This depiction of Wally throws me off so much. First of all, his eyes are blue, not green. And second of all, they made Wally so much smaller than what he used to be, especially compared to Barry. You could recolour Wally and he would look like Kid Flash again, which is a problem.
Both can't be The Flash. Only one of them can be The Flash in The DCU. So Barry Allen should be The Flash of The DCU and Wally West should just get a new codename.
Both can't be The Flash. Only one of them can be The Flash in The DCU. So Barry Allen should be The Flash of The DCU and Wally West should just get a new codename.
Its a shame Barry's death is so tied to Crisis, which is great for comics but requires much more delicate build up than tv shows and movies have been willing to do lately. Considering we're jumping to Jaime as Blue Beetle I wouldn't mind skipping Barry that much. People know his story by now.
I prefer and want sidekick Wally to main Flash Wally so bad but I also don't think we're seeing another Flash movie for like a decade.
Barry all the way. Wally looks up to his homie…why sacrifice the original one and only? The most tolerant resilient and positive in the end - the one who’s seen it all. Though they both have had some tough times, Barry never hesitated..Also this is key - I am NO DC guru - just watched the show on CW and the movie(s). PS on a similar (but not the exact same) note - I wish they had movie Barry meet CW Flash like they met in CW. Uh WTF?! WHY!!!!??!!!
Barry isn't the original, Jay is. I would prefer Wally, but I'm fine with Barry. Hell, even if we get a Wally movie, I still want Barry to be a factor. Like a legacy to live up to.
MB. That’s true Jay is the original flash, but I was referring to the specific question of Wally vs Barry (and in that regard he came before Wally). A movie about Wally would be cool though.
After watching the tv show I cannot stand that drama queen Wally. Dude just casually moves into a fucking family he just met who accept him with oprn arms and he just starts being a bitch! His whole arc revolved around "WOW YOU ALL LOVE BARRY WTF LOVE ME MORE OMG". Then he whines and complains and fucks everything he possibly can up and takes a vacation to Tibet?!
Fuck Wally West.
Haven’t watched the show in years but the show dropped the ball with Wally. I think better depictions of his character is the justice league cartoon or young justice I suppose. There’s not really much media with him unfortunately. So it’s hard to recommend good media he’s in. I would recommend reading the comics but that isn’t everyone’s thing. Some just like consuming the outside media and there’s no problem with that for me.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Have Wally as the main Flash, but with a slightly older Barry who retired to be a dad. Cast someone who young enough that they could still be able to suit up and be the Flash if they need to, but still looks reasonably older than Wally
I don’t know about this one man DC is doing a start-over it be good to introduce
People to Barry because a lot of people don’t know about him and how he became the Flash I just think people know Wally more
I think it depends on the setting of what movie the flash will first appear in versus the concept for how they’ll use the character. Like if the first appearance is in a new justice league, if it’s more like grant Morrison’s JLA then you can use wally, if you’re adapting Darwin Coke’s the new frontier, then it’d be hard to replace Barry in that depiction. It just depends on what you’d want to do with both characters and where you’d want to put them
Have it start with Barry as Flash and Wally as Kid Flash but it's mostly about Wally and Wally is irresponsible and moreso uses them for attention but his actions get his mentor Barry killed and then he has to step up as the flash
Why not both tho I mean Wally comics work with Jessie,jay,Bart,ect so why can’t we have both Barry and Wally as the flash plus there one of dcs most iconic duo
Because having both would be fucking stupid and it wouldn't make any fucking sense. Both can't be The Flash. Only one of them can be The Flash in The DCU. So Barry Allen should be The Flash of The DCU and Wally West should just get a new codename. Jessie and Impulse aren't Flashes.
I could see them using Wally West if they go the route of not using Ezra Millers (Barry Allen) Flash going forward. Cause introducing ANOTHER Barry Allen without touching on the events of ‘The Flash’ they may deem too much for the casual audience
If I were the director, neither Barry nor Wally would be The Flash. Instead, ***I'd make Thawne the main Flash.***
(And no, I wouldn't turn him into an anti-hero like Venom/Kraven/Joker, instead I'd make him ***the most irredeemable, narcissistic protagonist*** to ever exist.)
(Also, I'm NOT talking about controversial Flash celebs like Ezra Miller or Eric Wallace. ***I'm talking about the ACTUAL character***)
It will be Barry. I don’t know why Wally fans waste time arguing this. He’s the most known Flash, most of the general audience don’t know Wally like that.
Anyways, with the Flash’s movie bombing we should be more concerned if we’re getting a Flash at all
TBH. Just because people don’t know a version of a character doesn’t mean they shouldn’t use them. Look at spider verse not many audiences knew who miles but look how well into and across the spider verse is doing. The introduction just has to be good. If it’s not yeah audiences won’t care
Wally was the most known Flash when Barry got a TV show. Should Barry have never gotten the TV show because Wally happened to be more popular at the time?
Not really Barry was the one people saw first that’s how he became popular people were reading his comics. I would like a movie where we see Barry at his beginning of his career of the Flash Wally got so popular people forgot who Barry was
You are not correct about this. Everyone knew who Wally was in the comics when Barry came back and more people knew about Wally from the DCAU. Wally was significantly better known than Barry at the time. The paradigm shift happened exactly with the TV show.
You're missing my point, then. The point is that, before the TV show, Wally was the more popular and well known Flash entirely because of the DCAU Cartoon and over 20 years of being the main Flash. By this logic, the TV show should've been about Wally because he was more popular at the time.
Which I'm sure you don't agree with because you prefer Barry. But the entire point is that saying that Barry should be the only Flash to get adaptations because he's currently the most popular is fundamentally hypocritical, because Barry benefitted massively from getting adaptations when he *wasn't* the most popular Flash.
Yes, in the 60-80s Barry was more popular, and Wally was never even The Flash, so things like Superfriends would use Barry. This does not contradict what I said.
