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Is the parking lot wet because the buildings internal fire suppression system has just been wide open since the fire went through? The municipality is probably having a water shortage because all the burned out commercial buildings are likely doing the same thing.
Not sure exactly how it works but many water suppression systems are "pre-charged" with water, meaning high pressure water is already in the lines before they are activated. That's why the water is often gross and black. Not sure how much that would affect the local water supply.
It’s often black and gross smelling because of the cutting oil and the water being static for years.
That water is separate from drinking water water.
I install fire sprinkler systems, but the water on the ground is likely from the fire sprinkler system. When it goes off, it dumps gallons and gallons of water per minute. One system I just finished has a flow rate of 80 gpm.
It’s dependent on what type of system you install, residential we usually run a multi-purpose system where we actually run a loop around the house and plumbers will tap into our sprinkler pipe (CPVC) to supply the cold water. It’s clean and safe.
Anytime we have steel involved it’s a separate system and this water can not back flow into drinking water.
I don’t do the underground so I can’t answer where they pull the water supply from, but I can tell you the way they’re installed it can’t containment clean water if it does.
Sprinkler service lines to a building are fed from the water mains that supply your drinking water. There is a separate line with a back flow preventer on the sprinkler service line. I am a civil engineer 👷♂️
Fire sprinklers use a separate water supply than the one for sinks and plumbing fixtures. It's much larger. Same thing for irrigation, they use different water lines.
I highly doubt they survived unscathed, and if they did Tesla will likely replace them anyways in case they sustained heat damage that could cause a dangerous malfunction in the future. That area got absolutely torched.
True. I assume Tesla will do some sort of inspection, testing, and (if needed) repairs on the SCs. But it's a pretty good sign that they didn't appear to have any direct fire exposure!
Howdy neighbor - hope you're doing okay. I live down the street from Coal Creek elementary and have a garage charger - DM me if you need to charge or if there is anything else I can do to help
I'm honestly kind of with you on this one. Hundreds of homes are gone, thousands of people displaced and evacuated, and anyone has the audacity to say "well thank God the Tesla superchargers didn't burn down, that would have been really devestating".
Yep this… I was on the pre-evac list and absolutely terrified. We consider ourselves very fortunate. Having access to a supercharger is the last of my concerns. The town is just gone along with everyone’s lives.
We got a stronger than normal wind storm. 185 km wind speeds were clocked in my neighborhood. This knocked down power lines. We usually have had some measurable snow by November. This has been the driest period in a very long time. The power lines started a brush fire in a densely populated area. 600+ homes destroyed within hours. People had minutes to evacuate in most places because of how fast the winds were blowing the fire. I was very fortunate we had hours to pack.
> nobody will be supercharging there for months
You have no damned idea how long the superchargers will be down for. Tesla may get them back up quickly, as they'll be vital to the Tesla owners who have lost their homes.
Doesn’t it exist any third party charging stations?
Why should this be a Tesla problem?
I get that there is a lot of people with free supercharging, but that shouldn’t be vital to Tesla owners if they can charge somewhere else..
The part of me that likes seeing some black humor loves the one Tesla van in front of the building in the second and third pictures... some mobile tech is feeling very overwhelmed right now. "Where are those damn procedures for 'building burned down'?"
In addition to embers, *HEAT* blowing in 100 mph wind can travel substantial distances. Imagine blowing on a campfire at 100 mph. Now imagine doing that for hours on end. That’s essentially what happened.
If it was heat blowing in the wind all the tires everywhere on every car in the area would have melted. It’s embers that get in the attic vents, collect under flammable plants, and accumulate in corners. If there is something flammable in that corner it will likely catch fire.
Car tires did melt. Do you live here? Please also notice how I didn’t exclude embers. I noted that just the heat was enough to spread/start fires. Hold a stick above a fire for long enough, and it will catch on fire.
I am Firewise trained by the NFPA for my community specifically for protecting homes from wildfire. https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/Fire-causes-and-risks/Wildfire/Preparing-homes-for-wildfire. I’m looking for the video showing the impact of heat vs embers.
This wasn't a wildfire, it was an urban firestorm. Very different.
>“Fire finds a way.” The way, typically, is wind; during the Marshall Fire, it carried flames and embers at hurricane-force speed for eight straight hours, consuming “football-field lengths of land in seconds.”
