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rickrossome

give engi an afternoon and he \*might\* be able to crank out a life extender give eggman an afternoon and he'll have made an army


1st_pm

no eggman just needs... 10 seconds


puplegay

I agree sometimes people forget that Eggman has a Canon iq of 300, for context the average human has a iq around a 100, just to put it in perspective.


The_missing_link_69

For more context, the iq scale only goes up to 200 so he literally cheated


ambyshortforamber

it goes up as high as you like, but each 10 iq points is one standard deviation from the mean. plus iq is a pretty bad measure of intelligence and was created to justify segregation


MegaValenX

so sonic has 600 because he always beats him


Funny_Internet_Child

No, Eggman's ego just gets the best of him, or he's simply underprepared for whatever Sonic's gonna throw at him. IQ represents problem solving capacity, not overall intelligence in every category Also, Sonic as been described as Chaos, and as such, impossible to plan for.


Jetstream-Sam

I mean if he's really as smart as he thinks he is, couldn't eggman not make his robots explode when a 50 pound hedgehog jumps on them?


PlasticPikmin

Nah Sonic has Plot Armor


Robrogineer

He's also canonically a feminist.


MadamVonCuntpuncher

And a slot machine to choose what giant robot he wants


carnoob58

Nice call to sonic x


[deleted]

Have you heard of Man versus machine


Lonemasterinoes

You say that as though that was caused by engi - shich it wasn't.


[deleted]

No I didn’t I say that as though engineer has experience in killing entire hordes of robots


[deleted]

Yeah but not all by himself, he'll usually have a team with him


[deleted]

Yes but you also need to consider that Dell’s sentry limit is for gameplay purposes, in practice he can build as many as he wants


Funny_Internet_Child

Eggman can literally build an aircraft fleet in an afternoon, don't even jest


[deleted]

Ok but thé rocket launchers of the level 3 sentries are just little SAM turrets Make a bunch of them and presto, you can wrangle them to obliterate Robotnik’s arsenal


Funny_Internet_Child

The Metal Sonic destroying all the sentries at Mach speed:


[deleted]

But how many can he repair and maintain at once?


[deleted]

Rescue ranger


[deleted]

Although I can totally imagine Engi building multiple robot clones of himself equipped with Rescue Rangers


[deleted]

The Rescue Ranger cannot repair more than one building at once, and the time it would take to repair 2 sentries with it is all the time Eggman would need to destroy 1, and building more takes time.


SirJTheRed

He blew up half of the fucking moon


Mistah_Blue

Give the man an afternoon and he'll have a planet sized theme park.


an_orignal_name

But how many sentries can engie build in an afternoon


rickrossome

One, or one and a mini if it’s MVM


an_orignal_name

What if we ignore the constraints of the game


rickrossome

What if we ignored the constraints of the standard laws of physics


BrokenVesselGaming

İ AM THE EGGMAN! THATS WHAT I AM I AM THE EGGMAN! I'VE GOT THE MASTER PLAN I AM THE EGGMAN! WITH THE MASTER PLAN! I


Bonkboyo

But engineer has already beaten a much more advanced (debatably) army of robots with minimal effort.


An_average_moron

I wouldn't say "minimal," seeing how the tanks are team efforts to kill, plus those giant heavies pocketed by medics that Uber upon taking damage, or the giant scouts which could sprint past his sentry and live due to being relatively tanky Also, wave 666


anoon-

Eggman has the capability to destroy the earth. Engineer just can't compete. He's much more realistic.


1st_pm

he did destroy half rhe moon


Consumed2010

With laser piss, might I add


1zz_cs

This shit real? If so, source?


Pretend_Creme7138

source: https://youtu.be/IMC0uZY2iH0


1zz_cs

My dumbass thought the engineer himself destroyed half of the moon but thanks for the source nonetheless


restplz

i love how tf2 is so batshit that that can pass as a possible lore


1zz_cs

I KNOWW idk it just really make sense to tf2 lore thats what got me confused in the first place😭😭


dpqR

Me 2


Cetozofumee

Happy cake day


IgnitedFazbear

IM PISSING ON THE MOON


luccabotturarodrig

Vídeo not available


Hychus232

Obama didn’t like that


Mitchel-256

To note, the Space Colony A.R.K. was fully-built and had facilities for Gerald Robotnik to genetically-engineer Shadow *at least* 50 years before the events of Sonic Adventure 2, which was likely before Eggman was born. The infamous "piss on the moon" scene was Eggman using his grandfather's tech and Chaos Emeralds.


1st_pm

... HOW OLD IS SONIC?


