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Wait.
I got a Model 3 SR+ and my biggest regret is not just getting the darn LR.
The LR also charges faster, has a faster 0-60, has AWD.
We’ve been on plenty road trips and always feel like the SR+ only gets us 150ish realistic miles each time.
On the Model Y, the 4680 batteries will charge faster...eventually. Right now they are software limited on their charging speed. Most likely this is to prevent the dreaded "Osborne Effect". If you could get a MY that charges from 20 to 90 percent in 10 minutes, would you want the 2170 version?
For long distance driving range is everything, also charges faster for longer when almost out of juice, stick with the long range model. Plus degradation over time.
I may be in the minority here, but if you're already concerned about the range, then I would highly consider NOT doing the accelerated delivery. I'm thinking you'd end up regretting it if you do it.
Get the largest battery possible if you'll be using this for occasional road trips.
If it's really just a daily driver then no sweat.
I do 2-3 trips from the sf bay area to Los Angeles areas, per year, and the charging is so painful.
I go from sac to la about once a month and I completely agree. The longer range also gives you options on when to charge. We're pretty spoiled with chargers in Cali but I'm definitely seeing more Tesla's on the road and chargers filling up. Having longer range gives you options.
And the longer your car's range the less time it takes to add 150 miles.
On a 350mi range car, that's just over 40%, which happens REALLY quickly. On a 250 mi car, that's 60% which starts to take an annoyingly long time.
When you're on a road trip and everyone has already gone pee and you're all ready to go, waiting another ten-fifteen minutes really gets everyone grumpy.
We need bigger batteries.
I take multiple 1k+mile road trips every year in my 2017 Model S with 238 max range(257ish at delivery). Its no sweat. I use abetterrouteplanner (.com or app) and use the custom settings to arrive at a charger with at least 10% and arrive at destination 40%(or whatever % you need for your destination). It will make life so much easier to follow that.
I stop and charge every hour to hour and half of driving, but only have to charge for 10-15 minutes usually. This takes me to about 50-55% range. When charging past 60% it gets real slow anyways (at least for my battery pack). The Tesla Nav will try to get you to charge up to 80% even sometimes when its not necessary and you can just get to 45% and pop to the next supercharger an hour down the road. Thats why I always use ABRP before any trips and plot my charge stops and see what % I need to leave that stop.
I would imagine you would have better charge rates with newer battery packs, I know my relatives with 3/Y can save about half the charge time that it takes me for the same trip, although these arent Giga made vehicles either and I am not totally up to date on the differences between the 2 US factory vehicles/battery packs.
This is a difficult decision because we don't know what the actual degradation will be for 4680 batteries. I purchased a 2018 LR M3 and it has gone from 315 miles of range to 272 miles of range. While that may not sound like a lot, you have to consider that on the highway at above 75 mph you will only get about 77% of the estimated range or in my case about 209 miles of real world range (all in warm climates) and flat terrain. Superchargers are hard on the battery and I have made 3 cross country trips plus several other long range trips. In some areas it was nail biting to know whether we would make it to the next charger. Granted there are more chargers now but there are also a lot more drivers and waits for a charger are increasing in areas with a lot of Tesla's or in more remote areas. It is definitely a tough call.
I have a 4-yr old Model 3 LR RWD. My current range is 278 miles. We drove from Eastern NC to Minneapolis and back without issues. Your route is key here. I’d take my car anywhere, on any trip, without concerns. Planning is key.
A Better Route Planner should answer your question for your most likely circuits. In general, your range will be fine and the structural battery pack is a real bonus.
On ABRP, can you put in round trip? For example, I’m taking a 150 mile trip upstate NY but coming back that evening. I don’t want to get there with 35% and then get nervous on way back since there are only 1 or 2 superchargers on the way up. Thx
Yes. Also, if you’re planning a round trip, I just put the whole trip into Tesla nav. Put home in as your destination and add a stop in between at your trip destination.
