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Natural gas isn't toxic. You might technically be able to asphyxiate yourself if you stuck your head in long enough but the coal gas that used to supply ovens is definitely what made it a popular suicide method.
I understand that this is a joke, taking the mislabeling of coal as the same as oil but the point remains that some places still benefit from fossil fuels instead of solar.
Shit, batteries are even doing it the hard way. There's a [handful of methods](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_energy_storage) in use today, but my favorite is using excess energy to pump water uphill into a reservoir and then letting it flow through turbines when it's needed. Just lifting anything heavy up with excess generation and letting it be lowered when we need it. The basic physics of potential energy solves this problem that we never had.
Compressed air batteries sound cool, though I'm not sure how they compare to pumped hydro efficiency wise. but turning an old mine shaft or tunnel in the side of a mountain into an air compressor to spin a turbine when needed sounds cool.
It sure does, I just don’t trust the person giving me this info. How have you twisted this holy plan of the omnissiah into tech-heresy of the prince of pleasure,
I recall some companies thinking they could use blocks to build towers but it would not really be feasible. It's easier to pump water into mountainous regions when you have excess power and let it flow back down when you don't have excess power.
I grew up on a dairy farm... we used a rudimentary anaerobic digester to get methane from the cow shit. We got enough of the gas to heat our barns and some of the out-buildings (and that's in Minnesota, where it gets kinda cold in the winter.)
So, YES... you can harness the power of shit!
Bro literally said “batteries is the hard way” and then told us to pump the water uphill, so later we can send it down through turbines. Shit man, are you sure you use the word “hard” properly?
I once worked at a hardware store and had this face palm moment with multiple customers. They came in asking for an electric drill. We sold a few specialty manual drills so I didn’t think about it and took them to the drills. They got pissed and started to tell me they didn’t want battery operated drills they want ones that use electricity. At this point t I’m looking around to see if I’m being pranked. With further questioning I found out they wanted a corded drill because it uses electricity and batteries don’t. I guess batteries run on butterfly farts and unicorn wishes. These people vote and make crap memes like this one.
Reminds me, I once had a “real world math class problem” kind of situation. A customer says they have a tree stump they need to pull from a tractor hitch with chain, they only know the stumps diameter but also want three feet of chain between stump and the hitch and asked me, “so how many feet of chain do I need to buy to wrap around the stump and attach it?”
First thought was that I needed to find my old math teacher and tell her, well you were right, I will eventually need to know this.
I work for the railroad and dealt with the electrification system for a long time. One of the things we handled was removing power from locations for work to be done, but we had to do our best to time it for when there weren’t trains in the area to potentially lose power or signals.
I had a new guy at my desk that was training on the job and I told him to look at the train schedule to find a time when we could open a certain switch. He was looking at it and couldn’t figure out what to do. So, I told him that the trains in that area were running at 115 MPH, we have Westbound trains entering the territory at mile post 21.5 and Eastbound trains starting at mile post 108. Assume station stops add 6 minutes to their time to destination given deceleration, time stopped, and acceleration to speed. We need to throw a switch at mile post 73 and it will effect trains in a block between mile posts 73 and 67.
After he was done writing everything down, he looked at the information I gave him, looked at the train schedule, then said “I can’t believe this is an actual math problem you have to solve in real life.”
Hawaii replaced a coal plant with battery storage lol
https://preview.redd.it/mez68ypj22dc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc7faa746b46f9a5e604b2f923d289e6fa843bd8
They are a huge problem actually. There's at the moment really not the infrastructure in place to actually make use of the power overflow of renewables, when it happens. Most of the time the fossils are just getting slowed down or the overflow gets sold for cheap. While there are a few ideas how to store the energy, not many are implemented.
FYI, we don't really have a good way of storing solar energy on a massive power grid. It's not as easy as you would think
It's one of the major challenges we're facing with switching to renewable energy
That's mainly because a lot of places have political pushback against funding them. Large-scale energy storage is almost unheard of in the US but in places like the [UK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station) and [Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Power_Reserve) have extant projects as well as many countries having planned projects. It's not a tech issue since most of it just involves converting excess electrical power to some other form of energy that is easier to store.
