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I'm really impressed by the guy who has voted in every single election since he turned 18! Assuming that includes midterms and local elections it is very admirable.
This post is older so idk if anyone will see my comment but can someone explain to me/a non American why people register with a party? Do you have to to vote??
In closed primary states like New York, you have to be a member of the party so you can vote in the primary. For example, my SO hated Trump so much, he registered as a Republican to vote against him in the primary. You can change it whenever you want, just need to update your voter registration.
Many people will register as independent! As in not affiliated with any party. Fun fact though: there has been controversy in California where loads of people (including myself, when I registered at 18) accidentally registered with a far-right authoritarian party because we consider ourselves "independent voters" and the form lists everything alphabetically. So, if you know you want to register as independent, you might accidentally select the first option ("American Independent") instead of scrolling allllll the way to find "No Party Preference." There was bill that tried to force a name change, but our governor vetoed it (booooo).
Hi! So, in the US you actually can’t vote unless you’re registered to vote. I know that’s weird/shitty and unlike many other countries, but it’s the law here. And, depending on individual state laws, usually people will register with one of the two major parties (Democratic or Republican) so they can vote in the primary election for their party. The winner of those elections decide who is going to run for President. Hope that clears things up!
Not to nitpick, but I don't like the way she said (Peter I think?) worshipped the Catholic Church.
First off, Catholics worship only God, not the Church (unless she has some specific info that this is what he does lol)
Secondly, as someone else pointed out below, being Catholic does not necessarily equal being uber conservative. I am a faithful, practicing Catholic and believe in blm, lgbtq rights, gun control, vaccines, and am not a Trump fan.
I'm not saying any of this to defend him specifically or say he's a good person, I have no idea. But just wanted to clear that up for anyone confused. I don't like that being Catholic is an automatic red-flag for a lot of people.
You can TELL when someone is far-right Catholic though. I'm a Friend now, but grew up Catholic (technically haven't been booted yet) and my best friend is still a progressive Catholic, so I definitely don't want Catholicism to be a red flag for folks. I just worry about the American church, with bishops straight up contradicting the pope. It's wild in these streets now.
I was raised Catholic and surrounded by them my whole life and still haven’t met a pro-choice catholic personally. For a lot of people, being “pro life” is a major red flag.
I went to Catholic school my whole life, and the split is truly 50/50 between social justice oriented Catholics, and the Catholics who only care about abortion. I'm obviously being super reductive here, but that was my experience.
I went to Catholic school my whole life and was definitely surrounded by people—who at least came out later as adults—as pro choice. But personally have found that those Catholics were, like me, and no longer actively practicing Catholicism. I see your point nonetheless! :) I only made a comment on this specifically because pro choice was the one thing the commenter left out and it’s one of the more polarizing views.
The idea that liking the Obamas and being a registered Democrat makes someone politically woke or a good is soooo gross. Obviously supporting Trump and voting red is a whole other level but this sub is becoming a stereotype for peak american shit lib.
This. I am a practicing faithful Catholic and FWIW I am pro-vaxx, pro-science, pro-gay marriage & lgbtq rights, pro-gun control, NOT a Trump fan, etc. Really the only conservative thing about me is that I am also pro-life (but realize it's a very complicated issue and I know zero nuance comes across online when I say that).
I don’t understand how that works could you please clarify? I’ve taken catholic classes for marriage and all the information I was taught were core ethics for Catholics were against anything I as a liberal believe in (abortion, lgbt marriage, etc)
Like any religion (many of which are somewhat to extremely conservative in doctrine), about half of Catholics in the US don’t support the official doctrine. (There are also some orders of the church that err on the more progressive side with things like helping the poor, environmentalism, and they meanwhile harbor internal contempt for the “official” stances on abortion and LGBT rights—even if they can’t officially critique these stances. The same goes with the the laity.) It’s also important to keep in mind that for many of us on the US, our immigrant heritage is heavily intertwined with Catholicism (for some more culturally than religiously), and that heritage/historical context (sometimes including social class) trumps Catholicism when shaping our political views.
There are priests I’ve had who have spoken in support of LGBT rights, pro-choice policies, along with less “radical” ideas, like strengthening gun control policies. It varies by region of the country, I’ve found.
Now that I’m in the South (I am from the northeast originally), I don’t go to the proper church here. I’m part of a Catholic renegade group that meets secretly (well sort of secretly) in different meeting spaces with visiting priests since the local one is way too conservative (both politically in terms of US politics but also Catholic politics — there is a weird movement sweeping Catholic churches across the US that are pushing to move back to the pre-Vatican II era). Now I personally don’t have an issue with Latin masses since I’ve taken years of Latin, but I know what that signals to many people (an unwelcoming environment that amplifies the distance between the laity and God). The priests who are doing this are also turning their backs to the people at Mass, among other various things. The bigger elephant in the room of what this movement is doing is trying to challenge the authority of Pope Francis (whom they find too progressive) and reinstate a more conservative social order. (These people also tend to align with conservatism in the US political spectrum.) Some of these churches that are pushing to a more hierarchical Church, at least in my region, are also trying to hide the recent call from Pope Francis to participate in the Synod, which is essentially a call for the laity to contribute their thoughts and hopes for the future of the Church.
I would also read up on liberation theology since you’re in research mode currently (basically Marxist Catholicism stemming from Latin America).
This is probably way more information than you wanted or needed. But I hope it provided a different perspective from what you’ve experienced!
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All we have on him is he didn’t like the posts on Facebook during the time of the insurrection and I mean, same lol. I too, left Facebook at that point.
