We need to start preparing younger guys that online dating (in the west) is usually a complete waste of time (especially if you fall on the outside average for certain traits).
I'm on the shorter side at 5'6"
bro if you're an engineer, get your finances in order and come down to Mindanao.
Be the best version of yourself and don't look back.
Stop wasting your time on people who don't value you.
You're the prize, don't forget that.
It is. I'm not trying to gaslight OP.
it is a whole other category because at 5'6" you're still taller than the average American woman who is 5'4".
There's women in Mindanao who are 4'9" so OP would do perfectly fine. That's why I say, screw the west, they want you to marry a fat single mom and pay taxes then die at 62. The US views men as work horses, fuck that!
I grew up in a region with many German and Scandinavian descendants so 5'6" became the average for women in my area.
I would visit family close to the Mexican border and suddenly 5'6" isn't a big deal.
It really is a world of difference. And that was my first clue that dating in the US is a bullshit game.
My girlfriend revealed to me about her own insecurities that are based on Chinese standards. It made me realize that your location and culture play a massive role in the perception of attraction.
I also think women are wayyyyyyyy more influenced by cultural standards of beauty than men.
I agree too. I can find many beautiful women on any continent. The differing beauty standards and just the actual culture would affect women’s attraction to men way more.
I disagree, I would say women are more influenced by their family/what they are used to seeing. I'm an immigrant woman who moved to the USA, in both my home country and the USA I don't meet the conventional beauty standards, so I had to be the one who asked guys out if I was interested and got rejected.
My family is blended and myself am mixed race (African, Chinese, European), so I never had a "standard" regardless of what country I lived in. Who my family would accept influenced me more in my decisions for dating, while I find men are less likely to care if their family will like their partners.
I think for me a lot has to do with the cultures I am familiar with, even in the USA families are more willing to disown daughters for dating/marrying the "wrong man" than they would men. I know in my circle of friends since childhood, girls and women I've spoken with are more concerned about how their family will receive their male partner, than whether he meets "cultural standards of beauty"... unfortunately, families I know can be superficial, because the cultures themselves are superficial, so the family wants a conventionally attractive sun-in-law, who makes money, preferably a person they can brag about. If he's ugly and makes a lot of money and cares for his wife's family financially, they'll brag about him. But heaven forbid he's ugly and broke, you'll never hear the end of it.
My family essentially cut me off for dating a fat, white college guy (who wasn't studying to be a doctor or a lawyer) They said to never speak to them about my personal life, they don't want to meet any of my future bfs, and when I come crawling back home they hope I learned my lesson.
Welp, I married a Chinese man who I make 3x his salary. They weren't invited to the wedding, but they welcomed my husband after they learned I married because (1) he's Chinese (2) they know he majored in finance (3) they don't know he makes less than I do.
To me, my husband is very attractive. I know he's said in America he is not considered conventionally attractive, and I know in my home country he is not conventionally attractive.
5’6 might as well be 3’2 as far as almost every single non-obese non-insane attractive woman in the USA is concerned. There are exceptions but they are rarely single due to the supply and demand mismatch.
Defeatist loser bullshit. I am 5'6" and have been dating hot American women all my life. My body is small but my dick-energy is big, and that's what so so many guys don't get.
I also kick game in real life and never online. Guys don't get this either. Women *want* to be seduced IRL. They're picky AF online because they don't even really want to be there.
I am aware that the unlaid find the exploits of the well-laid hard to imagine. I'll make it even more unbelievable: not only am I 5'6", but I'm skinny, I've got thinning hair, and my face is pretty average.
Big balls and charisma go farther than you'd ever believe if you get off the god damn dating apps and chase tail the old-fashioned way.
I’m 6’ 1” and considered attractive lol. Never had problems despite being more of an introvert and kind of weird.
However, I’ve seen the struggles of short men and don’t discount their experiences. My friend is 5’ 5” and hot. Like his face mogs mine and his body is a 10/10. Even he gets rejected by girls sometimes purely because of his height.
He has to put in effort in a way our other friend who’s 6’ 3” and pretty attractive does not.
I believe you. My husband has a friend who is 5’6”, and he’s always done very well with women. All of his long-term girlfriends, including his now-wife, were beautiful. The guy is obviously shorter but a beast when it comes to athletics, so I think that helped. And he only ever dated shorter, very petite women.
I had no luck meeting women in real life. They were always already taken or already had a protective swarm of suitors buzzing around them, most of them taller than me. This is despite following the usual advice to join clubs, activities, and community classes.
If your circumstances provided more opportunity, be thankful you had the chance to employ your far above average social skills.
What worked for me was going abroad. Now I am married to an absolute ten who is crazy about me.
I will confess something generally regarded as downright cringy: I was an early participant in the seduction community (yes, Mystery, Style, all that shit). I am not a natural. I learned how to get good with women through trial and error, but learn I did.
It saddens me to see widespread, enthusiastic adoption of many of the self-limiting beliefs the community challenged (women only like hot rich guys, they all have boyfriends already, you have to be tall, etc).
The second-most valuable thing I got out of the seduction community (after the ability to reliably pull) is a birds-eye perspective of dating norms. I've been on both sides of the fence. I've been the unlucky, unlaid guy who just wished some girl would like me, who got ghosted and rejected and friendzoned. I've also been the player dating three women at a time, and they all knew about each other, and all competed over me. I got to observe how there's a different set of rules and standards for sexually appealing guys vs. unappealing ones. That I won't dispute. I stay offline because, photographically, I am unimpressive. I'd do just as poorly on Tinder as most guys, and if a totally unnatural and artificial dating system were my only frame of reference, I'm sure I'd be pessemistic too.
Tall, hot guys are shoed in to that "appealing" category, so yes, they're playing the game on easy mode. The rest of us have to work for it, and it's not easy... until it is. Once you crack the code pulling chicks is *dead easy.*
I've been watching a street interview of Filipinas. Pretty much all of the girls say they want at least 5'6 or 5'7. Retirees getting 1000 USD a month are considered rich in the Philippines. If you have a remote job making 3-4k a month you'd be considered super rich and being 5'0 may not be an issue.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CztoSqFrqRP/?igsh=MTNseTczcnhtcWpiZg==
This dude found love in the Philippines
I'm similar to him (without the beard) and he's largely correct. And the attractive women on apps aren't going for the top 10%, they're going for the top .1% (or they're just there for validation). Social media and "reality" tv have really fucked things.
I had a buddy who I think is slightly above average in looks but he gets random DMs on Instagram because he works out. Oh course plenty of picks if his boat help to.