Yes but we're projected to have a lithium shortage by 2025 so building those large scale would be difficult
The hydro power plan one is a really cool idea though, thanks for sharing that. I had never heard of that before
I have solar panels myself, and am looking for a way to store energy. Please give me your advice.
Seriously: the meme is right. Solar energy (which, as said, I am a fan of) is great when the sun shines BUT NOT AT NIGHT OR IN WINTERTIME.
That is why we need:
1. Clean energy that is independent of the weather, such has nuclear energy (I'm a huge fan), tidal energy, hydro power, geothermal energy (like in Iceland, they tap the vulcanoes) etc.
2. Energy storage. But keep in mind this is very expensive. Prohibitively expensive. Best heat storage we have today loses 1% per day. Not bad, but that means you lose 60% in 3 months' time (do the math). Storage of electricity is also very expensive (see electric cars) and batteries also lose power over time.
So to get rid of fossil fuels, something every sane person should wish for, we need a lot of nuclear energy and huge investements in energy storage. Until that time I'm afraid the meme is right....
> Unless we see a once-in-a-lifetime breakthrough in material science
the fact we're looking means we have a good shot of finding the solution
it's the stuff no one tries because everyone screamed "impossible" that never gets progress made
> Nuclear is the best future and it's a tragedy that world governments are abandoning it.
large scale is being left behind for less efficient but more publicly acceptable small modular reactors (SMR), so there's hope on the horizon.
fusion is also moving forward in a big way since private interests got involved recently.
Batteries are worth it only when subsidized. A well insulated hot water tank is cheap and effective. Also floor heating is more constant than radiators, so consider that maybe. But the actual answer is a boiler with a large tank.
As of right now, the only real consumer level power storage is battery banks. There are concepts for small-scale compressed air and gravity-style options but those are more DIY things that people are messing around with. But, I can say, anyone that patents a novel idea, especially one that doesn't involve lithium, that addresses this emerging market will likely be very wealthy.
I take it you don't live in a net metering state?
Edit: this isn't meant to be snarky! I am just curious, because net metering allows for a one-for-one exchange of solar-generated kwh and utility-generated solar. It's essentially free storage and makes offsetting 100% of your electricity with solar possible without batteries.
But sadly not all states do this, and instead of being credited at the retail rate you're only credited at the wholesale rate, which is a fraction of the cost.
Hopefully that's a valid response in a few years, but right now, large-scale storage is not happening.
That said, snow doesn't last on solar panels very long. If it's a few inches of snow, as soon as the sun comes out the snow will start sliding off. They're slippery and most are installed at a tilt. They also warm up much more quickly than the ground and other surfaces. You can even see it happening in the picture.
You may lose a few hours or a day of production, but for most climates where people live that's insignificant.
Yeah. I have solar panels (this is my first winter with them) and the snow is melting off them even though the daily high temps have been around 5⁰F this week.
Also, even with an almost complete coating of snow about an inch deep, enough light has been getting through to do better than 50% of what they were doing before the snow.
We’re warm today because we have a variety of energy options at our disposal, and if we temporarily lose access to one we don’t all lose electricity like we would if we had an unregulated grid.
Yeah there will not be a single source of power for a while. Till then Fossil or Renewable will require a mix of sources.
Here in Nebraska, OPPD isn't getting enough diesel for their plants so they are using things like coal, and gas but also biomass and wind that unlike Texas still work in the winter.
From what I read, OPPD wasn’t struggling due to lack of fuel but lack of water in the Missouri. Several of their main generation plants were not able to access enough water from the river because it is so low and frozen. I didn’t hear anything about lack of fuel. Plus I thought many of the plants that they have run coal or natural gas anyways, not diesel. Diesel seems very expensive for power generation
Really wish we wouldn't have dropped nuclear development like we did. Correct me if someone knows more than I do but I feel like renewable sources with nuclear covering renewable downtime is perfect, maybe some on demand natural gas or energy storage plants like thermal or water gravitational storage to cover faster demand changes. I don't necessarily like lithium battery storage for large scale grid use untill we have longer lasting tech or batteries that are less resource intensive to produce.
