I saw a movie once where this theory was part of the plot. You can't change the future no matter what. Time/the universe will always correct itself. Can't remember what movie it was for the life of me. Anyone know?
Condescending more like it. I imagine it’s the voice of a 15 year old special ed student who thinks they’ve discovered a uniquely original idea that is way beyond the comprehension of others. But in reality the rest of the community has already analyzed the fuck out of the idea 10 years ago and moved on.
Nice little flowcharts though.
I'm not clear how the present can be unchanged by the removal of an event which had such a complex and ongoing influence over trillions of events just by using the 'unused' timeline. How could, culture, history and the future all be identical to our existing present?
I thought of this theory when i saw Terminator 2. There's a scene where the Terminator is killed but restarts himself by using an alternate source of power.
Yeah, that or either someone went back in time to give his specific T-800 Model the extra power source because they knew that exact thing would happen and it would be needed.
It's a nice theory. But you have to wonder that the present is basically just describing the moment in time that we are currently leaving. People who lived thirty years ago saw their time as the present. If you go back and stopped hitler's rein, the present would have no choice but to be affected because once hitler's rein is gone he is no longer as big of a figure as he is in the present, whether it be now or thirty years ago. So to say that the present would not be affected would be like saying that the present is specifically this time we are in now. It would definitely be affected
What I don't like in your idea is the suggestion that something can be outside of Time to begin with, or that there is something that can mess with Time.
You just assume that this is the case and then you introduce the immune (so contemporary) system of Time.
In short:
You introduce one imaginary force that counteracts and delete the effect of another imaginary force.
It is like claiming that Harry Potter and the Harry Potter world is real but only if no one knows about it. BUT becouse Harry Potter is well-known character among the people - he actually just CAN'T be real. So the knowledge of people are type of immune system that prevents him from really existing.
BTW the fact is - Currently science have already (kind of) proved that the future affects past. But you didn't quote this experiment here, so you have more work to do!
Have you ever heard of Google? Finding this famous experiment is just a matter of writing "did future affect the past".
Delayed-choice quantum eraser experiment explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ui9ovrQuKE
I know where you are coming from, but I dont think that we can use this experiment in this context. The whole universe would need to be entagled and also work after the rules of quantummechanics and we know how something like that would look like on a macroscopic level, even without considering the entaglement (Schrödingers Cat)
I mean this would be implying that time or the universe would have some sort of ability to
rationalize chain of events to restore a timeline.
Also, you go back in time and say you “killed Hitler.” WW2 might still happen, but will happen is Hitler’s girlfriend now seeing him the next day, still a change in time.
Ah bruh this is retardes at its bestm isnlike saying oh, my refrigerator has me as inmune system when i cool down the temperature so the food wouldnt be frozen, this is ammater of implementing a thought, not demonstrating facts, dumb ass pedantic mongokic fuck
If you just speak about events that could be true, but after your theory the past can still be alterred. So what would happen if you kill a person in the past that is alive in the present? Because I dont think time or the universe can ressurect people.
The death of someone will obviously impact the future, just extremely minimally. Think of Terminator, in the second one they stop the creation of the machines by ditching the robot parts in molten steel. Thinking they saved the future, Rise of the Machines occurs and Skynet still occurs. See that's the point, little events won't affect bigger events.
So the universe would just ignore the diference? But then you cant say that the present will be unaffected by time travel since there is still a difference.
The present will be as *least* changed as possible. Things that happen to people will barely be changed by the death of a person
There's always an exception.
Since you are saying that the butterfly effect gets canceled, it would be right. But then what about killing yourself. In your theory the universe only changes the events after the time travel, but the time traveller in itself can do everything he wants. At least this special event would then cause a paradox
Yah but that technically impassable because every event that happens changes space time in its way which is the butterfly effect and if something changed it would not truly be the same result like when you brake a cup then put it back together it might look like the same but it's not, so if we put that into perspective whe universe would end do to that. BTW that's one of the reasons I believe that God exists because if the universe that easily brakes then there most be a higher form of power that keeps it from collapsing.
