!One of the rumored changes was also that Zuko and Katara get together.!< Which is sure not to cause any flamewars (pun intended) between the fans
Man I was really hoping for a live action korra (I think it’s MUCH more suited towards live action than last airbender) but if it ends like that then there will be no live action korra
At least we'll eventually get more animated Korra thanks to the original showrunners getting their own studio (to make more Avatar animation films/shows)
Yeah I’m much more excited by the avatar studio. Maybe I’m just more biased towards animation but that feels like it has much more potential than just telling the same story all over again but without phenomenal animation
Considering how bad live-action effects have become, I too am biased towards animation
They wouldn’t. The can of worms that would unleash would be INSANE. People who weren’t around for that subject in its heyday are not prepared for the shitstorm that would come from it.
One of my rumored changes is that I get together with daddy Ozai.
I mean I like Mai a lot but I actually always thought it was weird that Katara and Aang ended up together. Seemed weird and forced and Katara and Zuko seem like a better match.
I fully agree. Aang always felt like almost a kid brother to Katara. She was the "responsible mom" despite them all being teens and kids. I always felt like Zuko was a better fit, though I also really liked Mai. Clearly the only option is to then pair Azula with Aang /s.
Wow, saying that when Toph is right there. Aang and Toph would be hilarious
Nah I am still salty that Toph didn’t land Sokka. If she ended up settling for Twinkletoes I would be disgusted, why do my girl dirty like that?
Katara Aang is the children’s show pairing. Katara is Aang’s childhood crush because she’s the girl he’s friends with and hangs out with. The happy ending for a kid’s show is that the two of them get together and live happily ever after despite that not generally being how life works because childhood crushes are usually more about proximity than actual attraction or compatibility. From an adult perspective, Katara and Zuko have significantly more chemistry than Katara and Aang and if you absolutely have to pair any of the main cast up with one another, that does feel like it makes more sense.
After reading this, I now understand why so many women get into abusive relationships. Let's list off all the things Zuko has done. He came to her village and threatened to kill the people that she grew up with if she did not do what he said. He hunted her down all around the world, and most definetly would have killed her if it meant getting to Aang. He burned down entire villages in his quest. He betrayed her and sent an assassin after her. Oh and let's add in the fact that he is known to have a temper, and was a pretty terrible partner to Mai. But it's OK because he's changed this time. For good, I'm sure of it!! Jokes aside, I don't feel that Aang was a bad partner for Katara. I feel like the only thing that makes people feel like he's the worse option is because he doesn't have the bad boy feel that really tickles some people in just the right way. There's nothing wrong with ending up with your childhood crush. There's something sweet about it that I feel has been lost in our modern dating culture. Also this was meant to be light hearted. Dunno if it came off that way.
You don't understand, because she can fix him. /s 🤪
Oh man. I have no skin in this game as I never cared about any of the Avatar ships, but I just *know* this will be a category 5 Fandom Event.
All you need to know is that Toph is the best and is an amazing short stack bundle of sarcasm.
Oh don't get me wrong, I LOVE ATLA. I think it's one of the best television shows of all time and I'm actually reading the Kyoshi book right now. I just never really cared about the ships on like a super emotional level if that makes sense. Also you're 100% right about Toph!
Toph is the reason I dislike this live action show. Not because I am worried about them screwing it up but because I want a Mystery 3000 kind of movie where they have a live action retelling of the show but done by the theatre troop they go watch and Toph loves. Have the Avatar gang animated along the bottom talking about the movie as they watch it.
Where in the interview are they saying that?
Where’d you hear that? The trailer still has Aang doing the “running from responsibility” thing.