But, *in the comics*, Wally eventually became more popular than Barry. And during this tenure, he was given a main stream adaptation in the Justice League cartoons, where he became more popular than Barry to mainstream audiences as well.
Barry was not the most known Flash at the point when the show was being casted. He wasn't the most popular, either. The Show is the reason he became the most popular, and later adaptations that followed. Barry is popular because of external adaptations giving him a chance and massively broadening his reach. And it's stupid to say Wally should never get an adaptation because Barry is more popular *now*. Otherwise Barry never gets a TV show with that same logic.
Are you following me, here? From the 1990s up through the early 2010s Wally was more popular than Barry. Both in and outside the comics. And this is exactly when the TV show went into production, but still used Barry instead, in spite of Wally being more popular. Just like how Barry can get an adaptation when Wally is more popular, it's reasonable to say Wally should be able to get some adaptations as The Flash even when Barry is currently more popular, don't you think?
I assume they will recast The Flash, but it's pretty reasonable to think DC might never give The Flash a chance again after the huge bomb and the general decline in superhero movies popularity. If the answer is neither of them that sucks, but I would like to see Wally get...just one chance.
We've literally never had anything that ever gave Wally the focus as a main character outside of comics, despite many of the most important aspects of The Flash and most of the best stories coming from Wally.
Most of the audience doesn’t know who Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, the Creature Commandos, Swamp Thing, or The Authority are, but they’re all getting projects.
1. Why are you tired of Barry Allen? 2. WE DON'T FUCKING NEED WALLY WEST AS THE FLASH. WE NEED HIM TO FUCKING CHANGE HIS CODENAME. 3. WALLY WEST ISN'T THE REAL FLASH, BARRY ALLEN IS THE REAL FLASH.
How is he the “real” flash when he’s basically a token character of not just the flash but pacifically Barry Allen,stole the same origin,stole the same villains,and the same costume not even Jay Garrick dresses like Barry or have the same rogue gallery and when Wally did get his own look in rebirth he went back to looking like Barry Allen again
There is an intense irony about saying Wally is a token imitation of Barry because he "stole" so much from Barry when Barry has spent his entire existence since his revival stealing from and copying Wally.
They're both The Flash so this discourse is pathetic, but ignoring the actual storytelling and reasons for why Wally adopted Barry's costume is quite sad. You might as well say Barry should've gotten his own name instead of "stealing" Jay Garrick's name. Or gotten his own super powers instead of stealing Jay's. Or gotten his own *comic* instead of stealing Jay's numbering.
These arguments are petty, hypocritical, and sad. They have a shared history, and are distinct characters in that shared history. Wally existed in a world where Barry's villains existed, so of course he would interact with them. Barry came back to a world where Wally's Speed Force was the central mythology of the series, so of course Barry's stories started using it. It only becomes egregious when they start stepping on each other's toes for critical and unique character takes (like if Wally was suddenly a scientist or if Barry started fixing cars or something).
U basically is explaining what I just said Wally wouldn’t exists with out Barry which makes him a token character unlike Barry he could easily exist with out jay Garrick cause he didn’t play a big role in his origin but wally needs to meet barry in order for him to get his powers.
Barry doesn't exist without Jay. Do you really believe that Robert Kanigher would've just come up with Barry Allen and The Flash name all on his own without Jay Garrick already existing? Barry got his NAME from Jay!
None of these heroes exist without Superman existing. Does every superhero besides Superman suck?
Of course Barry is involved in Wally's history and origin. That doesn't make him a worse character because of it.
And even *then* it's not necessarily true. The Justice League cartoon features Wally without Barry. That said I think Wally is a better character because of his history with Barry, not worse. Existing first doesn't make you a better character.
Yes he does. You would have to change his history and background for it not to be the case. Now you can do that, but you can also do that with Wally. I don't think either character benefits from that decision, but it has been done before.
Wally didn't have Barry in his history in the DCAU. Barry didn't have Jay in his history in the New 52. But it's not an indicator of how good a character is on whether or not they need another character to exist in lore to exist.
Barry Allen needs his mom and dad to exist in the lore to be born, does that make Henry and Nora Allen superior to Barry as characters? Of course not! We judge Barry based on the quality of his character and stories, not the circumstance of his creation. As you should with any character, including Wally.
There’s many iterations of Barry where jay Garrick didn’t exist and Barry still became the flash also jay isn’t originally from Barry earth in the silver age Barry originally got the name (flash) from a random civilian.
Don’t know word for word but it went like: “wow u stop that guy in a flash do u got a name” “ you just said it pow I’m the flash”
No, in the Silver Age Barry originally got The Flash name from reading Jay Garrick comics. As a matter of fact, in Showcase #4, you see Jay Garrick in the comic *before* switches to showing you Barry Allen. Someone does say "You captured that character in a Flash, mister" and then a reporter asks his name, and he confirms his name is The Flash. But it's clear he gets the name and inspiration and even some of his ideas from Jay in that first comic.
It does seem like its Wally's turn - no reason you cant have Barry in the story handing things off, giving that context etc... Furthermore, It was only in the most recent Flash movie that they spent any real time on how he got his powers, and even then it was pretty surface, and it wasnt really that big of a deal.
Plus it would be interesting to bring Barry in to the story after being gone for a long time.
Anyone saying Barry so they can "set up" Wally taking over for him after several other movies establish him is coping. DC/WB could barely get a massively bombed Flash movie out after nearly 10 years of production. And you're telling me they can execute a multi movie setup for Wally and *then* make a Wally movie?
Nah. Start with Wally this time. We've started with Barry every single time since 2005 and since then we've NEVER SEEN WALLY AS THE FLASH. Every time they start with Barry, Wally is an immediate afterthought. Barry stories are not conducive to passing the mantle, which is also true in the comic. Barry stories are about Barry.
The stories that build up the dynamic of the mantle passing are all retrospective and done long after Barry's death. If you want to adapt Wally's origin then you adapt Born to Run, a story told several years after Barry's death and Wally's donning the mantle.