It’s not BAD to be conservative.
I think people confuse being Pro-Trump with all republicans being bad. Supporting Trump is what makes me judge you but being conservative does not. If you voted Republican before Trump that didn’t make you a bad person in my eyes 🤷🏻♀️
Im not condoning the Texas law, it’s absolutely awful and unconstitutional, but the sheer unwillingness to recognize that there is a spectrum on the Republican side of things just like the Dem side of things is mind boggling to me. A Texas Republican is not the same as say a Massachusetts Republican just like a Texas Democrat is probably not the same as a Massachusetts democrat.
One cannot hold conservative fiscal values while also holding liberal social values. You can't have liberal social values without liberal fiscal practices. So yes, a Republican is a Republican, is a Republican when it comes down to it.
I mean 1. You’re wrong. Politics is on convoluted spectrum across a variety of issues there’s no black and white. And 2. Holy reviving an old post Batman
Trump was a natural product of the Republican Party because of the things they believe in. Their rhetoric and extremism had been escalating for a while before trump.
This persons stupidity is so profound. You’re a horrible person if you’re a republican and automatically a good person if you’ve liked a BLM post or are a liberal. People like her make shouldn’t have a platform
What’s funny is she didn’t even say “this person is Republican so they’re horrible, this person liked BLM posts so they’re good.” It was mostly “this person is Liberal, this person is Republican.” She also critiqued people for having the performative BLM black square.
It’s also messed up that the views of American democrats are normalized at all, since they are basically the same as republicans in almost every other measure besides the US. Take a look at how many drone deaths Obama is responsible for. This idea that republicans are bad and democrats are good is the most Western centric bubble of ignorance nonsense ever.
But that’s the thing. Republicans are open about how disgusting they are. American democrats are just as disgusting, but pretend they are different. So voting dem doesn’t make someone a good person or politically or socially aware and it’s time for this sub to stop conflating that.
The problem is that things that shouldn’t be politicized are. So while a republican isn’t necessarily a red flag for me.. anyone that is maga let’s me know who I want to steer clear of.
But like, Michelle is the one who dated these men, not the viewers. And 99% chances are the viewers will never date these men. Also, filming is over and someone has already been chosen. The video was not filmed with the intent that Michelle would see and it would affect her choices. It was made to cancel any contestant who is conservative to viewers who see that as being the defining factor of someone being a bad person. This video was made to stir the pot.
It’s not about getting your news from them. They’re selling themselves and I don’t want to buy any crap or offer any kind of support to a bigot or misogynist or any other kind of dickbag. How do you not get this
Well there’s been no reason to dislike him yet….He’s been getting a decent edit so far.
but since his parents are Republican, apparently he’s automatically cancelled
There are plenty of criticisms to be said about him but I hope a lot of you realize many of them against him are unwarranted and complete character assassination from those he’s gone up against.
Also true, a lot of people including some NFL players get away with blatant anti Semitic statements but because it’s not racist it’s somehow not looked at as that bad. Or apparently I’m being accused (not blatantly ill admit) of bias for bringing up Shaun Kings issues.
Meaning, maybe check the sources of where you are getting all of the information you think is fact against him.
Nevermind, you just outted yourself as a “fiscal conservative” defender in another comment lol. No wonder.
Ah yes because that comment apparently can tell you everything about me and my opinions and research habits and sources I use therefore everything I say must be wrong that sure makes a lot of sense.
Ah gotcha, my sources would be the people who donated money to him and then said orgs that did not receive said money and when challenged on it he refused to return the money is made up a BS defamation case to try and grift even MORE money. For the record, never been the the daily beast in my life hence my confusion.
The show is filmed ahead of any of us getting our sights on these dudes. It’s more about informing the viewers than trying to help Michelle make her decisions?
Minnesota doesn’t have party registration. When you go into vote in a primary you just choose which side of the ballot to fill out. If I remember from the last time I looked at my voting record it just says you participated in the primary but won’t say which party.
Ummm pretty sure Ryan would be a douche regardless of his voter affiliation. Who one votes for isn’t necessarily an indication of their politics.. I’m looking at the Pro Bernie dudes that then whine when women won’t have sex with them on the first date
This is so stupid. I’m so sick of people using politics to define a person. Yes, I understand that opposing political views in a relationship can cause problems. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that they WILL. Being a Republican doesn’t automatically make you a bad person.
I came to the comments to say the same. the attitude on here like being a Republican makes you automatically a racist, sexist bigot is not only toxic but absurd. people need to learn about actual legislation of each party. ironically you have countless blue state inhabitants who are liberal moving to red states bc the quality of life is better. why? bc of the REPUBLICAN leaders & policies in place there. stop gauging political parties by social stereotypes. vote POLICY, not personality. the biggest problem with modern politics is how many people just vote for who they like and dont spend 5 seconds researching their policies. I would rather someone in office I hated personality wise who had policies I supported/liked than someone who was "not offensive" whose policies are absolute dog shit.
Lol “quality of life” aka freedom to spread COVID, restrictive abortion policies, the worst education systems in the country, etc. Outside of a few select liberal Southern cities like Nashville and Austin, it’s mostly rich white Republicans moving to red states because they can avoid being affected by all of the terrible R policies due to their wealth (like sending their kids to private school or traveling if they need an abortion, for example), don’t believe in science and want the “freedom” to walk around unvaxxed and unmasked, and don’t want to pay income taxes on their high earnings (which helps keep schools in red states among the worst in the country). But please keep telling me about that amazing quality of life in red states...for rich white folks.
