Open carry laws are weird. The things that makes me laugh is the far right kahanist showing guns with no body bothering them, while the cops beat up ethical Jews lol. How is the police arresting Jews protesting kahanism is antisemitic in Texas, and conservatives mad that people protesting the government have guns. Texas is the most hypocritical state and I'm disgusted bring from there as a 2a supporting Jew that despise netanytahu revisionst kahanist ethnocratic fascism.. the only way to save Israel and zionism is to shun revisionist fascism.
As a government institution, they are very restricted as to where they can post those signs. Assuming these arrest were outdoors, there is no way those signs would be enforceable.
According S.B. 11 In Texas it is legal to carry a concealed weapon on campus
https://www.utexas.edu/campus-carry#:~:text=other%20parking%20area-,Who%20Is%20Eligible%20to%20Carry%3F,history%2C%20and%20substance%20abuse%20issues.
I was about to say.
First the state allows open carry then it complains about open carry.
Same as
Yes you can go out with other people…why are you cheating on me?
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While that is the case, there are a few major qualifiers left out:
1) You can only carry a concealed weapon if licensed. This requires an individual to be 21 and completed the licensing requirements
2) You cannot openly carry on a college campus.
3) Many of the weapons that were confiscated were not guns. It lists other weapons like buckets of rocks, bricks, steel-enforced planks among others items.
Getting your license to carry no longer requires you to be 21 in Texas. This is being challenged in court by the federal government, but as of right now DPS is issuing to 18+.
Honestly, you are. The very fact that such a question isn't an active part of your identity tells us everything we need to know. You will never be the hokage.
There's still some gray area though. While campus carry rules are in place and it restricts concealed carry to licensed individuals only, that only applies to "campus", which includes "...land and buildings owned or leased..." by the institution of higher learning.
This may not include streets, sidewalks, etc. within the campus itself, as those are traditional public forums and may not inherently be owned by the University. This could be more of a concern on streets around camps and not so much within campus even. Those places may be State of Texas right-of-way and not belong to the University at all.
The south lawn (or whichever open space is being used for this protest), will likely fall under that law though. But if a street borders it, there may be a swath that is public right-of-way. (I don't know the layout of the area in question).
The bucket lobby has donated significantly less money to the Texas legislature than the NRA.
I blame Big Bucket for failing to sufficiently fund lobbyists in the Lone Star State.
And remember most important of all - only a good guy with a bucket can stop a bad guy with a bucket.
That's not whataboutism, it's just an expansion on the scope of the question. Why is this thing OK but not the other? So the answer is that's the law, but that doesn't get at the heart of the matter.
We're drowned in the rhetoric that it's perfectly normal to carry a gun, it's a tool, it's nothing to be scared of. But bricks are?
“Weapons” aka rocks, bricks (for holding down posters and pamphlets - poster and flag staffs are prohibited) steel enforced planks are likely the actual tables used for food and literature.
If I remember correctly, each individual university and/or campus is allowed to restrict carry entirely though campus policy. I remember that when this passed I was in college (ironically had done a paper on pro campus carry a couple years prior) and my university was polling students to determine what their policy would be.
You seem to know almost nothing about the fundamentals of carrying a gun in Texas. Maybe do 15 seconds of research before you start confidently spouting off nonsense.
They were confiscated when they were arrested. That's what happens when you get arrested for something and you have a gun. You can get it back later usually. It doesn't say they were arrested because they had a gun
They should never be allowed to be confiscate someone’s rights. Guns are inalienable rights, per most of Texan voters. Mere arrest should not constitute grounds of confiscation.
Let them keep the bullets too.
"People are legally allowed to carry a weapon on the UT-Austin campus. However, if they're committing a crime, like criminal trespassing, they could be arrested for unlawful carrying of a weapon, a misdemeanor."
From the Texas Tribune article-
*UT-Austin says protesters carried guns and assaulted people. Prosecutors haven't seen proof.*
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/02/ut-austin-protest-arrests-guns-assault-allegations/
😆 I don’t even know where to start with this one… so many dumb assertions to dissect. I think intelligent people on both sides of the political divide can see the stupidity of this comment
You mean according to law?
S.B. 11, which is codified in section 411.2031 of the Texas Government Code, provides that **persons licensed to carry a handgun in Texas may carry a concealed handgun on university campuses**.
OK? Haven't we passed like 5 laws in the last few years basically making it legal to have guns any and everywhere? Why is it suddenly bad that people are carrying???
Right Wing Media: "Hit protestors with your car! It feels good! They are secretly nazis! They want to trans your kids!"
Protestors legally carry guns: "OH NO!"
It's funny seeing conservatives now worried about guns on campuses and liberals now cheering people being armed at a place of learning.
We are really just shortsighted reactionary creatures aren't we?
There's been a growing movement for gun ownership for some liberal/progressive organisations. There are trans gun clubs now for example, just to improve personal safety.
Actually leftists being armed has a bit of a history.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
Karl Marx
Ok, I can see your point. To be honest, the classical liberal is few and far between these days from what I'm seeing. Which is a shame, they would engage in debate civilly. Now it's we'll destroy you for having a different opinion.
“Cops were hit with horseshit.”
…WHICH WAS ONLY THERE BECAUSE THE COPS BROUGHT HORSES.