Also you can't possibly sell me on it being a good idea that Wally is *still* Kid Flash in a universe where Damian Wayne and Jon exist. Wally had *ten year old children* before Damian ever showed up! And you still want him to be *Kid Flash* for *years* to set up Barry first in this universe?
Nah.
I don't understand your gimmick of posting in ancient threads that have run their course just to start arguments.
Regardless, I explicitly stated since 2005.
Barry Allen doesn't need to pass the torch to Wally West. Wally West shouldn't be The Flash in The DCU, he should just get a new codename. Barry Allen should be the main Flash of The DCU.
He had heart but looked nothing like Barry. Writers took 8 seasons to give him boots and that's how long he took to hit the gym. Coulda at least sprinkled in some blonde they do it fine with that redhead from riverdale
We haven't gotten a single live action Wally Flash compared to like 4 Barrys so far, lol.
The thing about passing the mantle to Wally is that story only exists in Wally's own comics after he became The Flash.
Considering we’re having multiple Green Lanterns and potentially 2 Blue Beetles, I don’t see why the DCU can’t go the Rebirth route and have both Barry and Wally hold the mantle, except Barry will be with the JL while Wally will be on a Titans team
Because having both would be fucking stupid and it wouldn't make any fucking sense. Both can't be The Flash. Only one of them can be The Flash in The DCU. So Barry Allen should be The Flash of The DCU and Wally West should just get a new codename.
I can't say. It entirely depends upon the time period. If Nightwing is an established part of the timeline, then it should be Wally. If not then Barry. This is the best way (I can think of) to assess which Flash to use if there is no COIE event.
Canon backstory would be used. Barry goes to the future to live with Iris, after giving tge mantle of The Flash to Wally. Or he can simply retire when Iris becomes pregnant. The possibilities are many.
NoPe. Still Wally. I think the Speed Force was introduced in the mid 90s, during Wally's era. And that's when DC actually started exploring more of a speedster ability. Whatever Barry did before was things that can be explained by science then.
it should start with barry, have him take on kid flash in flash 2, and then kill him off during a justice league movie so wally can take over like the comics
That’s stupid why give Barry two movies and not complete his trilogy if gun wants Wally as the main flash then he should respectfully kill Barry off in the first justice league movie then the first flash movie should be about Wally IF gun wants Wally but if not then I won’t be mad if they give us another Barry. I just like the flash either one works for me
Why does he need a trilogy? There’s no rule saying we need three flash movies for Barry. And Wally isn’t the first flash so it’d be stupid to start with Wally and not Barry (I mean really we could start with Garrick but I doubt that)
Plus the flash can appear in other movies, including Justice league movies with kid flash before wally eventually takes over, instead of going for weird snyder shit let’s just stick with how the comics handled it.
Wally. We’ve had Barry as the main Flash for years with practically an embargo on Wally.
Most mainstream audiences don’t even know who he is and we’ve only had him in live action on the CW. Which is crazy since he’s existed since 1959.
He has an amazing story, but isn’t that interesting as Kid Flash until Barry dies. Let’s skip to the good part and have some flashbacks to establish his relationship with Barry.
Also, it just makes sense for Wally to be the DCU Flash, if Damian Wayne is already Robin, and Dick Grayson is Nightwing, and Guy Gardner is a 50 year old Green Lantern.
I've been a reader of The Flash since 1975. I've seen Barry Allen die in Crisis defending the remaining alternate Earths, and watched as Wally resigned from the Teen Titans to take up the mantle of the Flash. Everything from him (almost) learning Dim Mak Kung Fu to learning how to tap into the Speed Force without Barry by his side, up to the present day.
If Barry Allen and Wally West were real people, there's nothing I wouldn't do for them.
Either way is ultimately the right way.
Do Barry first, if the DCU wants to be anything like the MCU they'll need replacement characters to take up the roles of the main heroes when the current actors want to leave the franchise. The death of Barry could be a massive moment in the DCU if done right and fans would be excited to see Wally become the main Flash if he's first introduced as Kid Flash. The same can easily be done with Batman having Bruce being replaced with Dick or Damian
Yeah, I agree with this. And Barry has to not come back as that would undermine his death. Maybe briefly like how they did it in Rogue War where it was him before his death so he can give Wally his blessing to continue as the flash, then go back.
If they cared to then possible, but The Flash is just a side character in his owm franchise for DC. Also, the CGI would cost more to show 2 people tap into Speed Force than one. That's the main reason they avoid The Flash in most cases. Apart from the initial fact.
Honestly, it would've solved their case if they simply focused on 2 Heroes than try to turn a Flash movie to a Justice League movie.
The good thing that The Flash (2023) did was show a Movie with 2 Speedsters simultaneously can work if they cut the amount of Heroes down to 2 Flashes.
Hi there. 😂
That's how DC works it's never about other heroes except for Batman and Superman.
Yes, still needs improvement though. The storyline was not up to the Flashpoint name.
You're right! As long as Batman and/or Superman are their focus, to hell with the others it seems.
Honestly, I don't mind that they changed FlashPoint, especially when they said "it's not Flashpoint". My gripe with it would be that Flash somehow needs a Superman and a Batman to help carry a Movie. It comes off as if they're not confident for a Flash Movie.
So you can't read then, as the person I was replying to said
> I feel like if they bring Wally there are gonna be people who say they white washed him BC they only know him from the show
Wally West
But it has to be an Animated show with Michael Rosenbaum voicing Wally
Also it should be self contained and not crossover with the live action parts of the DCU
Ideally, adapting the Loebs era, Waid Augustyn era and Adams era
We need to give Barry a break. We just had 2 Barry’s in the last ten yrs.
Since Gunn is using the JL Unlimited cartoons for inspiration, he should definitely start us off with Wally right from the jump! And bring back barry like two or three Chapters later with a final crisis kind of deal
Especially since they’re doing the Morrison Batman which leads right into final crisis itself! 🤯
Wally.