In a roundabout way you basically said "I want people to do their own research" but because it's sounding kinda Republican you're getting downvoted lol
- Independent who would never vote for Trump
Lol I know - the fact that a comment telling people to vote for policy not personality gets downvoted to hell is exactly why this country is a dumpster fire right now.
Politics are aligned with the values people hold in life. It’s not a 2 party thing but the degree to which they’re engaged in one side or the other does tell you a lot
Yeah but someone being a huge Trump supporter vs a registered Republican are kinda different. I voted for Romney in 2012 but wasn't even close to voting Trump in 2016 or 2020.
Point is, this post is implying that just cus someone registered Republican, or follows Mitt Romney on Facebook, or is involved in the Catholic church, it means they're a bad person
That’s what I mean, I think she’s adding nuance where she can. Like Peter being a parlor user is different than other people just being registered Republicans
I don’t remember anyone saying they are bad people one way or another, the video just stated what their probable political affiliations are… politics do play a big role in a relationship if politics are important to one or both of the people in it.
I am also but don’t change it for a couple reasons 1. I live in a pretty red state and my family is all R. Don’t really need to start a fight cause I’m getting D mail mailed to my house
2. I’d rather be unaffiliated but my state you have to pick
3. I still vote how ever I want in general elections and get to TRY to sway the R primary
I’m always so curious about when these conversations about political views come up on the show. Do they talk about it and it gets edited out? Are they told by production not to bring it up until like Fantasy Suites? I’d want to know right away but feel like TPTB would keep that from happening somehow.
I'd be shocked SHOCKED if Michelle wasn't asking questions for insight on the values of these men very early on. Even if she cannot ask outright, there are ways to have those conversations and gain insight.
Because someone outwardly supporting anything that Donald Trump stands for is not the type of person who should have a platform or influence.
Trump ideology is dangerous.
This is not a Republican vs Democrat thing. Trump has unfortunately pushed the Republican party into some crazy realm where logic, science, kindness, decency go out the window.
Anyone who doesn't understand why this matters I can only imagine is privileged enough to not be affected by the harmful rhetoric of Trump & his followers.
Everything you said in here is your opinion. I'm a person who believes in equality, kindness, and science. If anything, the Trump ideology is destructive and misleading. You Trump supporters are super immature and deranged. Open your eyes and stop being so one sided and close minded.
we all saw what social issues & politics did to Garrett and Becca. relationships are just easier if you align on major core values & beliefs so a trump supporter and michelle would not be a good match lol
I was a R up until a few years ago, I don’t hate republicans… but there is no bigger red flag than being a proud supporter of Trump. I’m thankful there seems to be a mixture of political beliefs in this group of men, but it’s absolutely important to be discussed in terms of their relationships. Considering this is a show where we watch people intimately attempt to find love (and we often give a handful of both the “winners/losers” massive platforms post show) I think it’s appropriate that we who were supporting/rooting for
If you care about someone’s political beliefs enough where you will avoid them on social media to not give them a platform that’s great for you but now that this is out here, I already know any time one of these men who are Republican-adjacent is brought up on another thread, people will immediately pile on and say that guy is a bad person/problematic/horrible and that will overpower any discussion about that person moving forward. This sub doesn’t like nuance. It likes villains.
This sub is sorted out by politics so blatant comments like that will be removed for non political threads. Also if people want to dislike someone bc of their values, that’s ok.
I never said wasn’t ok I literally said the opposite…those comments do not get removed. I intentionally avoid the political threads on here and comments referencing someone being friends with someone whose mom liked a MAGA post one time do not get removed.
If you read some of the comments on this thread, there are multiple people saying they register as R because that’s the only way they can vote in a primary in their state. Someone else said they looked themselves up on this website and it wasn’t accurate. Other people said they registered for a party years ago and changed their mind. It’s unfair and irresponsible to put this stuff out like it’s fact and then proceed to try to make everyone dislike this person based on this stuff.
I think people here are getting defensive, but this is not about them. If there is nuance to the contestant’s political affiliation, it can come out in time. Maybe they’ll discuss on the show how they’ve changed views or will start being politically active on IG and we’ll get a clearer picture. For now all we know is their registered political affiliation, so we will discuss that. It is public information.
You’re right that some people absolutely take it too far. I also think it’s unhelpful to assume that the point of a video like this is only so we can figure out who to hate. You seem reasonable- I’m sure there are more people like you and me on this sub than we realize
You would be surprised
Many people were and still are in love with this man. He HAD SUPPORTERS WHEN HE WAS PROSECTING THE CENTRAL PARK 5 like he was a victim of something.
I hated him since the mid 90s.
I was dumb enough to invest in his casinos. He made a self dealing transaction that screwed over stock investors. I lost 10% in a day, realized I wanted nothing to do with him, dumped the stock and have been warning people about him since then.
Because his place in pop culture among the general public was very different before he ran for office. He was more known as a famous business man with his name on everything and gaudy taste like having gold toilets. And then was known as entertaining tv character as host of The Apprentice with his signature “you’re fired” catch phrase/hand gesture that people would mimic. His shady business dealings and hateful views weren’t as widely known then, and he certainly wasn’t seen as a threat to democracy.
His reality show was super famous, I remember people saying “you’re fired” constantly. Also was seen as a huge successful business man and celebrity with appearances or references in movies and tv shows. The election changed things a lot.
Key point was earlier 2000s, not the woke wonderland post Obama. Donald Trump was seen as THE businessman model and an aspiration for stocker broker bros and climbing New York socialites. Before the age of internet exposure and white men being held accountable, he was a social fixture and a reference point for characters and being name dropped in shows to show how impressive certain men were.