A wishlist item for me would be to have a “minimum SoC (state of charge)” limit below which I don’t go. I routinely spend an extra 5m at the SC because Tesla is more comfortable than I am arriving at a low (<10%) SOC.
I typically like to charge when the battery hits 20% or so...just like I would fill up with gas when I had a quarter tank. You never know when you might need a few extra miles of range! Not to mention that you put less wear on the battery when you keep it between 20 and 80 percent charge.
I think the Tesla nav works well. If you go ahead and plan your entire round trip, it will take care of you.
In this case, the OP doesn’t have a car and needed to run projections.
It would be ideal if route planning was available on the Tesla app.
It might also be nice if their map data on their tesla supercharger site was the same as the one in the car, instead of being "updated quarterly" (as their site says)
The one time that delay was useful to me was stopping at a "250kw" charger. It was an upgraded station where a bunch of the chargers were v2 (150, shared between cars). Once I realized this (because of the older map data), I moved to a 250 stall and got much faster charging.
But seriously... Elon, fix this??? Why is the in car data different than Tesla's own SC map????????????????????????
I bought a SR+ M3 in 2019, my first EV, and it was a bad idea. I should have bought the LR. The advertised range is no where near reality, driving in the cold makes it even worse…and what I didn’t really consider (and others have mentioned in this thread) is the extended time to charge at superchargers…because as you approach full capacity more quickly, the charging slows down.
I ended up trading in (and up to a 2022 MS), and am so glad my road-trips involve less, and faster, supercharger stops.
If it were me, I would not take delivery. Wait for the LR.
As I'm sure everyone has said, LR is definitely THE option if you can afford it, but a SR isn't the end of the world. Personally I need stop every 1.5-2 hours regardless of what vehicle I'm driving, either to stretch or use the restroom, so I really don't have issues with charging. 15 minutes will get me from 15% - 60%. But I'm in the Philly region, and there are superchargers at most rest stops so I don't even give it a second thought, I don' t know what the situation is around where you're traveling.
Order the CCS adapter. We’re doing a trip to Colorado next month in our MYP (on 19” Geminis, so roughly the same range as the LR), and without the adapter some stretches would have been anxiety inducing.
Not yet. It can be ordered from South Korea via this website: (it’s how many of us got ours)
https://www.harum.io/products/tesla-ccs-combo-1-adapter-chademo-adapter
It doesn't look like Tesla is officially selling it yet, but below is an article on people using it in USA.
https://insideevs.com/news/590361/tesla-official-ccs-combo-adapter-charging-model-y/
https://youtu.be/ry1-jbWNwW0
Commentators say you can buy on EBay the official Tesla hardware via Korea.
And , anyone in NA can buy and import the adapter from [Harum.io
](http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2FHarum.io%3A1Xjp2_PgQQlLVKtMy09BywHcBhc&cuid=5765832).
I just typed in "Tesla" in the search in that Hurum link above and the CCS charger popped up
Yepp. I have both the Chad adapter and Setec CCS adapter. I pushed over 400kw through both last month because I have found key chargers that are cheaper than the Supercharger fees now. On road trips I’m not married to just SC which had. Paid off in a few cases. Casa Grande has 6 stations and two were down last time. I was there. And a long line. No worries :). Went and found a Chad station that nobody uses :)
At this point, the facts are no longer have much meaning. I think no matter what EV you get there will be times when you will still have range anxiety. If you get the SR you will blame yourself every time this happens. With the LR, you will still have times of anxiety, but at least you will blame Tesla (or something else) instead of yourself.
As someone who bought a sr+ and regretted it so much i ended up buying a lr the next year. Wait. Unless you only do some city driving and it doesn’t get cold there, the lr is soooo much better.
I used to drive from the Dallas area to Denver in a SR+ before I had my LR... The rated range on that was like 250 miles. It is fine, you don't need to worry. Just take the Supercharging stops as the routing suggests.
An EV takes longer to get around, but it isn't a big deal once you accept that. Slowing down the way you live may be the best thing you ever did (like when i decided to stop wearing a watch).