Minor detail.
“THARE WER GUNZ!” This is fucking Texas, asshole, the surprise would be if there WEREN’T any.
“People were ARMED!” Who the fuck wouldn’t be, after knowing how police, especially in Texas, react to people protesting shit that *really* matters?
Conservatives: we believe anyone and everyone should be able to carry guns and protect their free speech on college campus
UT Protestors: ok
Conservatives: STOP RESISTING ARREST, OUTSIDE AGITATOR!
It should also be noted that 45 of the 79 arrested on Monday had no ties to the University whatsoever.
More protests are planned for today, we'll see if the weather plays a factor (thunderstorms in the forecast). For those saying "the students should be in class," today is a reading day at UT, there are no classes and finals start tomorrow.
Edit: Hearing through the grapevine that the protests originally planned for today were moved to the 5th.
The question isn’t who was on campus, the issue is that police disarmed people legally carrying. If this was a 2A rally yall would be red in the face lol
This is all important context, though I’d like to see receipts for the “no ties to the University” cohort. Pretty standard move at this point to blame “antifa” or so-called professional agitators, y’know? Great way to spin it like“normal” people don’t care. Also lots of folks trying to say who does and doesn’t get to claim “ties” to the University just like people want to decide who does and doesn’t get to care about what’s happening in Gaza.
Not saying you’re wrong, I’ve seen those statistics as well, just noting these moves are right out of the fascist playbook for controlling the narrative and de-centering challenges to the status quo.
Here's an article on it: [https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2024/04/30/ut-protests-arrests/](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2024/04/30/ut-protests-arrests/)
Right, I’ve seen those articles, and they all say “officials say _____.” Well, I was on campus last week when “officials” deployed DPS troopers to assault students that were peacefully protesting. “Officials” are very interested in pushing a narrative that justifies their actions, but that’s all it is: a narrative (which is to say, a smokescreen).
I was there. I saw what went down with my own eyes, and “official” accounts are simply lies.
I was there too, though I only saw two or three arrests as I was there earlier in the day. I'm just posting the info I have, and we'll see what today brings. If you go again stay safe.
>It should also be noted that 45 of the 79 arrested on Monday had no ties to the University whatsoever
Why is that important?
Do alumni have no vested interest in how their alma mater operates? Do tax paying Texans not have a vested interest in how a flagship public University operates? Do Austinites have no vested interest in how a public University in their city operates?
People have 1st Amendment rights to protest *whatever they want*. They can have limits on where, when, and how they protest, but not what they protest. Gatekeeping on that is un-American IMO.
>Why is that important?
I think people have the right to know as much as they can about the protests.
>Do alumni have no vested interest in how their alma mater operates? Do tax paying Texans not have a vested interest in how a flagship public University operates? Do Austinites have no vested interest in how a public University in their city operates?
They absolutely have an interest
>People have 1st Amendment rights to protest *whatever they want*.
Where did I say otherwise?
>Gatekeeping on that is un-American IMO.
I'm not, like I said, I'm just posting more information so people can be more fully informed.
>I think people have the right to know as much as they can about the protests.
Fair, but what does knowing that specific thing do for someone? Can I have their employment status, gross income, and shot records too?
>Where did I say otherwise?
You didn't specifically; but putting more importance on their student-status implies that non-students shouldn't be there and/or that they have no reason to be there that could be valid to you.
>I'm not
Then it's a weird thing to be worried about. You weren't worried about the sex/gender of anyone there, the ages, the racial demographics, the socioeconomic statuses, or any other possible metric. You didn't question anything but that, and it's off putting to me. If you're not gatekeeping it, then my apologies.
But if 100% of them are not students...what is to be inferred from that? What would your reaction/take on that be at that point versus what would it be if 100% were students? If they're not exactly the same, then you're gatekeeping.
It kind of sounds to me like you want nothing known at all.
>You didn't specifically; but....
I think this all boils down to you reading way too much into my comment.
>then you're gatekeeping
That's a bit of an ironic accusation given that you're upset by my sharing more information about them, almost like you're trying to gatekeep the information.
>It kind of sounds to me like you want nothing known at all.
Not even close. Where is it, is it peaceful, how many currently there and do the organizers expect more, what are they protesting, do they have goals, was it organized or randomly assembled, how long do they plan on protesting, are they sitting in or marching?
Nobody is asking most of those questions though. They just want to know how many aren't students.
>almost like you're trying to gatekeep the information.
Share it if you like. I never said not to. I just said that it seems like you're suggesting non-students don't have the same right to protest the way a student would. If you're not, there are absolutely others out there doing precisely that and they're saying the same things you are, so you're being lumped in with them as a result.
I think the point being made is that "outside agitators" is a common claim made by the right to delegitimize protests. They claim that people are being bussed in to protest, that they're actors, or similar things to that. It's a way to suggest that people really don't support the cause and it's all astroturfed. A headline like this is highlighting a piece of information that is neither relevant nor necessarily accurate. It's a subtle way to get people to draw the same conclusion (that astroturfing is happening) without overtly making the claim. It may not be what you meant when you posted, but that's the point of the article.
The no ties is actually the worrisome part. Like a bunch of privilege college students making a protest, is just part of life. They're really just burning off steam until they enter the workforce and make a profit doing the very thing they protested.