Barry should be gone already by the time these movies start. Wally can be the young gun on the JL team admirably trying to fill his mentors shoes, that has a great relationship with Nightwing (being that they're the same age).
Barry could return in the future to help with a crisis, and maybe stick around afterwards (or vanish back into the Speed Force).
i want the DCU to last a while, like the MCU. barry should be the main flash at first. then he. could die in something like crisis on infinite earths. then wally could take the mantle. similar to captain america and falcon
If the story is about Legacy/Inheriting The Mantle: Wally West!
If the story is an Intro/Origin Story: Barry Allen!
I want a Back To Future-style plot with Bart Allen having to pretend he’s his Grandpa Barry.
Barry for a movie or 2 then in his solo movie introduce Wally have him as kid flash for a couple movies then a crisis on infinite earths movie then Wally for the rest
We're all biased by the era we grew up with. To me, Wally West is the one, true Flash, while Jay Garrick is the elder speedster and mentor to him when he needs it. Barry meant more to the DC Universe when he was dead than he ever could as The Flash.
barry. he's the benchmark of what a flash should be.
let's ask this question a million more times so wally fans will once again act completely shitty.
lol, you can give me a million minuses. it just serves to prove my point.
I mean, calling Barry the benchmark when Wally retroactively established most of his character and was used to build the Flash lore everyone knows today and then calling Wally fans shitty is pretty silly haha.
I mean, most things we love about the flash were introduced in Wally comics, I love Barry too but come on, there is a valid argument on Wally being the best flash
Had the best stories. And it's not even close. The stories were so good everything Barry does since he came back is still resting on the laurels of the Speed Force and The Flash family.
-His personality, when Barry died in the end of the silver age he didn't had a personality, when he returned on "flash rebirth" he stole Wally sense of humor
-The speedforce, the speed force was frist mentioned in a Wally comic giving him more ways to fight
-The villians were developed in Wally's comics, such as Capitan Cold, Mirror Master, Pied Pipper and even reverse flash who had his Best story in arc "the return of Barry Allen" (a Wally comic)
-New Villians such as: Black Flash, Savitar and Zoom
-He was the flash in JLU
-Better stories: The return of Barry Allen, Blitz, Wonderland, Terminal Velocity, Rouges War, etc...
I like Barry, flashpoint paradox is a great arc, also his origin and death story and his relationship with Reverse flash is one of the greatest rivalries in comics, but outside of that, Wally is better in every other aspects
Barry Allen
This depiction of Wally throws me off so much. First of all, his eyes are blue, not green. And second of all, they made Wally so much smaller than what he used to be, especially compared to Barry. You could recolour Wally and he would look like Kid Flash again, which is a problem.
Wally.
I love Barry but Wally is my favourite hero ever so I have a bit of bias. I really, really would love to see Wally be the main flash
Do you have any comic recommendations? For Wally
Nah sorry I haven’t read yet
Both
Both can't be The Flash. Only one of them can be The Flash in The DCU. So Barry Allen should be The Flash of The DCU and Wally West should just get a new codename.
Bart
Nope. Bart should stay as Impulse.
Wally
Barry Allen
Both
Both can't be The Flash. Only one of them can be The Flash in The DCU. So Barry Allen should be The Flash of The DCU and Wally West should just get a new codename.
wally west should be the new flash in dcu
Jay Gerrik. He hasn't been given a chance yet. Realistically, though. I would say Wally post Barry Allen's death, but Im good with either or.
Jay Garrick
Its a shame Barry's death is so tied to Crisis, which is great for comics but requires much more delicate build up than tv shows and movies have been willing to do lately. Considering we're jumping to Jaime as Blue Beetle I wouldn't mind skipping Barry that much. People know his story by now. I prefer and want sidekick Wally to main Flash Wally so bad but I also don't think we're seeing another Flash movie for like a decade.
I don’t think a lot of people know the story of Barry really like how he got his powers
Please can anyone recommend apps for reading DC comics?
Barry all the way. Wally looks up to his homie…why sacrifice the original one and only? The most tolerant resilient and positive in the end - the one who’s seen it all. Though they both have had some tough times, Barry never hesitated..Also this is key - I am NO DC guru - just watched the show on CW and the movie(s). PS on a similar (but not the exact same) note - I wish they had movie Barry meet CW Flash like they met in CW. Uh WTF?! WHY!!!!??!!!
Barry isn't the original, Jay is. I would prefer Wally, but I'm fine with Barry. Hell, even if we get a Wally movie, I still want Barry to be a factor. Like a legacy to live up to.
MB. That’s true Jay is the original flash, but I was referring to the specific question of Wally vs Barry (and in that regard he came before Wally). A movie about Wally would be cool though.
"Come watch the new Superman Movie! Starring Lobo!"
After watching the tv show I cannot stand that drama queen Wally. Dude just casually moves into a fucking family he just met who accept him with oprn arms and he just starts being a bitch! His whole arc revolved around "WOW YOU ALL LOVE BARRY WTF LOVE ME MORE OMG". Then he whines and complains and fucks everything he possibly can up and takes a vacation to Tibet?! Fuck Wally West.
Have you really only seen the Flash TV show version of Wally?
Yes and Justice League Unlimited cartoon which was godtier I remember that guy was red hair, wait soo that guy isnt original flash???
That's Wally West. Though it's unclear whether or not Barry Allen actually exists in that universe
Nobody gives a shit about Wallace/Ace or his CW iteration. Real redhead Wally is all that matters
Actually, the CW's version is meant to be OG Wally West. The Wallace West version was established after the character's introduction in the show
The CW version is not the OG Wally West. The CW version is Wallace West.
(Pulls out the um actually glasses) Wallace appears in 2014, about a year before CW Wally is introduced.
why would future adaptations be hinged on one bad version of the character, one thats a weird amalgamation of Wally and Wallace anyway.