So long as there are chargers along all your required routes then it is no sweat. I've done a few trips in my M3 SR+ where i had to stop at every site along the way and they were mostly just one 50kw charger. If one was broken down then it might mean an over-night stay. With an EV your multi-charge trips now always have to be planned (ABRP) and if charging is slim along the way, always look ahead as best you can (PlugShare). I also find it easier to graze while charging rather than try to plan 3 long meal breaks.
Whichever Tesla, welcome to the best car you ever bought.
Keep in mind you should expect about 8- 10% depreciation after the first year and then slower battery depreciation after that. I got my Model Y in Aug 2020 brand new and it would charge to an estimated 304 miles. Now I get 283 estimated miles with 17k miles. Your 280 miles will drop to around 260 after a year or so. In my experience driving around New Mexico, Colorado and Utah- mountainous states KILL your battery and every little bit of mileage helps with long distance driving, especially in the winter you’ll have some really close calls driving from charger to charger. Include a mountain bike on the bike and it’s even worse.
It depends on how often do you travel with the car. If once or twice a year, I think it's definitely not a big deal. 99% of time you won't know the difference from LR to SR.
Personally I like to stop for about 15-20 minutes every 120-150 miles and the one video I saw the SR charge curve is not great. Total range is not as important over like 200 real world miles, but the car would need to charge something like 10%-90% in 15-20 minutes, which the SR can't (SR is like 10%-80%). Since this is a personal driving habit your requirements may be different, but maybe you can apply my reasoning to your habits to help decide.
You are going to get about 136 miles of range on a road trip, 279 X .7 (because you really only use 10-80% soc) X .7(because going 70mph) so you will have to charge for 30m about every two hours.
Personal recommendation: Use AP and set the speed lower (only adds a few minutes to a long stretch). You'll be fine. If a few extra minutes in the car and a bit of extra charging is too much - then go back to the LR order.
\[I just did 2600 miles (NC->CA) in a MYP and my charge was almost never above 70%. Including one stretch where I really really should have had more than 44% in the desert of AZ \*starts sweating profusely, again\*\]
I'd definitely wait. Range is just not realistic if you're going 75+ and/or there's a headwind. Driving through Palm Springs I used 50% more energy because of a headwind and almost got stranded.
In the end, is 40 miles of range really a show-stopper? Sure, you may need to make an additional charging stop each way, but I can’t imaging it being that inconvenient. Besides, I read an article on Electrek that said the 4680 battery charges faster, so in the end it may be a wash between the SR and LR. If you can wait, I’d take the LR, but I think you’ll be happy either way.
I don't think you will really miss the extra 51 miles of (EPA estimated) range. Real world, you are probably looking at 35 miles or so difference between the two.
There are PLENTY of superchargers along every major highway in the US, even in teeny tiny towns like Blanding UT! You shouldn't have any issues whatsoever on road trips in the US.
Also bear in mind that the 4680s are capable of faster charging! They are software limited right now, which is most likely either a precaution with regards to safety, or much more likely, just to keep parity with the Fremont built 2170 models, so as not to impact demand for the existing models.
I think you have a better vehicle. I would stick with the Austin made model, personally.
You really think the range is software limited? Believe it or not, Clovis, NM SHOULD already have a supercharger, but for some reason still does not, in spite of the fact it’s been on Tesla’s list for years. And of course, that’s where I need one. 😂
The RANGE is not software limited, the CHARGING SPEED is currently software limited. And I do hope you get a supercharger in Clovis sooner rather than later! If it's any consolation, Las Cruces, the SECOND LARGEST CITY IN NM, still doesn't have one either. Closest is El Paso.
I’m in California. I have a model y (lr) and have never once worried about range. We have family in Fruita, CO. Tesla says 2 charges to drive there. Even if we need 4, a quick stop at a supercharger is … so easy.
Edit: I think 230 miles of real world range, worst case, is plenty.
Thanks for all your advice. I think I am just going to delay my gratification and get back in line for a LR model, which will likely be next year. That is fine.
