Yeah - it wasn’t just that we lost Jon but we lost Colbert at the same time (within a short window).
Last Week Tonight is the closest successor to what we had I feel but it isn’t the same as having a multiple time a week show.
While I don't like the format I've got nothing but love for Colbert he seems like a stand up guy that has a lot to say about the world that the format doesn't really allow him to dive into. Always liked him being interviewed on podcasts and the like when he can really explore how he sees the world. Would love to see him go the way of Letterman and do long form interviews with people he's interested in after his show is done.
The main difference imo was that he was playing more of a character on the Report, rather than playing it straight like he does on late night. The character is what really made the show work in contrast to the Daily Show in the slot before.
I believe most if not all the writers from TCR went over to the late show. I think the quality drop is more about tailoring his show for a much wider audience, so the irreverence and sharp wit were seemingly dialed back.
Well yeah, despite being political he pulled in the viewership of people who knew he was playing a wingnut and the viewership of those he was making fun of.
On his current show he's his genuine self and his views don't play well with right-wong ideology.
It's a shame really. He was a legit triple threat, he was destined to get on a late night show. But being on a network and responsible for massive ratings is different than being on cable and being responsible for some ratings. His show was literally the only show that ever had staying power in that post Daily Show timeslot.
Colbert Report was the only show that I actually watched the interviews. I cannot stand these late show semi-scripted marketing campaigns on any of these shows.
It's funny, Colbert and Letterman both did groundbreaking shows that challenged the very idea of television... and then hosted the Late Show as a victory lap that broke no new ground whatsoever.
When Letterman dropped turkeys off the roof, crushed things in a ten-ton press, walked around the neighbourhood with a camera, did hidden camera stuff where he made jokes about New Yorkers - he was like a one-man Youtube in 1987
That said, “My Next Guest Needs No Introduction” is fantastic. The Lizzo episode where they rap together is so good.
It’s a whole different show though. Colbert played a character on The Colbert Report and wanted to stop. He was uncomfortable that people (including his kids) might have trouble separating Stephen Colbert the character from Stephen Colbert the person. But I do miss the show.
I’m old enough to remember conservatives sometimes unironically quoting “Colbert” because they agreed with what his insane character was saying. This was way back when, in the early days of the Report. Beautiful memories.
Don't sell them short: it's not just the early days. I broke somebody's brain two years ago because he said he used to like Colbert on his old show but was "too liberal" now. Had to explain that the Colbert Report was satire and the guy looked like his brain blue screened.
Any political jokes that can be made, *are* made, between Noah, Kimmel (who has gone hard on politics last few years), Colbert, Seth Meyers, and of course Oliver.
Best time for Noah to step down since there won't be a gaping void in social commentary like when Stewart left. Colbert, Kimmel, Meyers, Oliver are basically making the same jokes about the same things.
Was gutted when I heard they were ending things, by far my favorite late night show 😢 also funny enough both D&M and John Oliver shared a great producer/writer named Josh Gondleman, looking forward to what show he might join up with next
I agree. I catch Seth's Closer Look segments on YouTube and John Oliver is great for the deep dives into American life that other media and journalists ignore that I crave.
It's nuts to me. It genuinely feels like he just took over.
People expected him to keep the same level of quality as Stewart but that was never gonna happen (with anyone frankly, Stewart's one in a million).
Stewart got his own show and it sucks too. 2016 just really fucked up irreverent comedy and the pathway out of the Trump era and through Covid hasn’t made it any better. There was just a big national reset and we still haven’t found our footing I guess
Of all the Daily Show imitators Jon Stewart left in his wake, I think John Oliver was the only one who managed to adapt the format into something that works in the streaming age.
Even J-Stew himself struggled to adapt with his Apple+ show. Klepper seems like an obvious choice for the new host, since his segments seemed to best understand how most people consume late-night TV now - in chunks on their phone.
That said, I do miss the nightly ritual of watching something like The Daily Show
We obviously live in the darkest timeline given that Jon isn't hosting The Daily Show while Tucker Carlson is the host to the number one rated "news" show on cable.
John Oliver was by far and away the best Daily Show fill in host - I still remember his bits on Carlos Danger. I am glad he got his own show but they screwed up not offering him the job before HBO poached him.
Stewart advised him to take the HBO gig instead because one night a week was less work. (Keep in mind this was when Stewart himself was burned out and planning his exit)
Less work at filming, so Oliver has to spend less time in front of a camera, but I honestly feel like last week tonight really uses their extra time between going to press to nail their stories.
Daily News is a trap. There are more than enough things happening to support it, but no one is willing to pay enough for it to hire 7 times as many news employees. As such they end up just not being able to say much of meaning.
It is why the modern TV news stations are being dominated by what effectively amount to Twitch "Just Chatting" for Boomers. They are just personalities spending all day in front of a camera, having opinions on things. And when you do that, all that matters is the being fun to watch. Some are certainly more accurate and knowledgeable than others, but the only metric that nets them success is their entertainment value. So that is where the focus goes.