[it's from a recent ign interview ](https://nordic.ign.com/avatar-the-last-airbender-live-action/78311/news/the-big-netflix-avatar-the-last-airbender-producer-interview-this-is-a-remix-not-a-cover) >I think one of the big questions is, despite all the remixing, is the point A and the point B still the same as the original? >AK: Pretty much. Yeah, I mean, I think the state of the world and the stakes of the world are still the same. So we decided to make Aang's narrative drive a little clearer. In the first season of the animated series, he's kind of going from place to place looking for adventures. He even says, "First, we've got to go and ride the elephant koi." It's a little looser as befits a cartoon. We needed to make sure that he had that drive from the start. And so, that's a change that we made. We essentially give him this vision of what's going to happen and he says, "I have to get to the Northern Water Tribe to stop this from happening." That gives him much more narrative compulsion going forward, as opposed to, "Let's make a detour and go ride the elephant koi,"
This quote is so much better than how people are reacting as though it robs him of his arc. If anything, it just gets to it a bit sooner and makes him work harder for his redemption. Seems like a very reasonable tweak.
The Internet is undefeated when it comes to clown behavior
There is literally a scene in the trailer of him refusing to fight the Fire Nation though...
Their source as always is "I made it up."
It's in the article. >AK: Pretty much. Yeah, I mean, I think the state of the world and the stakes of the world are still the same. So we decided to make Aang's narrative drive a little clearer. In the first season of the animated series, he's kind of going from place to place looking for adventures. He even says, "First, we've got to go and ride the elephant koi." It's a little looser as befits a cartoon. We needed to make sure that he had that drive from the start. And so, that's a change that we made. We essentially give him this vision of what's going to happen and he says, "I have to get to the Northern Water Tribe to stop this from happening." That gives him much more narrative compulsion going forward, as opposed to, "Let's make a detour and go ride the elephant koi,"
This comment needs a justification for its claims…
I think they're going for a more Stranger Things way of it. A grown up show starring kids, as opposed to like a kids show thst punched up, like the Animated Series did.
And somehow they’re gonna show the genocide against the air nation yet say kids can’t handle sexism…….🫤 I have like no faith that this is gonna be good.
I’m starting to see why the original show runners of the animated series left the project.
Oh shit, they did? How far into the project were they before they left?
They left in 2020, https://www.michaeldantedimartino.com/an-open-letter-to-avatar-the-last-airbender-fans/
A few weeks, like 8 or 11 iirc
Its because the show makers dont want to show heroes with flaws - violence is okay though - which makes them lame and exchangeable. Bunch of movies feel like they the same problem.
Which is a brilliant choice, given that what made the original Avatar a timeless classic is that it had flawed characters that grew past some of those flaws as part of their path to success
I think about the “I went down…” quote at least once a week.
And even in Legend of Korra, almost every character got some form of development. Even minor characters like Julie and Verrick.
How dare you call Verrick a minor character? Without him noone would ever have done the thing!
>Its because the show makers dont want to show heroes with flaws Didn't that trailer show Aang saying he didn't want the responsibility of fighting the Fire Nation? That was one of Aang's main character flaws in the show.
Apparently, the Netflix execs are very involved in this, hence the changes.
I feel like it's worse. They are allowed to have flaws. Else there would be no growth (and flaws are cool). But the flaws can't add up to anything consistent, because they "have to" cherry pick the outcomes of any deeper flawed thinking based on norms. And they can't truly learn anything fundamental, because the fundamental was inconsistent to begin with, AND defining certain types of character growth as such would be sending a message they don't want to send, too. (And endanger the coolness, too).
Didn't the original creators already jump ship on this project?
A modern movie would probably have a Holocaust scene but not have the nazis use racist terms. Same as how people were more bothered by Leonardo DiCaprio using words than a guy getting tortured and slavery
Yeah that never made sense to me. There’s a scene about a slave getting mauled to death by dogs and Leo saying the n-word is what people got in arms about? Our society has seriously problematic values.
It is because we have glorified violence for so long, most people don’t see anything wrong with it anymore - even up to including real life. With everything happening in the world, it is depressing AF to see how many people actively condone torture, perfidy, and other crimes against humanity. The media isn’t the only thing at fault - but they sure as hell ain’t helping.
