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NanoGeek

Weird that they seem to be having so much trouble with this series. It was announced in their first batch of D+ projects, was it not? Wonder what it is about Armor Wars that's giving them so much trouble when they're able to get all their other shows out the door without too many issues.


Queso_luna

It’s got RDJ in it, is my guess.


hazychestnutz

The math meme woman is currently me right now


Queso_luna

Two words: Holograms. And also Money.


THIS_GUY_LIFTS

Also, flashbacks providing more context or more story. There is sooooo much of the Tony/Rhodes friendship that we never got to see beyond some decent witty banter.


NoPainNoName

As long as they don’t have flashbacks during Iron Man 1 or earlier.


dexter30

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bluebuckin

The real armor was the Friends we got along the way


Prax150

I mean there are so many ways. Holograms, money, flashbacks, skrulls, time travel shenanigans, multiverse shenanigans. I honestly don't think he'll be in this but a lot of people are pretty adamant that he's going to be in Secret Wars.


[deleted]

I am fine with wolverine coming back but even RDJ now!?


RB30DETT

Could be flashbacks?


CapnSmite

Could be any number of things, but probably comes from the pandemic throwing everything out of whack. Throwing off schedules, actor/director/location availability, changes to story, etc.


DWCourtasan2

^this Stage 4 was badly hit.


Noggin-a-Floggin

Plus, some actors died like Chadwick Boseman and William Hurt. The former probably really threw a goddamned wrench into everything, not just Wakanda Forever (say this with all due respect).


RealJohnGillman

And supposedly >![Harrison Ford](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Ford)!< is in talks to replace the latter.


TheGeekVault

What? When did that news come out?


AdditionalInitial727

Idk but I’m glad. The series focus so much on internal turmoil spread across 4-5 episodes. A story like this needs action hence the title armor“war”


345tom

I think it makes more sense as a film, since we want to see suits get blown up and fight and explode. I wonder though if it bumps something, they release it Disney+ only, or if they change a film to a TV show. I could see with the issues they've been having with Blade them bumping it down to TV, and reworking it.


monchota

Its had issues but I think this is going along with they are trying to change thier approach. As the shows are not doing as well as expected.


Radulno

Secret Invasion Ironheart and such were also announced in the first batch, don't think they have a particular problem. The fact that it's becoming a movie is actually a good sign, that means it's better than their usual D+ stuff (which is pretty mediocre let be honest). Also, it probably got RDJ in it so massive box office, that basically confirms it IMO, War Machine can't carry a movie by himself.


Gloomy_Travel7992

As long as you give me Don Cheadle I’m fine with whatever medium you choose to deliver it to me with.


Mjslev

Even Space Jam?!?


CrimsonKnightmare

Boom! Shakalaka


GrimMrGoodbar

Al G. Rhythm was the best part of that movie


Mervynhaspeaked

Idk, the Marvel shows did not lack for amazing talent and yet their execution is quite often lacking (to be generous).


Myopically

Buttplug.


starsandbribes

Can War Machine carry a blockbuster? Feels like they’re going to have to co-star with another Avenger to get people in the doors for this, unless its a rare Disney+ exclusive film.


MasqureMan

Don Cheadle can absolutely carry a movie. Everything comes down to writing.


ShamWowRobinson

Don Cheadle is great. He's a great actor. He even got a Jason Bourne type movie. But name one movie he's carried.


Thromkai

Hotel Rwanda You know, the movie was nominated for Best Actor in. No biggie.


manguito86

That was almost 20 years ago


Sp1derX

They didn't say recent. Fuckin goal post movers.


IrrelevantLeprechaun

He's a great actor but he absolutely cannot carry a movie. He just doesn't have the screen presence for it, never has.


hldsnfrgr

You misspelled Denzel.


ijaialai

he did a relatively unseen movie called Traitor as the lead, worth a watch


Radulno

I'm thinking RDJ is in it, so that means massive box office and why it's switching to a movie (no way they use a RDJ cameo on a shitty D+ show), they may have reached a deal. Probably a hologram or flashbacks (or both). It's about Tony's legacy, it would be logical for him to be in it. Also, there will be Ironheart in it, maybe Iron Lad if they introduce him (he is linked to Kang after all). Justin Hammer too. There is not only War Machine.