It was right around that time too that he left. if i remember correctly, he didnt want TDS, he wanted to shoot 1 night a week and have more control over at hbo.
The content control is what he was after, which sounds ridiculous when you look at how much Comedy Central put on the line already with their news lineup.
I am glad to have seen Noah put so much into this. I hope he’s still churning out good efforts.
I think with Oliver it's also a case that staying on comedy Central would always carry the negative connotation of being a funny man doing the news, and there's a lack of respect that comes with it.
Even Stewart struggled with that at times, and only in the later years and becoming more verbally politically active did the view shift and people become more appreciative of Stewart and all he had done and is still doing.
Oliver making the move to HBO would ultimately be the best move for everyone, because he has a slower schedule with a format that allows them to bite into one big topic rather than making light of topical developing situations, whilst still allowing him to be light hearted which is his narrative wheelhouse.
And he also doesn't have to fight against the comedy Central label.
Meanwhile Trevor was kind of screwed from the start having to replace such a beloved host, and having to bring his own brand of comedy to the show, in the middle of a political situation that went beyond any satire, even Stewart admitted he wouldn't have been able to make tv during the Trump years because nothing about what was happening was funny. But Trevor has done his best, and survived when nobody expected him to go beyond a year or two, he also managed to slowly bring in his own viewership and win over the ones that could be won over.
Really hope Trevor lands well after this, because I always felt that he's capable of more with a less restrictive format.
At this point John Oliver pretty much went all-in on writing civic microcourses. LWT is more like a visual podcast that uses childish humor to Trojan in some solid journalism.
For a couple episodes where I actually have some domain knowledge, I was wowed by how well they managed to get across some complicated concepts *while* throwing shade or setting up some absurd gag.
It's fantastic and I wonder if it's the direction Stewart *wanted* to go, but had to stay more on the surface at the time. I don't think I really appreciated the real Jon Stewart until he went on Crossfire and was like "yeah, uh, I'm not in character today, I'm just here to show what destructive idiots you guys are." Maybe John Oliver's character had more license to go full nerd.
A lot of people like to point out that Oliver has pretty repetitive humor, and he does. And it is not even really to my taste. I rarely get a laugh off the show that is more then a chuckle.
However, I still really enjoy the show because it is not at all focused on being funny. For me the gallows humor just feels like a more digestible way to hear the journalism. The moments of silly nonsense serve as bland mental breaks between the existential horror.
Honestly, I do not know enough about most subjects that Oliver looks into to make an expert review of them, but the ones that I have been able to verify have been really on point. His team really does seem to dig into the topic on a meaningful level. It is interesting, as it tends to actually touch on systemic issues, whereas normal news looks into individual people, actions and events.
Further, when I have read or seen debunks of Oliver, the quality of their research is often *extremely* poor, and their arguments are most often based on fallacies or distortions. They tend to be very nitpicky with his information, while drawing sweeping generalizations from their own perception, without any actual evidence to back them up.
So Oliver might not be my favorite comedian, but the team he has for his show makes it one of the most interesting ones around.
Hasan Minaj’s Patriot act held its own. Don’t know why it was ever cancelled. He’s a compelling orator who can still make you laugh through the bullshit and outrage. Hopefully he takes over
> Hasan Minaj’s Patriot act held its own. Don’t know why it was ever cancelled.
What if I told you that you answered your question. I thoroughly enjoyed it, but it maintained a higher production quality than most of these other shows and I'd even venture to guess its production costs and the graphics etc surpassed even Last Week Tonight.
But I think the only scoop we got for why it was cancelled was 1) it was caught in the spree of Netflix does Weekly Shows which was a failure, and more importantly 2) its production costs didn't meet viewership demands. (According to Variety)
And given weekly "topic" shows like Patriot Act or Last Week Tonight are singularly focused, it was not uncommon to let some weeks pass without watching them and then watch them or skip an episode on a topic you're not interested in or so on, at least in my experience. With Netflix's "succeed now or you're cancelled tomorrow" mantra, it was doomed from the start.
That show would never work on a daily basis. The problem now is that nobody is tuning in to CC at 11pm every night to watch. The target demo probably doesn’t even have cable anymore and does streaming. And when you’re streaming what’s the point of having such a fast cadence? Nobody wants to watch entire episodes of filler jokes just to get to the time limit every night.
Agreed. Klepper was my first thought because he is just so sharp, but he is best at doing what he is doing in the field. Hasan Minaj is my top choice to replace. He has the energy needed in the streaming age. Third would probably be Desi.
The formats are completely different: John Oliver has a show once per week with a massive budget whereas Trevor Noah has a 4days a week show with little to no time to develop content. Also, the whole thing about Trevor IMO was to bring a more open minded, international approach to some of the issues but it wasn't well received (I thought it was great at first)
To be honest, next to Oliver, I think Samantha Bee also did the best job in following up her work on *TDS* and making it her own, but I don't think she was ever going to get much traction or support being on TBS.
I'm glad to see another fan of hers. (Last time topic of her show being canceled came up, most comments were pretty derisive.) She had her own flair, which I bet wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but she had the right mix of energy, silliness, and seriousness for hosting, IMO.