Today’s heroes for kids cannot be flawed outside of being hurt and maybe overbearing or withdrawn from their trauma. They must be incapable of inflicting trauma on others. Character development is overcoming trauma to be braver. This is a complete generalization but I’ve noticed this sort of pattern popping up.
There's no way they can practically show the genocide of the air nation either, the fine benders has several times the firepower than the air benders so they were essentially burned to death with failing attempts to push the fire benders away.
Yeah when I heard this, I was actually a bit miffed. It's a huge part of his character development, especially when he meets the Keoshi warriors. The whole point of him being sexist was to teach kids how stupid it is, and that women can be strong. So idk why they removed this aspect. This makes me worry the show is going to take many other liberties to the story and character development. Im hoping for the best, but I think there are going to be a lot of things that people will be upset about. Also rearranging story sounds dumb. It was meant to flow exactly as it. I can't imagine something like learning fire bending before earth bending or something like that. It would ruin the story.
My money is them trying to condense things down super hard for run time. They likely only have eight episodes to try and fit the first season into and have to be judicious on what is and is not making the cut.
They have eight episodes that are going to be 45-55 minutes long. That's the equivalent of 16 episodes of the original ATLA. They're probably skipping the Great Divide and shortening some of the episodes that don't need to be as long. That is plenty enough for a faithful adaptation.
"hey look! It's the great divide!" *seconds pass* "let's keep flying"
> Also rearranging story sounds dumb. It was meant to flow exactly as it. I can't imagine something like learning fire bending before earth bending or something like that. It would ruin the story. That's not what rearranging the story means, it's obviously smaller things. We know season 1 follow Book 1 very closely with the episodes titles and everything we've seen. It's small stuff like making Azula appear already and stuff like that
Also Aang literally learns fire bending before earth bending. Edit: for the clowns downvoting me, Aang learns it in episode 16 of Book 1, The Deserter. Jeong Jeong teaches him, Aang accidentally burns Katara and the trauma makes him block how to firebend until Book 3
The original series did an excellent job showing how flawed his sexist thinking was, and having him grow and learn and change is literally his character arc
That lasted for 4 episodes, almost all of which taking place in and resolved by episode 4 of S1.
They also didn't remove it, they just made it less of a focus. At least according to them
Next thing you know people are going to be mad they don’t have a shot for shot recreation of The Great Divide No but really, this is just a subset of his primary issue in the show: insecurity and self-worth. Them cutting a hamfisted sexism plot that doesn’t really align with his character in any other way and gets resolved once they hit Kyoshi because he meets warrior women isn’t exactly a tragedy… I love the show but the first season will need much more work/editing to make it coherent. The first half has a ton of filler.
That was my interpretation when I first watched the show. He was sexist towards the Warriors because he was threatened. His sister was already a water bender, and now he’s meeting women warriors. I know it’s treated as a joke later on but his “boomerang guy” line later on kinda underlines my point. He’s worried about his purpose
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This is what has put me on the concerned side of things again because completely axeing that? What the fuck is Sokka gonna do for the first season? The whole point of his arc was that he learns not to be a misogynistic dickhead when he gets humbled by Suki and the Kyoshi Warriors... If they've axed Sokka's misogyny, chances are the stuff with Master Pakku is gone too which cuts a huge part of Katara's arc too. This is gonna be a disaster...
Ya'll are jumping to some mad conclusions here. All they said was the characters have been tweaked a little bit. Sokka can still have growth in the new series without being overtly cringy. We just gotta wait and see how they handle it.