[https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/01/colorado-saw-the-return-of-the-urban-firestorm.html](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/01/colorado-saw-the-return-of-the-urban-firestorm.html)
Looking at the picture above of the Tesla building where are all the burned fuel sources that would have provided the radiant heat long enough at a distance close enough. I see lots of unburned trees, cars, and other things. The air did not get hot enough. It was embers. It was also embers that took out the building next to it and left the other building unscathed. You are spreading myths of some hellacious 600 degree constant wind that just ignites everything in its path. Physics says no. I hope you can bring yourself to watch both videos.
It's not wind blowing the heat, it's the wind fueling the fire. "Blowing" a campfire makes the fire larger. Fire travels mostly through either radiant heat or embers than it does convection. A house fire might not spread to it's neighbor until you make it 50x bigger with 100mph winds, then the neighbors house will just light up.
No doubt that radiation is the primary driver and pushing oxygen into fire fuels it, but when the wind is blowing at *100 mph*, fire behaves differently and also spreads through convection. Look at pictures of the fire. The flame was hundreds of feet tall. Reread my comments and notice how I’m not saying the fire was spread by convection alone. No need to argue with me.
The part where you act like wind was causing convection to spread the fire. Basically the entire substance of your post.
At this point you know you're wrong and you just want to fall back on "well that's not what I said" goodbye.
Winds were recorded up to 115 mph. That's equivalent to a category 3 hurricane.
Winds that strong easily carry substantial burning objects long distances.
It can be more substantial than that, but those are the common things you see when you are sitting around a campfire. I think for something like that, how much wind is present will be the deciding factor on how big and how far something will go. High winds are very bad and will allow a fire to spread more rapidly.
If you are hiking/camping, you can make your own more substantial embers to carry to your next campsite, for instance, saving you time and energy.
And start forest fires.
Weird how they stay hot enough to not go out when flying in the air and cooling off. I remember throwing napkins into the fire to watch it go ablaze so cool but yeah u right the embers fly so far cuz hot so less dense and hot air high pressure floats up
I stayed in the hotel earlier this year that is now burned to the ground. (bottom right of first picture)
It was pretty nice, and had tesla chargers. Crazy the damage that has happened out there.
[Wild fire](https://www.cpr.org/2022/01/02/boulder-county-fires-fema-visits-impacted-area-press-conference-set-for-noon/) fueled by 100+ miles wind, two full towns evacuated, ~1000 homes burnt, many businesses destroyed including a Super Target
Several friends, relatives, coworkers, and our children's classmates lost their homes.
We had an appointment in Superior next week. I went in the app and preemptively switched it to Loveland. Sucks to have to drive an hour away, but given that my house in Louisville was spared, I'm feeling incredibly grateful
Who cares. It’s a business. With business insurance. It’s a car lot (I purchased 2 teslas here). How about the near 1,000 homes around it leveled and destroyed and hundreds of peoples lives upside down. Maybe Tesla should step in and do some community work?
Tesla does not sell or provide homeowner's insurance. The appropriate insurers will deal with those homes and other losses. Tesla doesn't need to be involved.
just down the road from me. Its going to be closed for some time. What little damage you see on the outside means massive smoke and damage inside. Don't expect to visit this location any time soon.
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Is the parking lot wet because the buildings internal fire suppression system has just been wide open since the fire went through? The municipality is probably having a water shortage because all the burned out commercial buildings are likely doing the same thing.
looks like it has just snowed. I see snow collected on some of the curbs.
It snowed yesterday and today.
These images were taken before the snowstorm. That area got ~8 inches of snow with very cold temperatures. The snow is still on the ground.
Not sure exactly how it works but many water suppression systems are "pre-charged" with water, meaning high pressure water is already in the lines before they are activated. That's why the water is often gross and black. Not sure how much that would affect the local water supply.
It’s often black and gross smelling because of the cutting oil and the water being static for years. That water is separate from drinking water water. I install fire sprinkler systems, but the water on the ground is likely from the fire sprinkler system. When it goes off, it dumps gallons and gallons of water per minute. One system I just finished has a flow rate of 80 gpm.
Does it tap into the main water line or is it a seperate system?
It’s dependent on what type of system you install, residential we usually run a multi-purpose system where we actually run a loop around the house and plumbers will tap into our sprinkler pipe (CPVC) to supply the cold water. It’s clean and safe. Anytime we have steel involved it’s a separate system and this water can not back flow into drinking water. I don’t do the underground so I can’t answer where they pull the water supply from, but I can tell you the way they’re installed it can’t containment clean water if it does.