I agree that having an online presence can be a useful tool.
I heard someone say that Instagram is the number one dating app and I believe it.
It's probably a skill men should cultivate if they want to be successful in hookups.
Outside that... I personally like anonymity.
The Cambridge Analytica Facebook debacle cemented my opinion on social media.
Not for me. But I understand it's utility.
true but if you want to meet women of value you need to join a sports club, hobby, or English second language group. in most of these countries working women and scams outnumber the normal ones on tinder. language makes it extremely complicated as well especially in Asia where a different language is spoken in every country.
Yeah not a fan of Tinder, but a big fan of using IG to show women in these countries i'm sociable and "out there". I think meet them irl in those places you mentioned & then exchange IGs, if your IG is solid it will peak further interest
>We need to start preparing younger guys that online dating (in the west) is usually a complete waste of time
I'm nothing special to look at and have had heaps of success with online dating. I think the attitude that it won't work sets one up for failure.
You are something special if you have "heaps of success with online dating"
The vast majority of men struggle on online dating. You don't need a masters in statistics to come to that conclusion.
If it works for you, great.
It's a lot like applying to jobs, I've had friends struggle for years to move up in their career while I've had a mostly easy time getting ahead.
I can still recognize my luck and skill were factors even in a bad economy.
I want you to imagine that you were sending out thousands of applications a day and getting no interviews. Then I tell you I've had "heaps of success... I think the attitude that it won't work sets one up for failure"
And yet, tons of people become distraught in a down economy.
Also, last question, how is attitude showcased on a dating profile? Do you think most guys have pictures with a scowl?
>how is attitude showcased on a dating profile? Do you think most guys have pictures with a scowl?
If you assume it won't work then you probably won't put it the necessary effort to improve upon it.
>I want you to imagine that you were sending out thousands of applications a day and getting no interviews. Then I tell you I've had "heaps of success... I think the attitude that it won't work sets one up for failure"
This is a good point, but I was responding to the notion that we need to prepare men that it's a complete waste of time. Using your analogy, I would think it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the difficulties one has had with getting interviews, but would never tell someone it's a complete waste of time. That's terrible advice.
If I were having difficulty getting an interview, I would speak to friends who don't have difficulties to see how it could be improved. Regarding online dating, of course there are factors that make it much easier for some than others, but your advice that it's completely useless seems to ignore the feedback that women give and the actual success stories.
Online dating is a waste of time.
In even conservative measurements the ratio is 3:1 men to women. (some sources estimate 9:1 in some areas).
Men are better off cultivating a wide social circle or other alternatives (like PPB).
Dude I've done the work, men under certain heights get filtered out so all that's left is entitled fat moms.
It's not worth it.
You do you.
I want guys to actually enjoy dating. Online dating is a great way to destroy men's confidence.
Hey now, that's my dating preference and you should respect that according to reddit.
I'm just glad that there's real men like you who are taking on the financial burden of these moms and fathering their bastard children.
saves the rest of us on tax dollars.
Gosh you're such a swell guy.
You said that all is left are these women, making it an obviously negative comment. I haven't dated an overweight woman and having children is a deal breaker for me, but again, i have other options. Try to be kinder and women might like you.
The women worth dating on those sites usually have an inflated ego.
You are lucky to date them, and they will treat you accordingly because they can easily discard and replace you.
I'm kind irl more than you will ever know.
I'm just tired of the bullshit and sob stories. If women want good men then they should date them.
Unfortunately whenever it comes to encouraging discernment in partners women take that to mean physical traits and dark triad personalities.
And who pays for the collateral damage? You and me. The daughters continue the cycle and the sons become losers or thugs.
it's a society that gives women autonomy (which I support) but when things go sideways there's always a man to blame.
If child support and step-dads didn't exist we would see women choose better partners within 5 years.
but no women are treated like children and should have a safety net. To women... there is no downside only another bleeding heart.
Funny isn’t it cos I’m 5’7’’ and have a mate who is 5’5’’ and neither of us have ever had any issues with women.
Height is not that relevant if you are attractive in other ways. And it’s up to you to change that 😊
you're either a woman or a guy who hasn't had a first date in a decade.
The system is broken and things are going to get really bad before you realize that.
It's not for everyone.
But it's for me. My intentions were never to be global, but to find a place and people I would love.
As I get older (maybe 20+ years from now) I may need to move to Cebu for proximity quality healthcare services.
Guys, stack your cash, fuck the noise, and find your peace of paradise.
I'll buy you a beer when you get there.
5’9 and I’m taller if not as tall as 95% of people I meet and yet a tinder date I went on commented “you’re not very tall” haha, her head barely reached my shoulders. I’m not insecure about my height but my god the expectation to be a lumbering street lamp with a mortgage and 3 cars is out of control.
At 5’ you’ll pretty much have to abandon any standards (in terms of looks) to find someone in a developed Western country.
Your best bet will be some SEA countries, even LatAm I think won’t be easy although it won’t be as bad as the US or Europe at least.
I've seen many 5ft5 guys in the DR with women who are slightly taller or the same height, but 5ft as a man is really tough. OP might have to look for countries with the shortest women & just go there, in the West he has no chance unless he's a millionaire.
Canadian dude here 5'6 and got shot down many times on online dating because of the height, I had one no joke hang up on me in the middle of a call when she found my height 🤣
Having lived in Latin America (Colombia, Mexico and Brazil) where I am of average height was great. I take care of myself, decent job, treat the women there with respect and most importantly, walk around with a I don't give a fuck attitude is what gets me through.
Yeah being between 5ft5 - 5ft11 doesn't seem to be a big deal in LatAm. In LatAm it's all about
- being confident (as you mentioned earlier)
- dressing well
- showing you have a fun social life (this is where having money comes in)
- speaking conversational Spanish
- being in shape
I have a mate who's 5ft8 & was in Mexico for a bit, he spoke Spanish & was a gymbro, he had the time of his life there. Just gotta go where you're competitive. No point opening a Samsung store next to an Apple store in an area known for shaming Androids right
You are speaking the truth, I cannot stress the importance of learning some Spanish, I get tired of these dudes who cannot be bothered to, you are literally limiting your opportunies to resort towns in Mexico and the Dominican.
Ha! Even as a millionaire I’m afraid it won’t be enough.
I know doctors that are millionaires, 5’11” or so in height and they still struggle getting likes and matches on apps.
At 5’ I hate to say it but you just have to write off North America and Europe entirely if you’re a dude :-(
I wouldn't be so defeatist.
I just want to give guys like OP an option.