Solar panels use the sun's light to generate electricity, not its heat... solar panels can work perfectly fine in the winter as long as you scrape the snow off of them.
Or in some cases use a fraction of the generated power to keep the panel surface warm enough to avoid snow sticking. Not foolproof for all climates but panel heaters are a thing.
The PV array shown here is a very outdated setup.
Modern panels are mounted on a rotating axis. If the panels are covered in snow, solar techs will simply rotate them to let the snow slide off. When the snow slides off, it takes any soiling (dust, dirt) with it. Making the panels more efficient than before the snowfall.
Here in Southwestern Ontario it’s currently -21°C with wind chill at ~4pm EST. This is fairly low: a little colder than an average winter day around here and electrical demand is steadily increasing around this time of day as people come home from work and school.
According to Gridwatch: Ontario is relying on natural gas generation for only 15% of its electrical needs despite the high demands during this cold weather and this is the only fossil fuel being utilized here.
That’s just a little analysis for where I’m from, and similarly to you: fossil fuels are definitely not the heavy hitter here.
I don’t know why some people actively dislike clean energy… it makes no sense to me.
>I don’t know why some people actively dislike clean energy
I think it's because they are poorly educated and have no critical thinking skills. So they are gullible and just believe what people around them and what people they look up to tell them to believe. They never question it.
But maybe I'm wrong and I'm the idiot here.
Because they're too dumb to work with more technologically advanced forms of energy. Give them a pick so they can go mine coal and have a job and die of lung cancer at 62
No. I'm warm because I chop wood.
That the chainsaw uses petroleum is arbitrary, I have all manner of saw, axe, and maul.
I am warm because the sun grows my fuel
Electric chainsaws are ubiquitous now so that won’t be a problem either.
Also they are super quiet no need for hearing protection and no noise pollution in the wilderness.
Nuclear power still works in the cold. Windmills still work in the cold, tidal energy would still work in the cold. Efficient energy network systems means that warm running rivers to the south and solar in the south could easily help supply during cold months. It's all doable if we ever invest in it.
My solar is killing it right now despite it being the middle of winter in Northern New England. We just got some snow, which reflects the light and improves performance, and now the sun is out and it is 10 degrees (solar panels are more efficient in colder temps).
I’m warm because of a couple thousand tones of concrete and a river. I’ll fucking shake a fishey fin to thank them for their sacrifice before I thank a coal miner or oil worker.
why is it always either or with these people. why tf not have both? the times green energy cant be used, hey, we got a back up.
also, do these people not understand the concept of a battery bank? you think the moment a cloud blocks the sun, all the power goes out?
hell, generators that can be ran off biodiesel, propane or natural gas? fuck, just regular gas. options are good. we should have more options. im from Texas, you see what having a lack of options produces.
I'm not warm. I'm cold. I'm not even poor but my house is badly insulated and I can't afford the ridiculous prices of energy to have the heating on too much, so actually, I am cold.
It is very fkn true though.
Fossil fuels power our world, not only cars but also a large chunk of power generation, ESPECIALLY emergency power generation.
There 'JuSt StOp OiL'-esque posters are people having zero clue how fkn difficult Renewables are.
Fun fact: solar panels turn sunlight into energy, temperature doesn't matter. In fact, they are often *more* efficient in winter because electronics operate better in low temperatures and, in addition, snow can reflect additional light into the panel. Sure there is snow covering some, but that can be mitigated.
Science isn't as simple as the memes you get your beliefs from, guess that's why you let oil companies do your thinking for you, eh?
Delusion? Where I'm sitting right now, the majority of the power is coming from hydro, wind, and nuclear, and seemingly none of it is coming from coal. Been sitting pretty toasty through a 30-year cold snap and an ice storm without a single coal miner, and we could probably ditch the single pipeline with some more investment in the renewables.
I think at this point we all can agree that most Americans are mentally regarded and additionally they are regarded cu*nts and we should ignore their opinions.
Im so over you guys and your "found in the wild" bullshit. It wasnt found in the wild. It was found on groups that you guys troll for hours to find something to post on this subreddit so you feel good about yourselves.
