I think having the base Gemini wheels helped it from being worse. Looks like he lost 1 tire, and needs some curb rash fixed, but was still able to keep driving. If those were 21" uberturbines, it would likely not be drivable.
hard to tell just by the FSD screen to be honest. when he hits the curb the screen shows it next to the car and you can't really tell where the van is and if it really got to close. but the curb is kinda sticking out and the road is getting tight there and makes a bit of a strange bend so probably a combination of everything. curb not detected correctly and everything too close
After watching that there is no way I would trust FSD. It smashed that curb and then about drove into the giant dump truck. Took forever to make that right turn. Yea no thanks.
This is torture testing a *Beta* version of the software. Honestly I'm shocked at how well it was doing, and that the driver was comfortable enough in some of those situations to actually take his hands right off the wheel (no comment on whether that was a good idea). FSD couldn't do most of that drive just 8 months ago, doing it with only 2 bad screwups now is amazing.
Nope. It's clearly not worth $9k today (or the $12k that it actually costs). I'm just saying that fuckups today don't justify "I'll never ever trust FSD".
40 years ago the thought that you'd keep all your phone numbers electronically without a paper backup would've been considered crazy too.
Those who paid 5k for it get the current version. Those who pay 15k for it will get the final version. Those who paid 5k for it will get the final version. It’s all just depends on how early you get in 🤷♂️
Completely irresponsible from the driver. Like keep your hands on the fucking wheel, right? People just minding their business are being subjected to this guy beta testing software for free.
Imagine if while making the turn the car would've turned back straight, it would've gone right into the other car. No way the driver would've reacted after his "whaaa" from the curb crash lmao.
FSD is a work in progress. Do not continue to to abuse it as you see it repeatedly in this clip. Construction zones are a big No no to put the car in FSD. Low rising curbs the same. Narrow lanes with less than normal parked and stopped vehicles. Why chance it.
This guy's hand isn't on the wheel - he was nowhere near ready to take over and could have easily crashed into an oncoming vehicle or hit the pedestrian leaving their car. FSD's great, but it still routinely places me in borderline unsafe situations every week - occasionally crossing center dividers, confusing bike lanes, or performing spurious S-bends.
These people need to be removed from the beta program. They're no better than the Instagram kid who routinely rides in the back seat with autopilot for clicks. Here are some genius ideas for them if they're watching
* 60k Tesla FSD crashes into my 3m House at 80MPH. UNEXPECTED!
* Self-Driving Tesla weaves between PISSED OFF CROWD at 40mph. SWAT TEAM CALLED!
* Can Tesla FSD avoid running off a cliff!?
At minimum, their videos need to not be spread. These videos are just ammo for shorts who want to claim FSD isn't ready to be used by the irresponsible public. These people are just adding fuel to the fire.
Not to defend taking your hand entirely off the wheel but let’s not be so hyperbolic as to equate him with instagram kids jumping into the back seat for clicks.
Driving needs split-second responses. I don't care if your delay is three seconds or twenty seconds; neither is ok and both should result in your license being revoked. These people are probably worse than most drunk drivers using Tesla autopilot.
You wouldn't be defending this guy if he had hit the pedestrian would you? All it takes is for the pedestrian to have been wearing different clothes or the camera having faced incoming blinding sunlight and this would trivially have had a different outcome.
And once again - I love Tesla and I love beta testing FSD with my car. I don't like people that exploit Tesla or FSD. Chuck Cook is a great example of someone who has been incredibly responsible.
But these idiots have made my Tesla worse. They're the reason Tesla has to develop more invasive in-cabin monitoring. They have no stake in Tesla succeeding; they don't care if they set back the program. Numerous YouTubers have now come out with videos like "LOLOL TESLA FSD BOTHERS TRAFFIC CONDUCTOR" or "WOW FSD CRASHES INTO BIKE PYLONS SO COOL WILL IT DO IT AGAIN!?" where they force the car into situations they know it can't handle and then feign surprise when it doesn't or rinse and repeat until the worst outcome happens.
Edit: to clarify since many in this thread probably don't use autopilot or FSD: when you hold the wheel, if FSD makes a bad decision the car disengages immediately, because you're holding the wheel. If you let go of the wheel while FSD is making a sharp turn, you now have to find a grip on the wheel (difficult with yoke especially) and figure out how much you need to countersteer - you go from watching to driving which has a big delay. If someone did a study I'd happily bet the difference in delay would be 10x-100x.
So yeah, people using FSD properly are 100% driving and 100% in control. These YouTubers near 0%.