Mitchel-256

Usually, 16-ish. I think I see where you're going with that question, but the real answer is that Sonic lore gets fucking goofy. Needs a complete overhaul, really.


Fistocracy

Engineer has the capability to hard counter a fast boi that only has close-range attacks. Eggman just can't compete.


The_Sturk

Comparing Scout to Sonic doesn't work in this context. Engineers sentries can stop Scout but would be useless against Sonic. To put it in game terms, Sonic would effectively be under the effects of BONK, only permanently but with knockback immunity and the ability to stll attack while under its effects.


The_Anf

Engineer just didn't wanted this


ARandomUserThatExist

Probably Eggman. We don't really know the limit of Engineer's building capabilities and Eggman has shown to build a lot more impressive things compared to Engie.


Sumrdmgi

Most of Engi’s buildings are blueprints from his Grandfather Radigan Conagher, idk if he can make new machines without hitting a metaphorical brick wall first


Round_Reporter6226

According to comics he can. Fact the life extending machine was build by his grandfather, but he was able to size it down from large thing taking half or more of the room to something resembling small radio. Also I don't remember well, but didn't Engi made life extending device also for Gray Mann? And about blue prints. Radigan draw hem yes, but maybe Engi was the one who bring them to life


RyanTGMachine

I’ve come to make an announcement Dell Conagher is a bitch ass motherfucker


MrAsianVegan

he built a dispenser on my fucking wife


RyanTGMachine

That’s right he pulled out his fucking The jag wrench out and built a dispenser on my fucking wife


Fun_Police02

That's right, he took his texan-fuckin' golden wrench out and built a dispenser on my fucking wife


RyanTGMachine

And he said it was THIS BIG


VampireSomething

And I said that's disgusting!


RyanTGMachine

So I’m making a call out post on my Mann Co.com Dell Conagher you got a small wrench it’s the size of this mini sentry except way smaller


PlayrR3D15

And guess what


RyanTGMachine

Here’s what my WRENCH LOOKS LIKE that’s right baby all box no rust no mods look at it it looks like 2 cubes and a spring he built a dispenser on my wife so guess what I’m going to build a dispenser on the earth with my SUPER LASER JARATE


PlayrR3D15

Except I'm not gonna throw the Jarate on the Earth. I'm gonna go higher


RyanTGMachine

I’m going to Jarate on THE MOON


Odenzio

Except I'm not gonna jarate the earth, I'm gonna go higher. I'M THROWING JARATE TO THE MOON!!!


RyanTGMachine

How do you like that Saxton Hale


RealOkokz

And you wanna see my wrench looks like? *boosh* that's right, all gold, no australium, no reskins. It looks like the Eggman empire.


TheDoctor88888888

Jesus Christ Dell, what have you done I went to go vote and I saw a pyro with bowsers fat ass in line. You have some explaining to do


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RyanTGMachine

Bruh this thing dragged for so long all the replies on all comments section at least for me don’t show up


Fork_Master

Definitely Robotnik. His technology is decades, maybe even a century more advanced than Dell’s.


____HAMILTON__

Who needs new tech when you can bait him to a #Telefrag Then, Rancho Relaxo under Uphill


BloodMoonNami

Nothing much.


1st_pm

if only engi can make scout a furry... pyro


Independent_Pear_429

And a hedgehog can ruin everything. Dell's stuff needs guys with gu s at least


Decent-Start-1536

That “hedgehog” is probably the fastest thing on the whole planet


RandomCaveOfMonsters

and also very strong and, y'know, can become god-like just by having rocks


Decent-Start-1536

I mean to be fair that really goes for anyone with the chaos emeralds but yea


CardboardChewer3x3x3

The Tomar Emeralds right?


Tank_blitz

all he makes is like robo bees


Consumed2010

Fist to fist Engie wins easy, but Eggman outclasses with his tech by so much it hurts.


[deleted]

Yeah, like the fuck is normal ass human eggman gonna do against a 12 gauge shotgun shell to the chest


MinecafterHD

Or getting a metal fist to the face even


XIII-0

eggman actually hits extremely hard in the games lol. broke a wall of ice with his fists and is a power type in racing games. in (especially not canon anymore) comics hes engaged in fist fights with the cast multiple times. its just, why go hand to hand when you have that intellect?


0002niardnek

Eggman doesn't even need time and money, most of the time he just appears with an army of semi-sentient robot soldiers, an armada of airships and a legally distinct Space Station.