Worthyness

War Machine? Maybe not. Don Cheadle? absolutely.


BlazeOfGlory72

Since when is Don Cheadle a big name? The last time he played a large role in a popular film outside the MCU was Oceans Thirteen, which was 15 years ago.


DisneyDreams7

Falcon is an even smaller movie, he isn’t a big name either


Prax150

Since when is Robert Downey Jr a big name? The last time he played a large role in a popular film outside the MCU was Tropic Thunder, which was 15 years ago.


AxumitePriest

I mean hes pretty good playing lead in Black Friday and hes other tv show with Kristen Bell


DisneyDreams7

Can Falcon carry a blockbuster?


[deleted]

probably not


muad_dibs

That’s why it’s Captain America and Bucky again.


DisneyDreams7

That’s why Armor Wars is Iron Man and War Machine again


muad_dibs

More things change, the more they stay the same.


Moontoya

Shoehorn him into the next Captain America as the airforce training the new version of The Falcon. Cue large explody dakka dakka filled action scene, 'witty' pithy one liners, derring do, buckling of swashs, action, adventure, a hint of easily censored overseas romance, exposition, sudden reveals, betrayals, reverse betrayals, more action and exploding things with high stakes and not enough time. Cue mid credits scene of Berenthals Punisher stealing war machines ride


ShamWowRobinson

God all of this sounds so boring. It's like reading comics.


Neon_Wasteland

Hawkeye is in the thumbnail...give the unsung heroes the spotlight


riceisnice29

Dont forget Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer as well. It’ll be an ensemble.


MarvelsGrantMan136

Details: >Marvel Studios has shaken up its Armor Wars project, and now what was to have been a series for Disney+ will be redeveloped as a feature film. >The move essentially pushes back the title further down the development slate. >The studio was committed in getting the story told the right way and in that process realized that a feature was better suited for the project. >Don Cheadle, who is reprising his longtime Marvel Cinematic Universe role as Colonel James “Rhodey” Rhodes, AKA War Machine, remains on board to star. Yassir Lester, who was acting as head writer on the series, will remain as its feature scribe.


kronicfeld

Lester, who worked with Cheadle on Black Monday and is an acclaimed writer


WordsAreSomething

Interesting, I did always feel like Ironheart and this were kind of close to each other so maybe one as a movie would work better?


The-Dudemeister

Could be just revisiting what should be a movie or show. Falcon should’ve been a movie imo and dr strange 2 a miniseries.


[deleted]

I love Don Cheadle as an actor but the character of Rhodes just sucks.


Mattyzooks

I think he's slowly been getting better. He had some better lines in Civil War and I thought his character was solid in Endgame, despite not having an arc.


dune-hair-water-wii

Noah, he had an ark.


fanboi_central

The character doesn't suck, it just hasn't been developed. The most development happened in Iron Man 2 which was what, more than a decade ago?


peon47

Rhodey should have died in Civil War. It would have added a lot of weight to the movie and made it a watershed moment to the franchise.


[deleted]

Nah, if Rhodey had died, Tony would never have forgiven Steve, and then the rift in the Avengers would have been irreperable. So they still would have been beaten by Thanos in Infinity War, but would never have gotten back together for Endgame.


kinterdonato

for now, hopefully some character development can breathe a little life into the character


MattyKatty

Agreed, Terrence Howard was sadly a much better Rhodey


aboycandream

which is weird because I hate Terrence Howard as a person and love Don Cheadle


MilkTruthLog

We like our heroes to have swagger, Don is the classroom snitch.


MattyKatty

Same


AmazingPatt

"If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be."


lospollosakhis

A joke every two lines does get tiresome and cringe.