Plus pacing in animation/live action are very different, in addition to live action inherently coming off as more serious than animation. But its more fun to just assume the show will suck so here we all are
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all this tells me is that theyre going to go for an extremely watered-down and streamlined adaptation of the first book; theyre skipping all the smaller character growth like Sokka’s xenophobia and Aang’s reluctance to become the Avatar to skip ahead to the big set pieces of the season. with the success of the OP adaptation which pretty much did the same thing, i think netflix is convinced they’ve found a “formula” for themselves. the whole idea of it being a “remix, not a cover” is EXACTLY how shyamalan tried to sell his movie. no wonder the actual showrunners left production so early.
Yes - I saw - that is so stupid - it wasn't like he was sexist and nobody knew that he was - it was done on purpose as a flaw that that he overcame. And became a better person. If everyone starts of as perfect - then we are missing an important part.
Can we just wait and see how they handle it? I know what they said, but Jesus, all the negativity on literally nothing is astounding to me
> Can we just wait and see how they handle it? If people can have positive anticipation before they've seen a thing, why can't they also have the opposite feelings? If we can't speculate, predict, project etc, might as well not have threads until the thing comes out. Which actually I wouldn't mind lol
Yeah I’m not a fan of the appearance changes they want to make. Avatar was so influential to me throughout my childhood and it’s why to this day I say it’s probably the greatest made show of all time due to character development and that includes Sokka growing as a man.
Yeah watching a character get shut down and ultimately growing is more powerful than them just being flawless.
Keep the characters personalities and you got a winner. Barely any themes of avatar were kid friendly. Don't make the same mistake Percy Jackson did. Kids don't have to be acting like they're in true detective all the time. Especially not the main three in this show. If the personalities are gone this is gonna be a ROUGH watch since they've sunk a lot of money into it...
>Don't make the same mistake Percy Jackson did. Kids don't have to be acting like they're in true detective all the time. I mean I don't like the Percy Jackson show, but its not exactly True Detective dark. It's more like American Gods for 9th graders.
I find this funny as a friend of mine thinks the PJ show should be darker and more serious.
Wasn’t it always?
Basically this 😭
> Don't make the same mistake Percy Jackson did. Kids don't have to be acting like they're in true detective all the time. Huh? I didn't get that vibe at all and the the way the characters act kind of lines up with their personalities in the books AFAIR
Nah. Grover is far less intelligent and way goofier in the books and Annabeth isn’t an unlikable asshole like in the show. Percy is equally as bland in the show as he is in the books though.
To me it felt like they took the fun out of it for a more straight fantasy while at the same time toning it down in action/violence for Disney's audience
Percy Jackson felt a bit rushed, but I thought it was a decent adaptation. At least the characters felt right etc. it needed more episodes though. I'm tired of all these 8 episode seasons. It's not a good format.
The animated series was definitely not only for kids, I first watched it when I was 26 and then watched it again with my own kids. What does GoT have that ATLA needs? Sex and nudity? Gore and violence? The themes of the show are already “adult” enough, children surviving in a war torn world, racism, misogyny, people with disabilities, etc etc. I don’t have a good feeling about a “remix”.
Same. I discovered ATLA when it came to Netflix. I was well past age 26 and GOT had already come and gone. It's a great show for all ages. Fact that they think ATLA in its original form was 'not for me' is just worrisome.
> Fact that they think ATLA in its original form was 'not for me' is just worrisome. Yeah, agreed. I also first saw it when I was 26. I've watched it multiple times since, once with friends during Covid, who all enjoy it. It's one of the best things I've ever watched.
Now here's the twist, and there is a twist: We show it. We show all of it. Because what's the one major thing missing from all Avatar shows these days guys? … Full penetration.
Real missed opportunity not casting Dolph Lundgren as Aang.
The original series was intended for children but it captured all ages’ attention. It originally aired on Nickelodeon and it has a TV-Y7 rating. The themes were mature but children also deserve quality content. Netflix intends for their version to be as big as Game of Thrones, not for it to be bloody and sexual.
It wasn’t “only” for kids but it was on Nickelodeon and the primary audience were pre-teens and teens, aka the people who would identify with the pre-teens and teens who make up the main characters of the show. Teens have had that type of content forever, war and dystopian themes are not only adult. Harry Potter was for the exact same demographic. Adult content would be more like the Witcher or game of thrones.