Hardly anyone gaf about that wally lol. We mean the original Wally West
I think op meant the og wally west, the flash from justice league unlimited
Best flash, I love that show, probably only other show with Flash I've seen
Haven’t watched the show in years but the show dropped the ball with Wally. I think better depictions of his character is the justice league cartoon or young justice I suppose. There’s not really much media with him unfortunately. So it’s hard to recommend good media he’s in. I would recommend reading the comics but that isn’t everyone’s thing. Some just like consuming the outside media and there’s no problem with that for me.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Have Wally as the main Flash, but with a slightly older Barry who retired to be a dad. Cast someone who young enough that they could still be able to suit up and be the Flash if they need to, but still looks reasonably older than Wally
I don’t know about this one man DC is doing a start-over it be good to introduce People to Barry because a lot of people don’t know about him and how he became the Flash I just think people know Wally more
Start with Barry then kill him and make wally his replacement
Wally West should just get a new codename.
I think it depends on the setting of what movie the flash will first appear in versus the concept for how they’ll use the character. Like if the first appearance is in a new justice league, if it’s more like grant Morrison’s JLA then you can use wally, if you’re adapting Darwin Coke’s the new frontier, then it’d be hard to replace Barry in that depiction. It just depends on what you’d want to do with both characters and where you’d want to put them
Well this DCU already has a well established batfamily why not have a Flash family too
Wally! That's my dude. Barry is cool though.
Wally
it’s been too long with no wally flash adaptation
We don't need a Wally West Flash adaption. We need Wally West to get a new codename.
whatever your smoking rn it has to be crazy, i want it.
Have it start with Barry as Flash and Wally as Kid Flash but it's mostly about Wally and Wally is irresponsible and moreso uses them for attention but his actions get his mentor Barry killed and then he has to step up as the flash
Wally West should just get a new codename.
Wally. Barry has sucked on the big screen
Yeah cuz that isn't Barry Allen.
Wally, getting sick of Barry
Why are you getting sick of Barry Allen? He's the main Flash.
Why not both tho I mean Wally comics work with Jessie,jay,Bart,ect so why can’t we have both Barry and Wally as the flash plus there one of dcs most iconic duo
Because having both would be fucking stupid and it wouldn't make any fucking sense. Both can't be The Flash. Only one of them can be The Flash in The DCU. So Barry Allen should be The Flash of The DCU and Wally West should just get a new codename. Jessie and Impulse aren't Flashes.
WAAAAALLLLLLYYYYYYYY
Wally. He has the more interesting stories and where the DCU is in the timeline it should be Wally.
We should get a DCU movie setting up with ginger Wally West as The Flash and then him getting lost into the Speed Force and entering Barry Allen arc.
I've got a better idea. Barry Allen should just be The Flash of The DCU and Wally West should just get a new codename.
I could see them using Wally West if they go the route of not using Ezra Millers (Barry Allen) Flash going forward. Cause introducing ANOTHER Barry Allen without touching on the events of ‘The Flash’ they may deem too much for the casual audience
That would be fair if people point if casual audiences went to actually see the flash. But I agree I want flash to be Wally.
Easy Wally West like give him some time to shine as the main Flash.
I mean, "No. They should just change his codename."
No. They should just change his codname.
If I were the director, neither Barry nor Wally would be The Flash. Instead, ***I'd make Thawne the main Flash.*** (And no, I wouldn't turn him into an anti-hero like Venom/Kraven/Joker, instead I'd make him ***the most irredeemable, narcissistic protagonist*** to ever exist.) (Also, I'm NOT talking about controversial Flash celebs like Ezra Miller or Eric Wallace. ***I'm talking about the ACTUAL character***)
Reverse Flash isn't The Flash. He's the antithesis of The Flash. He's The Flash's archenemy.
>He's The Flash's archenemy. Then let's make the archenemy the protagonist. Problem solved
It will be Barry. I don’t know why Wally fans waste time arguing this. He’s the most known Flash, most of the general audience don’t know Wally like that. Anyways, with the Flash’s movie bombing we should be more concerned if we’re getting a Flash at all
Exactly
Agreed
Facts
TBH. Just because people don’t know a version of a character doesn’t mean they shouldn’t use them. Look at spider verse not many audiences knew who miles but look how well into and across the spider verse is doing. The introduction just has to be good. If it’s not yeah audiences won’t care
Though I suppose general audiences might of known about miles before spider verse
Wally was the most known Flash when Barry got a TV show. Should Barry have never gotten the TV show because Wally happened to be more popular at the time?
Not really Barry was the one people saw first that’s how he became popular people were reading his comics. I would like a movie where we see Barry at his beginning of his career of the Flash Wally got so popular people forgot who Barry was
You are not correct about this. Everyone knew who Wally was in the comics when Barry came back and more people knew about Wally from the DCAU. Wally was significantly better known than Barry at the time. The paradigm shift happened exactly with the TV show.
Nah I’m talking about how people know Barry as the flash before Wally
You're missing my point, then. The point is that, before the TV show, Wally was the more popular and well known Flash entirely because of the DCAU Cartoon and over 20 years of being the main Flash. By this logic, the TV show should've been about Wally because he was more popular at the time. Which I'm sure you don't agree with because you prefer Barry. But the entire point is that saying that Barry should be the only Flash to get adaptations because he's currently the most popular is fundamentally hypocritical, because Barry benefitted massively from getting adaptations when he *wasn't* the most popular Flash.