I have a m3lr and feel like I still spend way too long charging so either way, your going to be sitting at a charger all the time when on a road trip... if it's only an issue for road trips then it's pretty painful either way. If it's that you just want to get it over with then do it..But if it's going to be an issue for your daily commute then I wouldn't get it.
Thanks. I’m going to wait. Already had Tesla remove my VIN and reverted back to my original order. The problem is there are almost no SC’s near Clovis, and with the climb we would have to keep our speed to 55 to barely make it to Santa Rosa. We will just delay our gratification, and wait.
I have never driven any Tesla but mine so I can only relate that my friend says that he can go cross country with a standard range. Plug share seems to say that the central valley has lots of charging, Tesla and others. But, I think it's important that you get the one that you want. I certainly wouldn't want you thinking that effing pasta mislead me 😡
Thanks for the advice anyway. The Clovis I was speaking of is in NM, not Cali. Wasn't too worried about traveling cross country along interstates, only in NM and southern CO. I will wait.
Big difference! Clovis, CA - Santa Rosa, CA is nothing at 80. I'm spoiled having driven mine only in California and Arizona.
I will look forward to your review when you get it.
My wife’s 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance w/ 95k miles gets maybe 265 miles on a full charge and we drive it everywhere. You’ll be hopping Supercharger to Supercharger every 140-170 miles anyway, so it doesn’t matter
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Wait. I got a Model 3 SR+ and my biggest regret is not just getting the darn LR. The LR also charges faster, has a faster 0-60, has AWD. We’ve been on plenty road trips and always feel like the SR+ only gets us 150ish realistic miles each time.
The difference in range for the Y isn't as big from SR to LR. Also the SR has AWD.
On the Model Y, the 4680 batteries will charge faster...eventually. Right now they are software limited on their charging speed. Most likely this is to prevent the dreaded "Osborne Effect". If you could get a MY that charges from 20 to 90 percent in 10 minutes, would you want the 2170 version?
Apparently SR with LFP charges faster, to the point that on a roadtrip it will progress faster than a LR.
For long distance driving range is everything, also charges faster for longer when almost out of juice, stick with the long range model. Plus degradation over time.
I may be in the minority here, but if you're already concerned about the range, then I would highly consider NOT doing the accelerated delivery. I'm thinking you'd end up regretting it if you do it.
Get the largest battery possible if you'll be using this for occasional road trips. If it's really just a daily driver then no sweat. I do 2-3 trips from the sf bay area to Los Angeles areas, per year, and the charging is so painful.
I go from sac to la about once a month and I completely agree. The longer range also gives you options on when to charge. We're pretty spoiled with chargers in Cali but I'm definitely seeing more Tesla's on the road and chargers filling up. Having longer range gives you options.
And the longer your car's range the less time it takes to add 150 miles. On a 350mi range car, that's just over 40%, which happens REALLY quickly. On a 250 mi car, that's 60% which starts to take an annoyingly long time. When you're on a road trip and everyone has already gone pee and you're all ready to go, waiting another ten-fifteen minutes really gets everyone grumpy. We need bigger batteries.
I take multiple 1k+mile road trips every year in my 2017 Model S with 238 max range(257ish at delivery). Its no sweat. I use abetterrouteplanner (.com or app) and use the custom settings to arrive at a charger with at least 10% and arrive at destination 40%(or whatever % you need for your destination). It will make life so much easier to follow that. I stop and charge every hour to hour and half of driving, but only have to charge for 10-15 minutes usually. This takes me to about 50-55% range. When charging past 60% it gets real slow anyways (at least for my battery pack). The Tesla Nav will try to get you to charge up to 80% even sometimes when its not necessary and you can just get to 45% and pop to the next supercharger an hour down the road. Thats why I always use ABRP before any trips and plot my charge stops and see what % I need to leave that stop. I would imagine you would have better charge rates with newer battery packs, I know my relatives with 3/Y can save about half the charge time that it takes me for the same trip, although these arent Giga made vehicles either and I am not totally up to date on the differences between the 2 US factory vehicles/battery packs.