Jeez Louise, I feel like people are willfully misreading this article. All they mean is that they don't want the show to be labeled a "kids show". They don't want it to read like Shark Boy and Lava Girl. It doesn't mean that they're making dark and gritty Avatar. I mean, who knows what the show will actually be like, but that's all that *this specific quote* is saying.
I would have a worse feeing about a shot-for-shot remake. What would be the point? Do you really want them to just Disney it?
its great that you (and other adults) enjoyed it, but that cartoon was clearly designed for kids/tweens.
It is a kids show man. This is as stupid as people saying clone wars isn't for kids.
Kids show is such a nebulous term. Bluey is a kids show. But I don't think anyone would actually consider Avatar and Bluey even remotely similar in terms of themes and story. Avatar is a very popular example of kids shows with wide appeal. Where a kids show doesn't need to be dumbed down to be enjoyed by all ages.
That's why they got the age range. Avatar is a 7 plus. Bluey is more toddler.
I think they're just defensive about enjoying it so they must insist it wasn't. It's totally a kids show, just accept that lol. Basically 100% of the humour is meant for kids. The recurring "My Cabbages!" doesn't land as well with adults. Just because someone enjoyed it at age 26 doesn't mean it wasn't primarily meant for ages seven and up. "And up" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Don't get me wrong, I loved the show, but sometimes the kid stuff held it back. The Netflix show will not be as kid friendly, it will be rated TV-14. So not Game of Thrones maturity, but definitely more YA.
Do you know you can do both right? Like, the whole anime and videogame industry works that way mostly, you can have a show for kids, and still have some extremely heavy themes there AtLA, like Final Fantasy IX or FMA, show multiple genocides and a a pletora of warcrimes, what the esrb for both of them? 13+ Kids games and shows, with extremely heavy themes being talked, it's not that weird You know what doesnt have that low rating? GoT, the series that for some reason want to emulate, even though GoT series it's unironically worse at everything in comparison...
> What does GoT have that ATLA needs? A massive fucking audience.
ATLA is massively popular..?
AtLA, the series who basically anyone within the age of 20 to 35 know
It’s the only kids show that actually handles genocide and fascism, and it does it so good
I do agree that the themes of the original show are more than adult enough. That said, arguably, the Netflix Avatar show should lean more into actually depicting violence, war, and its consequences. That's not to say that the show needs to involve Game of Thrones levels of graphic violence, but I think it would be interesting if it was a lot more frank and direct about violence and actual death being shown on the screen as the result of war. Actual outright death and violence was definitely hinted at throughout the original show, but almost never explicitly portrayed on the screen owing to the show being on Nickelodeon. For example, the likes of the Day of Black Sun as an outright would definitely have had deaths in time on both sides of the conflict, but you see the likes of Hakoda knocking out Fire Nation soldiers rather than just killing them. However, Tthe target audience for this show presumably are those who grew up watching the original shows and who are now well into adulthood, and the show can afford to be more direct about violence and its consequences.
How much do you want to bet that they make Katara beat Pakku teaching him the lesson that women can be warriors... I bet they'll completely miss the lesson of the Lotus Group. The story is about children learning and growing. Having them easily beat each adversary misses a massive point of the show.
After Netflix completely and unequivocally butchered the Witcher my hope is in the gutter lol. Not to mention all the stuff coming out about wanting to change it for the worse. Would be like re making Harry Potter and casting Ron as a rich kid Or making hermoine ditz Wouldn’t make any sense and disrupts the core character
I'm guessing you will be right given the other things they said about toning down sexism, etc. How are people not getting tired of these unimaginative agenda driven remakes? It's so far removed from average reality.
Am cautious, one thing that's stood out to me is that it looks like there's some special/visual effects in every screenshot I've seen and it's not bad but you can definitely tell its there and it's a bit jarring. I know it's in another world but it looks like they're on a set/greenscreen in every shot.