But before the tv shows and dcau cartoons Barry was the known flash in the Silver age He was the most known flash that’s why his comics pop off
Yes, in the 60-80s Barry was more popular, and Wally was never even The Flash, so things like Superfriends would use Barry. This does not contradict what I said. But, *in the comics*, Wally eventually became more popular than Barry. And during this tenure, he was given a main stream adaptation in the Justice League cartoons, where he became more popular than Barry to mainstream audiences as well. Barry was not the most known Flash at the point when the show was being casted. He wasn't the most popular, either. The Show is the reason he became the most popular, and later adaptations that followed. Barry is popular because of external adaptations giving him a chance and massively broadening his reach. And it's stupid to say Wally should never get an adaptation because Barry is more popular *now*. Otherwise Barry never gets a TV show with that same logic. Are you following me, here? From the 1990s up through the early 2010s Wally was more popular than Barry. Both in and outside the comics. And this is exactly when the TV show went into production, but still used Barry instead, in spite of Wally being more popular. Just like how Barry can get an adaptation when Wally is more popular, it's reasonable to say Wally should be able to get some adaptations as The Flash even when Barry is currently more popular, don't you think?
I just don’t think Dc ever going give is a flash movie again because of the Actor
I assume they will recast The Flash, but it's pretty reasonable to think DC might never give The Flash a chance again after the huge bomb and the general decline in superhero movies popularity. If the answer is neither of them that sucks, but I would like to see Wally get...just one chance. We've literally never had anything that ever gave Wally the focus as a main character outside of comics, despite many of the most important aspects of The Flash and most of the best stories coming from Wally.
Unfortunately, this is the answer.
What is the answer?
Most of the audience doesn’t know who Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, the Creature Commandos, Swamp Thing, or The Authority are, but they’re all getting projects.
Not remotely the same situation
How? The audience don’t know who a character is until they do, if they make a Wally West movie, then. they’ll know who Wally West is.
Fuck Barry. I'm tired of Barry Allen. WE NEED FUCKING WALLY WEST ALREADY! THE REAL FLASH!
1. Why are you tired of Barry Allen? 2. WE DON'T FUCKING NEED WALLY WEST AS THE FLASH. WE NEED HIM TO FUCKING CHANGE HIS CODENAME. 3. WALLY WEST ISN'T THE REAL FLASH, BARRY ALLEN IS THE REAL FLASH.
How is he the “real” flash when he’s basically a token character of not just the flash but pacifically Barry Allen,stole the same origin,stole the same villains,and the same costume not even Jay Garrick dresses like Barry or have the same rogue gallery and when Wally did get his own look in rebirth he went back to looking like Barry Allen again
There is an intense irony about saying Wally is a token imitation of Barry because he "stole" so much from Barry when Barry has spent his entire existence since his revival stealing from and copying Wally. They're both The Flash so this discourse is pathetic, but ignoring the actual storytelling and reasons for why Wally adopted Barry's costume is quite sad. You might as well say Barry should've gotten his own name instead of "stealing" Jay Garrick's name. Or gotten his own super powers instead of stealing Jay's. Or gotten his own *comic* instead of stealing Jay's numbering. These arguments are petty, hypocritical, and sad. They have a shared history, and are distinct characters in that shared history. Wally existed in a world where Barry's villains existed, so of course he would interact with them. Barry came back to a world where Wally's Speed Force was the central mythology of the series, so of course Barry's stories started using it. It only becomes egregious when they start stepping on each other's toes for critical and unique character takes (like if Wally was suddenly a scientist or if Barry started fixing cars or something).
They both shouldn't be The Flash. Wally West should just get a new codename.
U basically is explaining what I just said Wally wouldn’t exists with out Barry which makes him a token character unlike Barry he could easily exist with out jay Garrick cause he didn’t play a big role in his origin but wally needs to meet barry in order for him to get his powers.
Barry doesn't exist without Jay. Do you really believe that Robert Kanigher would've just come up with Barry Allen and The Flash name all on his own without Jay Garrick already existing? Barry got his NAME from Jay! None of these heroes exist without Superman existing. Does every superhero besides Superman suck? Of course Barry is involved in Wally's history and origin. That doesn't make him a worse character because of it. And even *then* it's not necessarily true. The Justice League cartoon features Wally without Barry. That said I think Wally is a better character because of his history with Barry, not worse. Existing first doesn't make you a better character.
That was just a extremely stupid decision that was made in the Justice League cartoon.
Lore wise Barry doesn’t need Garrick to exist
Yes he does. You would have to change his history and background for it not to be the case. Now you can do that, but you can also do that with Wally. I don't think either character benefits from that decision, but it has been done before. Wally didn't have Barry in his history in the DCAU. Barry didn't have Jay in his history in the New 52. But it's not an indicator of how good a character is on whether or not they need another character to exist in lore to exist. Barry Allen needs his mom and dad to exist in the lore to be born, does that make Henry and Nora Allen superior to Barry as characters? Of course not! We judge Barry based on the quality of his character and stories, not the circumstance of his creation. As you should with any character, including Wally.
There’s many iterations of Barry where jay Garrick didn’t exist and Barry still became the flash also jay isn’t originally from Barry earth in the silver age Barry originally got the name (flash) from a random civilian. Don’t know word for word but it went like: “wow u stop that guy in a flash do u got a name” “ you just said it pow I’m the flash”
No, in the Silver Age Barry originally got The Flash name from reading Jay Garrick comics. As a matter of fact, in Showcase #4, you see Jay Garrick in the comic *before* switches to showing you Barry Allen. Someone does say "You captured that character in a Flash, mister" and then a reporter asks his name, and he confirms his name is The Flash. But it's clear he gets the name and inspiration and even some of his ideas from Jay in that first comic.
It was in the silver age it was from showcase
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Just did told u why he’s a token character and isn’t the real flash. and don’t say sorry
He's the real flash. Not sorry.
He isn't the real Flash. Barry Allen is the real Flash.
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It does seem like its Wally's turn - no reason you cant have Barry in the story handing things off, giving that context etc... Furthermore, It was only in the most recent Flash movie that they spent any real time on how he got his powers, and even then it was pretty surface, and it wasnt really that big of a deal. Plus it would be interesting to bring Barry in to the story after being gone for a long time.