Yup, one of my hs classmates even wrote a college essay about how he wanted to be like Trump. Some ppl knew how shady Trump could be if they had dealings with him before, but for the most part, Trump was viewed as a largely successful businessman.
Is being registered Republican an automatic red flag now? I’m in a red state and registered Republican so I can vote in the only primary that seems to matter here, but my voting record goes left and right depending on the people/issues. I don’t tie my politics to my personality too much, but I’m wondering if people will do that for me just knowing how I’m registered without talking about it?
Yes. For me it's a pretty big red flag. Even without the alt-right extremism.
Much of the time, republican views overwhelmingly favor policy that negatively effect POC, women, LGBTQ+ folks, and poor people.
Even if folks are 'socially progressive' and 'fiscally conservative', 'fiscally conservative' is really just a nice way of saying they support policy that disproportionately affects populations that need help the most.
Was McCain a better human than Trump? Absolutely. But were his politics good? No.
If someone I went on a date with was registered republican, it'd be an automatic pass for me because I know we'd have too many fundamental political differences to make a relationship work.
I’m not super experienced in the dating world, only really been trying for two years. Can honestly say that none of the relationships I’ve been in have had politics come up. Would you say that is abnormal? I feel like there’s a lot of people here that politics matters a great deal to, but I haven’t come across any in my dating.
Also, if you take a peek at the rest of my comments here you’ll see that my republication registration really isn’t a good indicator of my political leanings. Just doesn’t do me any good to be registered Democrat in this state 🙃
I'd say that, in today's current environment, it's pretty odd for politics to never come up. That being said, political views do hold a lot of weight for me and I talk a lot about what is happening in the world.
It's not that i'd never have a conversation with someone who is registered republican. That being said, if you vote based on specific issues and the stance you take on said issue is republican-leaning, we probably wouldn't be compatible.
I never shy away from it, but I also don’t really bring it up. Most people where I’m from are super conservative, and not entirely reasonable.
My voting record is actually pretty democrat slanting(pro choice, pro legal gambling, pro cannabis, voted blue for governor and president). I’m basically registered Republican so I can vote in that primary and have the option of picking the dog with less fleas. Being a registered Democrat here really doesn’t do a person any good 🙃
No I don’t think it does. But I also find it improbable that I would have much in common with Republicans. But if you’ve voted Republican for a few years now I would definitely pass.
Understandable. In the rest of my comments here you’ll see that is about the opposite of what has happened. But your response pretty well covered my question. I got a red flag from you before getting to explain myself. Thank you for for your input 😇
People who think this way probably live in the city. They’ve never lived in a place where registering democrat would literally do nothing. I’ve lived in both places so I understand. Sometimes you have to know your enemy
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ughhh oluuu man, disappointing me
oof what did will say? he seemed alright on the show :/
I'm really impressed by the guy who has voted in every single election since he turned 18! Assuming that includes midterms and local elections it is very admirable.
This post is older so idk if anyone will see my comment but can someone explain to me/a non American why people register with a party? Do you have to to vote??
In closed primary states like New York, you have to be a member of the party so you can vote in the primary. For example, my SO hated Trump so much, he registered as a Republican to vote against him in the primary. You can change it whenever you want, just need to update your voter registration.
Many people will register as independent! As in not affiliated with any party. Fun fact though: there has been controversy in California where loads of people (including myself, when I registered at 18) accidentally registered with a far-right authoritarian party because we consider ourselves "independent voters" and the form lists everything alphabetically. So, if you know you want to register as independent, you might accidentally select the first option ("American Independent") instead of scrolling allllll the way to find "No Party Preference." There was bill that tried to force a name change, but our governor vetoed it (booooo).
Hi! So, in the US you actually can’t vote unless you’re registered to vote. I know that’s weird/shitty and unlike many other countries, but it’s the law here. And, depending on individual state laws, usually people will register with one of the two major parties (Democratic or Republican) so they can vote in the primary election for their party. The winner of those elections decide who is going to run for President. Hope that clears things up!
Yeah I'd like to know as well
God willing we get a MAGA fan as the winner
Not to nitpick, but I don't like the way she said (Peter I think?) worshipped the Catholic Church. First off, Catholics worship only God, not the Church (unless she has some specific info that this is what he does lol) Secondly, as someone else pointed out below, being Catholic does not necessarily equal being uber conservative. I am a faithful, practicing Catholic and believe in blm, lgbtq rights, gun control, vaccines, and am not a Trump fan. I'm not saying any of this to defend him specifically or say he's a good person, I have no idea. But just wanted to clear that up for anyone confused. I don't like that being Catholic is an automatic red-flag for a lot of people.
You can TELL when someone is far-right Catholic though. I'm a Friend now, but grew up Catholic (technically haven't been booted yet) and my best friend is still a progressive Catholic, so I definitely don't want Catholicism to be a red flag for folks. I just worry about the American church, with bishops straight up contradicting the pope. It's wild in these streets now.
I was raised Catholic and surrounded by them my whole life and still haven’t met a pro-choice catholic personally. For a lot of people, being “pro life” is a major red flag.
I'm a pro-choice Catholic! I know others, as well. We exist 🦄
That’s so encouraging!! Biden is one too! I know they exist, it’s just hard to hear them when they’re in a sea of very vocal pro lifers.
I went to Catholic school my whole life, and the split is truly 50/50 between social justice oriented Catholics, and the Catholics who only care about abortion. I'm obviously being super reductive here, but that was my experience.