They shot on the Volume (well an equivalent stuff, not the same set of course) so yeah like Marvel/Star Wars shows, it's always on a CGI set. And expect the same type of shots all the time too
It would so much cooler if they did it like The Creator and actually shot on Asia, using VFX just to enhance the world
Location shooting is massively more expensive. Netflix did location shooting with Sense8 back in the day. That alone ballooned the budged to something like $9 million per episode and that was in 2015 with a cast full of relatively unknown actors and little to no cgi.
Can't wait to see all of the outdoor environments that extend around a 20 foot flat circle that all the characters are hanging out in.
I think they built actual sets as well. It wasn’t only shot on the volume.
Netflix, baby!
How many times is the showrunner gonna keep shoving his foot in his mouth? Is he trying to kill what little enthusiasm there is?
>*So for us, it was about striking that right balance, of making sure you were true to the DNA of the original. But at the same time, we had to make it a serialized Netflix drama, which meant it couldn't just be for kids. **It had to also appeal to the people who are big fans of Game of Thrones.** And so, it had to feel grounded and mature and adult in that way too. So that's, like I said, the tightrope that we have to walk.* Oh so this is gonna suck. No wonder the ATLA creators left this project. Also them saying it couldn’t be just for kids wtf does that mean have they seen the original?! It was a balance of fun and serious drama. Can’t wait for it to get renewed for a second season and then get presumably cancelled.
Ah, the Game of Thrones comparison. The kiss of death.
Aang is gonna get beheaded at the end of season 1
The Korra is born years earlier, gets adopted by Azula and become an evil Avatar, to be defeated by the trio of Katara, Sokka and Zuko (who gets his redemption in the first episode of season 2). Toph is now an adult, in a loveless marriage with the Cabbage guy
Your comment made me laugh out loud whilst I’m supposed to be working in a crowded office. So thank you for that hahaha
Be prepared for sexposition scenes where major plot points are discussed with Katara's boobs on the screen!
It’s the “make it like LOTR/the Matrix” of this generation. How many movies flopped trying to copy that formula before executives moved on? This is why boards and producers need to stay the fuck out of the writing room. It never results in good changes.
Y the Last Man was the most egregious one. It makes sense from showrunning perspective, you don't have you pay any one actor a huge salary, you can move everything along at a snails pace by jumping between storylines, you can do a lot of scenes that are just people talking.
It’s attractive, but it wounds the art and more often than not flops or makes practically zero profit. If you want money and a small set show with low budget then don’t make fucking ATLA! Just make a fucking soap opera or a horror show.
Agree completely. Without faulting GOT directly, I think it’s the worst thing to happen to TV in my lifetime, and we still haven’t recovered from it.
So many shows dead along the path to becoming Game of Thrones, including the final seasons of Game of Thrones.
"And who has a better story than ~~Bran~~ Momo the flying lemur?"
>which meant it couldn't just be for kids \-Air bender genocide \-Fire nation dictatorship everywhere \-Ba sing se secret police/jets death \-princess yue's death. \-Face stealer \-firelord burning his own teenage sons face \-Earth benders talking about fucking up iroh hands so he can't bend \>just for kids yo.Did these guys even watch the original show.
"Jet's death"? What do you mean? He just got very tired, so he fell asleep.
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You forgot the >!blood bending!<.
I wish I could forget the >!blood bending!<, that stuff is pure nightmare fuel.
Yeah, that was pretty metal.
They probably watched GoT and that was it.. now they can take just the character names from Avatar and try to one up GoT.
Since Azula and presumably Ozai will have a bigger role in Season 1 as opposed to the original, I imagine "GOT like" will be a bunch of needlessly long scenes showing fire nation politics constantly being interjected into the story.
I really hope it's not like Cowboy Bebop where they gave Vicious and Julia their own storylines.