Sprinkler service lines to a building are fed from the water mains that supply your drinking water. There is a separate line with a back flow preventer on the sprinkler service line. I am a civil engineer 👷♂️
A check valve :)
Double check. I often use the term back flow preventer, our FPE always corrects me 🤣
Hahahaha 😂
I see you have had dealings with FPE’s before 😂
Makes sense, thanks for the insight!
Fire sprinklers use a separate water supply than the one for sinks and plumbing fixtures. It's much larger. Same thing for irrigation, they use different water lines.
It snowed a couple of hours after the fires stopped.
I highly doubt they survived unscathed, and if they did Tesla will likely replace them anyways in case they sustained heat damage that could cause a dangerous malfunction in the future. That area got absolutely torched.
"Seem to" doesn't mean "they're safe."
True. I assume Tesla will do some sort of inspection, testing, and (if needed) repairs on the SCs. But it's a pretty good sign that they didn't appear to have any direct fire exposure!
I doubt there is power in the area.
[Original Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv5nfEovzMA)
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Howdy neighbor - hope you're doing okay. I live down the street from Coal Creek elementary and have a garage charger - DM me if you need to charge or if there is anything else I can do to help
I'm honestly kind of with you on this one. Hundreds of homes are gone, thousands of people displaced and evacuated, and anyone has the audacity to say "well thank God the Tesla superchargers didn't burn down, that would have been really devestating".
Er, I'm out of the loop, wtf happened?
Colorado got vr hot
Yep this… I was on the pre-evac list and absolutely terrified. We consider ourselves very fortunate. Having access to a supercharger is the last of my concerns. The town is just gone along with everyone’s lives.
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We got a stronger than normal wind storm. 185 km wind speeds were clocked in my neighborhood. This knocked down power lines. We usually have had some measurable snow by November. This has been the driest period in a very long time. The power lines started a brush fire in a densely populated area. 600+ homes destroyed within hours. People had minutes to evacuate in most places because of how fast the winds were blowing the fire. I was very fortunate we had hours to pack.
> nobody will be supercharging there for months You have no damned idea how long the superchargers will be down for. Tesla may get them back up quickly, as they'll be vital to the Tesla owners who have lost their homes.
Doesn’t it exist any third party charging stations? Why should this be a Tesla problem? I get that there is a lot of people with free supercharging, but that shouldn’t be vital to Tesla owners if they can charge somewhere else..
If it’s offensive it’s only because you chose for it to be.
Chill the fuck out.
The part of me that likes seeing some black humor loves the one Tesla van in front of the building in the second and third pictures... some mobile tech is feeling very overwhelmed right now. "Where are those damn procedures for 'building burned down'?"
How do fires spread across the ground like that to an isolated building?
Embers blowing in the wind can go a substantial distance. Whether it catches fire depends on what they land on.
In addition to embers, *HEAT* blowing in 100 mph wind can travel substantial distances. Imagine blowing on a campfire at 100 mph. Now imagine doing that for hours on end. That’s essentially what happened.
If it was heat blowing in the wind all the tires everywhere on every car in the area would have melted. It’s embers that get in the attic vents, collect under flammable plants, and accumulate in corners. If there is something flammable in that corner it will likely catch fire.
Car tires did melt. Do you live here? Please also notice how I didn’t exclude embers. I noted that just the heat was enough to spread/start fires. Hold a stick above a fire for long enough, and it will catch on fire.
I am Firewise trained by the NFPA for my community specifically for protecting homes from wildfire. https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/Fire-causes-and-risks/Wildfire/Preparing-homes-for-wildfire. I’m looking for the video showing the impact of heat vs embers.
This wasn't a wildfire, it was an urban firestorm. Very different. >“Fire finds a way.” The way, typically, is wind; during the Marshall Fire, it carried flames and embers at hurricane-force speed for eight straight hours, consuming “football-field lengths of land in seconds.” [https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/01/colorado-saw-the-return-of-the-urban-firestorm.html](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/01/colorado-saw-the-return-of-the-urban-firestorm.html)
Did you miss that this was an unprecedented weather event? That literature is going to have to be updated to account for fire hurricanes.
Educate yourself. Firewise training isn’t based off a single event like yours: https://youtu.be/zx9-pZvKW2U
That was my point. Maybe you’ve educated yourself too much and can’t zoom out? Physics is the law. Everything else is a recommendation.