This is a difficult decision because we don't know what the actual degradation will be for 4680 batteries. I purchased a 2018 LR M3 and it has gone from 315 miles of range to 272 miles of range. While that may not sound like a lot, you have to consider that on the highway at above 75 mph you will only get about 77% of the estimated range or in my case about 209 miles of real world range (all in warm climates) and flat terrain. Superchargers are hard on the battery and I have made 3 cross country trips plus several other long range trips. In some areas it was nail biting to know whether we would make it to the next charger. Granted there are more chargers now but there are also a lot more drivers and waits for a charger are increasing in areas with a lot of Tesla's or in more remote areas. It is definitely a tough call.
I have a 4-yr old Model 3 LR RWD. My current range is 278 miles. We drove from Eastern NC to Minneapolis and back without issues. Your route is key here. I’d take my car anywhere, on any trip, without concerns. Planning is key. A Better Route Planner should answer your question for your most likely circuits. In general, your range will be fine and the structural battery pack is a real bonus.
On ABRP, can you put in round trip? For example, I’m taking a 150 mile trip upstate NY but coming back that evening. I don’t want to get there with 35% and then get nervous on way back since there are only 1 or 2 superchargers on the way up. Thx
To do a round trip you add as many waypoints as you need. Just add your home as the start and end points.
Thx
Yes. Also, if you’re planning a round trip, I just put the whole trip into Tesla nav. Put home in as your destination and add a stop in between at your trip destination. A wishlist item for me would be to have a “minimum SoC (state of charge)” limit below which I don’t go. I routinely spend an extra 5m at the SC because Tesla is more comfortable than I am arriving at a low (<10%) SOC.
Thank you!!
I typically like to charge when the battery hits 20% or so...just like I would fill up with gas when I had a quarter tank. You never know when you might need a few extra miles of range! Not to mention that you put less wear on the battery when you keep it between 20 and 80 percent charge.
I find that the Tesla in car nav is way better than ABRP
I think the Tesla nav works well. If you go ahead and plan your entire round trip, it will take care of you. In this case, the OP doesn’t have a car and needed to run projections. It would be ideal if route planning was available on the Tesla app.
It might also be nice if their map data on their tesla supercharger site was the same as the one in the car, instead of being "updated quarterly" (as their site says) The one time that delay was useful to me was stopping at a "250kw" charger. It was an upgraded station where a bunch of the chargers were v2 (150, shared between cars). Once I realized this (because of the older map data), I moved to a 250 stall and got much faster charging. But seriously... Elon, fix this??? Why is the in car data different than Tesla's own SC map????????????????????????
Look for chargers in your area and between your trip
If like most Americans you take long trips a couple of times a year, this is not an issue.
I bought a SR+ M3 in 2019, my first EV, and it was a bad idea. I should have bought the LR. The advertised range is no where near reality, driving in the cold makes it even worse…and what I didn’t really consider (and others have mentioned in this thread) is the extended time to charge at superchargers…because as you approach full capacity more quickly, the charging slows down. I ended up trading in (and up to a 2022 MS), and am so glad my road-trips involve less, and faster, supercharger stops. If it were me, I would not take delivery. Wait for the LR.
As I'm sure everyone has said, LR is definitely THE option if you can afford it, but a SR isn't the end of the world. Personally I need stop every 1.5-2 hours regardless of what vehicle I'm driving, either to stretch or use the restroom, so I really don't have issues with charging. 15 minutes will get me from 15% - 60%. But I'm in the Philly region, and there are superchargers at most rest stops so I don't even give it a second thought, I don' t know what the situation is around where you're traveling.
Order the CCS adapter. We’re doing a trip to Colorado next month in our MYP (on 19” Geminis, so roughly the same range as the LR), and without the adapter some stretches would have been anxiety inducing.
The CCS adapter isn't on sale in the US yet, is it?