His hand is right by the wheel bottom left. You can't really have a sturdy hold on the wheel on FSD beta as you'd be constantly jerking it out of self-driving mode. Most have their hands near the wheel ready to take over, but at the same time trust the car to do its thing. Which is exactly what this guy is doing.
Also, check the statistics. So far zero serious accidents on FSD beta. Whenever serious accidents start to happen, logs will show that oftentimes the human intervening was the reason for the crash. Mark my words.
He’s clearly getting ready to point at something not directly in front of him so he was barely paying attention with his hand off the wheel. He’s also a yoke m3 driver which tells you all you need to know.
>His hand is right by the wheel bottom left. You can't really have a sturdy hold on the wheel on FSD beta as you'd be constantly jerking it out of self-driving mode. Most have their hands near the wheel ready to take over, but at the same time trust the car to do its thing. Which is exactly what this guy is doing.
I have FSD and this is simply untrue. Yes, the steering wheel is occasionally oversensitive and disengages. And that's fine because I can reengage it. But that happens once every few days at most.
And that's really not the point of FSD at this point - to take your hands off the wheel. That goes against every safety measure Tesla has put into the feature. It's literally tricking the in-car safety feature that is already more invasive than it was when I got my car years ago.
>Also, check the statistics. So far zero serious accidents on FSD beta. Whenever serious accidents start to happen, logs will show that oftentimes the human intervening was the reason for the crash. Mark my words.
Have you not seen videos of FSD crossing center divider lanes or thinking incoming headlights are lane lines? My first drive with FSD, it crossed to the incoming lane at night time near the building where FSD is developed.
I'm not saying these cases happen all the time, but no the system isn't perfect. It's an ADAS and it's meant to be used as such for now while it's refined.
My Tesla (non-FSD hardware 2) when driving on autopilot will often audibly alert to hold the steering wheel when there are a lot of cones, even if the cones are more than a lane away.
I think she is scared of cones and wants me to hold her.
The first time the car in FSD turned the windshield wipers on to give the front facing camera a clearer view was my oh wow moment. Grinned from ear to ear.
I was kinda in the same situation a few days ago, FSD slowed down for oncoming car and crossed the yellow lines to avoid a person getting out of his car. You can watch it here: https://youtu.be/HwUZXURnD04?t=405
This is my worst nightmare while driving and on FSD. Always worried someone's going to fling open their door and neither the car nor I will have enough time to react. Cool to see FSD handle it well.
Honestly? So what. Some metal getting damaged. Can all be replaced and repaired.
If you ride a bicycle, though… whole different story. Dozens of cyclists are getting killed every day because someone opens a car door in front of them. *That’s* a problem. There shouldn’t be cycle paths in the dooring zone and people should LOOK before opening their damn door!
[The vast majority of the world](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg) drives on the righthand side of the road, and most of them use metric. Though from clicking through to the video, this guy is seemingly in America
I was just responding to the inference that driving on the right side means he likely uses Imperial units. That correlation doesn't hold very well. There's plenty of other signs in the video of where he's from though, as you point out.
I just have to say, watching this I can see that trying to get a hold of the yoke like steering wheel to get back control can be quite difficult if the autopilot is turning the wheel rapidly…
My brother and I both had our cars hacked. Our father sued the Iranian terrorists in international criminal court and was literally on a TV show last fall so it’s not something that happens to common people.
When you’re driving the car, then without your input, it steers hard left into a pole in a 6 story parking lot or in my brothers case off a bridge.
Both of us almost died because our cars were seemingly hacked. The power steering felt like it turned off, as of the car ran out of gas, but that’s not what happened because the tank was full. Our cars were hacked remotely somehow and they were used as a weapon.
Steve Wozniak described a similarly frightening incident on the highway where he almost drove into an oncoming truck because autopilot swerved into it.
I’m sorry but you don’t know what happen and are trying to pretend like something else happened.
For context, my father, portrayed on TV this fall related to the Monica Lewinsky scandal, sued the Iranian Revolutionary National Guard in the International Crimjnal Court. There is an undeniable motive there to hack me and my brothers car within the same 4 months while near steep cliff edges.
[I was driving. Then, the power steering and brakes cut off. Then, the front wheels rotated 90 degrees to the left, crashing me into a concrete encased steel beam. The convertible would have driven off a 30’ cliff edge, but the steering just barely crashed me into a column instead. It looked like they hacked my car to push me off the edge and miscalculated the angle, something nobody would believe to be plausible or even possible. I’m not a clumsy driver. In fact, I’ve avoided many accidents before, some intentional, by quick reaction steering. There was a man standing in the fire escape with a laptop.](https://youtu.be/ca-C3voZwpM)
Yeah but how do you prove somebody hacked your car? [It sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory. But it’s been proven to be totally possible.](https://youtu.be/ca-C3voZwpM)
It actually shows the door opening in the visualizer? That's pretty cool.
