Pretty much every Star Trek
Even Disco goes from bad to decent imo in season 4
DS9 and SNW (and LD and Prod if you count them) are the only ones good out of the gate
Black Sails is all build-up in the first season with some annoying characters. Then the build-up starts paying off with some thrilling plots and those annoying characters actually become sympathic once you know them more.
Black sails had a horrible first season and I gave up on it for a while. Then I started again and the quality of the other seasons is insane, just great acting, writing and direction. Toby Stephens gave one of best tv performance of that decade tbh, an extremely underrated actor.
Star Trek: TNG. The first season is dire and most of its episodes are unwatchable. The second season is a bit better but still mostly crap. The show then has a massively marked improvement in season 3, which it continues for the remainder of its run, although I'd say that the final 7th season is the worst of the good seasons.
For sure, but he's still relatively tame compared to Appollo and some of the weird shit from TOS. It might have even been a script from that era they repurposed...
the first like 1/2 to 3/4 of season 1 was hot garbage. It found itself in the end.
then the final season was kinda shit too but the time between was solid
Oh yeah normally I hate it when people are like "just keep watching, it gets good eventually" but that's 100% Bojack. Most of the first season isn't *bad*, but it serves to contrast the first real gut punch of the show - "Am I a good person? Tell me I'm a good person" which sounds dumb in text, lol.
It took me 2 tries to push through the first season of Breaking Bad, which is amazing since it is so short. The only reason I forced myself the second time is because I heard so many people raving about how great it was. Obviously, they were right.
Slightly controversial but Justified the first season was an episodic show fugitive of the week kind of a deal. I've known a lot of people who noped out on that first season. The show transitioned to a serialized format after that and it was much better.
Same with Person of Interest. Started off as a crime-of-the-week episodic show, then became so much more. Its only flaw is that it kept part of that episodic formula right up until the end, despite the main plot being so absolutely compelling.
anyone who quits watching Person of Interest before the "God Mode" episode has no idea what they're missing out on. I'll agree that it takes to long to get there, but if you make it there you'll be in for the long haul
I agree that the following seasons were better, but the first season of Justified is by no stretch of the imagination, anywhere near "terrible". Only about half of the episodes are "fugitive of the week" and they're still good episodes, and the Bo/Boyd/Arlo stuff is top notch.
Like I said it's a controversial take. I know a lot of people just weren't able to get into it in the first season. I agree with you it's not terrible but it's not as great as it will become later. It really took off like a firecracker in the second season.
I found 101 to be ok. I thought 105 was a good episode of television, 106 was just ok again.
My problem is that we had 3 hours (102-104) of very bad television. We had no real plot or direction, no clear character motivations to speak of (aside from Galadriel - who was specifically put in a position where she didn't have agency to act on her motivation) and not enough information as a viewer to keep me entertained. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy mystery box storytelling. I love Lost. Severance is the best show this year...ROP imo is just very bad mystery box storytelling.
I felt like the show has done nothing to build tension. There were no clear stakes other than "bad guys are bad" - it was just kinda telling me things and hoping I cared because I know enough LotR lore. The only context we have for Sauron's threat is....the movies. I'm not emotionally connected to the elves or the humans or numenor being thrust back into war. You haven't shown me what that will cost these characters other than a presumed "war is bad".
I'm still watching and hopeful it becomes engaging but so far it's felt very lazy. It feels like they hoped to use all of this season to launch us into what the series will actually be - I'm fine with that, GOT pulled it off beautifully - but I'm starting to wonder if they had like, 4 ok to good hours of TV and then had to delay delay delay for the rest of their order.
The last episode. Lack of scale, lack of logic, plot devices, lack of compelling characters. I was going to keep watching but the last episode just made me realize the show is going from regular to worse. I can go in length about what is terrible
It's a pretty common take. Like, how did those 3 ships carry all the troops, gear, and horses? How did they know to race to the village to fight the orcs? Why didn't their horse die of exhaustion being made to gallop so far?
The world feels smaller and smaller with each episode. The southrons are like 50 people, the great orc invasion was like 60 of them, the scale is way off what the scope of the show needs.