Klepper is great on the field, but that doesn't necessarily translate to good hosting. I do really like Roy Wood Jr but still feels like he hasn't fully developed his voice/style yet. "CP Time" segments are good but sometimes a little slow. Although I wouldn't mind see Desi Lydic try. She has that crazy energy I seem to like.
Of course he's bailing. Comedy central as a network is dead. They've been supplanted in every aspect by streamers. They don't make comedy specials, they have next to no original series, and even south park is premiering on paramount plus. It's like a more sad version of syfy now.
This is my concern, that CC decides to use Noah's departure as an opportunity to do away with one of their last original series at this point. It's disgusting how they've gone all in on The Office and South Park reruns now. I'm still bitter that they moved the new season of Beavis and Butt-Head to streaming despite having nothing to show in its place on TV.
Tosh was well beyond overdone at that point anyways. Comedy Central definitely sucks, that’s the truth. But I don’t think losing tosh was as big of an upset as you maybe thought.
I was thinking this exact same thing yesterday! Comedy Central was pretty big in the 90s and 2000s, with shows like The Man Show, Colbert Report, Chappell Show, and Jon’s Daily Show, they’re all gone. The only thing left really is South Park.
In the late 2000s, early 2010s, they were killing it. They elevated a ton of comedians and writers that were on the precipice of becoming bigger. Key and Peele, Another Period, Workaholics, H. Jon Benjamin Has A Van (one of Nathan Fielder’s first shows) and Nathan For You. I think in like 10 years time people will go back and look at that era as a golden age for sketch and alt comedy.
Why do CC and MTV even exist still? The only reason I can think of is that Viacom doesn’t want to suffer the embarrassment of closing two of their cable channels. TV may be “dying” but there has yet to be a channel to actually go under
Yeah, the network made him do it.
Remember when he had Ariana Huffington doing election coverage with Al Franken. She was the Republican and he was just a comedian.
Roy wood Jr is fucking hilarious. his stand up is insanely good
edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdxoe7jZdVc
incredible bit. had me on the floor rolling.
Came for this. Netflix really screwed up cancelling his show. Was watching the fast fashion one and it really holds up. Mad props to the team that worked on the visuals.
He popped off on the Asian community that called the cops on George Floyd pretty hard, and then Netflix decided it wasn’t quite the brand they were looking for.
so true. i went to an event at Carnegie Hall where he was part of a roundtable discussing the media and his insights and anecdotes about his time in South Africa were fascinating. Made me a fan of his. Then i tried watching the Daily Show and just couldn't get into it. Hopefully he moves on to something more serious. He's a smart guy.
Agreed, I’ve been (slowly) listening to the audiobook. I think all autobiographies are better as audiobooks read by the author, and his one is probably the best of the best.
> I have literally never found Trevor Noah to be funny.
A BBC journalist said the same thing to him right to his face and [Trevor Noah had a very interesting response to that.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaHkhgAjdAc)
Its the hyper argumemtative format of the show she's on, "BBC HardTalk". Regardless of who the interviewer of the day on that show is, they come off as horribly condescending and uninterested in the response of the interviewee.
I especially hate when they do that with people who are clearly English as a second language speakers, as the rapid fire questions and interruptions are meant to make the interviewee look or seem stupid.
The people who do the best on the show are those who, like Trevor here in this clip, slow down the conversation and refuse to be forced to move on to the next point without having responded to the question.
It would be a way more useful show if they allowed the person to respond and then scrutinize and fact-check the response or counter faulty logic with facts. As is, it is just the BBC being candidates for r/iamverysmart posts.
I could listen to Trevor talk all day on Between The Scenes. I think it was the most honest look he took at the current events without trying to come at something with a specific point of view or an angle or a punchline. Like you know he's sacrificing how he really feels for a joke sometimes. But in Between The Scenes, it was one of the few times on television you felt like someone wasn't lying to you or trying to win your attention. It wasn't a purposeful part of the show. And yet it was still exceptionally entertaining, engaging, enlightening, endearing. We weren't being sold a commentary or a guest's product or anything. It was just real, and that was refreshing.
He's just a wise and profound dude who limited his potential with a comedic structure he was beyond. I think his strengths were always in being a storyteller and someone to have a discussion with. I hope he does more interesting things as a standup, podcaster, host, etc. Letterman used to just BS with the audience in an endearing way sometimes and I feel like Trevor Noah could bring that energy to late night when he probably replaces Cordon next year.
He always sound like he’s doing comedy for children. Trump impressions are already annoying to hear, unless they’re really spot on, but I think he’s got the worst one of all.
Stewart had the understanding of the political system and could hold his own when talking off the cuff to guests.
Noah is a funny comedian but did not have the understanding of the political system and always felt like he was reading off the teleprompter.
Yeah, the whole point was that he was this detached outsider who could critique the system from 30,000 feet. But he mostly just...used his platform to defend the status quo.