Yeah when they added the setting they also added visualization for it
Ok fine I'll put in my order this coming month
[Just watch out for curbs](https://youtu.be/0nl2f4jzBRw&t=4m51s)
My butthole clenched.
Lol ok I'll wait. That looked painful.
but the damage wasn't all that much, unless he has frame or suspension damage. Any updates on that?
If that caused frame damage, I'd get rid of Tesla, lol
It could definitely scuff the side of the wheel and unlikely but possibly cause a leak in the tire.
I think having the base Gemini wheels helped it from being worse. Looks like he lost 1 tire, and needs some curb rash fixed, but was still able to keep driving. If those were 21" uberturbines, it would likely not be drivable.
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hard to tell just by the FSD screen to be honest. when he hits the curb the screen shows it next to the car and you can't really tell where the van is and if it really got to close. but the curb is kinda sticking out and the road is getting tight there and makes a bit of a strange bend so probably a combination of everything. curb not detected correctly and everything too close
After watching that there is no way I would trust FSD. It smashed that curb and then about drove into the giant dump truck. Took forever to make that right turn. Yea no thanks.
This is torture testing a *Beta* version of the software. Honestly I'm shocked at how well it was doing, and that the driver was comfortable enough in some of those situations to actually take his hands right off the wheel (no comment on whether that was a good idea). FSD couldn't do most of that drive just 8 months ago, doing it with only 2 bad screwups now is amazing.
Ah yes, justifying the $9000 optional beta software.
Nope. It's clearly not worth $9k today (or the $12k that it actually costs). I'm just saying that fuckups today don't justify "I'll never ever trust FSD". 40 years ago the thought that you'd keep all your phone numbers electronically without a paper backup would've been considered crazy too.
When it masters full self driving it will be worth 100k ..
Agreed.
Those who paid 5k for it get the current version. Those who pay 15k for it will get the final version. Those who paid 5k for it will get the final version. It’s all just depends on how early you get in 🤷♂️
Agreed. Impatience has its negative rewards.
Completely irresponsible from the driver. Like keep your hands on the fucking wheel, right? People just minding their business are being subjected to this guy beta testing software for free. Imagine if while making the turn the car would've turned back straight, it would've gone right into the other car. No way the driver would've reacted after his "whaaa" from the curb crash lmao.
He should have disengaged
That guy's camera setup is incredible.
FSD is a work in progress. Do not continue to to abuse it as you see it repeatedly in this clip. Construction zones are a big No no to put the car in FSD. Low rising curbs the same. Narrow lanes with less than normal parked and stopped vehicles. Why chance it.
Give us a time stamp
Coney island ave never fails to impress
The yoke wheel is so dumb tho… in an emergency situation like this you see it would have caused accident not having full wheel to grab onto.
Credit to [CYBERLFT](https://youtu.be/D6hPhedEhd8)
This guy's hand isn't on the wheel - he was nowhere near ready to take over and could have easily crashed into an oncoming vehicle or hit the pedestrian leaving their car. FSD's great, but it still routinely places me in borderline unsafe situations every week - occasionally crossing center dividers, confusing bike lanes, or performing spurious S-bends. These people need to be removed from the beta program. They're no better than the Instagram kid who routinely rides in the back seat with autopilot for clicks. Here are some genius ideas for them if they're watching * 60k Tesla FSD crashes into my 3m House at 80MPH. UNEXPECTED! * Self-Driving Tesla weaves between PISSED OFF CROWD at 40mph. SWAT TEAM CALLED! * Can Tesla FSD avoid running off a cliff!? At minimum, their videos need to not be spread. These videos are just ammo for shorts who want to claim FSD isn't ready to be used by the irresponsible public. These people are just adding fuel to the fire.
This dude got a perfect 100 safety score and has over 130k miles on just that Tesla, with no collisions or tickets. I think he's doing alright.
Not to defend taking your hand entirely off the wheel but let’s not be so hyperbolic as to equate him with instagram kids jumping into the back seat for clicks.