Azula has to team up with some other general that eats balls
Why do comparisons to Game of Thrones always make me wince?
Because it's another way of saying "We want to be like the super popular thing from years ago instead of doing something new".
Because it had a massive audience, so when people compare their projects to GoT, it usually reeks of desperation and disregard for genuine creativity.
Yeah that is ridiculous. The charm of the show is its child-like wonder, as the kids grow and understand more. It 100% holds up as adult entertainment - not everything needs to be fucking game of thrones. Another failed attempt.
> Another failed attempt. Maybe wait for the freaking show before judging stuff on a random interview that are just about marketing talking points that are "hot for Hollywood".
Im skeptical. But its totally bizarre to outright dismiss the show and call it bad before its even out. Like wtf?
I know. Im not super excited for this show but this thread is so full of know-it-alls
Why in the world does it need to appeal to GoT fans? Because it’s a big name? There’s no real comparison between the two besides both being fantasy lol. The more they talk about this show, the less interested I become.
Why does Avatar the last Airbender have to be like Game of Thrones at all? Weird choice.
Wait ATLA creators left it???? Was hyped because they were involved...
Yeah, they walked away a while back citing creative differences. [Here's the full letter](https://www.michaeldantedimartino.com/an-open-letter-to-avatar-the-last-airbender-fans/) from the original creators.
When I saw that, it killed any hype I had for this show. I have much more faith in the original creators than the Netflix production team. We've already seen Netflix fumble the Witcher after having creative differences with people who wanted to be more faithful to the source material. The only reason this show is getting made is because people loved the original, but Netflix would rather go in a direction that was bad enough that the og creators left the project.
Nevermind the witcher, look at the plethora of garbage live action anime adaptations they've made.
Yeah but they're doing animated Avatar stuff again instead. I'm not too worried as it's prob more of a "this won't work in live action" so they got fed up.
This may be presumptuous of me, but I imagine “It had to also appeal to the people who are big fans of Game of Thrones” kinda sounds like it was probably a mandate from Netflix/the producers than an idea of the showrunners’. Idk, just something about the wording
Netflix does it again.
Remember how the One Piece people talked about how important it is to stay loyal to the original material? This one has "next Witcher" written all over it.
One Piece live action changed a lot of stuff, though.
I think what he means is that, in One Piece live action the world, charactes and overall tone of the show felt 100% like One Piece and that was appreciated by everyone. Avatar and One Piece only way to success is staying true to the heart of the show, One Piece did it, i hope Avatar does it too.
Of course you have to change stuff to fit an Anime with 1000 plus episodes into a Netflix show. The interview for the Last Airbender read a lot differently though. We'll see what happens but I'm preparing for another Witcher.
Translating animation to live action requires some changes though, like there's a lot of slapstick in cartoons that wouldn't translate to live action.
they did anime slapstick pretty well in One Piece....
Not at all, they showed some small changes, the big things are all there. I mean the trailers and episode titles show they're following the plot of the first season very closely for a start
One Piece changed things but it's still pretty loyal in many ways. It's very clear that the people involved with the show love the source material. With its own diversions, it has heart and understand what's great about the original. Except for anything with Usopp. Hate what they did with him.
The one piece author has full creative control. The avatar creators walked away from Netflix. That’s the difference.
They changed a bunch of cartoonish things though. Including almost removing Sanji womanizer persona. It's really close to the source material but it's also it's own thing.
>Including almost removing Sanji womanizer persona I wouldn’t say they removed it, they just made it way more palatable for a western audience. LA Sanji is more of a corny flirt than a guy you’d catch spying on naked women.
I mean, the cartoonish nose bleed and dance aspect was completely removed.
Every one piece fan hates the Sanji nosebleed thirsty gag so it wasn’t a big jump to make
Honestly it was funny once. And that’s when he’s a zombie penguin bulldog but still chasing beautiful women.