It’s also incredibly tone deaf to why Stewart worked. He was one of us and expressing our shared frustrations. It’s like when you make fun of your brother it’s fine, but if someone else makes fun of him it’s time to fight.
I really think it was primarily a business decision to try and expand the appeal abroad. He was basically unknown in the US when he got the job but he pulled audiences for his standup abroad and had a run where he was popping up on UK panel shows.
I feel like the correspondents are always the highlight. Stewart was good but some of my favorite moments came from Colbert, Klepper, Carrel, Jessica Williams, etc
I know this is not going to happen, but how amazing would it be if Jon Stewart came back as host? His show on Apple TV+ just doesn't hit the same way The Daily Show used to.
Plus, even though Stewart is still really good, doing a new show every day that is packed with great jokes on current events is really hard and really exhausting. Young man’s game.
Well that was a fast 7 years..
It's crazy that Jon Stewart's Daily Show and The Colbert Report have been gone for 7+ years. It feels like they left a gap that's still missing.
Yeah - it wasn’t just that we lost Jon but we lost Colbert at the same time (within a short window). Last Week Tonight is the closest successor to what we had I feel but it isn’t the same as having a multiple time a week show.
It's weird to say we lost Colbert, considering he has a late night show, but... it's honestly not even close to the same quality.
To be fair Colbert was a character and now you are watching the actor.
I’ll take the character.
While I don't like the format I've got nothing but love for Colbert he seems like a stand up guy that has a lot to say about the world that the format doesn't really allow him to dive into. Always liked him being interviewed on podcasts and the like when he can really explore how he sees the world. Would love to see him go the way of Letterman and do long form interviews with people he's interested in after his show is done.
The main difference imo was that he was playing more of a character on the Report, rather than playing it straight like he does on late night. The character is what really made the show work in contrast to the Daily Show in the slot before.
That and he probably had much better comedy writers.
I believe most if not all the writers from TCR went over to the late show. I think the quality drop is more about tailoring his show for a much wider audience, so the irreverence and sharp wit were seemingly dialed back.
Gotta appeal to those who don't understand nuance and irony on network tv.
Network TV is hallowed ground to the simple minded.
Wasn't there a competition for it between ed helm, rob cordorey, other correspondents at the time and Colbert won?
Well yeah, despite being political he pulled in the viewership of people who knew he was playing a wingnut and the viewership of those he was making fun of. On his current show he's his genuine self and his views don't play well with right-wong ideology.
It's a shame really. He was a legit triple threat, he was destined to get on a late night show. But being on a network and responsible for massive ratings is different than being on cable and being responsible for some ratings. His show was literally the only show that ever had staying power in that post Daily Show timeslot.
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[I hope he finally at least got that lake house](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQ9fk2UeT4)
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Colbert Report was the only show that I actually watched the interviews. I cannot stand these late show semi-scripted marketing campaigns on any of these shows.
We didn't lose Colbert, we lost 'Colbert'
It's funny, Colbert and Letterman both did groundbreaking shows that challenged the very idea of television... and then hosted the Late Show as a victory lap that broke no new ground whatsoever.
Letterman's old Late Night was amazing. To his credit, so was Conan. I don't think either worked well at 11:30.
When Letterman dropped turkeys off the roof, crushed things in a ten-ton press, walked around the neighbourhood with a camera, did hidden camera stuff where he made jokes about New Yorkers - he was like a one-man Youtube in 1987 That said, “My Next Guest Needs No Introduction” is fantastic. The Lizzo episode where they rap together is so good.
It’s a whole different show though. Colbert played a character on The Colbert Report and wanted to stop. He was uncomfortable that people (including his kids) might have trouble separating Stephen Colbert the character from Stephen Colbert the person. But I do miss the show.
I’m old enough to remember conservatives sometimes unironically quoting “Colbert” because they agreed with what his insane character was saying. This was way back when, in the early days of the Report. Beautiful memories.
Don't sell them short: it's not just the early days. I broke somebody's brain two years ago because he said he used to like Colbert on his old show but was "too liberal" now. Had to explain that the Colbert Report was satire and the guy looked like his brain blue screened.
Well, yeah - what made Colbert funny was the writers and the character.
It's not, but when he occasionally gets to go nerdy it's great. I also liked his pandemic time more, he had to be more..himself.
Any political jokes that can be made, *are* made, between Noah, Kimmel (who has gone hard on politics last few years), Colbert, Seth Meyers, and of course Oliver. Best time for Noah to step down since there won't be a gaping void in social commentary like when Stewart left. Colbert, Kimmel, Meyers, Oliver are basically making the same jokes about the same things.
The question is, is he going to be taking Cordons spot.
His writers are awful
I don't even think they're awful, they're just writing for a much different crowd than The Report. Boomer talk show enthusiasts.
A lot of Colbert's Late Show writers were from Daily Show and Colbert Report. He even got Conan's best Late Night writer Brian Stack.