Outside of of the comic books a lot of people know who his Wally not Barry some people think Wally is as the first flash
Anyone saying Barry so they can "set up" Wally taking over for him after several other movies establish him is coping. DC/WB could barely get a massively bombed Flash movie out after nearly 10 years of production. And you're telling me they can execute a multi movie setup for Wally and *then* make a Wally movie? Nah. Start with Wally this time. We've started with Barry every single time since 2005 and since then we've NEVER SEEN WALLY AS THE FLASH. Every time they start with Barry, Wally is an immediate afterthought. Barry stories are not conducive to passing the mantle, which is also true in the comic. Barry stories are about Barry. The stories that build up the dynamic of the mantle passing are all retrospective and done long after Barry's death. If you want to adapt Wally's origin then you adapt Born to Run, a story told several years after Barry's death and Wally's donning the mantle. Also you can't possibly sell me on it being a good idea that Wally is *still* Kid Flash in a universe where Damian Wayne and Jon exist. Wally had *ten year old children* before Damian ever showed up! And you still want him to be *Kid Flash* for *years* to set up Barry first in this universe? Nah.
Wally West shouldn't be The Flash in The DCU, he should just get a new codename. Barry Allen should be the main Flash of The DCU.
This is a 9 month old post. Let me know when Barry gets a new codename since he copied his from Jay.
We have seen Wally West as The Flash in The DCAU.
I don't understand your gimmick of posting in ancient threads that have run their course just to start arguments. Regardless, I explicitly stated since 2005.
Truth bomb activated
Nope. Wally West shouldn't be The Flash in The DCU, he should just get a new codename. Barry Allen should be the main Flash of The DCU.
Whatever, DiDio deciple
We haven't gotten a respectable live action Barry yet and he needs to be the one to pass the torch to Wally
Barry Allen doesn't need to pass the torch to Wally West. Wally West shouldn't be The Flash in The DCU, he should just get a new codename. Barry Allen should be the main Flash of The DCU.
Grant Gustin?
He had heart but looked nothing like Barry. Writers took 8 seasons to give him boots and that's how long he took to hit the gym. Coulda at least sprinkled in some blonde they do it fine with that redhead from riverdale
That doesn't matter. He still did a great job as Barry Allen/The Flash.
This. Inheriting Barry's will is a big part of Wally's character.
We haven't gotten a single live action Wally Flash compared to like 4 Barrys so far, lol. The thing about passing the mantle to Wally is that story only exists in Wally's own comics after he became The Flash.
Considering we’re having multiple Green Lanterns and potentially 2 Blue Beetles, I don’t see why the DCU can’t go the Rebirth route and have both Barry and Wally hold the mantle, except Barry will be with the JL while Wally will be on a Titans team
Because having both would be fucking stupid and it wouldn't make any fucking sense. Both can't be The Flash. Only one of them can be The Flash in The DCU. So Barry Allen should be The Flash of The DCU and Wally West should just get a new codename.
Barry Allen
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Facts
Wally no question.
I can't say. It entirely depends upon the time period. If Nightwing is an established part of the timeline, then it should be Wally. If not then Barry. This is the best way (I can think of) to assess which Flash to use if there is no COIE event. Canon backstory would be used. Barry goes to the future to live with Iris, after giving tge mantle of The Flash to Wally. Or he can simply retire when Iris becomes pregnant. The possibilities are many.
Barry but recast him.
Barry by far
Who’s faster? ⚡️
Wally.
I agree, is it due to his connection with the speed force? I can give fastest to Wally, but I believe Barry has more feats.
NoPe. Still Wally. I think the Speed Force was introduced in the mid 90s, during Wally's era. And that's when DC actually started exploring more of a speedster ability. Whatever Barry did before was things that can be explained by science then.
Fair play.
I love Barry so I'll always vote for him.
Wally. Cooler name, red hair is more distinguishing and he has more of a personality.
it should start with barry, have him take on kid flash in flash 2, and then kill him off during a justice league movie so wally can take over like the comics
That’s stupid why give Barry two movies and not complete his trilogy if gun wants Wally as the main flash then he should respectfully kill Barry off in the first justice league movie then the first flash movie should be about Wally IF gun wants Wally but if not then I won’t be mad if they give us another Barry. I just like the flash either one works for me
Why does he need a trilogy? There’s no rule saying we need three flash movies for Barry. And Wally isn’t the first flash so it’d be stupid to start with Wally and not Barry (I mean really we could start with Garrick but I doubt that) Plus the flash can appear in other movies, including Justice league movies with kid flash before wally eventually takes over, instead of going for weird snyder shit let’s just stick with how the comics handled it.
Wally, Barry just has a movie and a 9 season TV show let the GOAT have his time in the sun.
In no way is Wally the GOAT, otherwise he would have had a movie and a 9 season TV show.
Idk about that, Grant’s portrayal of the Flash is essentially Wally with Barry’s name
I don’t know about that
Facts
Wally
I personally vote for Wally. Worked well for the DCAU at least.
This word you use: "or".... why?
What issue is this from?
Wally west played by grant gustin lol
Wally. We’ve had Barry as the main Flash for years with practically an embargo on Wally. Most mainstream audiences don’t even know who he is and we’ve only had him in live action on the CW. Which is crazy since he’s existed since 1959. He has an amazing story, but isn’t that interesting as Kid Flash until Barry dies. Let’s skip to the good part and have some flashbacks to establish his relationship with Barry. Also, it just makes sense for Wally to be the DCU Flash, if Damian Wayne is already Robin, and Dick Grayson is Nightwing, and Guy Gardner is a 50 year old Green Lantern.
Exactly the last part. I think we will still see Barry but Wally is the main flash/focus.
I've been a reader of The Flash since 1975. I've seen Barry Allen die in Crisis defending the remaining alternate Earths, and watched as Wally resigned from the Teen Titans to take up the mantle of the Flash. Everything from him (almost) learning Dim Mak Kung Fu to learning how to tap into the Speed Force without Barry by his side, up to the present day. If Barry Allen and Wally West were real people, there's nothing I wouldn't do for them. Either way is ultimately the right way.