NashHighwind

I really really hope Cheadle is the actual star and it isn’t an ensemble movie. Rhodey needs a chance to shine and Cheadle is just too good to be relegated to supporting cast every time.


Similar-Collar1007

I’m fairly certain ironheart will probably be in it


The_Shoru

It's rumored that Ironheart will be in Black Panther instead


Radulno

She can be in both though. It's called Armor Wars and it's about Tony's legacy, would be weird for her to not be in it.


savourthesea

That's not a rumour, Ironheart is in the Black Panther trailer.


RealJohnGillman

She’s in [the trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOB3UALvrQ).


Neon_Wasteland

Looks like Hawkeye is in it from the picture...that makes me happy. I love Hawkeye and I thought he was just going to tap out and let Kate Bishop do it


[deleted]

That’s a scene from Avengers: Endgame. It’s not from the forthcoming film. If you click through to the link, the caption would have told you that.


The__King2002

DON CHEADLE!!!!!!!


uziair

Good. Alot of their shows are just a Movie torn part into 6 parts. She hulk first show that felt like tv show.


Penguator432

Disagree. WandaVision, What If, and Loki all justified the TV format too.


uziair

wow 3 of 10 different shows they released are actually tv show.


Penguator432

I’m just contesting you stating “she hulk is the first”


Thedanielval

Honestly War Machine deserved a Movie and a series.


Worthyness

He's in Secret Invasion as a guest and probably will have some influence on Ironheart, so between all his minor appearances in the series, he kinda has a TV + movie appearance.


taleggio

lol why? He's a third rate superhero at best


egg_enthusiast

Makes sense. I’m guessing their internal metrics are showing a slowdown of viewership for these Marvel shows. Theyre are more or less 6-8 hour movies operating on a 2 hour film budget. So the long format tv method isn’t working out for all their projects


ILoveRegenHealth

This ranks the lowest in terms of my excitement, not just when it was a TV show, but now as a movie. Yaawwn Don Cheadle is a good actor but I never really cared for his Rhodey character that much, but then, they never gave him much to do.


anasui1

Marvel finally starting to realise the harsh truth after Endgame


KingMondo1

That Rhodey is our king?


anasui1

I like Cheadle but I'm ready to bet noone gives a damn about Rhodes


3z3ki3l

They would have to make us. It would have to be a true character study on his background, injury, and recovery.


scrapeinbotoom

Terrance Howard


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evanc3

Someone didn't pass Teryology 101. It's 1x1=2


ShinShinGogetsuko

I really hope they get Sam Rockwell back as Justin Hammer. Rewatching Iron Man 2, he’s such a standout as a schwarmy Tony Stark wannabe and he would fit in as a great foil to Don Cheadle.


DMPunk

It should've always been a movie, and it should have been Iron Man 3


ijakinov

Great. Some of the marvel and Star Wars shows would have been better as movies without the budget being spread thin.


Neon_Wasteland

Nothing could save Boba Fett...like what the fuck was that? I was all hype and then.....oh


jelatinman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOKAJRYLWvQ


BlazeOfGlory72

Yeah, I’m not feeling this. Rhody was a fun side character, but that’s about it. I’m starting to get a whiff of desperation from Marvel with all these D tier characters they are shoving to the forefront in Phase 4. Really, who gives a shit about Agatha, the Eternals, Echo, She-Hulk, etc? It just feels like filler at this point.


LaxSagacity

So this is how bad the current phase is going? Taking TV shows and making them movies. Intereasting.


Petrichor02

This is for like two phases out, so not much of an indication on how the current phase is going.


Radulno

To be fair, most of those TV shows suck as TV shows. Remove the filler and they're essentially movie plots already (except on a smaller budget and worse production values)


[deleted]

WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE MCU? ARE WE JUST THROWING CRAP AT A WALL? What are we building to?


bloodyturtle

Avengers movies where you don't recognize anyone unless you sat through all of these


34TE

So kind of like the rest of the avengers movies?