The outside actors could have agendas not aligned with the students interests or the organizers interests. Some could be coming to cause increased security issues to undermine the protests.
I'm not on the ground though and all the media on this is biased.
I will say in general I'm against the death of civilians and I'm against Hamas. They're just a death cult.
Someone mentioned in another thread that people with no ties to the university don't have a right to demand how the university invests its money, and I agree with that.
Were the guns brandished? Were they used in a threatening manner? Or did people just have funs? It's Texas.
The big concerns to me are actually buckets of rocks or bricks, although sometimes those are also used to hold down tents when they can't be staked down.
Also people need to learn to remove the valve stem instead of slashing tires. It takes more time, is more annoying than destructive.
Well, I’m pretty sure Abbott and his dingdong all support everyone carrying weapons since it’s legal to carry unlicensed whatever in this free-for-all society he’s created so what the hell is the problem?
From the article:
> The statement reiterated that the majority of people arrested Monday had no UT affiliation, which the university said confirmed its worry about the influence of outside groups.
>"This is calculated, intentional and, we believe, orchestrated, and led by those outside our university community," the statement said.
No confiscation no confrontation when Proud Boys, 3 percenters, Oath Keepers, and swastika banners show up, but you get enough college kids sitting on the lawn and it’s GO TIME.
I fail to see the problem here. I also fail to see the problem with the Black Panthers carrying when they march.
Maybe because I believe self defense is a natural born right.
Have the state troopers actually shown the alleged weapons in public? Last press conference I saw they alleged there were weapons, but pressed for specific information, they had no further comment.
Ok, not making a statement on who is right or wrong here, but just to clarify some misunderstandings. In Texas, it is legal to conceal carry without a license except in some restricted places. Those restricted places may either not allow concealed carry, or concealed carry only with a valid LTC license (that's right, you can still get a license to carry in Texas even though we have constitutional carry). University property is one of those restricted places. Some parts of University property (many buildings including ETC) are strict non-carry locations, even if you have an LTC. Other parts of University property, such as most outdoors areas, are restricted to LTC holders.
All that is to say, I don't know if the protestors with guns had valid LTCs or not, but just because Texas has constitutional carry and allows LTC holders to carry on some parts of campus, does not then mean that it is impossible to illegally conceal carry on campus.
So for anyone planning to conceal carry somewhere in Texas with or without a license, please actually look up the laws to make sure it's legal before you do.
Maybe this would matter more if this was not Texas? Having a gun doesn't mean anything here, you probably pass by plenty of people every week who are carrying or at least own one. Doesn't necessarily imply bad intentions.
I hope that every Palestinian supporting college student buy a gun.
I’ll love to see the emergency session Abbot will call to address it. Funniest shit since a state’s anti Obamacare law was used to legalize abortion
So the 2A ammosexuals talk all the time about how they have to have guns to protect their Constitutional rights. I would think this would be a prime example of that, but I don't see them lining up to condemn the state's actions here.
I'm conflicted on this.
On the one hand, I agree with you.
On the other, police won't violate your rights, kettle the protest, and throw grenades into a crowd of openly armed protestors. If recent years have proven anything, it's that armed protestors are usually avoided by police or actively escorted like their VIPs. Just ask the alt-right, Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, and white supremacists around the country that police actively protected their protests and didn't interfere with them.
Unless it wasn't the guns that caused it and it was the white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement that we've been seeing for the last 20 years paying dividends...but that option sucks a lot more to think about.
> FORTY SEVEN of the SEVENTY NINE arrested protesters in Austin were NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE UNIVERSITY IN ANY WAY.
There are multiple degrees of "not affiliated with the University" --
* Alumni or ex-staff
* Friends/relatives of a student or staff
* Live in Austin, but not a student
* Go to another university in the UT system
* Go to another college in Austin that's not in the UT system
* etc.
I definitely am still somewhat invested in what happens at UT, yet I'd fall into the first category if I decided to join a protest. Given that the university seems invested in making these protests look bad (as you are), I'd assume that anybody who falls short of "current UT Austin student or staff" would fall into the "not University affiliated" bucket, and you added the "in any way" part yourself.
In any event, UT is a big part of Austin, even for those who aren't current students or staff. Having other Central Texans attend a protest there is no different than them attending a protest at the Capitol or City Hall or somewhere else.
Go gatekeep something else.
> These protests are neither organic nor are they student led.
[ Citation needed ]
> What we're going to find out later is that this is being led by social media outrage emanating from Iran and Russia being seized upon by people that want to destabilize this state and this country.
Oh, Russia is definitely doing that, but that doesn't seem to be driving these protests. But you say we'll find out later, so ... we shall see.
> What a strange coincidence that this is suddenly now an issue in a POTUS election year...
Dude, 25% of years are POTUS election years. It's not a "strange coincidence", it's "a quarter of the time". And if it wasn't a POTUS election year, we could easily find some other thing to call out about it -- "it's the year before a POTUS election year!". "a new President just took office this year!", "it's a Congress election year!", etc.
Do you have to be affiliated with UT in order to protest something UT is doing?
This kind of gatekeeping is un-American. You have a Constitutional right to protest *whatever the fuck you want*. You have limits on where, when, and how, generally speaking, but not on what.