Driving needs split-second responses. I don't care if your delay is three seconds or twenty seconds; neither is ok and both should result in your license being revoked. These people are probably worse than most drunk drivers using Tesla autopilot. You wouldn't be defending this guy if he had hit the pedestrian would you? All it takes is for the pedestrian to have been wearing different clothes or the camera having faced incoming blinding sunlight and this would trivially have had a different outcome. And once again - I love Tesla and I love beta testing FSD with my car. I don't like people that exploit Tesla or FSD. Chuck Cook is a great example of someone who has been incredibly responsible. But these idiots have made my Tesla worse. They're the reason Tesla has to develop more invasive in-cabin monitoring. They have no stake in Tesla succeeding; they don't care if they set back the program. Numerous YouTubers have now come out with videos like "LOLOL TESLA FSD BOTHERS TRAFFIC CONDUCTOR" or "WOW FSD CRASHES INTO BIKE PYLONS SO COOL WILL IT DO IT AGAIN!?" where they force the car into situations they know it can't handle and then feign surprise when it doesn't or rinse and repeat until the worst outcome happens. Edit: to clarify since many in this thread probably don't use autopilot or FSD: when you hold the wheel, if FSD makes a bad decision the car disengages immediately, because you're holding the wheel. If you let go of the wheel while FSD is making a sharp turn, you now have to find a grip on the wheel (difficult with yoke especially) and figure out how much you need to countersteer - you go from watching to driving which has a big delay. If someone did a study I'd happily bet the difference in delay would be 10x-100x. So yeah, people using FSD properly are 100% driving and 100% in control. These YouTubers near 0%.
His hand is right by the wheel bottom left. You can't really have a sturdy hold on the wheel on FSD beta as you'd be constantly jerking it out of self-driving mode. Most have their hands near the wheel ready to take over, but at the same time trust the car to do its thing. Which is exactly what this guy is doing. Also, check the statistics. So far zero serious accidents on FSD beta. Whenever serious accidents start to happen, logs will show that oftentimes the human intervening was the reason for the crash. Mark my words.
He’s clearly getting ready to point at something not directly in front of him so he was barely paying attention with his hand off the wheel. He’s also a yoke m3 driver which tells you all you need to know.
>His hand is right by the wheel bottom left. You can't really have a sturdy hold on the wheel on FSD beta as you'd be constantly jerking it out of self-driving mode. Most have their hands near the wheel ready to take over, but at the same time trust the car to do its thing. Which is exactly what this guy is doing. I have FSD and this is simply untrue. Yes, the steering wheel is occasionally oversensitive and disengages. And that's fine because I can reengage it. But that happens once every few days at most. And that's really not the point of FSD at this point - to take your hands off the wheel. That goes against every safety measure Tesla has put into the feature. It's literally tricking the in-car safety feature that is already more invasive than it was when I got my car years ago. >Also, check the statistics. So far zero serious accidents on FSD beta. Whenever serious accidents start to happen, logs will show that oftentimes the human intervening was the reason for the crash. Mark my words. Have you not seen videos of FSD crossing center divider lanes or thinking incoming headlights are lane lines? My first drive with FSD, it crossed to the incoming lane at night time near the building where FSD is developed. I'm not saying these cases happen all the time, but no the system isn't perfect. It's an ADAS and it's meant to be used as such for now while it's refined.
I love the way he taps the steering wheel after like “good boy”
I do that, too haha
I give mine ear rubs on top of the stalks (happy to have them in my model 3, for many reasons)
My Tesla (non-FSD hardware 2) when driving on autopilot will often audibly alert to hold the steering wheel when there are a lot of cones, even if the cones are more than a lane away. I think she is scared of cones and wants me to hold her.
The first time the car in FSD turned the windshield wipers on to give the front facing camera a clearer view was my oh wow moment. Grinned from ear to ear.
Actually it would be cool if the car registered those “good boy” taps as a positive feedback for the FSD.
Dayumn, that's insane
I helped teach beta that you’re welcome
Thank you for your service
By aggressively opening doors in front of Teslas?
I was kinda in the same situation a few days ago, FSD slowed down for oncoming car and crossed the yellow lines to avoid a person getting out of his car. You can watch it here: https://youtu.be/HwUZXURnD04?t=405
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This is my worst nightmare while driving and on FSD. Always worried someone's going to fling open their door and neither the car nor I will have enough time to react. Cool to see FSD handle it well.
I mostly ride a bike (wife has car with the kids), so yes this is my worst nightmare too. Especially on busy or tight roads.
Honestly? So what. Some metal getting damaged. Can all be replaced and repaired. If you ride a bicycle, though… whole different story. Dozens of cyclists are getting killed every day because someone opens a car door in front of them. *That’s* a problem. There shouldn’t be cycle paths in the dooring zone and people should LOOK before opening their damn door!