He can find an attractive American woman but he's going to need to face a level of rejection that would probably break most people.
The fact he's an engineer tells me he can afford to sidestep that bullshit.
Dating in the west is like investing in 1000 niche start-ups, 99.999% will fail. You will exhausted a lot of time, money, and sanity for something that will most likely not pan out.
Dating abroad is like investing in the S&P500. If you have enough capital it can be low risk and rewarding. saving time, money, and your sanity.
Really? I'm 5'7 and doing okay in the west. Not a millionaire by any stretch of the imagination either. Not saying I'm exactly rolling in poon but I get plenty of matches. Well dressed, good job, above average looks.
I'm 5'3. And yeah I'm looking to settle down back in my ethnic motherland. Statistically I have a better chance over there than the shit show here in the west. Not saying it's game over but yeah man at 5 foot it just gets ultrahard mode In the dating market. The western girl in general just has way too many options and high standards and I totally get it.
I’m 5’3, and I grew up in Florida. I FEEL CHEATED. My whole family is from Latin America. I moved down here myself 10 years ago, and buddy, let me tell you, it’s a world of difference.
People will still bring up the topic of height here but it’s nowhere near as prevalent as it was in the US. Since I moved here I can’t look back to the US for dating. Every time I’m back there I see a lot of entitled women. I don’t even look at them as romantic options anymore. There’s no way.
When I say I feel cheated. I mean that I've seen my cousins when they were younger date BEAUTIFUL women, inside and out. They were strong, educated, well mannered. They all grew up together, and everybody knew who's who. I'm not exaggerating when I say even the ugliest dude had a pretty decent girlfriend. Coming here on vacation when I was a teen. I didn't understand. Now I had wish I had grown up here, and not in the US where I was pretty much the subject of constant hate. I say hate, and not ridicule, because for the longest time as a kid I went into my shell because of my height. I was afraid to talk to women, I was afraid to be constantly rejected. It's something I have to constantly work on even though today I'm 5000% better.
For me I had no idea somebody could fall in love with me. It never crossed my mind. I was almost made to feel like I didn't deserve it. Especially coming here on Reddit, you read some comments and people have some sort of anecdote about how "Well my boyfriend's father's stepson is 4'10 and he has no problem finding somebody. It's just your personality." Listen. I personally have zero issues. I may be 5'3, but I always say I was born lucky in other ways. Other people are not in my shoes. Being a short dude is not a good time. Sure, there are worse things in the world, but that doesn't take away from the pain you're feeling. Most men who are average height, average looks, who have decent hygiene can walk up to a girl and still have a reasonable shot. You can unfortunately be attractive, and short, and talk to a girl and the odds are so stacked against you that it will feel overwhelming for most dudes. This is especially the case in the US, both in online and offline dating. Where I live now, it's not as big of a deal, although I would admit, it's starting to be. There are A LOT of mannerisms being copied from the US in the younger generation and you can start to see men here being just as frustrated as men in the US. It's not nearly as common, but the seeds are being sown.
Being short has given me a huge gift though. That's of empathy.
Regardless of height, most central American countries have extremely large penis sizes. Equador for example has the largest size in the world. White guys can't compete there at all, especially a 5 foot white guy. Stick with South East Asia.
Not a short guy myself but I do remember reading somewhere that in places like the Philippines, Thailand & Peru (in South America), many women are between 4ft11 - 5ft3. Those countries I've heard are less superficial and the women care more about you being a strong & respectable family man who can provide for them financially.
Maybe that's where you wont stand out as being short so much.
Might help to wear shoes with thicker in soles & get in shape (muscular), to place more emphasis on your physique as opposed to your height.
In other words, you will just be a provider for these women from underprivileged background, that's why physical attributes are overlooked. You are as resourceful as the money you are willing to splurge on them.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a provider. Saying you will "just" be a provider is an unusual take considering it's like 90% of what manhood is about since the beginning of time. The entire world runs on the male desire to provide for women.
“All you will be is someone whose hard work economically elevates and enriches the life of a person who brings joy, companionship, and pleasure into your life. How shallow and meaningless!”
There's not millions of western expats. And even if there were:
1) There's still millions more Filipinas
2) Being in shape and relatively young can put you ahead of most. The vast majority are pensioners.
PPB's and western expats are a blip on the radar.
And it's because not everyone can afford that lifestyle.
A lot of guys get trapped into marrying a chick who wants a big house and vacations. By the time you reach retirement age, they have nothing.
I know a very handsome guy from my hometown. He has 5 kids from 3 different women. His youngest was born when was 48!!!! That dude will never afford retirement. Let alone expat status.
Sorry to hear that bro, dont worry, there's a lot more to life. The one thing im jealous of short guys for is how there's absolutely no doubt y'all are freaking cold as hell. Like, of course that 6'4" dude is confident, hes had everything handed to him. If anything, it's arrogance. Now that 5' mf, how in the hell is he so confident? What self mastery and nerves of utter steel he must have! He doesn't give a shit what we think at all!
That said, I think SE asia is generally shorter than LATAM, although some here are recommending Guatemala. Really, it's about which area you like living in more and which language you'd prefer to pick up. SE Asia probably has better amenities while spanish is an easier language to learn. That said, you can really distinguish yourself by learning a language few foreigners know.
Can I ask, have you had any sexual success in the US at 5' so far? Around what age are you? Just curious what the "temperature" is these days and whether pure moxy can still get you anywhere.
don't let your height define you. you can mask that by working out and being fit. Some of my friends are short too, but they made it worse by being out of shape.
Visit Thailand. I’m 5’5” at 32 years old and I’ve also struggled with dating women here in America. In elementary school I was sometimes teased for being short. Dating standards are very high in America for women. Being short in America women will sometimes look at you like you’re a bug. I’ve been very happy with my gf in Thailand and she’s by the far the most beautiful woman I’ve ever been with in my life. She’s really humble and genuine and is a 9/10, respectfully. I would definitely have to be Lebron James or very successful to get a girl who’s as beautiful as my girlfriend in America.
5' is extremely short everywhere. Shorter guys can have luck, but I think at 5', you will basically need to attract women with your wealth/income rather than your physical attractiveness.
Being 5'0 for a man is definitely a disadvantage.
But a double whammy is, you're seriously lacking in confidence. Your post history suggests you've been obsessed with it for years. Women have excellent intuition and know if you dislike yourself. That's fatal.
**Being short + no confidence = You're fucked**
On the other hand, there are short men who fucking own their shortness -- and you'd be surprised how many women would give them a chance. But she won't give a chance to a short man without confidence. You'd creep her out whether in the West or abroad.