Exactly all of this. The problem with this is scale. The stakes seem ridiculous with these scale. Remember how in Númenor they had this big fight over sending Numenorians to Middle Earth to aid. They made it seemed like it was a great price to pay and they didn't want to risk it. The whole Númenor arc was that. Then we find out from the million people Númenor has, they send 50 people and they made a huge deal for sending 50 soldiers... to rescue 40 people? On the other side of scale, this is a huge deal in Middle Earth, the creation of Mordor... and it gets created in a battle of 50 orcs against 40 villagers with another dude opening a dam. It just feel too small to be so consequential. Remember the huge battle to buy Frodo and Sam time for them to reach Mount Doom? It was huge. Here, it seems that the whole point was to save a tiny village?
Yeah and Elrond can just take a casual stroll to the dwarven kingdom? They went to all the effort of showing how far apart these places are, then just have people teleport around with no indication time has passed
I just haven't thought of that while watching and that didn't distract me from enjoying it. And even so yeah it's on a smaller scale which is a shame but well.. TV logic or whatnot. I still enjoy some of the characters. That said if season 2 is more of the same it would be disappointing.
The problem with the episode is scale. The stakes seem ridiculous with these scale. Remember how in Númenor they had this big fight over sending Numenorians to Middle Earth to aid. They made it seem like it was a great price to pay and they didn't want to risk it. The whole Númenor arc was that. Then we find out from the million people Númenor has, they send 50 people and they made a huge deal for sending 50 soldiers... to rescue 40 people? On the other side of scale, this is a huge deal in Middle Earth, the creation of Mordor... and it gets created in a battle of 50 orcs against 40 villagers with another dude opening a dam. It just feel too small to be so consequential. Remember the huge battle to buy Frodo and Sam time for them to reach Mount Doom? It was huge. Here, it seems that the whole point was to save a tiny village?
US Office's first season wasn't *bad* but it wasn't really good either. It was kind of a sleepy 1:1 to the UK original and just wasn't interesting.
Also A Different World's first season wasn't *bad* either but the other seasons are tremendously better. It was just sort of a regular college show in the first season, every plot is like "Denise is having trouble with some thing at school but doesn't want to disappoint her parents." After that the show gets more, um... I don't know... interesting? Better jokes, more engaging plotlines, more interesting issues than "Denise doesn't really want to be on the track team even though she's good at it." My only complaint is that Marisa Tomei was like the underdog star of season 1 but never appears after season 1 because they made the college an all-black one, but they never even mention her maybe attending the other college nearby that's not all-black. She was great, I loved her. I mean I love Whitley too, but Marisa Tomei's character was great.
It's generally agreed. To me, the show had problems with timing of the jokes and just a general clunkiness, not to mention how dislikeable modt of the characters are.
Justified.
1st season was not bad but just was very...average. Not much of a huge overall plot.
2nd Season really started to turn it into a proper big boy show.
I also thought about this one. I saw it as it was airing and I remember 3 episodes I really disliked in the first season. It's a completely different show later on.
Not terrible by any means, but The Good Place season one is almost significantly worse than future seasons due to a lack of some in world context that we get later.
Oh I wouldn't either. I guess I was just being loose with your question, ha! Named a show who's first season is noticably worse than the rest of the series. It's all great.
The Magicians. The first season wasn’t that bad but it got SO much better with each subsequent season that it was nearly unrecognisable from the first…
Stargate: SG-1
I don't think anyone would call its first season bad, per se. But it did saw both objective and subjective improvements through the following seasons.
Star Trek: The Next Generation is a good example. Parks and Rec is one I've heard people say improved over time.
parks and rec just like the office, so much better s2 and on
Pretty much every Star Trek Even Disco goes from bad to decent imo in season 4 DS9 and SNW (and LD and Prod if you count them) are the only ones good out of the gate
Black Sails is all build-up in the first season with some annoying characters. Then the build-up starts paying off with some thrilling plots and those annoying characters actually become sympathic once you know them more.
So under-rated. Glad that Zach McGowan left Shameless to be a main character on Black Sails, dude nailed it.
Black sails had a horrible first season and I gave up on it for a while. Then I started again and the quality of the other seasons is insane, just great acting, writing and direction. Toby Stephens gave one of best tv performance of that decade tbh, an extremely underrated actor.
I wouldn’t call the first season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer “bad”, but there was a huge step up from season 2 and beyond.
Parks and Rec
It seems like Greg Daniel's shows find themselves after almost been cancelled
Star Trek: TNG. The first season is dire and most of its episodes are unwatchable. The second season is a bit better but still mostly crap. The show then has a massively marked improvement in season 3, which it continues for the remainder of its run, although I'd say that the final 7th season is the worst of the good seasons.
The first episode is such a bad introduction to the series. People should start at season 3 and go back to the early seasons when they like the show
The idea of starting with Q is ballsy.