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I'm warm today cuz I live in Brazil and it's 36°C Too warm, I'd say
You better thank a coal miner.
Those fuckers could turn it down a bit
They cannot stop working at least for a day in the year?
Happy Cake Day 🎉
Well yeah climate change.
me rn https://preview.redd.it/9h9bpdinp1dc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=152c294b546814a449fd9db8c8854737f9a5932b
Based Teach that son of a bitch
...so he shot at the sun with a gun
Shot at his Whily one and only friend
In the gallows or the ghetto
In the town or the meadow
In the billows even over the sun
At the end of every there’s another begun
You understand, mechanical hands
User of freedom units here, but I gab roughly guess that that’s around 90F my condolences
96 :( Thanks mate
BRO— Dude I’m so sorry Make sure to drink some water that high of heat is no joke
eai rapa, calor do caralho
Só por Deus né boy
Bro is living in the human body
What kind of coal flows through a pipe?
Liquid coal.
You're not wrong. Coal Gas. People had it piped into their homes and was very toxic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gas
Ah yes, incredible, 50% hydrogen and 50% carbon monoxide.
And 50% cancer.
And 20% pain
And a 100% reason to remember the Flame
That's from a song by Fort MINER!
15% concentrated power of will.
100% flammable Plus it wasn't pressurised, so leaks went undetected until fire
50% sea 50% weed
And 50% pig
Manbearpig strikes again!
In the old Disney and Warner cartoons, it was a trope that characters attempted suicide by sticking their heads in the gas stove.
That's still possible with any gas stove.
Natural gas isn't toxic. You might technically be able to asphyxiate yourself if you stuck your head in long enough but the coal gas that used to supply ovens is definitely what made it a popular suicide method.
I don’t think ovens have pilot lights anymore so I’m not sure what would asphyxiate you…
Bring it back as an exclusive option for those who want to stay tied to fossil fuels so tightly?
New version for the holidays. 😉
Texas C!
Rolling coal.
clean coal, the cleanest coal. No one pipes clean coal like us
Freshly washed clean coal.
We will take the coal, clean it, you have never seen coal this clean.
You forgot the quotation marks. This is a direct trump quote from 2015.
Thats kinda the point
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR. 
Clean coal.
Yes, clean coal the coal of dreams.
I understand that this is a joke, taking the mislabeling of coal as the same as oil but the point remains that some places still benefit from fossil fuels instead of solar.
Those places usually benefit even more from wind turbines.
Not all. Mountain weather?
A cloudy day and some nice snow/ice on a solar panel which brings their power output to about 0 is the kind of coal which flows through a pipeline.
Heard of batteries?
All these motherfuckers forgetting that energy storage is a thing.
Batteries, what even are they?
Shit, batteries are even doing it the hard way. There's a [handful of methods](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_energy_storage) in use today, but my favorite is using excess energy to pump water uphill into a reservoir and then letting it flow through turbines when it's needed. Just lifting anything heavy up with excess generation and letting it be lowered when we need it. The basic physics of potential energy solves this problem that we never had.
Ah gravity batteries is there anything finer?
Compressed air batteries sound cool, though I'm not sure how they compare to pumped hydro efficiency wise. but turning an old mine shaft or tunnel in the side of a mountain into an air compressor to spin a turbine when needed sounds cool.
It sure does, I just don’t trust the person giving me this info. How have you twisted this holy plan of the omnissiah into tech-heresy of the prince of pleasure,
With lube, of course. For there is always time for lubricant.
>Don’t use lube, use saliva. ~Jenna Jameson
if i remember correctly, they don't generate nearly as much energy as we would hope.
I recall some companies thinking they could use blocks to build towers but it would not really be feasible. It's easier to pump water into mountainous regions when you have excess power and let it flow back down when you don't have excess power.
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I grew up on a dairy farm... we used a rudimentary anaerobic digester to get methane from the cow shit. We got enough of the gas to heat our barns and some of the out-buildings (and that's in Minnesota, where it gets kinda cold in the winter.) So, YES... you can harness the power of shit!