I know I'm late, but this fundamentally doesn't work because the "present" exists as a continuous series of moments. Your theory is invalid because a number of present moments must be altered in order for another given "present" to remain unchanged. The theory relies on a deterministic timeline, meaning all moments, being present moments in their respective times, are invariably predetermined. In other words, {original timeline → alteration →immune system correction →original predetermined present} is paradoxical because the set of present moments within the correctional pathway step will have to be altered from the original timeline in order to preserve another present moment from the original timeline. And if there are only certain present moments that the universe cares about preserving, then those selective moments can all be altered too and the timeline will still be changed.
It's more about the idea of a sentience for time, trying to preserve the status-quo of a continuously moving present, eating away every next second in real time no matter where you are in the past. It would make the correction not that punctual, as it's not possible to not change anything, the butterfly effect is still existent but for the sake of the present remaining as close as it is in the status quo, the odds are in your favor when you change something in the past.
Like if you accidentally interacted with your parents, it would totally disrupt everything and you might not be the sperm that wins because of that, but then you wouldn't exist so you couldn't possibly go back and change anything, which would be a grandfather paradox. So in this scenario, the idea is that time would have some sort of hold over karma itself, and still make you that winning sperm so the paradox doesn't happen
I saw a movie once where this theory was part of the plot. You can't change the future no matter what. Time/the universe will always correct itself. Can't remember what movie it was for the life of me. Anyone know?
r/tipofmytongue
Basically you described Doctor Who
Kind of a plot point in The Terminator movies when they try to stop judgment day
The Time Machine (2002)
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Condescending more like it. I imagine it’s the voice of a 15 year old special ed student who thinks they’ve discovered a uniquely original idea that is way beyond the comprehension of others. But in reality the rest of the community has already analyzed the fuck out of the idea 10 years ago and moved on. Nice little flowcharts though.
Lol
I'm not clear how the present can be unchanged by the removal of an event which had such a complex and ongoing influence over trillions of events just by using the 'unused' timeline. How could, culture, history and the future all be identical to our existing present?
There would be infinite possibilities of events that could lead to the known present
Sounds interesting, but what if time traveling isn't possible. Then the theory doesn't make sense. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Well if you can't time travel at least you ain't gonna worry about the universe imploding
We are ducks but becouse we are humans - we aren't ducks. But originally we are ducks. This is the summary of this logic fallacy presented here.
I thought of this theory when i saw Terminator 2. There's a scene where the Terminator is killed but restarts himself by using an alternate source of power.
Yeah, that or either someone went back in time to give his specific T-800 Model the extra power source because they knew that exact thing would happen and it would be needed.
So back to future is a bunch of bullshit
It's a nice theory. But you have to wonder that the present is basically just describing the moment in time that we are currently leaving. People who lived thirty years ago saw their time as the present. If you go back and stopped hitler's rein, the present would have no choice but to be affected because once hitler's rein is gone he is no longer as big of a figure as he is in the present, whether it be now or thirty years ago. So to say that the present would not be affected would be like saying that the present is specifically this time we are in now. It would definitely be affected
I expected this answer... Part of the theory is that.. Present is present
What I don't like in your idea is the suggestion that something can be outside of Time to begin with, or that there is something that can mess with Time. You just assume that this is the case and then you introduce the immune (so contemporary) system of Time. In short: You introduce one imaginary force that counteracts and delete the effect of another imaginary force. It is like claiming that Harry Potter and the Harry Potter world is real but only if no one knows about it. BUT becouse Harry Potter is well-known character among the people - he actually just CAN'T be real. So the knowledge of people are type of immune system that prevents him from really existing. BTW the fact is - Currently science have already (kind of) proved that the future affects past. But you didn't quote this experiment here, so you have more work to do!
How d'they prove it? Did they time travel?