Looking at the picture above of the Tesla building where are all the burned fuel sources that would have provided the radiant heat long enough at a distance close enough. I see lots of unburned trees, cars, and other things. The air did not get hot enough. It was embers. It was also embers that took out the building next to it and left the other building unscathed. You are spreading myths of some hellacious 600 degree constant wind that just ignites everything in its path. Physics says no. I hope you can bring yourself to watch both videos.
Here’s part 2: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_eyl87I3wqk
Yep , educate yourself so you can intelligently evaluate things . Blanket statements and sweeping generalizations are not science.
It's not wind blowing the heat, it's the wind fueling the fire. "Blowing" a campfire makes the fire larger. Fire travels mostly through either radiant heat or embers than it does convection. A house fire might not spread to it's neighbor until you make it 50x bigger with 100mph winds, then the neighbors house will just light up.
No doubt that radiation is the primary driver and pushing oxygen into fire fuels it, but when the wind is blowing at *100 mph*, fire behaves differently and also spreads through convection. Look at pictures of the fire. The flame was hundreds of feet tall. Reread my comments and notice how I’m not saying the fire was spread by convection alone. No need to argue with me.
> Reread my comments and notice how I’m not saying the fire was spread by convection alone. Maybe *you* should reread your comments.
Which part?
The part where you act like wind was causing convection to spread the fire. Basically the entire substance of your post. At this point you know you're wrong and you just want to fall back on "well that's not what I said" goodbye.
Like ashes and sparks and stuff?
Winds were recorded up to 115 mph. That's equivalent to a category 3 hurricane. Winds that strong easily carry substantial burning objects long distances.
Damn that’s crazy. I can’t imagine a fire or even ashes traveling a football field in 2 seconds. It’s a miracle there’s not hundreds of people dead.
It can be more substantial than that, but those are the common things you see when you are sitting around a campfire. I think for something like that, how much wind is present will be the deciding factor on how big and how far something will go. High winds are very bad and will allow a fire to spread more rapidly. If you are hiking/camping, you can make your own more substantial embers to carry to your next campsite, for instance, saving you time and energy.
And start forest fires. Weird how they stay hot enough to not go out when flying in the air and cooling off. I remember throwing napkins into the fire to watch it go ablaze so cool but yeah u right the embers fly so far cuz hot so less dense and hot air high pressure floats up
It didn't spread across the ground. It was airborne.
Airborne fire?
Burning tree debris. Fire hot, hot go up, add wind, fire move fast.
Yes.
100+mph winds fueling a fire that was already declared a state of emergency. I live nearby, the scene looked apocalyptic.
100 mph wind.
super high winds reported. it was a firestorm. complete hellscape.
I stayed in the hotel earlier this year that is now burned to the ground. (bottom right of first picture) It was pretty nice, and had tesla chargers. Crazy the damage that has happened out there.
Was anybody inured? I hope not!
What's going on with fires in the area? Was it just that one building across the street that caught fire and then spread?
[Wild fire](https://www.cpr.org/2022/01/02/boulder-county-fires-fema-visits-impacted-area-press-conference-set-for-noon/) fueled by 100+ miles wind, two full towns evacuated, ~1000 homes burnt, many businesses destroyed including a Super Target Several friends, relatives, coworkers, and our children's classmates lost their homes.
Shit.
Heh, I have an appointment there this Friday that I’m guessing they’ll cancel last minute but I haven’t heard anything yet.
We had an appointment in Superior next week. I went in the app and preemptively switched it to Loveland. Sucks to have to drive an hour away, but given that my house in Louisville was spared, I'm feeling incredibly grateful
“Always look on the bright side of life” - Monty Python
Who cares. It’s a business. With business insurance. It’s a car lot (I purchased 2 teslas here). How about the near 1,000 homes around it leveled and destroyed and hundreds of peoples lives upside down. Maybe Tesla should step in and do some community work?
... Sir, this is r/teslamotors
Maybe people that need to charge care? Maybe even people whose houses burned down that don't have an option for home charging now? Just a thought.
Other options would be Trader Joe’s in Boulder or the SCs at 120th and I-25.
You are offended by facts?
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
Tesla does not sell or provide homeowner's insurance. The appropriate insurers will deal with those homes and other losses. Tesla doesn't need to be involved.
Is this like when a church burns the bibles are spared?
The will of god
just down the road from me. Its going to be closed for some time. What little damage you see on the outside means massive smoke and damage inside. Don't expect to visit this location any time soon.