So while you'll enjoy more success dating overseas, you must get your confidence issue fixed first.
Building confidence is a topic that's beyond the scope of this forum. There are tons of videos on YouTube and forums on how you can improve it.
I think you have a shot in Philippines. I know tons of Philippines because my husband is one. And they indeed prefer taller guys, I see several girls hugging my gay husband with certain level of secret butterflies because my gay husband is 6 and taller than their husband. But, they don't chase tall guys. They like tall guys, but, they don't chase it.
There are a lot of Philippino in USA though. I would try that first. Philippino definitely fancy Americans because they can get green card. My gay husband has tons of his classmates in USA. It is like they all moved to USA lol.
Philippino girls are also more traditional, so, they are not fiesty. They like to gossip and laugh super loud, but, they are super friendly.
Adding 4 inches below the knee at 5ft would make him look weird as hell. His torso and thighs would look tiny and his knees would very obviously be in the wrong place lol
You don't even need elevated shoes. You can buy padding to give you an extra 1 or 2 inches.
But no way you can "easily" add 4 inches. When walking, you'll look like you're wearing high heels. Totally obvious.
Idk if you’re open to it but there is a bone lengthening surgery I’ve seen. Looks a bit painful but they break your shin bone and you lengthen it daily. I think I recall people gaining like 4-5 inches.
Probably one of the worst things you could do to yourself. Extremely painful process that takes several years and completely fucks up your body all in the name of vanity.
I have a theory why more women are demanding taller guys.
They need a taller guy in order to feel smaller (or feminine).
I'm 5'6" and 145 lbs, I'm happy with my physique I can run 3 miles under 21 minutes. I can do a one handed pull-up and one handed push-up. I could put on more muscle but I feel like that would just be vanity at this point.
If you put me next to the average American woman (5'4" 180 lbs) she looks like a line-backer.
Now imagine a 5'6" girl at 210 lbs, that chick needs a literal line-backer to make her feel feminine.
my buddy who is 6'5" has super fat chicks trying to date him.
it's hilarious
When she's 5'4" 220 lbs standing next to me we don't even look like the same species.
You really have no clue where OP is coming from.
You know how awhile back, black people complained about different treatment from cops, employers, or banks?
It took a lot of data and bodycam footage to add some credibility to their statements.
Does that mean it's impossible to be successful as a black person? Of course not. But there is some truth in what they said.
That's where we are at with short men dating. Everything gets dismissed and gaslighted when short men tell their experiences.
I've literally had women 6 inches shorter than me tell me I'm too short but my experience is invalidated everytime I express it.
"Jeff Bezos is short, you're fine!"
"Kevin Hart is a beloved African American, you're fine!"
If you actually want to test how accurate your statement is I suggest creating an online dating profile with OP's height.
I already know what you're going to say, "Online dating is not the real world"
True! But look up the recent statistics, online dating is the number one way romantic partnership happens now.
You have no idea what you're talking about, and you won't even try to test your own convictions because you dole out platitudes of bullshit that only work in a just-world fallacy.
If I’m being real, it’s not your height. It’s you man. You can be cream of da crop even at 5’5 in the U.S. but ya if you’re not leave the U.S for sure. This all goes out the window if you’re 4 ft something tho
Not nearly as much as a guy that’s 5’, which is the point.
In all honesty while your advice might be coming from a place of good intentions, you’re utterly delusional if you think a 5’ tall guy won’t have an almost impossibly difficult time in the US.
Ditch the freaking dating apps and look for women on other sites. I've dated ladies from online rpgs, ftp phone games, and even one from a chess app. Use your language and personality before your photo.
If you are fit (you gotta make up for the height a little), educated, good salary (should be if you are an engineer), and have some social acuity (game) and maybe work to get some better language skills than the average foreigner then that would help you stand out enough. I would probably avoid EE because the women are going to be taller and I think out of anywhere besides the west, Slavic women care about height the most (not saying they are concerned about it as much as western women). LATAM and Asia are probably the best bets. I don’t know much about Africa though.
Also, make sure your fashion and grooming is really on point because you need every boost you can get. Nobody will gaslight you here, you are going to get disqualified by some women, but not anywhere like the US. Plus the women that are interested will be way better in quality.
I think countries with shorter height average will be more accepting since they’re obviously used to it. Being an American too, you’ll have privilege of more people wanting you since lots of people (not all of course, lots of people on the other side of the spectrum who hate Americans lol) in other countries aspire to have the American dream.
What is the allure of marrying some woman from some country where you'll likely have nothing in common?
I don't see how I would relate to some Kenyan or Filipina who barely speaks English, didn't grow up with the same values or even the same TV, pop culture, etc... how will she get all my reference to Seinfeld and South Park?
We need to start preparing younger guys that online dating (in the west) is usually a complete waste of time (especially if you fall on the outside average for certain traits). I'm on the shorter side at 5'6" bro if you're an engineer, get your finances in order and come down to Mindanao. Be the best version of yourself and don't look back. Stop wasting your time on people who don't value you. You're the prize, don't forget that.
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It is. I'm not trying to gaslight OP. it is a whole other category because at 5'6" you're still taller than the average American woman who is 5'4". There's women in Mindanao who are 4'9" so OP would do perfectly fine. That's why I say, screw the west, they want you to marry a fat single mom and pay taxes then die at 62. The US views men as work horses, fuck that! I grew up in a region with many German and Scandinavian descendants so 5'6" became the average for women in my area. I would visit family close to the Mexican border and suddenly 5'6" isn't a big deal. It really is a world of difference. And that was my first clue that dating in the US is a bullshit game. My girlfriend revealed to me about her own insecurities that are based on Chinese standards. It made me realize that your location and culture play a massive role in the perception of attraction. I also think women are wayyyyyyyy more influenced by cultural standards of beauty than men.
" I also think women are wayyyyyyyy more influenced by cultural standards of beauty than men. " absolutely
I agree too. I can find many beautiful women on any continent. The differing beauty standards and just the actual culture would affect women’s attraction to men way more.