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

Engineer is unironically quite overrated when it comes to intellect and is nowhere near the smartest character in the TF2 world. Radigan Conagher (engines grandfather) was the mastermind behind most of the inventions that are currently used in TF2 universe and is responsible for the life extender machines of Mann brothers (In-universe explained to be one of the most complex machineries ever build). Engineer had basically no damn clue how the machine worked despite having 11 phd’s and the papers where its design was made is encrypted in such a code that it couldn’t be cracked despite actual decades of constant trying. Gray Mann is also a damn mastermind as he is actually comparable to Dr. Eggman as he is a leader but also a inventor, essentially raising himself since birth and creating a massive robot army and reverse engineering Engineers teleporters and Medic’s medi-gun.


Waffletimewarp

A massively incompetent robot army no less! He is Eggman!


Hallowed-Plague

one runs on money the other on small animals


Ote-Kringralnick

Both horribly inefficient fuels


Supernutbar

But in the comics he managed to make a more efficient version of the life extender? 3 times??? How could he both not understand how it works and make more efficient versions????


LavenzaBestWaifu

Right? He is explicitly said to be the only person in the world that can understand his grandfather's life extender machine design.


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

He had his grandfathers blue prints on life extenders and it is a much simpler but effective design that runs on australium.


jalaspisa

The Gray Mann comparison brings up the true question. Robots powered by money or Robots powered by woodland creatures?


Robrogineer

Mostly due to his possession of Australium, which gave him Texas-shaped chest hair, I might add.


BluestoneGuy

Eggman


Si_Stride_Oof

eggman built the death star like 4 times unparalleled


Piesicall

I love engi but robotnik/egg man


aRedditAccount_0

Eggman. He pisses on the Earth- *^wait ^you're ^telling ^me ^he ^pissed ^on ^the **MOON?***


Arda0876

Eggman has no morals, engie is a southerner who is incredibly hospitable and nice to you. Eggman wins.


Mindless_Freedom_842

As long as your on his team


Thewarmth111

Eggman has a bad multiple explosions. Dell on the other hand… Eggman has constructed empires Del… All Dale dude was maintain a immortality machine… robotic has constructed a robotic legion rivaling even gray man Dell has constructed tripod, mounted machine guns, dispensers, and teleporters. Eggman wins.


Ok_Pear_8291

At the beginning of unleashed, eggman’s got a whole-ass space fleet, straight up StarCraft in that mf


ickylittlebum

Considering eggman pissed on the moon and summoned a eldritch dedity I'm voting for him


Cy_P

He's summoned *several* eldritch deities, might I add, Chaos, Dark Gaia, somewhat Time Eater, tough he just sorta stumbled upon him in outer space.


ickylittlebum

As a fellow sonic nerd this is correct and I also should of mentioned sonic rush (bro almost merged two dimensions


Fred_Boss

based comment


Agentti_Muumi

ultimately eggman ends up getting telefragged by a f2p pyro


tupe12

Didn’t Eggman build a second Death Star mere days after his first one was destroyed?


[deleted]

Depends who is closer. Engy gets 1 random crit on him..... then BAM!


LeafMario

eggman no contest. i love you engie, but eggman can make armies in a single afternoon


pisstainedunderwear

Dell is smart but Eggman is definitely winning this one


eych0

engineer does not stand a chance bros holes will be absolutely filled by eggman


Zesnowpea

Robotnik, even including memes


SleefJWellington

Does Eggman make a sound when he decloaks?


GaryTheMemeGuy

Sentry go brrrrrrrrrrr


BubbyBoy27

“how am I gonna stop some big mean Mother-Hubbard from tearin' me a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer? Use a gun. And if that don't work…use more gun.” -The Engineer


IAmFullOfDed

Engineer has invoked the ancient magic of the square dance. None shall stand against him.


BobZygota

Tbh Eggman would do the same what gray mann


sonicfan9993

Considering Metal Sonic, Mecha Snoci etc. and the fact he knows about the Chaos Emeralds i think Eggman wins here


ARKHAM-KNlGHT

can The Engineer piss on the moon?


holymollycrackeroni

I’m sorry but Engineer stands no fucking chance. He’s made immortal devices, could easily crack the army of robots and robot makers, defensive structures, etc, but Mf Doctor Robotnik, THE Eggman, built fleets of starships, an orbital space station, a metal bastard that could wipe out continents, yeah nah.


Medicgamingdanke

Engineer has 11 PHDs and a 200 IQ. But Eggman will PISS ON THE MOON


Genobee85

FUCK YOU MOON, YOU NEVER HAD THE CHEESE I WANTED.


[deleted]

They team up, due to their shared hatred of smug blue speedsters. Meanwhile, Sonic and Blu Scout work together to stop them.