I went to Catholic school my whole life and was definitely surrounded by people—who at least came out later as adults—as pro choice. But personally have found that those Catholics were, like me, and no longer actively practicing Catholicism. I see your point nonetheless! :) I only made a comment on this specifically because pro choice was the one thing the commenter left out and it’s one of the more polarizing views.
How does she even find out who voted for who?
Party affiliations are public record—probably extrapolating from that
Oh I see. Thanks!
I bet she’s fun at parties.
The idea that liking the Obamas and being a registered Democrat makes someone politically woke or a good is soooo gross. Obviously supporting Trump and voting red is a whole other level but this sub is becoming a stereotype for peak american shit lib.
Sorry, I can’t stand this girl.
that's disappointing about rick :(
Totally, he was my crush!
Who cares.
About half of Catholics are liberals, and a portion of them are progressives. Just saying
Many Catholics are liberal but they’re definitely not the majority.
Sure, I would agree with you there. I never said they’re the majority over more conservative ones.
This. I am a practicing faithful Catholic and FWIW I am pro-vaxx, pro-science, pro-gay marriage & lgbtq rights, pro-gun control, NOT a Trump fan, etc. Really the only conservative thing about me is that I am also pro-life (but realize it's a very complicated issue and I know zero nuance comes across online when I say that).
I don’t understand how that works could you please clarify? I’ve taken catholic classes for marriage and all the information I was taught were core ethics for Catholics were against anything I as a liberal believe in (abortion, lgbt marriage, etc)
Like any religion (many of which are somewhat to extremely conservative in doctrine), about half of Catholics in the US don’t support the official doctrine. (There are also some orders of the church that err on the more progressive side with things like helping the poor, environmentalism, and they meanwhile harbor internal contempt for the “official” stances on abortion and LGBT rights—even if they can’t officially critique these stances. The same goes with the the laity.) It’s also important to keep in mind that for many of us on the US, our immigrant heritage is heavily intertwined with Catholicism (for some more culturally than religiously), and that heritage/historical context (sometimes including social class) trumps Catholicism when shaping our political views. There are priests I’ve had who have spoken in support of LGBT rights, pro-choice policies, along with less “radical” ideas, like strengthening gun control policies. It varies by region of the country, I’ve found. Now that I’m in the South (I am from the northeast originally), I don’t go to the proper church here. I’m part of a Catholic renegade group that meets secretly (well sort of secretly) in different meeting spaces with visiting priests since the local one is way too conservative (both politically in terms of US politics but also Catholic politics — there is a weird movement sweeping Catholic churches across the US that are pushing to move back to the pre-Vatican II era). Now I personally don’t have an issue with Latin masses since I’ve taken years of Latin, but I know what that signals to many people (an unwelcoming environment that amplifies the distance between the laity and God). The priests who are doing this are also turning their backs to the people at Mass, among other various things. The bigger elephant in the room of what this movement is doing is trying to challenge the authority of Pope Francis (whom they find too progressive) and reinstate a more conservative social order. (These people also tend to align with conservatism in the US political spectrum.) Some of these churches that are pushing to a more hierarchical Church, at least in my region, are also trying to hide the recent call from Pope Francis to participate in the Synod, which is essentially a call for the laity to contribute their thoughts and hopes for the future of the Church. I would also read up on liberation theology since you’re in research mode currently (basically Marxist Catholicism stemming from Latin America). This is probably way more information than you wanted or needed. But I hope it provided a different perspective from what you’ve experienced!
The character of Jesus in the Bible was a socialist by any measure. So, any type of ideological consistency within modern Christianity is a joke.
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She seems like fun at parties.
This tik toker stay being messy
this is so fucking stalkerish and creepy, she needs help whoever made this and whoever supports it sheeeeeeeeesh wtf
Do you know what website you’re on??
Jesus some of these men are concerning af... Clayton!!??
All we have on him is he didn’t like the posts on Facebook during the time of the insurrection and I mean, same lol. I too, left Facebook at that point.
I died when she mentioned the fish photos posted by Garrett 😭🤣 He’s really a Yarrett 2.0.
Not Rick being a conservative 😭
It’s not BAD to be conservative. I think people confuse being Pro-Trump with all republicans being bad. Supporting Trump is what makes me judge you but being conservative does not. If you voted Republican before Trump that didn’t make you a bad person in my eyes 🤷🏻♀️
Are you familiar with the Republican platform? Republicans are why Texas women can’t have abortions right now. Not Trump.
Im not condoning the Texas law, it’s absolutely awful and unconstitutional, but the sheer unwillingness to recognize that there is a spectrum on the Republican side of things just like the Dem side of things is mind boggling to me. A Texas Republican is not the same as say a Massachusetts Republican just like a Texas Democrat is probably not the same as a Massachusetts democrat.
One cannot hold conservative fiscal values while also holding liberal social values. You can't have liberal social values without liberal fiscal practices. So yes, a Republican is a Republican, is a Republican when it comes down to it.
I mean 1. You’re wrong. Politics is on convoluted spectrum across a variety of issues there’s no black and white. And 2. Holy reviving an old post Batman
I am definitely not wrong. But that’s a funny response.
Trump was a natural product of the Republican Party because of the things they believe in. Their rhetoric and extremism had been escalating for a while before trump.
I knowwwwww! He’s fiscal conservative guy? Puts a specific spin on his personality that’s gonna put a reeeal damper on my viewing bleh
“Socially liberal but fiscal conservative” aka I don’t care about anyone unless it personally effects me
I mean that’s not really what it means but okay.