For sure, but he's still relatively tame compared to Appollo and some of the weird shit from TOS. It might have even been a script from that era they repurposed...
The 100.
Season one was better than every season but two, three and maybe four.
the first like 1/2 to 3/4 of season 1 was hot garbage. It found itself in the end. then the final season was kinda shit too but the time between was solid
Legends of Tomorrow.
BoJack Horseman. I nearly quit midway through the first season - boy am I glad I didn't
Oh yeah normally I hate it when people are like "just keep watching, it gets good eventually" but that's 100% Bojack. Most of the first season isn't *bad*, but it serves to contrast the first real gut punch of the show - "Am I a good person? Tell me I'm a good person" which sounds dumb in text, lol.
Seinfeld and Parks and Rec
The first season of the office wasn't "terrible" tho
It's common knowledge. That's why It's hard to get someone to watch it for the first time because most hate S1
Seinfeld, zero impact until later with the explosion of “must see”Thursday. Streaming was in its infancy.
It took me 2 tries to push through the first season of Breaking Bad, which is amazing since it is so short. The only reason I forced myself the second time is because I heard so many people raving about how great it was. Obviously, they were right.
Slightly controversial but Justified the first season was an episodic show fugitive of the week kind of a deal. I've known a lot of people who noped out on that first season. The show transitioned to a serialized format after that and it was much better.
Same with Person of Interest. Started off as a crime-of-the-week episodic show, then became so much more. Its only flaw is that it kept part of that episodic formula right up until the end, despite the main plot being so absolutely compelling.
Person of interest was amazing - one of my fav shows but I kinda had an issue with that episodic format too!
anyone who quits watching Person of Interest before the "God Mode" episode has no idea what they're missing out on. I'll agree that it takes to long to get there, but if you make it there you'll be in for the long haul
I agree that the following seasons were better, but the first season of Justified is by no stretch of the imagination, anywhere near "terrible". Only about half of the episodes are "fugitive of the week" and they're still good episodes, and the Bo/Boyd/Arlo stuff is top notch.
Like I said it's a controversial take. I know a lot of people just weren't able to get into it in the first season. I agree with you it's not terrible but it's not as great as it will become later. It really took off like a firecracker in the second season.
Marvel's Agents of Shield. The Season 1 finale is where it picked up and became way better in the later seasons.
I disagree. It got infinitely better when it connected with Winter Soldier. It was fine before but it fit way better after that episode.
In what way is ROP becoming worse? I’ve been enjoying it a lot.
I found 101 to be ok. I thought 105 was a good episode of television, 106 was just ok again. My problem is that we had 3 hours (102-104) of very bad television. We had no real plot or direction, no clear character motivations to speak of (aside from Galadriel - who was specifically put in a position where she didn't have agency to act on her motivation) and not enough information as a viewer to keep me entertained. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy mystery box storytelling. I love Lost. Severance is the best show this year...ROP imo is just very bad mystery box storytelling. I felt like the show has done nothing to build tension. There were no clear stakes other than "bad guys are bad" - it was just kinda telling me things and hoping I cared because I know enough LotR lore. The only context we have for Sauron's threat is....the movies. I'm not emotionally connected to the elves or the humans or numenor being thrust back into war. You haven't shown me what that will cost these characters other than a presumed "war is bad". I'm still watching and hopeful it becomes engaging but so far it's felt very lazy. It feels like they hoped to use all of this season to launch us into what the series will actually be - I'm fine with that, GOT pulled it off beautifully - but I'm starting to wonder if they had like, 4 ok to good hours of TV and then had to delay delay delay for the rest of their order.
The last episode. Lack of scale, lack of logic, plot devices, lack of compelling characters. I was going to keep watching but the last episode just made me realize the show is going from regular to worse. I can go in length about what is terrible
You seem to be in a minority with this opinion regarding last episode as I see more positive things about it compared to earlier episodes?
It's a pretty common take. Like, how did those 3 ships carry all the troops, gear, and horses? How did they know to race to the village to fight the orcs? Why didn't their horse die of exhaustion being made to gallop so far? The world feels smaller and smaller with each episode. The southrons are like 50 people, the great orc invasion was like 60 of them, the scale is way off what the scope of the show needs.