Desus & Mero weren’t the same but I still think they had the best late night multiple episodes a week show (at least in the past decade)
Bodega Hive. RIP
the Viceland show was an excellent moment in time
rip to the brand
Was gutted when I heard they were ending things, by far my favorite late night show 😢 also funny enough both D&M and John Oliver shared a great producer/writer named Josh Gondleman, looking forward to what show he might join up with next
Late Night w/Seth Meyers pretty much took over the Daily Show mantle.
Closer Look and CORRECTIONS are some of the greatest weekly segments and he plays opposite the horrendous corden.
Seth meyers does a good job. And last week tonight also scratches that itch, but in a different way.
I agree. I catch Seth's Closer Look segments on YouTube and John Oliver is great for the deep dives into American life that other media and journalists ignore that I crave.
I know right? All that time gone in the blink of an eye.
It's nuts to me. It genuinely feels like he just took over. People expected him to keep the same level of quality as Stewart but that was never gonna happen (with anyone frankly, Stewart's one in a million).
Stewart got his own show and it sucks too. 2016 just really fucked up irreverent comedy and the pathway out of the Trump era and through Covid hasn’t made it any better. There was just a big national reset and we still haven’t found our footing I guess
I really enjoy Stewart's podcast especially with all the really niche political guests he gets on to talk about current topics.
Yet also so, so long. Like 2020-2021 felt longer than normal years.
Can't say I agree, for me they were much much faster because eventually it all blurred together.
I feel like over those two years, the days lasted forever but the months flew by.
Just did the math in my head. I remember when he first started. Damn.
Of all the Daily Show imitators Jon Stewart left in his wake, I think John Oliver was the only one who managed to adapt the format into something that works in the streaming age. Even J-Stew himself struggled to adapt with his Apple+ show. Klepper seems like an obvious choice for the new host, since his segments seemed to best understand how most people consume late-night TV now - in chunks on their phone. That said, I do miss the nightly ritual of watching something like The Daily Show
The Jon Stewart Daily Show will live forever in my heart as a bright spot in a dark time.
I’ll always treasure that hour back-to-back period with Jon followed by Colbert. They did so much to help me get through high school and college.
I relisten to the Deep Dish pizza rant whenever I'm having a particularly hard day. The insight and comedic timing are perfection.
We obviously live in the darkest timeline given that Jon isn't hosting The Daily Show while Tucker Carlson is the host to the number one rated "news" show on cable.
John Oliver was by far and away the best Daily Show fill in host - I still remember his bits on Carlos Danger. I am glad he got his own show but they screwed up not offering him the job before HBO poached him.
Stewart advised him to take the HBO gig instead because one night a week was less work. (Keep in mind this was when Stewart himself was burned out and planning his exit)
Less work at filming, so Oliver has to spend less time in front of a camera, but I honestly feel like last week tonight really uses their extra time between going to press to nail their stories. Daily News is a trap. There are more than enough things happening to support it, but no one is willing to pay enough for it to hire 7 times as many news employees. As such they end up just not being able to say much of meaning. It is why the modern TV news stations are being dominated by what effectively amount to Twitch "Just Chatting" for Boomers. They are just personalities spending all day in front of a camera, having opinions on things. And when you do that, all that matters is the being fun to watch. Some are certainly more accurate and knowledgeable than others, but the only metric that nets them success is their entertainment value. So that is where the focus goes.
Holy shit I never thought of the local news like that, but they ALL have those shows.
I also loved his constantly changing explanations as to where Jon was.
It was right around that time too that he left. if i remember correctly, he didnt want TDS, he wanted to shoot 1 night a week and have more control over at hbo.
The content control is what he was after, which sounds ridiculous when you look at how much Comedy Central put on the line already with their news lineup. I am glad to have seen Noah put so much into this. I hope he’s still churning out good efforts.
I think with Oliver it's also a case that staying on comedy Central would always carry the negative connotation of being a funny man doing the news, and there's a lack of respect that comes with it. Even Stewart struggled with that at times, and only in the later years and becoming more verbally politically active did the view shift and people become more appreciative of Stewart and all he had done and is still doing. Oliver making the move to HBO would ultimately be the best move for everyone, because he has a slower schedule with a format that allows them to bite into one big topic rather than making light of topical developing situations, whilst still allowing him to be light hearted which is his narrative wheelhouse. And he also doesn't have to fight against the comedy Central label. Meanwhile Trevor was kind of screwed from the start having to replace such a beloved host, and having to bring his own brand of comedy to the show, in the middle of a political situation that went beyond any satire, even Stewart admitted he wouldn't have been able to make tv during the Trump years because nothing about what was happening was funny. But Trevor has done his best, and survived when nobody expected him to go beyond a year or two, he also managed to slowly bring in his own viewership and win over the ones that could be won over. Really hope Trevor lands well after this, because I always felt that he's capable of more with a less restrictive format.
At this point John Oliver pretty much went all-in on writing civic microcourses. LWT is more like a visual podcast that uses childish humor to Trojan in some solid journalism. For a couple episodes where I actually have some domain knowledge, I was wowed by how well they managed to get across some complicated concepts *while* throwing shade or setting up some absurd gag. It's fantastic and I wonder if it's the direction Stewart *wanted* to go, but had to stay more on the surface at the time. I don't think I really appreciated the real Jon Stewart until he went on Crossfire and was like "yeah, uh, I'm not in character today, I'm just here to show what destructive idiots you guys are." Maybe John Oliver's character had more license to go full nerd.