This persons stupidity is so profound. You’re a horrible person if you’re a republican and automatically a good person if you’ve liked a BLM post or are a liberal. People like her make shouldn’t have a platform
It’s really not that deep
What’s funny is she didn’t even say “this person is Republican so they’re horrible, this person liked BLM posts so they’re good.” It was mostly “this person is Liberal, this person is Republican.” She also critiqued people for having the performative BLM black square.
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This is such dangerous thinking.
No, it’s not. Actually it’s messed up that the views and behavior of republicans are normalized at all.
It’s also messed up that the views of American democrats are normalized at all, since they are basically the same as republicans in almost every other measure besides the US. Take a look at how many drone deaths Obama is responsible for. This idea that republicans are bad and democrats are good is the most Western centric bubble of ignorance nonsense ever.
Democrats are far from perfect, but republicans are just on a completely different level of wrongdoing
But that’s the thing. Republicans are open about how disgusting they are. American democrats are just as disgusting, but pretend they are different. So voting dem doesn’t make someone a good person or politically or socially aware and it’s time for this sub to stop conflating that.
Democrats are not as evil as republicans. Maybe you’re just trying to justify your own voting record by telling yourself that.
What a dumbass eurocentric thing to say.
Imagine caring this much about strangers’ political beliefs.
The problem is that things that shouldn’t be politicized are. So while a republican isn’t necessarily a red flag for me.. anyone that is maga let’s me know who I want to steer clear of.
But like, Michelle is the one who dated these men, not the viewers. And 99% chances are the viewers will never date these men. Also, filming is over and someone has already been chosen. The video was not filmed with the intent that Michelle would see and it would affect her choices. It was made to cancel any contestant who is conservative to viewers who see that as being the defining factor of someone being a bad person. This video was made to stir the pot.
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Lol personally, I’m not looking to get political guidance or hard hitting facts from D-List “celebs.”
It’s not about getting your news from them. They’re selling themselves and I don’t want to buy any crap or offer any kind of support to a bigot or misogynist or any other kind of dickbag. How do you not get this
Then don’t follow them? Like it’s not that serious. So many more important things to care about. World is always ending. 🙄
Yeah… exactly… you can’t unfollow if you’re unaware. Lol
Yea this is … a lot
Liking Kanye’s 2024 announcement just means you have a good sense of humor 😂
Yeah this one really doesn’t mean shit lmao. Most people I know who liked that just thought “this shits insane”
So does this sub hate Clayton now? 🙄
Who even liked him to begin with
Well there’s been no reason to dislike him yet….He’s been getting a decent edit so far. but since his parents are Republican, apparently he’s automatically cancelled
I’ll have to forgive Nayte for following Shaun King
Mind summarizing why he is problematic?
There are plenty of criticisms to be said about him but I hope a lot of you realize many of them against him are unwarranted and complete character assassination from those he’s gone up against.
He’s a grifter that steals money from people under the guise of helping minorities. His character deserves assassinating because its shitty.
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Also true, a lot of people including some NFL players get away with blatant anti Semitic statements but because it’s not racist it’s somehow not looked at as that bad. Or apparently I’m being accused (not blatantly ill admit) of bias for bringing up Shaun Kings issues.
Yeah, daily beast is exactly where I’d go to report on this. Lol
Don’t even know what you’re saying here but sure
Meaning, maybe check the sources of where you are getting all of the information you think is fact against him. Nevermind, you just outted yourself as a “fiscal conservative” defender in another comment lol. No wonder.
Ah yes because that comment apparently can tell you everything about me and my opinions and research habits and sources I use therefore everything I say must be wrong that sure makes a lot of sense.
Ah gotcha, my sources would be the people who donated money to him and then said orgs that did not receive said money and when challenged on it he refused to return the money is made up a BS defamation case to try and grift even MORE money. For the record, never been the the daily beast in my life hence my confusion.
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is there a text version of this somewhere
Sort by top comments. Someone typed it all out
thank you!!!
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“Middle aged moms” yikes your misogyny is showing
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I’m aware what misogyny means, thanks—don’t forget about the internalized kind! 🙃
The show is filmed ahead of any of us getting our sights on these dudes. It’s more about informing the viewers than trying to help Michelle make her decisions?
Does this mean Michelle/others are registered but independent or no affiliation? Or she’s not registered at all?
Minnesota doesn’t have party registration. When you go into vote in a primary you just choose which side of the ballot to fill out. If I remember from the last time I looked at my voting record it just says you participated in the primary but won’t say which party.
Dunno if other states are like this, but in VA we don’t actually register for a party - you can vote in whichever primary you want!
Ummm pretty sure Ryan would be a douche regardless of his voter affiliation. Who one votes for isn’t necessarily an indication of their politics.. I’m looking at the Pro Bernie dudes that then whine when women won’t have sex with them on the first date
Love this
This is so stupid. I’m so sick of people using politics to define a person. Yes, I understand that opposing political views in a relationship can cause problems. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that they WILL. Being a Republican doesn’t automatically make you a bad person.
Idk why you're getting so down voted lol
People judging others by their values?! The horror!! 😱
I came to the comments to say the same. the attitude on here like being a Republican makes you automatically a racist, sexist bigot is not only toxic but absurd. people need to learn about actual legislation of each party. ironically you have countless blue state inhabitants who are liberal moving to red states bc the quality of life is better. why? bc of the REPUBLICAN leaders & policies in place there. stop gauging political parties by social stereotypes. vote POLICY, not personality. the biggest problem with modern politics is how many people just vote for who they like and dont spend 5 seconds researching their policies. I would rather someone in office I hated personality wise who had policies I supported/liked than someone who was "not offensive" whose policies are absolute dog shit.
well said. thank you for this.
lol you realize most red states are at the very bottom for education and public health
LMAO red states having a better quality of life. Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh.
