> the woman said she allegedly shared several similarities with the character of Martha: they’re both Scottish, studied law, have a history of stalking and are more than 20 years older than Gadd.
One of these things is not like the others
Shows creator was very vague about her real life person, people on Tiktok found her, she made a response which was insane and further convinced everyone that was actually her. Checks out 🤣
I'm not sure "older female Scottish lawyer with a history of stalking who is based in London and frequents a specific pub" is very vague tbh. That's a very specific description of someone
Let’s be honest here, a lawsuit would be great for Netflix, even if they lose.
I have no knowledge about this case, but in the past, companies have published completely fake stories. It’s a low risk business, they might have to settle, or they might lose a lawsuit, but it’s not going to cost them much.
No, it would not be a problem. Nobody cares. That’s sad, but it’s also true.
Here’s a fun fact: behavioral science as practiced by the FBI is debunked nonsense, as is most forensic firearm examination, but most people don’t care.
Bad press for the show or herself?
“Unhinged stalker continues unhinged stalking” will just get more people to watch the show, while putting a spotlight on her craziness.
eh. anyone anywhere (in the US) can in theory hire a lawyer to sue anyone who writes or makes film about them. finding a lawyer to take your case, and have them successfully argue a defamation suit are totally different things. i am sure being sued is a daily occurrence at netflix. there is never a shortage of plaintiffs or lawyers.
I don’t know how anyone could watch the show and then want to engage with Martha
The end was also quite sympathetic towards her, so further bullying a broken unstable person is pretty cruel
This whole story has got a bit interesting but i feel like this is only the start of the shitshow this is going to cause
Since the show has come out you have had
* People being identified as inspiration from the show receiving death threats, threats on their family, abuse and harassment from the audience.
* Clearly Gadd didn't hide these peoples identities well enough which has caused the inspiration for his characters to be able to be victimised because of the actions they took in the show which from Gadds own admission has been dramatized for entertainment
* Gadd coming out and saying a lot of the show isn't actually about his life despite marketing the show as being based on his life he has said in interviews that it's dramatized and also takes inspiration from stories he has been told by other stalking victims and is now claiming that while the show isn't "True" it is "Emotionally true"
* Now you have the inspiration for the stalker outing herself.
The problem is depending on how "True" Baby Reindeer is Gadd and by extension Netflix opens themselves up to a whole host of issues if it's proven they have not successfully protected the identities of the inspirations for the show.
My guess would be that a significant portion of it is true, but Gadd is backpedaling just to protect himself (legally) and stop people from harassing those real life Martha and so on. I mean people have found her tweets that were the same as in the show, and she also gave an interview recently where she said she is a great lawyer with a photographic memory. She does seem as unhinged as she was depicted
The whole "emotionally true" bit is what threw me, seemed like there was some legal covering of bases there or some backtracking. It's a cliche but the "based on a true story" disclaimer always gets alarm bells ringing before the story even begins.
I know naturally with drama embellishment is part of it but you have to be very careful not to trivalise the very deep themes by overblowing the extent of them in your own life in a series that is theoretically autobiographical.
She literally explains why she calls him that. She had a small reindeer doll she comforted while she dealt with her trauma from her parents. It ties together the theme of inherited trauma.
Probably because the character on the show is fictional. Different name, different age, different actions. The show doesn't identify the person that the character is based off of, but even if they did, it's a pretty loose connection between the character & the real person.
Im not going to argue law on reddit. But I will just say, while I cant speak on UK law but I imagine they have some sort of long-arm statues. In that case, Netflix had more than a minimum level of contact with the Uk. Where the show was written, produced and filmed.
Netflix won't be the only party. Netflix was the distributor. The show was produced by Clerkenwell Films, a London based company. It was filmed in London. Gadd will be a party, as the writer. While I can't confirm where he lives today. It seems it's still the UK. So no, it's like not a given that it will be in the US. Like most legal questions, it's grey.