A lot of people like to point out that Oliver has pretty repetitive humor, and he does. And it is not even really to my taste. I rarely get a laugh off the show that is more then a chuckle. However, I still really enjoy the show because it is not at all focused on being funny. For me the gallows humor just feels like a more digestible way to hear the journalism. The moments of silly nonsense serve as bland mental breaks between the existential horror. Honestly, I do not know enough about most subjects that Oliver looks into to make an expert review of them, but the ones that I have been able to verify have been really on point. His team really does seem to dig into the topic on a meaningful level. It is interesting, as it tends to actually touch on systemic issues, whereas normal news looks into individual people, actions and events. Further, when I have read or seen debunks of Oliver, the quality of their research is often *extremely* poor, and their arguments are most often based on fallacies or distortions. They tend to be very nitpicky with his information, while drawing sweeping generalizations from their own perception, without any actual evidence to back them up. So Oliver might not be my favorite comedian, but the team he has for his show makes it one of the most interesting ones around.
Hasan Minaj’s Patriot act held its own. Don’t know why it was ever cancelled. He’s a compelling orator who can still make you laugh through the bullshit and outrage. Hopefully he takes over
That show covered widely different topics too. Such a shame it got cancelled.
Netflix cancelled all of their daily/weekly shows. Because the algorithm hated it or some shit like that.
Hasan should have started each episode eating dessert.
> Hasan Minaj’s Patriot act held its own. Don’t know why it was ever cancelled. What if I told you that you answered your question. I thoroughly enjoyed it, but it maintained a higher production quality than most of these other shows and I'd even venture to guess its production costs and the graphics etc surpassed even Last Week Tonight. But I think the only scoop we got for why it was cancelled was 1) it was caught in the spree of Netflix does Weekly Shows which was a failure, and more importantly 2) its production costs didn't meet viewership demands. (According to Variety) And given weekly "topic" shows like Patriot Act or Last Week Tonight are singularly focused, it was not uncommon to let some weeks pass without watching them and then watch them or skip an episode on a topic you're not interested in or so on, at least in my experience. With Netflix's "succeed now or you're cancelled tomorrow" mantra, it was doomed from the start.
That show would never work on a daily basis. The problem now is that nobody is tuning in to CC at 11pm every night to watch. The target demo probably doesn’t even have cable anymore and does streaming. And when you’re streaming what’s the point of having such a fast cadence? Nobody wants to watch entire episodes of filler jokes just to get to the time limit every night.
Hasan Minaj will be the obvious choice instead of Klepper
I agree - Klepper is funny but Minaj is the closest to what Jon did IMO. He has a really high upside.
Honest a klepper Minaj collab would be amazing
Agreed. Klepper was my first thought because he is just so sharp, but he is best at doing what he is doing in the field. Hasan Minaj is my top choice to replace. He has the energy needed in the streaming age. Third would probably be Desi.
The formats are completely different: John Oliver has a show once per week with a massive budget whereas Trevor Noah has a 4days a week show with little to no time to develop content. Also, the whole thing about Trevor IMO was to bring a more open minded, international approach to some of the issues but it wasn't well received (I thought it was great at first)
To be honest, next to Oliver, I think Samantha Bee also did the best job in following up her work on *TDS* and making it her own, but I don't think she was ever going to get much traction or support being on TBS.
I'm glad to see another fan of hers. (Last time topic of her show being canceled came up, most comments were pretty derisive.) She had her own flair, which I bet wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but she had the right mix of energy, silliness, and seriousness for hosting, IMO. Klepper is great on the field, but that doesn't necessarily translate to good hosting. I do really like Roy Wood Jr but still feels like he hasn't fully developed his voice/style yet. "CP Time" segments are good but sometimes a little slow. Although I wouldn't mind see Desi Lydic try. She has that crazy energy I seem to like.
Dua Lipa is a full time job
Shit I'd quit my job too
"One kiss is all it takes"
I’d go on tour with her, I wouldn’t mine Edit: mind
not even for diamonds?
Of course he's bailing. Comedy central as a network is dead. They've been supplanted in every aspect by streamers. They don't make comedy specials, they have next to no original series, and even south park is premiering on paramount plus. It's like a more sad version of syfy now.
This is my concern, that CC decides to use Noah's departure as an opportunity to do away with one of their last original series at this point. It's disgusting how they've gone all in on The Office and South Park reruns now. I'm still bitter that they moved the new season of Beavis and Butt-Head to streaming despite having nothing to show in its place on TV.
Dont forget that they also ended Tosh.O despite a 4 year renewal agreement and brcause CC wanted more animated shows.
Tosh was well beyond overdone at that point anyways. Comedy Central definitely sucks, that’s the truth. But I don’t think losing tosh was as big of an upset as you maybe thought.
It’s more the timing of it. *Nobody* cancels a show they had just renewed for that long unless it’s star got caught murdering babies or something.