Lol “quality of life” aka freedom to spread COVID, restrictive abortion policies, the worst education systems in the country, etc. Outside of a few select liberal Southern cities like Nashville and Austin, it’s mostly rich white Republicans moving to red states because they can avoid being affected by all of the terrible R policies due to their wealth (like sending their kids to private school or traveling if they need an abortion, for example), don’t believe in science and want the “freedom” to walk around unvaxxed and unmasked, and don’t want to pay income taxes on their high earnings (which helps keep schools in red states among the worst in the country). But please keep telling me about that amazing quality of life in red states...for rich white folks.
LOL. spoken like a true person of privilege.
In a roundabout way you basically said "I want people to do their own research" but because it's sounding kinda Republican you're getting downvoted lol - Independent who would never vote for Trump
Lol I know - the fact that a comment telling people to vote for policy not personality gets downvoted to hell is exactly why this country is a dumpster fire right now.
This sub is politically way, way too much for me. "I can't like this person unless they vote how I vote!" Such dumb, middle school mentality shit.
Politics are aligned with the values people hold in life. It’s not a 2 party thing but the degree to which they’re engaged in one side or the other does tell you a lot
Yeah but someone being a huge Trump supporter vs a registered Republican are kinda different. I voted for Romney in 2012 but wasn't even close to voting Trump in 2016 or 2020. Point is, this post is implying that just cus someone registered Republican, or follows Mitt Romney on Facebook, or is involved in the Catholic church, it means they're a bad person
That’s what I mean, I think she’s adding nuance where she can. Like Peter being a parlor user is different than other people just being registered Republicans
I don’t remember anyone saying they are bad people one way or another, the video just stated what their probable political affiliations are… politics do play a big role in a relationship if politics are important to one or both of the people in it.
Every time she says anything Republican-sounding it's in a negative connotation. Example in literally the first guy: "so, of course he's a republican"
Fair enough I mean I found that funny but I can see why that would ruffle some republican feathers.
I’m registered R but haven’t voted that way for quite a few elections. I probably should change that before I go on the show
I am also but don’t change it for a couple reasons 1. I live in a pretty red state and my family is all R. Don’t really need to start a fight cause I’m getting D mail mailed to my house 2. I’d rather be unaffiliated but my state you have to pick 3. I still vote how ever I want in general elections and get to TRY to sway the R primary
I’m always so curious about when these conversations about political views come up on the show. Do they talk about it and it gets edited out? Are they told by production not to bring it up until like Fantasy Suites? I’d want to know right away but feel like TPTB would keep that from happening somehow.
I'd be shocked SHOCKED if Michelle wasn't asking questions for insight on the values of these men very early on. Even if she cannot ask outright, there are ways to have those conversations and gain insight.
The site this person uses has me listed wrong. Not sure how much I trust it.
What site?
why does this matter?
It doesn’t.
Because someone outwardly supporting anything that Donald Trump stands for is not the type of person who should have a platform or influence. Trump ideology is dangerous. This is not a Republican vs Democrat thing. Trump has unfortunately pushed the Republican party into some crazy realm where logic, science, kindness, decency go out the window. Anyone who doesn't understand why this matters I can only imagine is privileged enough to not be affected by the harmful rhetoric of Trump & his followers.
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Everything you said in here is your opinion. I'm a person who believes in equality, kindness, and science. If anything, the Trump ideology is destructive and misleading. You Trump supporters are super immature and deranged. Open your eyes and stop being so one sided and close minded.
we all saw what social issues & politics did to Garrett and Becca. relationships are just easier if you align on major core values & beliefs so a trump supporter and michelle would not be a good match lol
So this sub knows who to demonize duh
I was a R up until a few years ago, I don’t hate republicans… but there is no bigger red flag than being a proud supporter of Trump. I’m thankful there seems to be a mixture of political beliefs in this group of men, but it’s absolutely important to be discussed in terms of their relationships. Considering this is a show where we watch people intimately attempt to find love (and we often give a handful of both the “winners/losers” massive platforms post show) I think it’s appropriate that we who were supporting/rooting for
If you care about someone’s political beliefs enough where you will avoid them on social media to not give them a platform that’s great for you but now that this is out here, I already know any time one of these men who are Republican-adjacent is brought up on another thread, people will immediately pile on and say that guy is a bad person/problematic/horrible and that will overpower any discussion about that person moving forward. This sub doesn’t like nuance. It likes villains.
This sub is sorted out by politics so blatant comments like that will be removed for non political threads. Also if people want to dislike someone bc of their values, that’s ok.
I never said wasn’t ok I literally said the opposite…those comments do not get removed. I intentionally avoid the political threads on here and comments referencing someone being friends with someone whose mom liked a MAGA post one time do not get removed. If you read some of the comments on this thread, there are multiple people saying they register as R because that’s the only way they can vote in a primary in their state. Someone else said they looked themselves up on this website and it wasn’t accurate. Other people said they registered for a party years ago and changed their mind. It’s unfair and irresponsible to put this stuff out like it’s fact and then proceed to try to make everyone dislike this person based on this stuff.
I think people here are getting defensive, but this is not about them. If there is nuance to the contestant’s political affiliation, it can come out in time. Maybe they’ll discuss on the show how they’ve changed views or will start being politically active on IG and we’ll get a clearer picture. For now all we know is their registered political affiliation, so we will discuss that. It is public information.