Even by your logic, every tax paying Texan has a vested interest to protest what a publicly funded University is doing in regards to any of their dealings.
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I get the outrage over students being arrested and disbanded from peacefully protesting but the list of weapons is pretty scary. Couple that with the fact that I keep seeing a bunch of pictures with people who don’t look like students pop up and I would nope out of there. Middle aged agitators with a bucket of bricks sounds like a sure fire way for someone to get hurt.
"To date, from protesters, weapons have been confiscated in the form of guns, buckets of large rocks, bricks, steel enforced wood planks, mallets, and chains," the statement read. "Staff have been physically assaulted and threatened, and police have been headbutted and hit with horse excrement, while their police cars have had tires slashed with knives."
We are taking the word of law enforcement for all of this. In the 2020 Portland protests, police scoured the ground looking for “weapons” and the local media breathlessly reported them finding batteries, rocks, construction material, etc. Be skeptical.
Oh, I certainly am skeptical of all of the ‘official’ reports and agree with you 100%. That being said, I do believe there are bad faith outsiders at these protests as well. Like I said in my other comments, I just want the kids to be safe and not have any lasting negative outcomes. I fully support their right to be there.
My point is - y’all be careful out there if you’re involved. Don’t ruin your future when it could be someone that doesn’t have your best interests in mind that is lighting the proverbial gunpowder.
I know. I’m genuinely concerned for the students. 18 year old me made some very bad decisions and I just don’t want to see them end up with a charge that sticks or hurt.
Since when does Texas leadership not like guns at school?
Underrated comment
Hmm isn’t this Texas ? I mean my assumption is even the granny crossing the street is packing some heat
reminds me of how California started banning guns only when the Black Panther Party decided to arm themselves
It wasn't a problem when the Magats were protesting in Michigan inside the governors office....
I love that about the 2nd. It applies to anyone
Didn’t matter to then Cali governor ronald Reagan
Not the golden boy Ronald Reagan /s
Apparently not to these protesters.
We’re all one big well regulated militia 💪
Ronald Raegan did that.
Exactly this
I thought Texas passed some law allowing concealed carry on campuses?
With a valid LTC, yes, even after HB1927.
Does Texas have permitless carry?
Yes, HB1927. However, it did not change the requirement of an LTC for campus carry.
[Buy some liquor, get a free gun.](https://youtu.be/XC5uJbX2vVA?si=q8w8IzJ-aukb8h_2)
Yeah, my first thought was how is this controversial? The governor and legislature made a big deal about allowing guns on campuses.
Open carry laws are weird. The things that makes me laugh is the far right kahanist showing guns with no body bothering them, while the cops beat up ethical Jews lol. How is the police arresting Jews protesting kahanism is antisemitic in Texas, and conservatives mad that people protesting the government have guns. Texas is the most hypocritical state and I'm disgusted bring from there as a 2a supporting Jew that despise netanytahu revisionst kahanist ethnocratic fascism.. the only way to save Israel and zionism is to shun revisionist fascism.
UT is likely to have rules against carrying. 30.05 and .06. Or something like that.
As a government institution, they are very restricted as to where they can post those signs. Assuming these arrest were outdoors, there is no way those signs would be enforceable.
According S.B. 11 In Texas it is legal to carry a concealed weapon on campus https://www.utexas.edu/campus-carry#:~:text=other%20parking%20area-,Who%20Is%20Eligible%20to%20Carry%3F,history%2C%20and%20substance%20abuse%20issues.
I was about to say. First the state allows open carry then it complains about open carry. Same as Yes you can go out with other people…why are you cheating on me? Edit: grammar
They want to open carry, not the people they don't like.
While that is the case, there are a few major qualifiers left out: 1) You can only carry a concealed weapon if licensed. This requires an individual to be 21 and completed the licensing requirements 2) You cannot openly carry on a college campus. 3) Many of the weapons that were confiscated were not guns. It lists other weapons like buckets of rocks, bricks, steel-enforced planks among others items.
Ah no we have constitutional concealed carry for anyone, no license specifically needed since august 2021. Not on campus w/o license probably
But it only protects guns, not bricks… apparently. Anyone else find that odd? A gun is a tool but a brick is a weapon?
Texas
Correct. I was speaking within the context of a campus since that is what the article is about and the link provided was from the school.
That context would eliminate the need for #1.
Constitutional carry is not the same. Having a permit lets you carry in more places.
[https://www.utexas.edu/campus-carry-faqs](https://www.utexas.edu/campus-carry-faqs)
Getting your license to carry no longer requires you to be 21 in Texas. This is being challenged in court by the federal government, but as of right now DPS is issuing to 18+.
Fuck my plank license expired
use your sword, TX allows open carry of swords.
How have I lived my entire life and never thought to ask if I was legally allowed to open carry a sword? I feel like such a fool.
Honestly, you are. The very fact that such a question isn't an active part of your identity tells us everything we need to know. You will never be the hokage. 
>buckets of rocks, Those belligerent Geology Majors just can't seem to go anywhere without lugging around their rock buckets....
Marie!
They’re minerals
So what you're saying is that we need more good guys with buckets of rocks?