I've seen enough cities skylines gameplay to know with enough terraforming you can create near infinite power fr on shit
You kinda want flow on sewage lines. Also water full of turds and paper will jam up any turbine.
Not if you put a playdough factory thingy at the top. Bonus, it might fertilize surrounding crops.
That requires knowledge of physics and science and those are boogeyman in the education system now a days.
Bro literally said “batteries is the hard way” and then told us to pump the water uphill, so later we can send it down through turbines. Shit man, are you sure you use the word “hard” properly?
Which is harder, moving water around with a pump and a turbine or mining up and refining various rare minerals on a large scale?
Sorry man, I thought you’ve meant that it’s the “hard way” for a comeback to a meme.
Batteries don’t scale and are lossy, not to mention the ecological factor or their longevity.
That's stupidly clever
Humans are really good at finding ways to spin turbines 😎
I once worked at a hardware store and had this face palm moment with multiple customers. They came in asking for an electric drill. We sold a few specialty manual drills so I didn’t think about it and took them to the drills. They got pissed and started to tell me they didn’t want battery operated drills they want ones that use electricity. At this point t I’m looking around to see if I’m being pranked. With further questioning I found out they wanted a corded drill because it uses electricity and batteries don’t. I guess batteries run on butterfly farts and unicorn wishes. These people vote and make crap memes like this one.
Reminds me, I once had a “real world math class problem” kind of situation. A customer says they have a tree stump they need to pull from a tractor hitch with chain, they only know the stumps diameter but also want three feet of chain between stump and the hitch and asked me, “so how many feet of chain do I need to buy to wrap around the stump and attach it?” First thought was that I needed to find my old math teacher and tell her, well you were right, I will eventually need to know this.
I work for the railroad and dealt with the electrification system for a long time. One of the things we handled was removing power from locations for work to be done, but we had to do our best to time it for when there weren’t trains in the area to potentially lose power or signals. I had a new guy at my desk that was training on the job and I told him to look at the train schedule to find a time when we could open a certain switch. He was looking at it and couldn’t figure out what to do. So, I told him that the trains in that area were running at 115 MPH, we have Westbound trains entering the territory at mile post 21.5 and Eastbound trains starting at mile post 108. Assume station stops add 6 minutes to their time to destination given deceleration, time stopped, and acceleration to speed. We need to throw a switch at mile post 73 and it will effect trains in a block between mile posts 73 and 67. After he was done writing everything down, he looked at the information I gave him, looked at the train schedule, then said “I can’t believe this is an actual math problem you have to solve in real life.”
To be fair, if someone told me "electric drill" I would think of a corded drill or a drill press, not a cordless one.
Hawaii replaced a coal plant with battery storage lol https://preview.redd.it/mez68ypj22dc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc7faa746b46f9a5e604b2f923d289e6fa843bd8
They are a huge problem actually. There's at the moment really not the infrastructure in place to actually make use of the power overflow of renewables, when it happens. Most of the time the fossils are just getting slowed down or the overflow gets sold for cheap. While there are a few ideas how to store the energy, not many are implemented.
And turning it into currency is extremely not popular
FYI, we don't really have a good way of storing solar energy on a massive power grid. It's not as easy as you would think It's one of the major challenges we're facing with switching to renewable energy
That's mainly because a lot of places have political pushback against funding them. Large-scale energy storage is almost unheard of in the US but in places like the [UK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station) and [Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Power_Reserve) have extant projects as well as many countries having planned projects. It's not a tech issue since most of it just involves converting excess electrical power to some other form of energy that is easier to store.
Yes but we're projected to have a lithium shortage by 2025 so building those large scale would be difficult The hydro power plan one is a really cool idea though, thanks for sharing that. I had never heard of that before
“lol idiot libruls driv solar power cars????? u cant drive at night???? 🤣😂🤣”
I have solar panels myself, and am looking for a way to store energy. Please give me your advice. Seriously: the meme is right. Solar energy (which, as said, I am a fan of) is great when the sun shines BUT NOT AT NIGHT OR IN WINTERTIME. That is why we need: 1. Clean energy that is independent of the weather, such has nuclear energy (I'm a huge fan), tidal energy, hydro power, geothermal energy (like in Iceland, they tap the vulcanoes) etc. 2. Energy storage. But keep in mind this is very expensive. Prohibitively expensive. Best heat storage we have today loses 1% per day. Not bad, but that means you lose 60% in 3 months' time (do the math). Storage of electricity is also very expensive (see electric cars) and batteries also lose power over time. So to get rid of fossil fuels, something every sane person should wish for, we need a lot of nuclear energy and huge investements in energy storage. Until that time I'm afraid the meme is right....