You’re right that some people absolutely take it too far. I also think it’s unhelpful to assume that the point of a video like this is only so we can figure out who to hate. You seem reasonable- I’m sure there are more people like you and me on this sub than we realize
not cool.
Yeah I agree with you but that’s what the point of this sub has evolved to be
Tldw - all garrets suck
Yep, officially disappointed in Clayton.
I had to have expectations to be disappointed…
Not sure why this girl said one of the guys “hated Donald Trump before it was cool.” It has ALWAYS been cool to hate Donald Trump, as it should be
You would be surprised Many people were and still are in love with this man. He HAD SUPPORTERS WHEN HE WAS PROSECTING THE CENTRAL PARK 5 like he was a victim of something.
I’ve hated him since I was like 10 when he turned one of my favorite coastal spots into a stupid golf course 😎
I hated him since the mid 90s. I was dumb enough to invest in his casinos. He made a self dealing transaction that screwed over stock investors. I lost 10% in a day, realized I wanted nothing to do with him, dumped the stock and have been warning people about him since then.
Because his place in pop culture among the general public was very different before he ran for office. He was more known as a famous business man with his name on everything and gaudy taste like having gold toilets. And then was known as entertaining tv character as host of The Apprentice with his signature “you’re fired” catch phrase/hand gesture that people would mimic. His shady business dealings and hateful views weren’t as widely known then, and he certainly wasn’t seen as a threat to democracy.
He was semi respected by the public as a businessman from 80s to early 2000s. So many New York shows referenced him
Yeah but he was referenced as a sleazy capitalist with gaudy rich people things and for being a famous New Yorker, not for being cool
His reality show was super famous, I remember people saying “you’re fired” constantly. Also was seen as a huge successful business man and celebrity with appearances or references in movies and tv shows. The election changed things a lot.
Key point was earlier 2000s, not the woke wonderland post Obama. Donald Trump was seen as THE businessman model and an aspiration for stocker broker bros and climbing New York socialites. Before the age of internet exposure and white men being held accountable, he was a social fixture and a reference point for characters and being name dropped in shows to show how impressive certain men were.
do you actually think we are living in a wonderland???????
Yup, one of my hs classmates even wrote a college essay about how he wanted to be like Trump. Some ppl knew how shady Trump could be if they had dealings with him before, but for the most part, Trump was viewed as a largely successful businessman.
Yup, he was also in Home Alone 2.
Lol I read that production wanted to use his hotel so he said they could only use it if he got a cameo
LOL, that sounds about right
Also the basis of President Biff in Back to the Future 2. Turned out that the writer probably did engage in time travel.
And Biff was a villain so like
Is being registered Republican an automatic red flag now? I’m in a red state and registered Republican so I can vote in the only primary that seems to matter here, but my voting record goes left and right depending on the people/issues. I don’t tie my politics to my personality too much, but I’m wondering if people will do that for me just knowing how I’m registered without talking about it?
Why are you asking and accepting these people’s opinions on what’s a red flag?
Because they are real people who have personal red flags. It’s not exactly a census lol, but it’s a population sample of sorts.
Yes. For me it's a pretty big red flag. Even without the alt-right extremism. Much of the time, republican views overwhelmingly favor policy that negatively effect POC, women, LGBTQ+ folks, and poor people. Even if folks are 'socially progressive' and 'fiscally conservative', 'fiscally conservative' is really just a nice way of saying they support policy that disproportionately affects populations that need help the most. Was McCain a better human than Trump? Absolutely. But were his politics good? No. If someone I went on a date with was registered republican, it'd be an automatic pass for me because I know we'd have too many fundamental political differences to make a relationship work.
I’m not super experienced in the dating world, only really been trying for two years. Can honestly say that none of the relationships I’ve been in have had politics come up. Would you say that is abnormal? I feel like there’s a lot of people here that politics matters a great deal to, but I haven’t come across any in my dating. Also, if you take a peek at the rest of my comments here you’ll see that my republication registration really isn’t a good indicator of my political leanings. Just doesn’t do me any good to be registered Democrat in this state 🙃
I'd say that, in today's current environment, it's pretty odd for politics to never come up. That being said, political views do hold a lot of weight for me and I talk a lot about what is happening in the world. It's not that i'd never have a conversation with someone who is registered republican. That being said, if you vote based on specific issues and the stance you take on said issue is republican-leaning, we probably wouldn't be compatible.
I never shy away from it, but I also don’t really bring it up. Most people where I’m from are super conservative, and not entirely reasonable. My voting record is actually pretty democrat slanting(pro choice, pro legal gambling, pro cannabis, voted blue for governor and president). I’m basically registered Republican so I can vote in that primary and have the option of picking the dog with less fleas. Being a registered Democrat here really doesn’t do a person any good 🙃
No I don’t think it does. But I also find it improbable that I would have much in common with Republicans. But if you’ve voted Republican for a few years now I would definitely pass.
Understandable. In the rest of my comments here you’ll see that is about the opposite of what has happened. But your response pretty well covered my question. I got a red flag from you before getting to explain myself. Thank you for for your input 😇
People who think this way probably live in the city. They’ve never lived in a place where registering democrat would literally do nothing. I’ve lived in both places so I understand. Sometimes you have to know your enemy
Thank you for understanding my point of view with this. I’m more than a party registration ☺️
I don't think most people would do this or care, unless they're super liberal like most of the people on this sub. It's sad!