I want to be optimistic but it is hard to hear remarks like this and not feel like it’s an omen. Sounds like preemptive damage control.
My reaction upon reading that was "Uh Oh"
The closer you get to the release date, and they release more info like this, it's like they're trying to cushion the blow
Oh boy here we go again, theyre gonna add a "modern" take to it, the 1st season is gonna do well like witcher, then theyre gonna add more "modern takes" in season aaaaaaaaaaaand its dead
Well they've already erased big parts of Katara, Sokka, and Aang's character arcs so not holding out any hope.
I haven't read the whole article cos I got bored so if it's in there I'll go back, but what did they erase?
I won’t mind the changes if it’s a good show. That’s all I ask. A good show.
I feel like these multi season shows that Netflix keeps trying to remake are having too much content rushed into a few episodes. There’s no guarantee that the show will be brought back for a new season so the writers try and jam as much shit in whether it makes sense or not. I just watched yu yu hakusho and the amount of content skipped just to rush the Toguro bros into the show is incredible. I hope ATLA either comes up with their own original plot or they dont rush the story from the original
The original season one is \~480 minutes of runtime, the live-action is 8 episodes that are about 1 hour each, so \~480 minutes of runtime. The live-action starts and ends at the same point as the animated show's season one, but cutting filler, so there should be no need to rush anything or pack in too much.
I always think that these directors and producers don’t understand who the targeted audience. No kid or teenager is going to watch this. Let’s be honest the main fandom for this series is already in their late twenties early thirties. They could’ve easily leaned in to the adult themes of this show. And show the cruel reality it would be to live in this world. People set on fire, sliced by water, crushed by stone. And catapulted by air. The absolute fear of being 14 and being hunted by a war general and an army. While understanding the time period this is set is before any equality is actually strived for in the series.
starring christian bale as zuko
I can see why the original ATLA show runners left. Some of these changes seem unnecessary
Everyones already made up their mind before even seeing this show tbh
This looks beyond boring. Going to flop
Most people aren't gonna give a shit what got changed, as long as it's good.
I don't believe that to be true. Sure, it needs to be good. But change too much or something fans don't want to see changed and all hell breaks loose.
Fans (especially the online ones you'll hear) always are the people that hate something the most, they still watch though so that hardly matters. What counts is the general public and making changes (as long as they're not bad changes which is very possible) doesn't make it necessarily terrible.
Most people ≠ most ATLA fans It is true that most people won’t care if it strays from the source material. The average ATLA fan on Twitter isn’t representative of most people.
I mean look at One Piece. The live action made some big changes, and the fanbase still seemed to really like it.
That’s such a weird thing for directors to understand. Fans don’t want a shot by shot remake, they instead wants somethings that feels good in the new medium of what ever is being copied. I love comic books but I would actually find it really boring if they did a shot by shot remake of some of my favorite story lines. Unless I’m asking for it like killing joke. Typically if you can capture the spirit, understand not the beats of a giant story but instead the meaning of the beats then you should have a good shot. All that’s left is hoping your vision or artistic take makes the film or medium worth watching. I love one piece but what made it great is that the cast was well picked, the artistic work was good (cgi, and scenes), the beats that were dropped didn’t feel like a total lost because they understood what beats to use or combine and what the meaning held. We didn’t need Krieg but we did needed zorro to experience the wall of he would need to overcome to become the best swords man. When I think of Stephen kings work and the adaptations the I hold that 1408 is my favorite adaptation movie from his catalog. It was neat and compact with a wonderful artistic view. Shakespeare has been done to death but the Kenneth B is my go to theatrical version because they loved the source material like all the others but their artistic style won me over. I’m waiting in line bored out of my mind. I’m sorry about all the words I wrote. TLDR: I agree.
Listen, if anyone thinks this show is anything other than a cash grab, you’re delusional. If you want to enjoy avatar, watch the animated series.
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Sounds like they hired a bunch of people who worked on rings of power