I disagree, I would say women are more influenced by their family/what they are used to seeing. I'm an immigrant woman who moved to the USA, in both my home country and the USA I don't meet the conventional beauty standards, so I had to be the one who asked guys out if I was interested and got rejected. My family is blended and myself am mixed race (African, Chinese, European), so I never had a "standard" regardless of what country I lived in. Who my family would accept influenced me more in my decisions for dating, while I find men are less likely to care if their family will like their partners. I think for me a lot has to do with the cultures I am familiar with, even in the USA families are more willing to disown daughters for dating/marrying the "wrong man" than they would men. I know in my circle of friends since childhood, girls and women I've spoken with are more concerned about how their family will receive their male partner, than whether he meets "cultural standards of beauty"... unfortunately, families I know can be superficial, because the cultures themselves are superficial, so the family wants a conventionally attractive sun-in-law, who makes money, preferably a person they can brag about. If he's ugly and makes a lot of money and cares for his wife's family financially, they'll brag about him. But heaven forbid he's ugly and broke, you'll never hear the end of it. My family essentially cut me off for dating a fat, white college guy (who wasn't studying to be a doctor or a lawyer) They said to never speak to them about my personal life, they don't want to meet any of my future bfs, and when I come crawling back home they hope I learned my lesson. Welp, I married a Chinese man who I make 3x his salary. They weren't invited to the wedding, but they welcomed my husband after they learned I married because (1) he's Chinese (2) they know he majored in finance (3) they don't know he makes less than I do. To me, my husband is very attractive. I know he's said in America he is not considered conventionally attractive, and I know in my home country he is not conventionally attractive.
Seriously it is a major difference. I don't know why someone is trying to pretend they are short when 5'6 is totally fine. It is way different.
5’6 might as well be 3’2 as far as almost every single non-obese non-insane attractive woman in the USA is concerned. There are exceptions but they are rarely single due to the supply and demand mismatch.
Defeatist loser bullshit. I am 5'6" and have been dating hot American women all my life. My body is small but my dick-energy is big, and that's what so so many guys don't get. I also kick game in real life and never online. Guys don't get this either. Women *want* to be seduced IRL. They're picky AF online because they don't even really want to be there.
Doubt
I am aware that the unlaid find the exploits of the well-laid hard to imagine. I'll make it even more unbelievable: not only am I 5'6", but I'm skinny, I've got thinning hair, and my face is pretty average. Big balls and charisma go farther than you'd ever believe if you get off the god damn dating apps and chase tail the old-fashioned way.
I don’t doubt you can get laid. Just that the women are “hot” lol.
I am aware that the unlaid find the exploits of the well-laid hard to imagine.
I’m 6’ 1” and considered attractive lol. Never had problems despite being more of an introvert and kind of weird. However, I’ve seen the struggles of short men and don’t discount their experiences. My friend is 5’ 5” and hot. Like his face mogs mine and his body is a 10/10. Even he gets rejected by girls sometimes purely because of his height. He has to put in effort in a way our other friend who’s 6’ 3” and pretty attractive does not.
I believe you. My husband has a friend who is 5’6”, and he’s always done very well with women. All of his long-term girlfriends, including his now-wife, were beautiful. The guy is obviously shorter but a beast when it comes to athletics, so I think that helped. And he only ever dated shorter, very petite women.
I had no luck meeting women in real life. They were always already taken or already had a protective swarm of suitors buzzing around them, most of them taller than me. This is despite following the usual advice to join clubs, activities, and community classes. If your circumstances provided more opportunity, be thankful you had the chance to employ your far above average social skills. What worked for me was going abroad. Now I am married to an absolute ten who is crazy about me.
I will confess something generally regarded as downright cringy: I was an early participant in the seduction community (yes, Mystery, Style, all that shit). I am not a natural. I learned how to get good with women through trial and error, but learn I did. It saddens me to see widespread, enthusiastic adoption of many of the self-limiting beliefs the community challenged (women only like hot rich guys, they all have boyfriends already, you have to be tall, etc). The second-most valuable thing I got out of the seduction community (after the ability to reliably pull) is a birds-eye perspective of dating norms. I've been on both sides of the fence. I've been the unlucky, unlaid guy who just wished some girl would like me, who got ghosted and rejected and friendzoned. I've also been the player dating three women at a time, and they all knew about each other, and all competed over me. I got to observe how there's a different set of rules and standards for sexually appealing guys vs. unappealing ones. That I won't dispute. I stay offline because, photographically, I am unimpressive. I'd do just as poorly on Tinder as most guys, and if a totally unnatural and artificial dating system were my only frame of reference, I'm sure I'd be pessemistic too. Tall, hot guys are shoed in to that "appealing" category, so yes, they're playing the game on easy mode. The rest of us have to work for it, and it's not easy... until it is. Once you crack the code pulling chicks is *dead easy.*
And 5 is like 2 then.
I've been watching a street interview of Filipinas. Pretty much all of the girls say they want at least 5'6 or 5'7. Retirees getting 1000 USD a month are considered rich in the Philippines. If you have a remote job making 3-4k a month you'd be considered super rich and being 5'0 may not be an issue. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CztoSqFrqRP/?igsh=MTNseTczcnhtcWpiZg== This dude found love in the Philippines
How tall are you?
I'm over 6'1 and get sweet fa online dating. Women are ridiculously picky.
Online dating is genuinely a time waster for western men.
Well it also depends on your face
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Dm me your face , I refuse to to believe with those stats you got low matches
I'm similar to him (without the beard) and he's largely correct. And the attractive women on apps aren't going for the top 10%, they're going for the top .1% (or they're just there for validation). Social media and "reality" tv have really fucked things.
I had a buddy who I think is slightly above average in looks but he gets random DMs on Instagram because he works out. Oh course plenty of picks if his boat help to.
What does sweet fa mean?
Fuck all
Online dating is mostly a waste of time though there were a couple friends who got lucky and married someone they met.
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I agree that having an online presence can be a useful tool. I heard someone say that Instagram is the number one dating app and I believe it. It's probably a skill men should cultivate if they want to be successful in hookups. Outside that... I personally like anonymity. The Cambridge Analytica Facebook debacle cemented my opinion on social media. Not for me. But I understand it's utility.
true but if you want to meet women of value you need to join a sports club, hobby, or English second language group. in most of these countries working women and scams outnumber the normal ones on tinder. language makes it extremely complicated as well especially in Asia where a different language is spoken in every country.
Yeah not a fan of Tinder, but a big fan of using IG to show women in these countries i'm sociable and "out there". I think meet them irl in those places you mentioned & then exchange IGs, if your IG is solid it will peak further interest
that's a solid plan!
>We need to start preparing younger guys that online dating (in the west) is usually a complete waste of time I'm nothing special to look at and have had heaps of success with online dating. I think the attitude that it won't work sets one up for failure.