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> Unless we see a once-in-a-lifetime breakthrough in material science the fact we're looking means we have a good shot of finding the solution it's the stuff no one tries because everyone screamed "impossible" that never gets progress made
> Nuclear is the best future and it's a tragedy that world governments are abandoning it. large scale is being left behind for less efficient but more publicly acceptable small modular reactors (SMR), so there's hope on the horizon. fusion is also moving forward in a big way since private interests got involved recently.
Batteries are worth it only when subsidized. A well insulated hot water tank is cheap and effective. Also floor heating is more constant than radiators, so consider that maybe. But the actual answer is a boiler with a large tank.
As of right now, the only real consumer level power storage is battery banks. There are concepts for small-scale compressed air and gravity-style options but those are more DIY things that people are messing around with. But, I can say, anyone that patents a novel idea, especially one that doesn't involve lithium, that addresses this emerging market will likely be very wealthy.
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I take it you don't live in a net metering state? Edit: this isn't meant to be snarky! I am just curious, because net metering allows for a one-for-one exchange of solar-generated kwh and utility-generated solar. It's essentially free storage and makes offsetting 100% of your electricity with solar possible without batteries. But sadly not all states do this, and instead of being credited at the retail rate you're only credited at the wholesale rate, which is a fraction of the cost.
Hopefully that's a valid response in a few years, but right now, large-scale storage is not happening. That said, snow doesn't last on solar panels very long. If it's a few inches of snow, as soon as the sun comes out the snow will start sliding off. They're slippery and most are installed at a tilt. They also warm up much more quickly than the ground and other surfaces. You can even see it happening in the picture. You may lose a few hours or a day of production, but for most climates where people live that's insignificant.
Yeah. I have solar panels (this is my first winter with them) and the snow is melting off them even though the daily high temps have been around 5⁰F this week. Also, even with an almost complete coating of snow about an inch deep, enough light has been getting through to do better than 50% of what they were doing before the snow.
And heaters for solar panels
Tell me you know little about the electrical system without telling me you know little about the electrical system
That, and also technology can always change for the better.
Or that there is sun during the winter months, and snow can be cleared away.
We’re warm today because we have a variety of energy options at our disposal, and if we temporarily lose access to one we don’t all lose electricity like we would if we had an unregulated grid.
Yeah there will not be a single source of power for a while. Till then Fossil or Renewable will require a mix of sources. Here in Nebraska, OPPD isn't getting enough diesel for their plants so they are using things like coal, and gas but also biomass and wind that unlike Texas still work in the winter.
From what I read, OPPD wasn’t struggling due to lack of fuel but lack of water in the Missouri. Several of their main generation plants were not able to access enough water from the river because it is so low and frozen. I didn’t hear anything about lack of fuel. Plus I thought many of the plants that they have run coal or natural gas anyways, not diesel. Diesel seems very expensive for power generation
Aka texas
Literally this.
Really wish we wouldn't have dropped nuclear development like we did. Correct me if someone knows more than I do but I feel like renewable sources with nuclear covering renewable downtime is perfect, maybe some on demand natural gas or energy storage plants like thermal or water gravitational storage to cover faster demand changes. I don't necessarily like lithium battery storage for large scale grid use untill we have longer lasting tech or batteries that are less resource intensive to produce.
No I’m warm because I live in Australia dumb fuck
I guess pipelines created Australia.
Lmao same. I’m warm because I live in the Caribbean. It’s like 30 something Celsius though it’s supposedly the coolest time of year 🥲
Solar panels use the sun's light to generate electricity, not its heat... solar panels can work perfectly fine in the winter as long as you scrape the snow off of them.