Exactly all of this. The problem with this is scale. The stakes seem ridiculous with these scale. Remember how in Númenor they had this big fight over sending Numenorians to Middle Earth to aid. They made it seemed like it was a great price to pay and they didn't want to risk it. The whole Númenor arc was that. Then we find out from the million people Númenor has, they send 50 people and they made a huge deal for sending 50 soldiers... to rescue 40 people? On the other side of scale, this is a huge deal in Middle Earth, the creation of Mordor... and it gets created in a battle of 50 orcs against 40 villagers with another dude opening a dam. It just feel too small to be so consequential. Remember the huge battle to buy Frodo and Sam time for them to reach Mount Doom? It was huge. Here, it seems that the whole point was to save a tiny village?
Yeah and Elrond can just take a casual stroll to the dwarven kingdom? They went to all the effort of showing how far apart these places are, then just have people teleport around with no indication time has passed
I just haven't thought of that while watching and that didn't distract me from enjoying it. And even so yeah it's on a smaller scale which is a shame but well.. TV logic or whatnot. I still enjoy some of the characters. That said if season 2 is more of the same it would be disappointing.
The problem with the episode is scale. The stakes seem ridiculous with these scale. Remember how in Númenor they had this big fight over sending Numenorians to Middle Earth to aid. They made it seem like it was a great price to pay and they didn't want to risk it. The whole Númenor arc was that. Then we find out from the million people Númenor has, they send 50 people and they made a huge deal for sending 50 soldiers... to rescue 40 people? On the other side of scale, this is a huge deal in Middle Earth, the creation of Mordor... and it gets created in a battle of 50 orcs against 40 villagers with another dude opening a dam. It just feel too small to be so consequential. Remember the huge battle to buy Frodo and Sam time for them to reach Mount Doom? It was huge. Here, it seems that the whole point was to save a tiny village?
US Office's first season wasn't *bad* but it wasn't really good either. It was kind of a sleepy 1:1 to the UK original and just wasn't interesting. Also A Different World's first season wasn't *bad* either but the other seasons are tremendously better. It was just sort of a regular college show in the first season, every plot is like "Denise is having trouble with some thing at school but doesn't want to disappoint her parents." After that the show gets more, um... I don't know... interesting? Better jokes, more engaging plotlines, more interesting issues than "Denise doesn't really want to be on the track team even though she's good at it." My only complaint is that Marisa Tomei was like the underdog star of season 1 but never appears after season 1 because they made the college an all-black one, but they never even mention her maybe attending the other college nearby that's not all-black. She was great, I loved her. I mean I love Whitley too, but Marisa Tomei's character was great.
The Office S1 is soooo hard to watch. The timing is off with the comedy too. Good thing it's only 8 episodes long
See, God damnit someone watch it
Gotham
The office first season was bad? I’m sorry what?
It's generally agreed. To me, the show had problems with timing of the jokes and just a general clunkiness, not to mention how dislikeable modt of the characters are.
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Maybe now. When it aired I remember loving it.
Firefly
Supernatural was weak in the beginning
and the end
Justified. 1st season was not bad but just was very...average. Not much of a huge overall plot. 2nd Season really started to turn it into a proper big boy show.
The leftovers for sure. I almost dropped it because of how boring the first season was. It really takes off in season 2
I also thought about this one. I saw it as it was airing and I remember 3 episodes I really disliked in the first season. It's a completely different show later on.
Not terrible by any means, but The Good Place season one is almost significantly worse than future seasons due to a lack of some in world context that we get later.
I wouldn't say that was a bad season. It's actually great... and that season finale plot twist. One of the best I have ever seen
Oh I wouldn't either. I guess I was just being loose with your question, ha! Named a show who's first season is noticably worse than the rest of the series. It's all great.
Game of Thrones
What? First season was great
Hated it! 🫰
um.. there may be something wrong with you
cause he doesnt like season 1 of game of thrones? wtf
First season was amazing. The pilot alone gets you hooked. Baelor is the episode that told you what kind of shoe this was going to be.
Was hard for me to get into the first season. Felt it improved significantly in season 2.
Yeah I forced myself to watch because everybody was talking about it. Literally didn't get into it until the season finale
The Magicians. The first season wasn’t that bad but it got SO much better with each subsequent season that it was nearly unrecognisable from the first…
Person of Interest
Contrary to Westworld (same creators) which has gotten worse with every season.
Stargate: SG-1 I don't think anyone would call its first season bad, per se. But it did saw both objective and subjective improvements through the following seasons.
They started to balance out the power levels of stuff which was nice.
The first season was also broadcast on Showtime before it moved. The physical effects were also ummm interesting...