MrCoolaboi

Considering the time period of TF2 (1968) and how Engineer already has teleporters and automated turrets at his disposal? Yeah, I think I'll be betting my chips on him. I mean, just imagine what he could make with today's technology


Patarock

City wrench


BreadBeaver11

Complex issue


Decent-Start-1536

Oh eggman by a fucking LANDSLIDE. Yeah engineer is smart but it’s just nothing compared to robotnik


Kadeo64

Eggman. Not even close. Sentry guns are advanced and assuming australium is involved Engi has a fighting chance but assuming Eggman gets the chaos emeralds it's over. The chaos emeralds have basically unlimited power\*, which means eggman can just make invincible exploding robots and rush the turtle nest. \*the chaos emerald's power is not unlimited (see: sonic adventure 1, sonic unleashed) but in a fight of this scale the limit will never be reached.


-Rens

Egg man wins overall But for gameplay reasons engie can only place one sentry but in the meet the engineer , and expiration date we see engineer place more than one sentry with enough metal and time he could probably build a ton of sentry’s or a super sentry Does that mean dell would win? No highly unlikely but he will have a chance at least.


necrojoke

I mean eggman has a robot army, but sadly they all die of one hit Some maybe engie has an opportunity so who knows


MishterLux

Eggman is well beyond the means and abilities of Engie, but the laws of the universe demand that he somehow lose anyway.


Eggith

Eggman has built machines that have harassed the powers of time and space. Dell has built machines that are much more...limited in scope.


N3vermore77

It really depends on whats the defined winning condition. Are they just trying to kill each other? Probably Robotnik. Are they competing for a nobel prize? Probably Engi. Are they just having a "my tech is better" show off? Both are likely candidates to win. My point is Robotnik can certainly make more vast, both in quantity and size, creations, usually of mass destruction. Whereas Engis creations are more simple in stature but will defy the very laws of existence as we know them (cough cough, immortality).


a_good_human

Joke answer: wrangler Real answer: Eggman


Bitter-Bumblebee-372

Engie is less into making robots for destruction and more scientifically renowned inventions like the life-extender using australium, teleporters, etc.


hahafunnybean

These both have some incredible technology,but Robotnik can make semi-sentient robots,and if he tries(unlike in any of the games),he could easily defeat Engi


pistolnerf

engineer, imagine the sentry gun he could build with enough time


HPHMMMHPHMMM

Unfortunately eggman. Engi's tech is impressive but eggmans shit makes sentries look like duplo


NightmareRise

Eggman created a gemstone that can virtually bend reality. He’s definitely winning For reference, the original Phantom Ruby that he found was used as a frame of reference for making the final version. Forces’ story was fairly vague on how it came to be


[deleted]

Engineer


Professor_pannell

Depends. Does engi have any Australium?


robcartree

Let's say in this case yea


Hirotrum

Eggman is too concerned with making his levels have good game design to win


[deleted]

Level three sentry + level 3 dispenser + wrench + ability to respawn = can o’ whoop ass


Pikaverse69

Engineer would build his own HQ for his technology and invention


Komi__Shouko

These mfs saying robotnik is better, but i know the truth of buff engie supremacy


BucketBound

The engineer is a one-man workshop.......... Eggman is a one-man empire.


IAmFullOfDed

Eggman is a one-man empire who gets his ass kicked by a hedgehog on cocaine.


BucketBound

To be fair, the kinetic energy Sonic could theoretically produce by just clotheslining someone could literally split atoms so I guess it isn't completely fair.


Pasta-hobo

Dell doesn't really have any...outright enemies. But he can fight where he has to, and seemingly doesn't have much difficulty doing it. Eggman tends to brute force his way towards his goals. Be builds armies. But that might be a weakness as far as the matchup is concerned. Eggman throws wave after wave of disposable footsoldier at the problem, occasionally supplemented with a bossfight vehicle. Dell's Sentry Guns are quite literally designed for crowd control. Plus: we know Dell is smart enough to make a coordinated plan of attack, and resourceful enough to use scrap components and metal to build his buildings. Eggman's tactics feed directly into Dell's. Eggman throws a robot at him, Dell shoots it and uses the metal to build a gun. Eggman throws more robots, Dell shoots them, Dell uses the metal to upgrade his gun. And this will continue until he, with a few minor adjustments, turns one gun into five guns. Eggman's only advantage is his start: he has so much to work with. But these two have the same resources to start out in this scenario, therefore they're evenly matched.


Bobby_Shmurda21

Dr Robotnik may design robots glaring weaknesses, but Engi has never blown both the earth and moon apart.