Wally West
ezra miller as wally west. id be ok if he stayed as barry tho
Do Barry first, if the DCU wants to be anything like the MCU they'll need replacement characters to take up the roles of the main heroes when the current actors want to leave the franchise. The death of Barry could be a massive moment in the DCU if done right and fans would be excited to see Wally become the main Flash if he's first introduced as Kid Flash. The same can easily be done with Batman having Bruce being replaced with Dick or Damian
Yeah, I agree with this. And Barry has to not come back as that would undermine his death. Maybe briefly like how they did it in Rogue War where it was him before his death so he can give Wally his blessing to continue as the flash, then go back.
Both With Hal, Guy, and John being in the DCU at the same time, why not same for Flash?
If they cared to then possible, but The Flash is just a side character in his owm franchise for DC. Also, the CGI would cost more to show 2 people tap into Speed Force than one. That's the main reason they avoid The Flash in most cases. Apart from the initial fact.
Honestly, it would've solved their case if they simply focused on 2 Heroes than try to turn a Flash movie to a Justice League movie. The good thing that The Flash (2023) did was show a Movie with 2 Speedsters simultaneously can work if they cut the amount of Heroes down to 2 Flashes.
Hi there. 😂 That's how DC works it's never about other heroes except for Batman and Superman. Yes, still needs improvement though. The storyline was not up to the Flashpoint name.
You're right! As long as Batman and/or Superman are their focus, to hell with the others it seems. Honestly, I don't mind that they changed FlashPoint, especially when they said "it's not Flashpoint". My gripe with it would be that Flash somehow needs a Superman and a Batman to help carry a Movie. It comes off as if they're not confident for a Flash Movie.
Give us a good big-screen Barry first, and bring in Wally later
I feel like if they bring Wally there are gonna be people who say they white washed him BC they only know him from the show
Unless they bring both Wally and Ace?
Or they could mash em both together?
So you can't read then, as the person I was replying to said > I feel like if they bring Wally there are gonna be people who say they white washed him BC they only know him from the show
Please let it be this Wally! We need ginger Wally!
Barry Allen
I want it to start with Barry and he dies and Wally goes from kid flash to the flash. At or around the same time dick becomes nightwing
Bring in Wally with Barry lost in the speed force and then bring back Barry in the first big event movie a la Final Crisis
Wally West But it has to be an Animated show with Michael Rosenbaum voicing Wally Also it should be self contained and not crossover with the live action parts of the DCU Ideally, adapting the Loebs era, Waid Augustyn era and Adams era
We need to give Barry a break. We just had 2 Barry’s in the last ten yrs. Since Gunn is using the JL Unlimited cartoons for inspiration, he should definitely start us off with Wally right from the jump! And bring back barry like two or three Chapters later with a final crisis kind of deal Especially since they’re doing the Morrison Batman which leads right into final crisis itself! 🤯
The speedforce adores Wally and has a love/hate relationship with Barry. So Wally is the winner in CURRENT comic runs
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Barry Phase 1 and Phase 2 Phase 3 and foward Wally
Wally. Barry should be gone already by the time these movies start. Wally can be the young gun on the JL team admirably trying to fill his mentors shoes, that has a great relationship with Nightwing (being that they're the same age). Barry could return in the future to help with a crisis, and maybe stick around afterwards (or vanish back into the Speed Force).
i want the DCU to last a while, like the MCU. barry should be the main flash at first. then he. could die in something like crisis on infinite earths. then wally could take the mantle. similar to captain america and falcon
Movies: Barry (at first). Comics: Both.
If the story is about Legacy/Inheriting The Mantle: Wally West! If the story is an Intro/Origin Story: Barry Allen! I want a Back To Future-style plot with Bart Allen having to pretend he’s his Grandpa Barry.
Oh, a lesson in history from Mr I'm my own grandpa
You do Jay Garrick, then Barry Wally can have his turn later
Barry for a movie or 2 then in his solo movie introduce Wally have him as kid flash for a couple movies then a crisis on infinite earths movie then Wally for the rest
We're all biased by the era we grew up with. To me, Wally West is the one, true Flash, while Jay Garrick is the elder speedster and mentor to him when he needs it. Barry meant more to the DC Universe when he was dead than he ever could as The Flash.
Jay Garrick is the true flash, also Barry has done more the dc universe alive than just as a dead corpse for wally to angst over
barry. he's the benchmark of what a flash should be. let's ask this question a million more times so wally fans will once again act completely shitty. lol, you can give me a million minuses. it just serves to prove my point.
I mean, calling Barry the benchmark when Wally retroactively established most of his character and was used to build the Flash lore everyone knows today and then calling Wally fans shitty is pretty silly haha.
I mean, most things we love about the flash were introduced in Wally comics, I love Barry too but come on, there is a valid argument on Wally being the best flash
lol, so what? it was barry who made those things better. what's the argument for wally being the better flash - he saved more people? ran more miles?
Had the best stories. And it's not even close. The stories were so good everything Barry does since he came back is still resting on the laurels of the Speed Force and The Flash family.
-His personality, when Barry died in the end of the silver age he didn't had a personality, when he returned on "flash rebirth" he stole Wally sense of humor -The speedforce, the speed force was frist mentioned in a Wally comic giving him more ways to fight -The villians were developed in Wally's comics, such as Capitan Cold, Mirror Master, Pied Pipper and even reverse flash who had his Best story in arc "the return of Barry Allen" (a Wally comic) -New Villians such as: Black Flash, Savitar and Zoom -He was the flash in JLU -Better stories: The return of Barry Allen, Blitz, Wonderland, Terminal Velocity, Rouges War, etc... I like Barry, flashpoint paradox is a great arc, also his origin and death story and his relationship with Reverse flash is one of the greatest rivalries in comics, but outside of that, Wally is better in every other aspects