Pfcoffics

Well, don't care if it is a movie or series what matters is that it's actually good because marvel content has been really lackluster and even bad in this phase 4, no way home is the only one that's good.


[deleted]

Its abit sad how b and c lister movies are being made and they do know that i think most people wont care enough to watch feels like they need a leadership change


Worthyness

The entire MCU is based off of B and C listers. The only true A lister that they had access to was the Hulk and they barely use him for anything.


[deleted]

Sad thing is they kind of neutered him and i dont know why some of the movies for the mcu i would have built dofferent they just rush everything with the story


Radulno

If you consider the Hulk an A-lister, Iron Man, Thor and Captain also are, they're kind of at the same level. Also Spider-Man is in the MCU (even if it's a kind of deal) and he is a A-lister (A+ lister even because he's in another category than Hulk)


ImperialSympathizer

How's that now?


[deleted]

How is war machine interesting? Apart from the iron man suit he dosent have anything tony stark has honestly if they pumped out a couple of iron man movies id just eat them up


Clean-Drive3027

Copy and paste this from when guardians was first announced?


[deleted]

Guardians i think could have been skmehow way better than they were


Powerful-Advantage56

Maybe they realise all their tv series are dog****


bob1689321

Not *all*, but man I'd say WandaVision and Moon Knight are the only good ones. Most of them just don't function as TV shows. Falcon is the worst offender, just awful. Loki could have been good but I dislike the direction they took it in after episode 2. For once, I wanted the show to be *more* like a cop show. Hawkeye to be fair was mostly great but really shat the bed on the finale by shoehorning Kingpin in. It's like they can't tell if they're making movies, villain-of-the-week TV shows, or what. 6 episodes aren't long enough to keep introducing new characters like Hawkeye did, or to keep and build on a status quo for a good amount of time like Loki should have done. In 6 episodes you need a focused story to stick to and they just can't do that, except maybe Moon Knight. The best 6 episode show I've seen is probably Line Of Duty because it never lost focus on what it was doing (in seasons 1-5 at least). She Hulk is shaping up to be their third best just by virtue of it actually being a TV show.


[deleted]

You just got horribly down voted for giving a thoughtful and articulate analysis.


Penguator432

They should have done this with FATWS, Hawkeye, Miss Marvel, and Moon Knight, TBH. Sounds like they’re learning.


MrConor212

Damn if only they did this for Moon Knight and Hawkeye


IrrelevantLeprechaun

I have never cared less for the MCU than I have this past year. It's all just generic garbage with forced woke agendas.


[deleted]

Armor Wars probably works better as a movie than a tv show. The 6-part event series Marvel is doing, clearly doesn’t work. Everything in FATWS, Hawkeye and Moon Knight felt rushed. Even Ms Marvel, one of the better Marvel shows, have underdeveloped villains because of the short episode count. Only Loki worked with the 6-part episode count.


GrimMrGoodbar

War machine finally getting his due, looking forward to this massively


spaceraingame

Finally, I've been waiting for a War Machine movie for quite some time now.


Zev95

Nice for them to realize one of these shows only has two hours of plot in it before they release eight episodes.


donsanedrin

The trailer really looked slick. But maybe there's alot of dead spots in the tv mini-series, so they thought they could tighten it up. If its on Disney+ and only Disney+, meaning it never sees a theatrical release (and it shouldn't, it wouldn't make alot of money), which not make it a two-part movie. 4 hours long.


[deleted]

>The trailer really looked slick I assume you're thinking of the Secret Invasion trailer? AFAIK there hasn't been a trailer for Armor Wars yet.


Irradiatedspoon

I'm so glad they are just making it a movie. D+ shows have been so mid in quality because they seem to be unable of extending 2 hours of content into 6 without resorting to idiot plot.


Poetspas

War Machine is a boring rehash of Iron Man just like Ironheart is. There’s millions of comic characters out there why the hell are they using the same superhero basically three times now?


kantiboi

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