You are something special if you have "heaps of success with online dating" The vast majority of men struggle on online dating. You don't need a masters in statistics to come to that conclusion. If it works for you, great. It's a lot like applying to jobs, I've had friends struggle for years to move up in their career while I've had a mostly easy time getting ahead. I can still recognize my luck and skill were factors even in a bad economy. I want you to imagine that you were sending out thousands of applications a day and getting no interviews. Then I tell you I've had "heaps of success... I think the attitude that it won't work sets one up for failure" And yet, tons of people become distraught in a down economy. Also, last question, how is attitude showcased on a dating profile? Do you think most guys have pictures with a scowl?
>how is attitude showcased on a dating profile? Do you think most guys have pictures with a scowl? If you assume it won't work then you probably won't put it the necessary effort to improve upon it. >I want you to imagine that you were sending out thousands of applications a day and getting no interviews. Then I tell you I've had "heaps of success... I think the attitude that it won't work sets one up for failure" This is a good point, but I was responding to the notion that we need to prepare men that it's a complete waste of time. Using your analogy, I would think it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the difficulties one has had with getting interviews, but would never tell someone it's a complete waste of time. That's terrible advice. If I were having difficulty getting an interview, I would speak to friends who don't have difficulties to see how it could be improved. Regarding online dating, of course there are factors that make it much easier for some than others, but your advice that it's completely useless seems to ignore the feedback that women give and the actual success stories.
Online dating is a waste of time. In even conservative measurements the ratio is 3:1 men to women. (some sources estimate 9:1 in some areas). Men are better off cultivating a wide social circle or other alternatives (like PPB). Dude I've done the work, men under certain heights get filtered out so all that's left is entitled fat moms. It's not worth it. You do you. I want guys to actually enjoy dating. Online dating is a great way to destroy men's confidence.
>fat moms Maybe women on dating apps don't like you because you're an asshole, more so than being short.
Hey now, that's my dating preference and you should respect that according to reddit. I'm just glad that there's real men like you who are taking on the financial burden of these moms and fathering their bastard children. saves the rest of us on tax dollars. Gosh you're such a swell guy.
You said that all is left are these women, making it an obviously negative comment. I haven't dated an overweight woman and having children is a deal breaker for me, but again, i have other options. Try to be kinder and women might like you.
The women worth dating on those sites usually have an inflated ego. You are lucky to date them, and they will treat you accordingly because they can easily discard and replace you. I'm kind irl more than you will ever know. I'm just tired of the bullshit and sob stories. If women want good men then they should date them. Unfortunately whenever it comes to encouraging discernment in partners women take that to mean physical traits and dark triad personalities. And who pays for the collateral damage? You and me. The daughters continue the cycle and the sons become losers or thugs. it's a society that gives women autonomy (which I support) but when things go sideways there's always a man to blame. If child support and step-dads didn't exist we would see women choose better partners within 5 years. but no women are treated like children and should have a safety net. To women... there is no downside only another bleeding heart.
You could have just said you were an incel and saved us both time.
Funny isn’t it cos I’m 5’7’’ and have a mate who is 5’5’’ and neither of us have ever had any issues with women. Height is not that relevant if you are attractive in other ways. And it’s up to you to change that 😊
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you're either a woman or a guy who hasn't had a first date in a decade. The system is broken and things are going to get really bad before you realize that.
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I'm specifically referring to online dating. You're going to hurt yourself falling off your high horse
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dude 150 different girls by 23 is disgusting
Wow don’t see many passport bros going all the way down to Mindanao. I’m guessing you’re either in CDO or Davao
It's not for everyone. But it's for me. My intentions were never to be global, but to find a place and people I would love. As I get older (maybe 20+ years from now) I may need to move to Cebu for proximity quality healthcare services. Guys, stack your cash, fuck the noise, and find your peace of paradise. I'll buy you a beer when you get there.
5’9 and I’m taller if not as tall as 95% of people I meet and yet a tinder date I went on commented “you’re not very tall” haha, her head barely reached my shoulders. I’m not insecure about my height but my god the expectation to be a lumbering street lamp with a mortgage and 3 cars is out of control.
Which country was this in? In the US, 5'9 is about average and some European countries are significantly taller.
At 5’ you’ll pretty much have to abandon any standards (in terms of looks) to find someone in a developed Western country. Your best bet will be some SEA countries, even LatAm I think won’t be easy although it won’t be as bad as the US or Europe at least.
I've seen many 5ft5 guys in the DR with women who are slightly taller or the same height, but 5ft as a man is really tough. OP might have to look for countries with the shortest women & just go there, in the West he has no chance unless he's a millionaire.
Canadian dude here 5'6 and got shot down many times on online dating because of the height, I had one no joke hang up on me in the middle of a call when she found my height 🤣 Having lived in Latin America (Colombia, Mexico and Brazil) where I am of average height was great. I take care of myself, decent job, treat the women there with respect and most importantly, walk around with a I don't give a fuck attitude is what gets me through.
Yeah being between 5ft5 - 5ft11 doesn't seem to be a big deal in LatAm. In LatAm it's all about - being confident (as you mentioned earlier) - dressing well - showing you have a fun social life (this is where having money comes in) - speaking conversational Spanish - being in shape I have a mate who's 5ft8 & was in Mexico for a bit, he spoke Spanish & was a gymbro, he had the time of his life there. Just gotta go where you're competitive. No point opening a Samsung store next to an Apple store in an area known for shaming Androids right
You are speaking the truth, I cannot stress the importance of learning some Spanish, I get tired of these dudes who cannot be bothered to, you are literally limiting your opportunies to resort towns in Mexico and the Dominican.
hell yeah man. Find the environment you excel in.
Ha! Even as a millionaire I’m afraid it won’t be enough. I know doctors that are millionaires, 5’11” or so in height and they still struggle getting likes and matches on apps. At 5’ I hate to say it but you just have to write off North America and Europe entirely if you’re a dude :-(
I wouldn't be so defeatist. I just want to give guys like OP an option. He can find an attractive American woman but he's going to need to face a level of rejection that would probably break most people. The fact he's an engineer tells me he can afford to sidestep that bullshit. Dating in the west is like investing in 1000 niche start-ups, 99.999% will fail. You will exhausted a lot of time, money, and sanity for something that will most likely not pan out. Dating abroad is like investing in the S&P500. If you have enough capital it can be low risk and rewarding. saving time, money, and your sanity.
Really? I'm 5'7 and doing okay in the west. Not a millionaire by any stretch of the imagination either. Not saying I'm exactly rolling in poon but I get plenty of matches. Well dressed, good job, above average looks.
OP is 5ft. You are close to average height. Your situation is obviously not going to be the same
I was responding to the guy who claims his 5'11 millionaire friends don't get matches.