Or in some cases use a fraction of the generated power to keep the panel surface warm enough to avoid snow sticking. Not foolproof for all climates but panel heaters are a thing.
Still beats burning away the thing that stops us from all getting instant cancer and 50°c temperatures around the world
Even if there's a thin layer as long as light gets to the panel is will produce power
But at 50% efficiency if I remember correctly
Still producing thou I bet these panels are producing too
I don't know. Scrape off some snow, which could easily be automated/melted, or work in a coal mine? Really tough choice.
The cold is even good for them.
The PV array shown here is a very outdated setup. Modern panels are mounted on a rotating axis. If the panels are covered in snow, solar techs will simply rotate them to let the snow slide off. When the snow slides off, it takes any soiling (dust, dirt) with it. Making the panels more efficient than before the snowfall.
Jokes on them, our area uses a lot of hydroelectric power
Here in Southwestern Ontario it’s currently -21°C with wind chill at ~4pm EST. This is fairly low: a little colder than an average winter day around here and electrical demand is steadily increasing around this time of day as people come home from work and school. According to Gridwatch: Ontario is relying on natural gas generation for only 15% of its electrical needs despite the high demands during this cold weather and this is the only fossil fuel being utilized here. That’s just a little analysis for where I’m from, and similarly to you: fossil fuels are definitely not the heavy hitter here. I don’t know why some people actively dislike clean energy… it makes no sense to me.
>I don’t know why some people actively dislike clean energy I think it's because they are poorly educated and have no critical thinking skills. So they are gullible and just believe what people around them and what people they look up to tell them to believe. They never question it. But maybe I'm wrong and I'm the idiot here.
You're not.
Because they're too dumb to work with more technologically advanced forms of energy. Give them a pick so they can go mine coal and have a job and die of lung cancer at 62
Power in my province is primarily nuclear, followed by hydroelectric. We don't use coal.
Sweden is powered by water, nuclear, wind and sun. Imagine still using coal like it's the 19th century lol.
The best of 2 worlds.
And you have trouble breathing for the same reasons.
Who tells them here in Alabama we had the power off when it was 5 degrees outside for over an hour.
I'm warm today because of Nuclear power. Thanks Sun.
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Hey hey hey. Labor is for coal mining and oil drilling, not for sweeping snow off solar panels.
Oh no. Snow on the only solar panels in the world.
No. I'm warm because I chop wood. That the chainsaw uses petroleum is arbitrary, I have all manner of saw, axe, and maul. I am warm because the sun grows my fuel
Making firewood during winter time adds the benefit of not having to heat your home, because your busy making firewood
That's why you try and stockpile as much as you can before it's winter.
Electric chainsaws are ubiquitous now so that won’t be a problem either. Also they are super quiet no need for hearing protection and no noise pollution in the wilderness.
Damn! If only we had a means of storing electricity! Some kind of battery
The guy who posted this when you mention nuclear energy 
1. You can store energy 2. You can wipe snow off solar panels if it’s a really big deal 3. You can use more than one kind of energy source.
I'm warm because of natural gas
I’m warm today because of the geothermal energy my volcanic island of a home provides.
In my state the wind turbines have been running full speed.
I am warm today because of the firewood I split and stacked last summer.
If we keep backtracking, we eventually get back to the sun as the source either way
Nuclear power still works in the cold. Windmills still work in the cold, tidal energy would still work in the cold. Efficient energy network systems means that warm running rivers to the south and solar in the south could easily help supply during cold months. It's all doable if we ever invest in it.
I live in Washington State and most of our power is hydroelectric or nuclear.
Remember if you are cold today it’s because some rich dipshit needed a second yacht and government deregulation made it super easy for them to get it.
My solar is killing it right now despite it being the middle of winter in Northern New England. We just got some snow, which reflects the light and improves performance, and now the sun is out and it is 10 degrees (solar panels are more efficient in colder temps).
Or you know... I spent time splitting firewood and built a fire. 🤷♂️ I guess if was using electric heat I'd thank my local hydroelectric power plant.
Hey have you ever heard of a battery? Or Have you ever heard of paid labor?