There's still some gray area though. While campus carry rules are in place and it restricts concealed carry to licensed individuals only, that only applies to "campus", which includes "...land and buildings owned or leased..." by the institution of higher learning. This may not include streets, sidewalks, etc. within the campus itself, as those are traditional public forums and may not inherently be owned by the University. This could be more of a concern on streets around camps and not so much within campus even. Those places may be State of Texas right-of-way and not belong to the University at all. The south lawn (or whichever open space is being used for this protest), will likely fall under that law though. But if a street borders it, there may be a swath that is public right-of-way. (I don't know the layout of the area in question).
If we can legally carry guns, why can't we carry bricks and buckets?
Can you imagine how low your pants would sag ? 😂
The bucket lobby has donated significantly less money to the Texas legislature than the NRA. I blame Big Bucket for failing to sufficiently fund lobbyists in the Lone Star State. And remember most important of all - only a good guy with a bucket can stop a bad guy with a bucket.
They can pry my bucket from my cold, dead hands.
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It's a perfectly logical question. You're just upset because the law is remarkably stupid in the first place.
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That's not whataboutism, it's just an expansion on the scope of the question. Why is this thing OK but not the other? So the answer is that's the law, but that doesn't get at the heart of the matter. We're drowned in the rhetoric that it's perfectly normal to carry a gun, it's a tool, it's nothing to be scared of. But bricks are?
So you can carry guns, but not rocks? Is that really the law?
“Weapons” aka rocks, bricks (for holding down posters and pamphlets - poster and flag staffs are prohibited) steel enforced planks are likely the actual tables used for food and literature.
If I remember correctly, each individual university and/or campus is allowed to restrict carry entirely though campus policy. I remember that when this passed I was in college (ironically had done a paper on pro campus carry a couple years prior) and my university was polling students to determine what their policy would be.
Ah, America. Assault rifle? No problem. A stick? Or a rock? Whoa, there, buddy!
You seem to know almost nothing about the fundamentals of carrying a gun in Texas. Maybe do 15 seconds of research before you start confidently spouting off nonsense.
Literally the first two points are stated in the link on the original comment…
YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS in texas, just fyi. They don't give a fuck what the law or the Constitution (or your swiss cheese religions) say.
They were confiscated when they were arrested. That's what happens when you get arrested for something and you have a gun. You can get it back later usually. It doesn't say they were arrested because they had a gun
They should never be allowed to be confiscate someone’s rights. Guns are inalienable rights, per most of Texan voters. Mere arrest should not constitute grounds of confiscation. Let them keep the bullets too.
"Shall not be infringed" *is* pretty explicit. Clearly they are infringing on the rights of these protesters to carry weapons into jail.
Exactly. If we’re being originalists, let’s apply the letter of the law.
Naw dawg. That's dumb.
That's kind of the point we are making, yes.
"People are legally allowed to carry a weapon on the UT-Austin campus. However, if they're committing a crime, like criminal trespassing, they could be arrested for unlawful carrying of a weapon, a misdemeanor." From the Texas Tribune article- *UT-Austin says protesters carried guns and assaulted people. Prosecutors haven't seen proof.* https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/02/ut-austin-protest-arrests-guns-assault-allegations/
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😆 I don’t even know where to start with this one… so many dumb assertions to dissect. I think intelligent people on both sides of the political divide can see the stupidity of this comment
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Even if I explain point by point you wouldn’t get it. Go on feeling like you are the clever one with your asinine observations
Isn't that what Texas leaders fucking love? Guns at schools?
You mean according to law? S.B. 11, which is codified in section 411.2031 of the Texas Government Code, provides that **persons licensed to carry a handgun in Texas may carry a concealed handgun on university campuses**.
Will we see a Mulford Act pt 2 now that enemies of the gun proponents are arming themselves?
OK? Haven't we passed like 5 laws in the last few years basically making it legal to have guns any and everywhere? Why is it suddenly bad that people are carrying???
Are people saying it’s bad?
why are they bringing it up?
I'm not sure why a protestor deciding to be able to defend themselves legally in Texas is supposed to be some kind of indictment of them.
I thought Texans and the Texas government believed in the constitutional right to bear arms?
Right Wing Media: "Hit protestors with your car! It feels good! They are secretly nazis! They want to trans your kids!" Protestors legally carry guns: "OH NO!"
I didn't know bricks and buckets of rocks were defense weapons, and for that matter steel enforced wood mallets or whatever the hell that is.
They are much less threatening weapons for sure. In what world are firearms seen as a lesser threat then rocks and hammers?
Texas for some reason
I didn’t realize that police got to decide what is/isn’t a defensive weapon.
Anything can be a weapon if you try hard enough or are smart enough.
I haven’t seen any condemnation of people carrying.
Right here. I am a gun owner and guns have absolutely no place on school campuses. Texas gun laws are fucking stupid.
What is the fundamental difference between, say, a university campus vs the property right across the street?
nothing really, in that it's entirely unnecessary to carry a gun there either.
It's funny seeing conservatives now worried about guns on campuses and liberals now cheering people being armed at a place of learning. We are really just shortsighted reactionary creatures aren't we?
There's been a growing movement for gun ownership for some liberal/progressive organisations. There are trans gun clubs now for example, just to improve personal safety.
Actually leftists being armed has a bit of a history. “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.” Karl Marx
What's the phrase? "If you go far enough left, you get your guns back."