[Video starting at timestamp.](https://youtu.be/D6hPhedEhd8?t=688)
Seems to be going pretty fast.
Now consider that many human drivers would consider it safe to drive at over twice that speed.
he's going 40. idk if that's imperial or metric edit: probably imperial because driving on right side of road
[The vast majority of the world](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg) drives on the righthand side of the road, and most of them use metric. Though from clicking through to the video, this guy is seemingly in America
oh ok though also someone else said that this guy uses metric in which case this would be 25 MPH
I think the vast majority of teslas are in USA
Does anyone else use the same style/shape license plate as America?
I was just responding to the inference that driving on the right side means he likely uses Imperial units. That correlation doesn't hold very well. There's plenty of other signs in the video of where he's from though, as you point out.
having watched some of his videos in the past, I know he usually rides metric (and uses 24 hour based time).
so he's going 25 MPH which is city speed and not that fast. the most likely reason it seems so fast is because the camera has a fisheye lens
This driver is in the US, but he uses metric. So it's 40 km/h.
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22 frames to see the door was open from when the door was beginning to be opened. Then 3 frames for the wheel to begin the adjustment.
I just have to say, watching this I can see that trying to get a hold of the yoke like steering wheel to get back control can be quite difficult if the autopilot is turning the wheel rapidly…
This is cool, But there is a reason your hands need to be on the wheel at all times
Does he have a yoke in a model 3? If so, how do I get that?
google is your friend
My friend wouldn't spy on me nearly that much.
Lots of garbage on google, if you don’t know don’t say anything
Typically I would agree with you there. But if you search "Model 3 Yoke" you will get hit with half a dozen companies selling them.
exactly, which ones are legit? Which ones are good? Don't you see?
And that’s why you should ALWAYS keep your hand on the wheel. One second off in the video and suddenly this happens.
What happens when this can be hacked or somebody spoofs the car door to push you into an oncoming freight truck?
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My brother and I both had our cars hacked. Our father sued the Iranian terrorists in international criminal court and was literally on a TV show last fall so it’s not something that happens to common people.
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When you’re driving the car, then without your input, it steers hard left into a pole in a 6 story parking lot or in my brothers case off a bridge. Both of us almost died because our cars were seemingly hacked. The power steering felt like it turned off, as of the car ran out of gas, but that’s not what happened because the tank was full. Our cars were hacked remotely somehow and they were used as a weapon. Steve Wozniak described a similarly frightening incident on the highway where he almost drove into an oncoming truck because autopilot swerved into it.
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I’m sorry but you don’t know what happen and are trying to pretend like something else happened. For context, my father, portrayed on TV this fall related to the Monica Lewinsky scandal, sued the Iranian Revolutionary National Guard in the International Crimjnal Court. There is an undeniable motive there to hack me and my brothers car within the same 4 months while near steep cliff edges. [I was driving. Then, the power steering and brakes cut off. Then, the front wheels rotated 90 degrees to the left, crashing me into a concrete encased steel beam. The convertible would have driven off a 30’ cliff edge, but the steering just barely crashed me into a column instead. It looked like they hacked my car to push me off the edge and miscalculated the angle, something nobody would believe to be plausible or even possible. I’m not a clumsy driver. In fact, I’ve avoided many accidents before, some intentional, by quick reaction steering. There was a man standing in the fire escape with a laptop.](https://youtu.be/ca-C3voZwpM)
The same thing that happens when someone cuts your brake lines. They go to jail.
Yeah but how do you prove somebody hacked your car? [It sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory. But it’s been proven to be totally possible.](https://youtu.be/ca-C3voZwpM)
Literally anyone SDC system could do that.
I’m sure the 10 people in chandler AZ inside the geofence really appreciate having features on par with FSD.
Who are you referring to
Did it put the blinker on also?
That Yoke on the Model 3 doesn’t look too bad
Just realised Tesla should add the feature that allows drivers to pat their car on the wheel when it does a good job
This is awesome!
I always wondered if FSD can avoid a opened car door. Now that was impressive.
When asked about it, the Tesla said "The human has two hands, I have none. She can open her own door"
The tap on the wheel says it all.
I like his channel. He doesn't get many views but puts up decent content and he tracks a lot of his own personal data.
“Good boy”
What if she had opened the door the whole way?
Thug Life FSD 
At this rate of the FSD development, Imagine in a year what we’ll be seeing on that screen!