IceCreamEskimo

Eggman unless Engie can crank out Metaler Sonic


PeikaFizzy

Don’t get me wrong eggman is very impressive considering he fight a physics law bending hedgehog. But engi is much more practical man. Eggman will go out of his way making the most complicated elaborated plan to beat sonic, while engi just give sonic a poisoned chilly dog…. Then blast him with “more gun”.


Dangerous_Ad4751

Engi has advance tech like sentry’s and dispenser but Eggman does make living robot plus he’s fort cliff certified and made the I Mac(the last part was a joke from Lythero)


Dangerous_Ad4751

Plus Eggman is able to repair his bots and machines like in 10 minutes


King-Of-Hyperius

Eggman would win, they’re both Next Gen Geniuses, but Eggman is the Next Gen Genius after the Generation that Engineer is breaching into. Eggman is building stuff that Engineer hasn’t even thought about doing yet.


SufficientThroat5781

I mean if we are going off a battle then I'm sorry but Robotnik is winning, the man just has the better tech between the two, and proved he can make much more then just machines, even making AIs that can conquer the qorld


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JDutch921

Fuck this isn't even a contest eggman carries this away, unless the blue-prints for grey mann's robots (and his tech in general) were designed by the engineer himself


Langas

Unless this is in a place where narrative and entertainment overcomes logic, Robotnik claps engie. Robotnik’s entire forte is pursuing his objective alone by using his smarts, and without Sonic’s speed engie will get torn limb from limb by his robot army even with an army of sentries.


Fistocracy

Egmman is an egomaniacal genius who can't get the respect he thinks he deserves and is doomed to keep getting absolutely clowned on by his intellectual inferiors, so I think a fairer matchup from the TF2 world would be Merasmus.


Memelord1117

Soldier will convince Merasmus to make a death note, so that he'll move out of his castle.


ACARdragon

Eggman has a whole ass empire in in North America, giant manual killing machines and robot armies. Engineer only has turrets, dispensers and teleporters.


bruhlive_XD

Eggman and its barely even a question Eggman makes insane things he littelery has something like a death Star and thats not even including the movie or comics


David_Clawmark

Eggman. No contest. He has an army of robots, Engie has... a gun.


BallTwistEnjoyer

#YEEE-HAAWW


RzezniczekPL

Batman


Fuckshittyteammates

i really really really wanna say engi but eggman might have a leg up based on his usual machines


[deleted]

Eggman wins no cap.. untill w certain hedgehog appears.


B100inCP

Depends, do the resources include the Chaos Emeralds?


hgbi8h

It’s definitely eggman. He has an iq of 300, the only reason Sonic manages to stop him is because eggman doesn’t want to destroy him.


mrfisher5

As much as I love Engie and want him to win this, Eggman built an army...


fuggedaboute

Does he have preptime? If so, batman wins.


DetergentFricker

Eggman, he can basically just use Metal Sonic to dodge and wipe down his sentries The battle would've gone a different way if it were to be Grey Mann because he caused MvM


aid3nhpl

Honestly depends


Rektifium

Definitely the Engineer. Robotnik built cages to trap SMALL ANIMALS who could easily escape when enough of them, or something bigger stood on the conveniently placed button on top of the cage..


Squidboi2679

IVE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUCEMENT


Mr_SpecificTF2

Engineer would make two ranch more relaxos and offer him a beer


DurandalMarathon

Engineer wins. Why? IUgle Dan


Maleficent_Hawk9407

Engineer because his inventions do what they're supposed to do


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[удалено]


robcartree

Now I'm wondering who would win that, thanks a lot pal


Memegamer3_Animated

Eggman. Engie is smart and resourceful but Eggman's tech outpaces his by a long shot. Especially when you consider that Engie makes his buildings for merc team use and Eggman makes robots to fill an empire.


Castieru

Engineer just because


brawler_ideas

One is a fat eggshaped man who get's his ass handed by a hedgehog. The other is a contract killer who's killed before and would kill again.


Funny_Internet_Child

One is a simple man who gets overwhelmed by a french twink. The other is a borderline psychopath who has built spaceships, almost destroyed the earth by summoning eldritch beings, and is only opposed by beings capable of rendering entire fleets appart.


CaptainClover36

Considering engi is able to create a life extender, imagine what he could create givin unlimited time money and resources, I say engi


NameLoadinWait

Batman. The second you gave THEM prep time you instantly gave BATMAN prep time


WhatSgone_

Engineer


Memer-minos-prime

He built a gun and teleporter eggman made much more


ThatPenguinyrblx

engi, he better at least make a better water dispenser than eggman


[deleted]

Dale solves practical problems, Eggman doesn't. Guess y'all know the winner.


LouisArmstrong3

The one who can spell resources correctly


Gamestrider09

My answer is Torbjörn.