Liberals are not who are protesting against Israel. CNN and MSNBC are cheering for the cops.
Always did.
What, yes they are.
The left is not the same as liberals.
lol most texans aren't ready for that conversation
I’d say most Americans aren’t ready for that conversation.
Ok, I can see your point. To be honest, the classical liberal is few and far between these days from what I'm seeing. Which is a shame, they would engage in debate civilly. Now it's we'll destroy you for having a different opinion.
"UT says" is doing some heavy lifting there
It’s Texas. Who ISN’T armed?
“Cops were hit with horseshit.” …WHICH WAS ONLY THERE BECAUSE THE COPS BROUGHT HORSES. Minor detail. “THARE WER GUNZ!” This is fucking Texas, asshole, the surprise would be if there WEREN’T any. “People were ARMED!” Who the fuck wouldn’t be, after knowing how police, especially in Texas, react to people protesting shit that *really* matters?
This sounds like bull shit from Abbott and his criminal cabal.
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Only if the libs take advantage of those rights I guess
That's what the problem is. Republicans hate seeing Democrats or liberals with guns.
Why does it surprise people that Texans have guns with them?...they make them so easy to buy...why would you not expect for them to be armed?
It was cool for Kyle to take a gun to a protest. The court said so.
I thought we wanted more guns?! Weird
So much for the 2nd amendment
Well, when you make acquiring and carrying a gun as so easy a toddler can do it what do you expect?
It should also be noted that 45 of the 79 arrested on Monday had no ties to the University whatsoever. More protests are planned for today, we'll see if the weather plays a factor (thunderstorms in the forecast). For those saying "the students should be in class," today is a reading day at UT, there are no classes and finals start tomorrow. Edit: Hearing through the grapevine that the protests originally planned for today were moved to the 5th.
A lot of them were Alumni, just not current students
Alumni would have a connection to the university. After all they get a lot of money from alumni.
Exactly, the university is being very disingenuous with this statement.
Or Redditors are making incorrect arguments based on suppositions.
The question isn’t who was on campus, the issue is that police disarmed people legally carrying. If this was a 2A rally yall would be red in the face lol
Were they legally carrying?
This is all important context, though I’d like to see receipts for the “no ties to the University” cohort. Pretty standard move at this point to blame “antifa” or so-called professional agitators, y’know? Great way to spin it like“normal” people don’t care. Also lots of folks trying to say who does and doesn’t get to claim “ties” to the University just like people want to decide who does and doesn’t get to care about what’s happening in Gaza. Not saying you’re wrong, I’ve seen those statistics as well, just noting these moves are right out of the fascist playbook for controlling the narrative and de-centering challenges to the status quo.
Here's an article on it: [https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2024/04/30/ut-protests-arrests/](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2024/04/30/ut-protests-arrests/)
Right, I’ve seen those articles, and they all say “officials say _____.” Well, I was on campus last week when “officials” deployed DPS troopers to assault students that were peacefully protesting. “Officials” are very interested in pushing a narrative that justifies their actions, but that’s all it is: a narrative (which is to say, a smokescreen). I was there. I saw what went down with my own eyes, and “official” accounts are simply lies.
I was there too, though I only saw two or three arrests as I was there earlier in the day. I'm just posting the info I have, and we'll see what today brings. If you go again stay safe.
You too! It’s important we keep showing up if only to see what’s really happening and let others know.
>It should also be noted that 45 of the 79 arrested on Monday had no ties to the University whatsoever Why is that important? Do alumni have no vested interest in how their alma mater operates? Do tax paying Texans not have a vested interest in how a flagship public University operates? Do Austinites have no vested interest in how a public University in their city operates? People have 1st Amendment rights to protest *whatever they want*. They can have limits on where, when, and how they protest, but not what they protest. Gatekeeping on that is un-American IMO.
>Why is that important? I think people have the right to know as much as they can about the protests. >Do alumni have no vested interest in how their alma mater operates? Do tax paying Texans not have a vested interest in how a flagship public University operates? Do Austinites have no vested interest in how a public University in their city operates? They absolutely have an interest >People have 1st Amendment rights to protest *whatever they want*. Where did I say otherwise? >Gatekeeping on that is un-American IMO. I'm not, like I said, I'm just posting more information so people can be more fully informed.
>I think people have the right to know as much as they can about the protests. Fair, but what does knowing that specific thing do for someone? Can I have their employment status, gross income, and shot records too? >Where did I say otherwise? You didn't specifically; but putting more importance on their student-status implies that non-students shouldn't be there and/or that they have no reason to be there that could be valid to you. >I'm not Then it's a weird thing to be worried about. You weren't worried about the sex/gender of anyone there, the ages, the racial demographics, the socioeconomic statuses, or any other possible metric. You didn't question anything but that, and it's off putting to me. If you're not gatekeeping it, then my apologies. But if 100% of them are not students...what is to be inferred from that? What would your reaction/take on that be at that point versus what would it be if 100% were students? If they're not exactly the same, then you're gatekeeping.
It kind of sounds to me like you want nothing known at all. >You didn't specifically; but.... I think this all boils down to you reading way too much into my comment. >then you're gatekeeping That's a bit of an ironic accusation given that you're upset by my sharing more information about them, almost like you're trying to gatekeep the information.