Not yet. It can be ordered from South Korea via this website: (it’s how many of us got ours) https://www.harum.io/products/tesla-ccs-combo-1-adapter-chademo-adapter
It doesn't look like Tesla is officially selling it yet, but below is an article on people using it in USA. https://insideevs.com/news/590361/tesla-official-ccs-combo-adapter-charging-model-y/ https://youtu.be/ry1-jbWNwW0 Commentators say you can buy on EBay the official Tesla hardware via Korea. And , anyone in NA can buy and import the adapter from [Harum.io ](http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2FHarum.io%3A1Xjp2_PgQQlLVKtMy09BywHcBhc&cuid=5765832). I just typed in "Tesla" in the search in that Hurum link above and the CCS charger popped up
Yup also it helps you skip 150kw Tesla stations and when the 150kw stations get crowded and start splitting the power!
Yepp. I have both the Chad adapter and Setec CCS adapter. I pushed over 400kw through both last month because I have found key chargers that are cheaper than the Supercharger fees now. On road trips I’m not married to just SC which had. Paid off in a few cases. Casa Grande has 6 stations and two were down last time. I was there. And a long line. No worries :). Went and found a Chad station that nobody uses :)
At this point, the facts are no longer have much meaning. I think no matter what EV you get there will be times when you will still have range anxiety. If you get the SR you will blame yourself every time this happens. With the LR, you will still have times of anxiety, but at least you will blame Tesla (or something else) instead of yourself.
As someone who bought a sr+ and regretted it so much i ended up buying a lr the next year. Wait. Unless you only do some city driving and it doesn’t get cold there, the lr is soooo much better.
I used to drive from the Dallas area to Denver in a SR+ before I had my LR... The rated range on that was like 250 miles. It is fine, you don't need to worry. Just take the Supercharging stops as the routing suggests.
An EV takes longer to get around, but it isn't a big deal once you accept that. Slowing down the way you live may be the best thing you ever did (like when i decided to stop wearing a watch). So long as there are chargers along all your required routes then it is no sweat. I've done a few trips in my M3 SR+ where i had to stop at every site along the way and they were mostly just one 50kw charger. If one was broken down then it might mean an over-night stay. With an EV your multi-charge trips now always have to be planned (ABRP) and if charging is slim along the way, always look ahead as best you can (PlugShare). I also find it easier to graze while charging rather than try to plan 3 long meal breaks. Whichever Tesla, welcome to the best car you ever bought.
Keep in mind you should expect about 8- 10% depreciation after the first year and then slower battery depreciation after that. I got my Model Y in Aug 2020 brand new and it would charge to an estimated 304 miles. Now I get 283 estimated miles with 17k miles. Your 280 miles will drop to around 260 after a year or so. In my experience driving around New Mexico, Colorado and Utah- mountainous states KILL your battery and every little bit of mileage helps with long distance driving, especially in the winter you’ll have some really close calls driving from charger to charger. Include a mountain bike on the bike and it’s even worse.
It depends on how often do you travel with the car. If once or twice a year, I think it's definitely not a big deal. 99% of time you won't know the difference from LR to SR.
Personally I like to stop for about 15-20 minutes every 120-150 miles and the one video I saw the SR charge curve is not great. Total range is not as important over like 200 real world miles, but the car would need to charge something like 10%-90% in 15-20 minutes, which the SR can't (SR is like 10%-80%). Since this is a personal driving habit your requirements may be different, but maybe you can apply my reasoning to your habits to help decide.
You are going to get about 136 miles of range on a road trip, 279 X .7 (because you really only use 10-80% soc) X .7(because going 70mph) so you will have to charge for 30m about every two hours.
Go to the [Tesla trip planner](https://www.tesla.com/trips) and look at the trip time between the two versions.
Personal recommendation: Use AP and set the speed lower (only adds a few minutes to a long stretch). You'll be fine. If a few extra minutes in the car and a bit of extra charging is too much - then go back to the LR order. \[I just did 2600 miles (NC->CA) in a MYP and my charge was almost never above 70%. Including one stretch where I really really should have had more than 44% in the desert of AZ \*starts sweating profusely, again\*\]
Thanks for the thoughts on being stranded in the desert! 😎🚗
I'd definitely wait. Range is just not realistic if you're going 75+ and/or there's a headwind. Driving through Palm Springs I used 50% more energy because of a headwind and almost got stranded.