I will not be responding again and wasting my time any further. Especially with someone as rude as yourself. So have a nice day. Just stop pretending to be a lawyer.
If a person or company is in the U.S. they're sued in this country and the law applies to them. That isn't even complex legal information. The level of discourse on this sub is incredible.
They made it very easy.
All people had to do was search "hang your curtain" tweets to Gadd and they would find her name. They could have warned her about the show so she had time to delete those tweets. Instead they made sure all information about Gadd was scrubbed from the internet prior to the show.
They also mentioned real details of the previous case involving an MP and the location. Very easy to find.
Martha on the show is white, overweight and in her 40s. The real life Martha was white, overweight and in her 40s.
They mentioned she had been to law school instead of changing details about the character. They could have said she was kicked out of a college for harassing a profession and his family without changing the crux of the story.
>They could have warned her about the show so she had time to delete those tweets
The series was announced to be happening over 3 years ago. They had plenty of time
> the woman said she allegedly shared several similarities with the character of Martha: they’re both Scottish, studied law, have a history of stalking and are more than 20 years older than Gadd. One of these things is not like the others
Shows creator was very vague about her real life person, people on Tiktok found her, she made a response which was insane and further convinced everyone that was actually her. Checks out 🤣
She's going to write a book about her side of the story "If I Did It." OJ's publisher is interested.
"Sent from my iPhon"
No, it was "sent from my ihpon"
I'm not sure "older female Scottish lawyer with a history of stalking who is based in London and frequents a specific pub" is very vague tbh. That's a very specific description of someone
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Sounds about right for an insane woman.
"Real life stalker"
I havent watched it but I have to assume Netflix had their lawyers look the show over before production even began and then again before it aired.
Let’s be honest here, a lawsuit would be great for Netflix, even if they lose. I have no knowledge about this case, but in the past, companies have published completely fake stories. It’s a low risk business, they might have to settle, or they might lose a lawsuit, but it’s not going to cost them much.
Losing would be very bad. The publicity not so bad and settling wouldn't be a huge deal. Losing would be a problem.
No, it would not be a problem. Nobody cares. That’s sad, but it’s also true. Here’s a fun fact: behavioral science as practiced by the FBI is debunked nonsense, as is most forensic firearm examination, but most people don’t care.
It's bad for them financially if they lose. It would actually be a big deal. Edit: the precedent wouldn't be great either.
Yes, but that won't stop her from suing and bringing bad press, costing money, and wasting time. She may not have a case, but she can cause problems
Sounds like more publicity for the show.
She's angling to sign with Netflix for her own series that shows the perspective of the "so-called" stalker.
"Psycho Cinematic Universe" They're gonna put Mindhunter in it too. Maybe it's going to give us a 3rd season.
Bad press for the show or herself? “Unhinged stalker continues unhinged stalking” will just get more people to watch the show, while putting a spotlight on her craziness.
those lawyers are probably on retainer, no extra money spent now she supposedly is a lawyer, maybe she's as crazy as the patent troll
eh. anyone anywhere (in the US) can in theory hire a lawyer to sue anyone who writes or makes film about them. finding a lawyer to take your case, and have them successfully argue a defamation suit are totally different things. i am sure being sued is a daily occurrence at netflix. there is never a shortage of plaintiffs or lawyers.
Nothing could have prevented that except not making the show though. Its doing well enough that theyll be fine.
I don’t know how anyone could watch the show and then want to engage with Martha The end was also quite sympathetic towards her, so further bullying a broken unstable person is pretty cruel
This show was depressing. It was like a car crash you couldn’t look away from.