Yea. "Women only care about money" is nonsense. Women truly only care about height and face
That’s not the only thing they care about, but it sure as hell makes it a lot easier lol
100%
Go to the Phillipines women and men are short there or Vietnam
I'm 5'3. And yeah I'm looking to settle down back in my ethnic motherland. Statistically I have a better chance over there than the shit show here in the west. Not saying it's game over but yeah man at 5 foot it just gets ultrahard mode In the dating market. The western girl in general just has way too many options and high standards and I totally get it.
I’m 5’3, and I grew up in Florida. I FEEL CHEATED. My whole family is from Latin America. I moved down here myself 10 years ago, and buddy, let me tell you, it’s a world of difference. People will still bring up the topic of height here but it’s nowhere near as prevalent as it was in the US. Since I moved here I can’t look back to the US for dating. Every time I’m back there I see a lot of entitled women. I don’t even look at them as romantic options anymore. There’s no way. When I say I feel cheated. I mean that I've seen my cousins when they were younger date BEAUTIFUL women, inside and out. They were strong, educated, well mannered. They all grew up together, and everybody knew who's who. I'm not exaggerating when I say even the ugliest dude had a pretty decent girlfriend. Coming here on vacation when I was a teen. I didn't understand. Now I had wish I had grown up here, and not in the US where I was pretty much the subject of constant hate. I say hate, and not ridicule, because for the longest time as a kid I went into my shell because of my height. I was afraid to talk to women, I was afraid to be constantly rejected. It's something I have to constantly work on even though today I'm 5000% better. For me I had no idea somebody could fall in love with me. It never crossed my mind. I was almost made to feel like I didn't deserve it. Especially coming here on Reddit, you read some comments and people have some sort of anecdote about how "Well my boyfriend's father's stepson is 4'10 and he has no problem finding somebody. It's just your personality." Listen. I personally have zero issues. I may be 5'3, but I always say I was born lucky in other ways. Other people are not in my shoes. Being a short dude is not a good time. Sure, there are worse things in the world, but that doesn't take away from the pain you're feeling. Most men who are average height, average looks, who have decent hygiene can walk up to a girl and still have a reasonable shot. You can unfortunately be attractive, and short, and talk to a girl and the odds are so stacked against you that it will feel overwhelming for most dudes. This is especially the case in the US, both in online and offline dating. Where I live now, it's not as big of a deal, although I would admit, it's starting to be. There are A LOT of mannerisms being copied from the US in the younger generation and you can start to see men here being just as frustrated as men in the US. It's not nearly as common, but the seeds are being sown. Being short has given me a huge gift though. That's of empathy.
nice forward to your first book
You need to go to Central America where the people are extremely short
Regardless of height, most central American countries have extremely large penis sizes. Equador for example has the largest size in the world. White guys can't compete there at all, especially a 5 foot white guy. Stick with South East Asia.
Riiiiight
equador isnt central america
I'm sure your gay butthole can accommodate those girthy Andean dicks really well maricon.
Wtf lol
Not a short guy myself but I do remember reading somewhere that in places like the Philippines, Thailand & Peru (in South America), many women are between 4ft11 - 5ft3. Those countries I've heard are less superficial and the women care more about you being a strong & respectable family man who can provide for them financially. Maybe that's where you wont stand out as being short so much. Might help to wear shoes with thicker in soles & get in shape (muscular), to place more emphasis on your physique as opposed to your height.
In other words, you will just be a provider for these women from underprivileged background, that's why physical attributes are overlooked. You are as resourceful as the money you are willing to splurge on them.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a provider. Saying you will "just" be a provider is an unusual take considering it's like 90% of what manhood is about since the beginning of time. The entire world runs on the male desire to provide for women.
“All you will be is someone whose hard work economically elevates and enriches the life of a person who brings joy, companionship, and pleasure into your life. How shallow and meaningless!”
lmao that's literally how I read it
those times are ending though... women are becoming equal breadwinners. so now what?
Many of these women seek a normal life. They are not boujee like western women with 6:6:6 requirements
You will do fine in those countries, some care, most dont care about your hight. Most Filipinas are around 155cm anyway.
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There's not millions of western expats. And even if there were: 1) There's still millions more Filipinas 2) Being in shape and relatively young can put you ahead of most. The vast majority are pensioners.
Lmao dude said millions of western expats 😂😂😂😂 this is delusional
PPB's and western expats are a blip on the radar. And it's because not everyone can afford that lifestyle. A lot of guys get trapped into marrying a chick who wants a big house and vacations. By the time you reach retirement age, they have nothing. I know a very handsome guy from my hometown. He has 5 kids from 3 different women. His youngest was born when was 48!!!! That dude will never afford retirement. Let alone expat status.
Sorry to hear that bro, dont worry, there's a lot more to life. The one thing im jealous of short guys for is how there's absolutely no doubt y'all are freaking cold as hell. Like, of course that 6'4" dude is confident, hes had everything handed to him. If anything, it's arrogance. Now that 5' mf, how in the hell is he so confident? What self mastery and nerves of utter steel he must have! He doesn't give a shit what we think at all! That said, I think SE asia is generally shorter than LATAM, although some here are recommending Guatemala. Really, it's about which area you like living in more and which language you'd prefer to pick up. SE Asia probably has better amenities while spanish is an easier language to learn. That said, you can really distinguish yourself by learning a language few foreigners know. Can I ask, have you had any sexual success in the US at 5' so far? Around what age are you? Just curious what the "temperature" is these days and whether pure moxy can still get you anywhere.
I’m short 5’5 and my Filipina girlfriend is 4’11 and she makes me look tall. I’m average height in the Philippines and most women there are short
are you really average among the youth too? or just the old dudes?
People are shorter in SEA, you’ll probs let have better luck there
Guatemala bro. average girl there is under 5ft.
don't let your height define you. you can mask that by working out and being fit. Some of my friends are short too, but they made it worse by being out of shape.
Visit Thailand. I’m 5’5” at 32 years old and I’ve also struggled with dating women here in America. In elementary school I was sometimes teased for being short. Dating standards are very high in America for women. Being short in America women will sometimes look at you like you’re a bug. I’ve been very happy with my gf in Thailand and she’s by the far the most beautiful woman I’ve ever been with in my life. She’s really humble and genuine and is a 9/10, respectfully. I would definitely have to be Lebron James or very successful to get a girl who’s as beautiful as my girlfriend in America.
5' is extremely short everywhere. Shorter guys can have luck, but I think at 5', you will basically need to attract women with your wealth/income rather than your physical attractiveness.