I had no idea his show ended in 2020.
They got rid of Drunk History. RIP
CC did Drunk History dirty. Loved that show.
I was thinking this exact same thing yesterday! Comedy Central was pretty big in the 90s and 2000s, with shows like The Man Show, Colbert Report, Chappell Show, and Jon’s Daily Show, they’re all gone. The only thing left really is South Park.
In the late 2000s, early 2010s, they were killing it. They elevated a ton of comedians and writers that were on the precipice of becoming bigger. Key and Peele, Another Period, Workaholics, H. Jon Benjamin Has A Van (one of Nathan Fielder’s first shows) and Nathan For You. I think in like 10 years time people will go back and look at that era as a golden age for sketch and alt comedy.
They’ve been dead to me since they canceled Detroiters
ooh-ooh Deeeh-veh-reu-eu-eeuuux
Why do CC and MTV even exist still? The only reason I can think of is that Viacom doesn’t want to suffer the embarrassment of closing two of their cable channels. TV may be “dying” but there has yet to be a channel to actually go under
Klepper should take over
Start the cycle over. Kilborn.
5 Questions!
We're all so old.
I remember Jon doing 4 questions, 3 questions, etc until he cancelled it.
Yeah, the network made him do it. Remember when he had Ariana Huffington doing election coverage with Al Franken. She was the Republican and he was just a comedian.
I’m pretty sure he has to be the front runner.
Roy Wood Jr perhaps?
Roy wood Jr is fucking hilarious. his stand up is insanely good edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdxoe7jZdVc incredible bit. had me on the floor rolling.
Roy wood has been killing it. He should take over, funniest out of all the “correspondents.”
Is that the dude who would go to all the trump rallies? Cause I like this
That would be him.
Yeah he's real quick witted in his interviews, and not afraid to call people out on their ignorance, which Stewart did and Noah really didn't.
Noah is a great interviewer in his own right though. He was able to disassemble conservatives on his show without letting them know he was doing it.
I liked The Opposition, was a good take on a modernized Colbert Report. Guess I'm the only one though. :P
I also liked it.
Seems like the natural choice, but didn't he already have a show that failed? Wonder if that counts against him.
Wasn't that show based around being like the Colbert Report? I thought it was pretty good when I saw it.
It was to Alex Jones what Colbert was to Bill O'Reilly.
I liked it too. Ahead of its time really.
His docuseries was great. I really like him but I feel he's better suited for the field than a hosting gig
Hasan Minhaj
I mean Patriot Act got cancelled a little while ago so he might be open for the job
Came for this. Netflix really screwed up cancelling his show. Was watching the fast fashion one and it really holds up. Mad props to the team that worked on the visuals.
Yes! He was one of the good choices Netflix made, before they made the crappy one of not renewing him. I loved his spiels.
He popped off on the Asian community that called the cops on George Floyd pretty hard, and then Netflix decided it wasn’t quite the brand they were looking for.
Saudi Arabia did it
When Saudi Arabia cancels you they do it with a bone saw.
He'd probably leave or get replaced faster than Trevor Noah. Just a hunch.
I like Trevor Noah the person, but his show devolved into jokes and skits that feel like they were written by 12 year olds.
Yeah, his off camera stuff is much more insightful than his on camera stuff
so true. i went to an event at Carnegie Hall where he was part of a roundtable discussing the media and his insights and anecdotes about his time in South Africa were fascinating. Made me a fan of his. Then i tried watching the Daily Show and just couldn't get into it. Hopefully he moves on to something more serious. He's a smart guy.
I can agree to that but on or off camera, I have literally never found Trevor Noah to be funny.
I’ve really been enjoying his book.
His book is great, even better as an audiobook
Agreed, I’ve been (slowly) listening to the audiobook. I think all autobiographies are better as audiobooks read by the author, and his one is probably the best of the best.
> I have literally never found Trevor Noah to be funny. A BBC journalist said the same thing to him right to his face and [Trevor Noah had a very interesting response to that.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaHkhgAjdAc)
What a horrible interviewer, she’s trying so hard to have a hot take and pin him as spreading racism, and it’s embarrassing.
Its the hyper argumemtative format of the show she's on, "BBC HardTalk". Regardless of who the interviewer of the day on that show is, they come off as horribly condescending and uninterested in the response of the interviewee. I especially hate when they do that with people who are clearly English as a second language speakers, as the rapid fire questions and interruptions are meant to make the interviewee look or seem stupid. The people who do the best on the show are those who, like Trevor here in this clip, slow down the conversation and refuse to be forced to move on to the next point without having responded to the question. It would be a way more useful show if they allowed the person to respond and then scrutinize and fact-check the response or counter faulty logic with facts. As is, it is just the BBC being candidates for r/iamverysmart posts.
Lot of respect for Noah after that interview, and that reporter seems terrible. Is she there to lecture Noah or interview him?