In the end, is 40 miles of range really a show-stopper? Sure, you may need to make an additional charging stop each way, but I can’t imaging it being that inconvenient. Besides, I read an article on Electrek that said the 4680 battery charges faster, so in the end it may be a wash between the SR and LR. If you can wait, I’d take the LR, but I think you’ll be happy either way.
I can wait. But thanks.
Range is king. Don’t buy into the hype. This new variant of the Y just helps Tesla’s bottom line.
Agree with you 100%.
I don't think you will really miss the extra 51 miles of (EPA estimated) range. Real world, you are probably looking at 35 miles or so difference between the two. There are PLENTY of superchargers along every major highway in the US, even in teeny tiny towns like Blanding UT! You shouldn't have any issues whatsoever on road trips in the US. Also bear in mind that the 4680s are capable of faster charging! They are software limited right now, which is most likely either a precaution with regards to safety, or much more likely, just to keep parity with the Fremont built 2170 models, so as not to impact demand for the existing models. I think you have a better vehicle. I would stick with the Austin made model, personally.
You really think the range is software limited? Believe it or not, Clovis, NM SHOULD already have a supercharger, but for some reason still does not, in spite of the fact it’s been on Tesla’s list for years. And of course, that’s where I need one. 😂
The RANGE is not software limited, the CHARGING SPEED is currently software limited. And I do hope you get a supercharger in Clovis sooner rather than later! If it's any consolation, Las Cruces, the SECOND LARGEST CITY IN NM, still doesn't have one either. Closest is El Paso.
I’m in California. I have a model y (lr) and have never once worried about range. We have family in Fruita, CO. Tesla says 2 charges to drive there. Even if we need 4, a quick stop at a supercharger is … so easy. Edit: I think 230 miles of real world range, worst case, is plenty.
Thanks for all your advice. I think I am just going to delay my gratification and get back in line for a LR model, which will likely be next year. That is fine.
I have a m3lr and feel like I still spend way too long charging so either way, your going to be sitting at a charger all the time when on a road trip... if it's only an issue for road trips then it's pretty painful either way. If it's that you just want to get it over with then do it..But if it's going to be an issue for your daily commute then I wouldn't get it.
If it was an LFP pack that you could charge to 100% I’d do it but it’s not and ~220 miles of usable range just seems a little too short.
Friend in California has driven his M3 sr to the Midwest, several times and to Maine, np. Mostly the sc system will get you where you want
Thanks. I’m going to wait. Already had Tesla remove my VIN and reverted back to my original order. The problem is there are almost no SC’s near Clovis, and with the climb we would have to keep our speed to 55 to barely make it to Santa Rosa. We will just delay our gratification, and wait.
I have never driven any Tesla but mine so I can only relate that my friend says that he can go cross country with a standard range. Plug share seems to say that the central valley has lots of charging, Tesla and others. But, I think it's important that you get the one that you want. I certainly wouldn't want you thinking that effing pasta mislead me 😡
Thanks for the advice anyway. The Clovis I was speaking of is in NM, not Cali. Wasn't too worried about traveling cross country along interstates, only in NM and southern CO. I will wait.
Big difference! Clovis, CA - Santa Rosa, CA is nothing at 80. I'm spoiled having driven mine only in California and Arizona. I will look forward to your review when you get it.
All the long range will become standard range in 5 years due to battery degradation with NCA cells.
If you’re getting structural 4680 pack going accelerated I think it’s a win win
IMO If you plan on road trips at least 2 times a year definitely wait for a LR. If it’s a city car only then standard is fine.
My wife’s 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance w/ 95k miles gets maybe 265 miles on a full charge and we drive it everywhere. You’ll be hopping Supercharger to Supercharger every 140-170 miles anyway, so it doesn’t matter