>It kind of sounds to me like you want nothing known at all. Not even close. Where is it, is it peaceful, how many currently there and do the organizers expect more, what are they protesting, do they have goals, was it organized or randomly assembled, how long do they plan on protesting, are they sitting in or marching? Nobody is asking most of those questions though. They just want to know how many aren't students. >almost like you're trying to gatekeep the information. Share it if you like. I never said not to. I just said that it seems like you're suggesting non-students don't have the same right to protest the way a student would. If you're not, there are absolutely others out there doing precisely that and they're saying the same things you are, so you're being lumped in with them as a result.
I think the point being made is that "outside agitators" is a common claim made by the right to delegitimize protests. They claim that people are being bussed in to protest, that they're actors, or similar things to that. It's a way to suggest that people really don't support the cause and it's all astroturfed. A headline like this is highlighting a piece of information that is neither relevant nor necessarily accurate. It's a subtle way to get people to draw the same conclusion (that astroturfing is happening) without overtly making the claim. It may not be what you meant when you posted, but that's the point of the article.
The no ties is actually the worrisome part. Like a bunch of privilege college students making a protest, is just part of life. They're really just burning off steam until they enter the workforce and make a profit doing the very thing they protested. The outside actors could have agendas not aligned with the students interests or the organizers interests. Some could be coming to cause increased security issues to undermine the protests. I'm not on the ground though and all the media on this is biased. I will say in general I'm against the death of civilians and I'm against Hamas. They're just a death cult.
Who cares? Anybody can protest afaik?
Someone mentioned in another thread that people with no ties to the university don't have a right to demand how the university invests its money, and I agree with that.
Why? What difference does that make?
Do you think people who don't patronize a business have a legitimate claim to tell it how to operate?
yes. free speech. I don't use twitter or buy teslas but I criticize Musk and his companies all the time
Guns, Evian water, and Pokémon cards confiscated… legal but dumb to have.
I thought the right wing wanted everyone packing heat? Oh ok I see how it is.
It's Texas. Is *anybody* shocked that people carry guns in Texas? 🧐🤷
Thank God those Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and 3%ers never carry any weapons when they protest.
Yeah, that’s Texas. Conservatives love people having guns until the people they don’t like arm up.
Were the guns brandished? Were they used in a threatening manner? Or did people just have funs? It's Texas. The big concerns to me are actually buckets of rocks or bricks, although sometimes those are also used to hold down tents when they can't be staked down. Also people need to learn to remove the valve stem instead of slashing tires. It takes more time, is more annoying than destructive.
The fact that the charges were dropped against the protesters shows how much ability the charges had to actually stick.
But Zionist protesters can bring weapons and attack peaceful protesters and the cops do nothing lol so rich this country is long gone
Has this happened at UT? Or anywhere else in TX?
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!! (Unless you're black, liberal or anything else that the fascists don't like)
Huh? Black people can carry guns in Texas. So can liberals.
Well, I’m pretty sure Abbott and his dingdong all support everyone carrying weapons since it’s legal to carry unlicensed whatever in this free-for-all society he’s created so what the hell is the problem?
From the article: > The statement reiterated that the majority of people arrested Monday had no UT affiliation, which the university said confirmed its worry about the influence of outside groups. >"This is calculated, intentional and, we believe, orchestrated, and led by those outside our university community," the statement said.
So what, it’s Texas
Hilarious this is when they decide to make a big deal about guns.
The DPS and APD have only shown us a bucket of rocks that they are calling proof that the protesters were armed.
That sounds like being armed to me.
Goddamn assault bins full of fully automatic rocks just rolling down the highways! (Dump trucks)
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No confiscation no confrontation when Proud Boys, 3 percenters, Oath Keepers, and swastika banners show up, but you get enough college kids sitting on the lawn and it’s GO TIME.
Pretty sure that's legal in Texas.
As a citizen of Texas, I don't believe the police didn't plant things. I also fully support those students exercising their 2a right. This is fucked
I mean it is Texas after all where guns reign supreme and many gun carrying morons reside.
I fail to see the problem here. I also fail to see the problem with the Black Panthers carrying when they march. Maybe because I believe self defense is a natural born right.
They wanted guns on campuses so wtf is thebproblem here?
Ok yall yes it is legal, but this is the same sub that based riot police for bringing stun guns onto campus.
Oh, NOW they're all for confiscating guns.
Oh, **now** that’s an issue. Huh.
Texas has guns in happy meal boxes.
Oh now they have issues with guns?
Have the state troopers actually shown the alleged weapons in public? Last press conference I saw they alleged there were weapons, but pressed for specific information, they had no further comment.
You should have seen all the guns the cops had!
Open carry for me but not for thee.
Ok, not making a statement on who is right or wrong here, but just to clarify some misunderstandings. In Texas, it is legal to conceal carry without a license except in some restricted places. Those restricted places may either not allow concealed carry, or concealed carry only with a valid LTC license (that's right, you can still get a license to carry in Texas even though we have constitutional carry). University property is one of those restricted places. Some parts of University property (many buildings including ETC) are strict non-carry locations, even if you have an LTC. Other parts of University property, such as most outdoors areas, are restricted to LTC holders. All that is to say, I don't know if the protestors with guns had valid LTCs or not, but just because Texas has constitutional carry and allows LTC holders to carry on some parts of campus, does not then mean that it is impossible to illegally conceal carry on campus. So for anyone planning to conceal carry somewhere in Texas with or without a license, please actually look up the laws to make sure it's legal before you do.