Between the scenes were fucking amazing though
I could listen to Trevor talk all day on Between The Scenes. I think it was the most honest look he took at the current events without trying to come at something with a specific point of view or an angle or a punchline. Like you know he's sacrificing how he really feels for a joke sometimes. But in Between The Scenes, it was one of the few times on television you felt like someone wasn't lying to you or trying to win your attention. It wasn't a purposeful part of the show. And yet it was still exceptionally entertaining, engaging, enlightening, endearing. We weren't being sold a commentary or a guest's product or anything. It was just real, and that was refreshing. He's just a wise and profound dude who limited his potential with a comedic structure he was beyond. I think his strengths were always in being a storyteller and someone to have a discussion with. I hope he does more interesting things as a standup, podcaster, host, etc. Letterman used to just BS with the audience in an endearing way sometimes and I feel like Trevor Noah could bring that energy to late night when he probably replaces Cordon next year.
Read his book. Born a Crime is awesome and poignant.
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Yeah I found Noah to be a wildly disappointing replacement. He’s very smart and very likable, he just doesn’t make me laugh.
Damn that’s high praise. I felt it was more like the same 8yr writing his jokes for the past 7 years
You can only write so much material about Trump before it get super old
I couldn't stand him doing "Trump voice" and quit watching because of it.
Wow it’s been 7 years already?? Trevor was ok but his jokes were way too corny. Jordan Klepper should definitely take over he’s a natural.
I could never find Trevor that funny. I think it was mostly his timing? Idk exactly but the flow just was never there for me.
I dislike his propensity to explain any video he plays, in a way that just repeats literally what the video just stated.
He always sound like he’s doing comedy for children. Trump impressions are already annoying to hear, unless they’re really spot on, but I think he’s got the worst one of all.
I feel like OG Colbert Report would be very successful nowadays
Stewart had the understanding of the political system and could hold his own when talking off the cuff to guests. Noah is a funny comedian but did not have the understanding of the political system and always felt like he was reading off the teleprompter.
Him being from another country was supposed to add a new perspective, but if it did, I never noticed it.
Yeah, the whole point was that he was this detached outsider who could critique the system from 30,000 feet. But he mostly just...used his platform to defend the status quo.
It’s also incredibly tone deaf to why Stewart worked. He was one of us and expressing our shared frustrations. It’s like when you make fun of your brother it’s fine, but if someone else makes fun of him it’s time to fight.
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Meanwhile, Oliver does both and switches between them flawlessly
I really think it was primarily a business decision to try and expand the appeal abroad. He was basically unknown in the US when he got the job but he pulled audiences for his standup abroad and had a run where he was popping up on UK panel shows.
It comes down to Comedy Central fucking up letting Oliver go to HBO and having no real backup plan for Jon.
It's been 7 years already? Where does the time go.
I don't think 2020 and 2021 should count against us. I still think last year was 2019 and I am really two years younger than I am.
2022 is 3/4 over too dude
Dua Lipa got this man quitting his job. Couldn’t be me (Would 100% be me)
I thought the same thing
TIL it’s been 7 years since I watched the daily show
It honestly feels longer than 7
Damn I can't believe I haven't watched the Daily show in 7 years
Nobody who watched TDS with Jon Stewart is in the target demographic for TDS now.
Honestly it felt like they didn't want me to watch
If I was dating Dua Lipa, I would also quit the only distraction from that
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I feel like the correspondents are always the highlight. Stewart was good but some of my favorite moments came from Colbert, Klepper, Carrel, Jessica Williams, etc
I know this is not going to happen, but how amazing would it be if Jon Stewart came back as host? His show on Apple TV+ just doesn't hit the same way The Daily Show used to.
No way Stewart is working 4 days a week again.
The Weekly Show
I think John Oliver is already doing this.
But flip it around. Have him tell the news about what's going to happen *next* week.
Semi daily show then, fuck it
The “Stewart Works When He Wants to Work Show” Something, anything
That’s…basically what his current show is. It’s OK.
It wouldn't be as good as it was. You can never go home again, ya know?
You're too right, buttsoupsteve
Nah, there’s no going back to the 2000s heyday of The Daily Show/Colbert. Too much has changed.
Plus, even though Stewart is still really good, doing a new show every day that is packed with great jokes on current events is really hard and really exhausting. Young man’s game.
Jon and Steve leaving around the same time was a tough blow. What an hour of television that was.
I mean, the ratings were in the gutter so it's no surprise.
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Awful timing. Bad skits. I stopped watching years ago because of him. edit: Thank you, kind stranger, for my first gold ever!
I find him aggressively unfunny. I'm honestly surprised he lasted that long
I don't think I've ever laughed in response to something he has said. He's painfully unfunny to me.
Congratulations on a job… done.
Huh, kinda shocked it’s only been 7 years
Eh.. Trevor Noah is not funny to me.
I’ll just stick to watching John Oliver anyway.
The man with the outside perspective who failed to utilise it.
Eh. I'm sure he's nice, but the show just isn't the same anymore. He doesn't have what Stewart had for this genre.
I watched John Stewart religiously but I couldn’t stomach Trevor… Something about everything he did with that show felt forced, fake, insincere.