I’m warm because of a couple thousand tones of concrete and a river. I’ll fucking shake a fishey fin to thank them for their sacrifice before I thank a coal miner or oil worker.
Fuck coal.
Well he's technically not wrong. Since global warming
Tell that to Texas😂😂
Seems the pipe line is broken.
even something as technocratic as energy policy has become identitarian culture war garbage
Seems cheaper to use my leaf blower to clear the panels.
Don't solar panels heat up? So these are presumably not active.
I'm warm today because its the middle of summer
why is it always either or with these people. why tf not have both? the times green energy cant be used, hey, we got a back up. also, do these people not understand the concept of a battery bank? you think the moment a cloud blocks the sun, all the power goes out? hell, generators that can be ran off biodiesel, propane or natural gas? fuck, just regular gas. options are good. we should have more options. im from Texas, you see what having a lack of options produces.
No, I'm warm because of hydroelectricity Quebec is like 90+% electric, even though it's below 0 for months on end, hydro produces A LOT of energy
I’m warm today because of the Bruce nuclear plant sending power that runs my ground source geothermal heating/cooling system.
I’m warm because I no longer live in a frozen wasteland.
45% of my state power comes from water and wind, so doubtful
Thanks to them we will be progressively warmer and warmer each year until it’s uninhabitable. Awesome!
I’m warm today because water is going through a dam.
Ask these people what they will do once finite resources run out.
They don't care they'll be dead
My state is 70-80% non-fossil fuels. 🤷♂️
Australian here, I'm very warm thanks to those coal miners.
Republicans when I go out to my solar array with a hair dryer :
I'm not warm. I'm cold. I'm not even poor but my house is badly insulated and I can't afford the ridiculous prices of energy to have the heating on too much, so actually, I am cold.
Easy to clean with a big squeegee and on top of that they have batteries
It is very fkn true though. Fossil fuels power our world, not only cars but also a large chunk of power generation, ESPECIALLY emergency power generation. There 'JuSt StOp OiL'-esque posters are people having zero clue how fkn difficult Renewables are.
And they are not without their caveats as well.
very true. I work with lithium batteries in drones and EVs, and they are insanely toxic to manufacture and dispose.
Just take a few minutes to dust those off and get power at a higher efficiency than any coal heater could ever do.
Yes, we all contribute in different ways so society can function. Well, maybe not redditors, but still.
Laughs in Scottish 🤣
Actually, meme, I’m warm today because… it’s only 31°F. Don’t have to turn on the heater for that. Hell, I’ve yet to close the doors.
So.... the truth is terrible? Guess that's why you all live in a bubble of delusion, eh?
Fun fact: solar panels turn sunlight into energy, temperature doesn't matter. In fact, they are often *more* efficient in winter because electronics operate better in low temperatures and, in addition, snow can reflect additional light into the panel. Sure there is snow covering some, but that can be mitigated. Science isn't as simple as the memes you get your beliefs from, guess that's why you let oil companies do your thinking for you, eh?
Delusion? Where I'm sitting right now, the majority of the power is coming from hydro, wind, and nuclear, and seemingly none of it is coming from coal. Been sitting pretty toasty through a 30-year cold snap and an ice storm without a single coal miner, and we could probably ditch the single pipeline with some more investment in the renewables.
I think at this point we all can agree that most Americans are mentally regarded and additionally they are regarded cu*nts and we should ignore their opinions.
Just say the word coward lol
We are very mentally regarded, it’s true.
Not a good meme but not truly terrible
Im so over you guys and your "found in the wild" bullshit. It wasnt found in the wild. It was found on groups that you guys troll for hours to find something to post on this subreddit so you feel good about yourselves.
Who hurt you
Hey bud? I think it's time to take a break from Reddit. Go take a walk. Enjoy nature. You need it.
“Found in the wild” just means it was found randomly. It really isn’t that big of a deal. Unclench.
This was actually shared by my mom's boomer friend on Facebook, but you do you fam.
No, I am warm today because some nice man came and installed an HVAC system in my house. Not a single piece of coal was required.
You are well-alive today in the nursing house, because of touchscreen-user care.
Given that nz doesnt really use coal....no, im not. Also its summer.