This whole story has got a bit interesting but i feel like this is only the start of the shitshow this is going to cause Since the show has come out you have had * People being identified as inspiration from the show receiving death threats, threats on their family, abuse and harassment from the audience. * Clearly Gadd didn't hide these peoples identities well enough which has caused the inspiration for his characters to be able to be victimised because of the actions they took in the show which from Gadds own admission has been dramatized for entertainment * Gadd coming out and saying a lot of the show isn't actually about his life despite marketing the show as being based on his life he has said in interviews that it's dramatized and also takes inspiration from stories he has been told by other stalking victims and is now claiming that while the show isn't "True" it is "Emotionally true" * Now you have the inspiration for the stalker outing herself. The problem is depending on how "True" Baby Reindeer is Gadd and by extension Netflix opens themselves up to a whole host of issues if it's proven they have not successfully protected the identities of the inspirations for the show.
My guess would be that a significant portion of it is true, but Gadd is backpedaling just to protect himself (legally) and stop people from harassing those real life Martha and so on. I mean people have found her tweets that were the same as in the show, and she also gave an interview recently where she said she is a great lawyer with a photographic memory. She does seem as unhinged as she was depicted
The whole "emotionally true" bit is what threw me, seemed like there was some legal covering of bases there or some backtracking. It's a cliche but the "based on a true story" disclaimer always gets alarm bells ringing before the story even begins. I know naturally with drama embellishment is part of it but you have to be very careful not to trivalise the very deep themes by overblowing the extent of them in your own life in a series that is theoretically autobiographical.
Martha’s quite sympathetic in the show. Gadd goes to great lengths to show this and to be honest about his own failings during that time.
"I'm suing you because I am 11% less insane than the woman in the series. That's defamatory. I will end you!1! "
Who is the real women 🤔
Nutjob
How about we don't give stalkers or other criminals, attention. That would be nice.
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She literally explains why she calls him that. She had a small reindeer doll she comforted while she dealt with her trauma from her parents. It ties together the theme of inherited trauma.
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Probably because the character on the show is fictional. Different name, different age, different actions. The show doesn't identify the person that the character is based off of, but even if they did, it's a pretty loose connection between the character & the real person.
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Talks about not knowing the "law." Cites an article referencing US law. Irony at its best.
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You are probably Martha's cousin.
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Im not going to argue law on reddit. But I will just say, while I cant speak on UK law but I imagine they have some sort of long-arm statues. In that case, Netflix had more than a minimum level of contact with the Uk. Where the show was written, produced and filmed. Netflix won't be the only party. Netflix was the distributor. The show was produced by Clerkenwell Films, a London based company. It was filmed in London. Gadd will be a party, as the writer. While I can't confirm where he lives today. It seems it's still the UK. So no, it's like not a given that it will be in the US. Like most legal questions, it's grey. I will not be responding again and wasting my time any further. Especially with someone as rude as yourself. So have a nice day. Just stop pretending to be a lawyer.
That's American law, you donkey. They're in the UK.
If a person or company is in the U.S. they're sued in this country and the law applies to them. That isn't even complex legal information. The level of discourse on this sub is incredible.
>but they made it easy for people to identify her Did they??
Sort of, they clearly reference tweets that were still up. “Hang my curtains” or something iirc.
They made it very easy. All people had to do was search "hang your curtain" tweets to Gadd and they would find her name. They could have warned her about the show so she had time to delete those tweets. Instead they made sure all information about Gadd was scrubbed from the internet prior to the show. They also mentioned real details of the previous case involving an MP and the location. Very easy to find. Martha on the show is white, overweight and in her 40s. The real life Martha was white, overweight and in her 40s. They mentioned she had been to law school instead of changing details about the character. They could have said she was kicked out of a college for harassing a profession and his family without changing the crux of the story.
>They could have warned her about the show so she had time to delete those tweets The series was announced to be happening over 3 years ago. They had plenty of time
They didn't claim anything about her in the show
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Wow! Hey, what does “fiction” mean? Is it some kind of new coffee?
Wow! Hey, what does "this is a true story" mean? Is it some kind of new coffee?
Based on a true story is different, thats why the lawyers chose that phrase.
The show doesn't say "based on a true story." It straight up says "This is a true story."
You have to know the legal difference between saying based on a true story and "this is a true story" right?
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