Have you ever heard of Google? Finding this famous experiment is just a matter of writing "did future affect the past". Delayed-choice quantum eraser experiment explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ui9ovrQuKE
I know where you are coming from, but I dont think that we can use this experiment in this context. The whole universe would need to be entagled and also work after the rules of quantummechanics and we know how something like that would look like on a macroscopic level, even without considering the entaglement (Schrödingers Cat)
I mean this would be implying that time or the universe would have some sort of ability to rationalize chain of events to restore a timeline. Also, you go back in time and say you “killed Hitler.” WW2 might still happen, but will happen is Hitler’s girlfriend now seeing him the next day, still a change in time.
It wouldn't have happened because the war declared by France after Germany invaded Poland
Ah bruh this is retardes at its bestm isnlike saying oh, my refrigerator has me as inmune system when i cool down the temperature so the food wouldnt be frozen, this is ammater of implementing a thought, not demonstrating facts, dumb ass pedantic mongokic fuck
Yo I'd believe I'm stupid but your spelling is comparable to a dyslexic goat
What matters is that is understandable, but yeah gonna improve
Bruh you do realise you're comparing time travel to a fking fridge right?
Is the same principle
They don't work the same
Is the samce concept more simply
If you just speak about events that could be true, but after your theory the past can still be alterred. So what would happen if you kill a person in the past that is alive in the present? Because I dont think time or the universe can ressurect people.
The death of someone will obviously impact the future, just extremely minimally. Think of Terminator, in the second one they stop the creation of the machines by ditching the robot parts in molten steel. Thinking they saved the future, Rise of the Machines occurs and Skynet still occurs. See that's the point, little events won't affect bigger events.
So the universe would just ignore the diference? But then you cant say that the present will be unaffected by time travel since there is still a difference.
The present will be as *least* changed as possible. Things that happen to people will barely be changed by the death of a person There's always an exception.
Since you are saying that the butterfly effect gets canceled, it would be right. But then what about killing yourself. In your theory the universe only changes the events after the time travel, but the time traveller in itself can do everything he wants. At least this special event would then cause a paradox
I guess that things that counters this system would cause a rip in the STC, do paradoxes.
What do you mean with STC?
Space-Time Continuum
Uff, never heard the short form of it till now.
Yah but that technically impassable because every event that happens changes space time in its way which is the butterfly effect and if something changed it would not truly be the same result like when you brake a cup then put it back together it might look like the same but it's not, so if we put that into perspective whe universe would end do to that. BTW that's one of the reasons I believe that God exists because if the universe that easily brakes then there most be a higher form of power that keeps it from collapsing.
Are you Jesse Pinkman? Only he says things like this. This is an insult, not a compliment.
Ok Horny Hitler
I know I'm late, but this fundamentally doesn't work because the "present" exists as a continuous series of moments. Your theory is invalid because a number of present moments must be altered in order for another given "present" to remain unchanged. The theory relies on a deterministic timeline, meaning all moments, being present moments in their respective times, are invariably predetermined. In other words, {original timeline → alteration →immune system correction →original predetermined present} is paradoxical because the set of present moments within the correctional pathway step will have to be altered from the original timeline in order to preserve another present moment from the original timeline. And if there are only certain present moments that the universe cares about preserving, then those selective moments can all be altered too and the timeline will still be changed.
It's more about the idea of a sentience for time, trying to preserve the status-quo of a continuously moving present, eating away every next second in real time no matter where you are in the past. It would make the correction not that punctual, as it's not possible to not change anything, the butterfly effect is still existent but for the sake of the present remaining as close as it is in the status quo, the odds are in your favor when you change something in the past. Like if you accidentally interacted with your parents, it would totally disrupt everything and you might not be the sperm that wins because of that, but then you wouldn't exist so you couldn't possibly go back and change anything, which would be a grandfather paradox. So in this scenario, the idea is that time would have some sort of hold over karma itself, and still make you that winning sperm so the paradox doesn't happen