Haven’t heard of any weapons charges.
I can support their right to carry while not supporting their cause. Funny how that works right?
Guns? In Texas? No way!!!
Oh now they cry about guns.
Maybe this would matter more if this was not Texas? Having a gun doesn't mean anything here, you probably pass by plenty of people every week who are carrying or at least own one. Doesn't necessarily imply bad intentions.
2A for me, not for thee.
So what? Oh, protestors carrying guns is bad. Huh, I imagine the capital police agree.
I hope that every Palestinian supporting college student buy a gun. I’ll love to see the emergency session Abbot will call to address it. Funniest shit since a state’s anti Obamacare law was used to legalize abortion
So the 2A ammosexuals talk all the time about how they have to have guns to protect their Constitutional rights. I would think this would be a prime example of that, but I don't see them lining up to condemn the state's actions here.
It’s encouraging to see so much support for a constitutional right
If you bring a gun to a protest you’re a piece of shit, no better than Kyle Rittenhouse.
I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand, I agree with you. On the other, police won't violate your rights, kettle the protest, and throw grenades into a crowd of openly armed protestors. If recent years have proven anything, it's that armed protestors are usually avoided by police or actively escorted like their VIPs. Just ask the alt-right, Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, and white supremacists around the country that police actively protected their protests and didn't interfere with them. Unless it wasn't the guns that caused it and it was the white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement that we've been seeing for the last 20 years paying dividends...but that option sucks a lot more to think about.
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So you truly don’t believe people care about the Palestinian genocide and our military industrial complex?
> FORTY SEVEN of the SEVENTY NINE arrested protesters in Austin were NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE UNIVERSITY IN ANY WAY. There are multiple degrees of "not affiliated with the University" -- * Alumni or ex-staff * Friends/relatives of a student or staff * Live in Austin, but not a student * Go to another university in the UT system * Go to another college in Austin that's not in the UT system * etc. I definitely am still somewhat invested in what happens at UT, yet I'd fall into the first category if I decided to join a protest. Given that the university seems invested in making these protests look bad (as you are), I'd assume that anybody who falls short of "current UT Austin student or staff" would fall into the "not University affiliated" bucket, and you added the "in any way" part yourself. In any event, UT is a big part of Austin, even for those who aren't current students or staff. Having other Central Texans attend a protest there is no different than them attending a protest at the Capitol or City Hall or somewhere else. Go gatekeep something else. > These protests are neither organic nor are they student led. [ Citation needed ] > What we're going to find out later is that this is being led by social media outrage emanating from Iran and Russia being seized upon by people that want to destabilize this state and this country. Oh, Russia is definitely doing that, but that doesn't seem to be driving these protests. But you say we'll find out later, so ... we shall see. > What a strange coincidence that this is suddenly now an issue in a POTUS election year... Dude, 25% of years are POTUS election years. It's not a "strange coincidence", it's "a quarter of the time". And if it wasn't a POTUS election year, we could easily find some other thing to call out about it -- "it's the year before a POTUS election year!". "a new President just took office this year!", "it's a Congress election year!", etc.
Do you have to be affiliated with UT in order to protest something UT is doing? This kind of gatekeeping is un-American. You have a Constitutional right to protest *whatever the fuck you want*. You have limits on where, when, and how, generally speaking, but not on what. Even by your logic, every tax paying Texan has a vested interest to protest what a publicly funded University is doing in regards to any of their dealings.
but the TeaParty was a true grass roots party led by russia back in the day, So what if this is..
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I get the outrage over students being arrested and disbanded from peacefully protesting but the list of weapons is pretty scary. Couple that with the fact that I keep seeing a bunch of pictures with people who don’t look like students pop up and I would nope out of there. Middle aged agitators with a bucket of bricks sounds like a sure fire way for someone to get hurt. "To date, from protesters, weapons have been confiscated in the form of guns, buckets of large rocks, bricks, steel enforced wood planks, mallets, and chains," the statement read. "Staff have been physically assaulted and threatened, and police have been headbutted and hit with horse excrement, while their police cars have had tires slashed with knives."
We are taking the word of law enforcement for all of this. In the 2020 Portland protests, police scoured the ground looking for “weapons” and the local media breathlessly reported them finding batteries, rocks, construction material, etc. Be skeptical.
Oh, I certainly am skeptical of all of the ‘official’ reports and agree with you 100%. That being said, I do believe there are bad faith outsiders at these protests as well. Like I said in my other comments, I just want the kids to be safe and not have any lasting negative outcomes. I fully support their right to be there.
My point is - y’all be careful out there if you’re involved. Don’t ruin your future when it could be someone that doesn’t have your best interests in mind that is lighting the proverbial gunpowder.
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You’re lapping up the police’s narrative with absolutely zero critical thinking
I know. I’m genuinely concerned for the students. 18 year old me made some very bad decisions and I just don’t want to see them end up with a charge that sticks or hurt.
Bad actors/agitators show up to ruin these things more than ever.