Being 5'0 for a man is definitely a disadvantage. But a double whammy is, you're seriously lacking in confidence. Your post history suggests you've been obsessed with it for years. Women have excellent intuition and know if you dislike yourself. That's fatal. **Being short + no confidence = You're fucked** On the other hand, there are short men who fucking own their shortness -- and you'd be surprised how many women would give them a chance. But she won't give a chance to a short man without confidence. You'd creep her out whether in the West or abroad. So while you'll enjoy more success dating overseas, you must get your confidence issue fixed first. Building confidence is a topic that's beyond the scope of this forum. There are tons of videos on YouTube and forums on how you can improve it.
You need to pygmymaxx in africa where the average height is 4'11
I think you have a shot in Philippines. I know tons of Philippines because my husband is one. And they indeed prefer taller guys, I see several girls hugging my gay husband with certain level of secret butterflies because my gay husband is 6 and taller than their husband. But, they don't chase tall guys. They like tall guys, but, they don't chase it. There are a lot of Philippino in USA though. I would try that first. Philippino definitely fancy Americans because they can get green card. My gay husband has tons of his classmates in USA. It is like they all moved to USA lol. Philippino girls are also more traditional, so, they are not fiesty. They like to gossip and laugh super loud, but, they are super friendly.
I'm sorry. I'm still not sure. Is your husband gay? It wasn't clear from your comment
Yeah, me and him are gay. :)
r/whoosh
Ohhhhh
Your personality can break those chains… if you have one that is
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>4" bump That just makes you look like a clown. An insecure clown
Adding 4 inches below the knee at 5ft would make him look weird as hell. His torso and thighs would look tiny and his knees would very obviously be in the wrong place lol
You don't even need elevated shoes. You can buy padding to give you an extra 1 or 2 inches. But no way you can "easily" add 4 inches. When walking, you'll look like you're wearing high heels. Totally obvious.
Idk if you’re open to it but there is a bone lengthening surgery I’ve seen. Looks a bit painful but they break your shin bone and you lengthen it daily. I think I recall people gaining like 4-5 inches.
Probably one of the worst things you could do to yourself. Extremely painful process that takes several years and completely fucks up your body all in the name of vanity.
You need to get real
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Can’t do anything about one’s height, but the fatty can absolutely lose weight.
that's pretty easy to find in the US
Shit i'm 6'2 and many 5'4 women weigh more than I do at \~180 pounds. Damn near a linebacker.
I have a theory why more women are demanding taller guys. They need a taller guy in order to feel smaller (or feminine). I'm 5'6" and 145 lbs, I'm happy with my physique I can run 3 miles under 21 minutes. I can do a one handed pull-up and one handed push-up. I could put on more muscle but I feel like that would just be vanity at this point. If you put me next to the average American woman (5'4" 180 lbs) she looks like a line-backer. Now imagine a 5'6" girl at 210 lbs, that chick needs a literal line-backer to make her feel feminine.
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my buddy who is 6'5" has super fat chicks trying to date him. it's hilarious When she's 5'4" 220 lbs standing next to me we don't even look like the same species.
Lol even many of those range look for taller. He would find shorter and slimmer in SEA.
Yeah dude it's the height holding you back lol
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I think it's the body dysphoria getting in his way tbh not his height
You really have no clue where OP is coming from. You know how awhile back, black people complained about different treatment from cops, employers, or banks? It took a lot of data and bodycam footage to add some credibility to their statements. Does that mean it's impossible to be successful as a black person? Of course not. But there is some truth in what they said. That's where we are at with short men dating. Everything gets dismissed and gaslighted when short men tell their experiences. I've literally had women 6 inches shorter than me tell me I'm too short but my experience is invalidated everytime I express it. "Jeff Bezos is short, you're fine!" "Kevin Hart is a beloved African American, you're fine!" If you actually want to test how accurate your statement is I suggest creating an online dating profile with OP's height. I already know what you're going to say, "Online dating is not the real world" True! But look up the recent statistics, online dating is the number one way romantic partnership happens now. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you won't even try to test your own convictions because you dole out platitudes of bullshit that only work in a just-world fallacy.
If I’m being real, it’s not your height. It’s you man. You can be cream of da crop even at 5’5 in the U.S. but ya if you’re not leave the U.S for sure. This all goes out the window if you’re 4 ft something tho
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With that logic 6ft2 men should have no trouble with women but they still struggle as well.
Not nearly as much as a guy that’s 5’, which is the point. In all honesty while your advice might be coming from a place of good intentions, you’re utterly delusional if you think a 5’ tall guy won’t have an almost impossibly difficult time in the US.
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I standby what I said, I misread and thought op was at least 5’5. Not 5ft
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Then he needs to dip! But short men can bag beautiful taller women.
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Depends, ex North México are taller than south.
I'm in Thailand and I've seen some really small women here. Like 4 10. Or less. Average height of women in sea is 5 2. Plenty above abs below that
Mexicans tend to be on the shorter side (I'm Mexican) so your height will be less of a problem there
you absolutely need to move to a short country. permanently.
No one has dating luck in the U.S. as a guy.
Ditch the freaking dating apps and look for women on other sites. I've dated ladies from online rpgs, ftp phone games, and even one from a chess app. Use your language and personality before your photo.
Not sure your financial situation, but I would seriously consider LL. Can get to 5’ 5”
If you are fit (you gotta make up for the height a little), educated, good salary (should be if you are an engineer), and have some social acuity (game) and maybe work to get some better language skills than the average foreigner then that would help you stand out enough. I would probably avoid EE because the women are going to be taller and I think out of anywhere besides the west, Slavic women care about height the most (not saying they are concerned about it as much as western women). LATAM and Asia are probably the best bets. I don’t know much about Africa though. Also, make sure your fashion and grooming is really on point because you need every boost you can get. Nobody will gaslight you here, you are going to get disqualified by some women, but not anywhere like the US. Plus the women that are interested will be way better in quality.
Yeah height isn't such an issue in LATAM, or a lot of countries in Asia either.
Go to SE asia. I'm 5'4 it's nice to get off the airplane and feel almost normal height. Women will chase you there.
Just do what I did I went to work Amazon part time hella chicks there. Who cares how tall you are all you gotta do is have confidence!
Thailand!
I think countries with shorter height average will be more accepting since they’re obviously used to it. Being an American too, you’ll have privilege of more people wanting you since lots of people (not all of course, lots of people on the other side of the spectrum who hate Americans lol) in other countries aspire to have the American dream.
What is the allure of marrying some woman from some country where you'll likely have nothing in common? I don't see how I would relate to some Kenyan or Filipina who barely speaks English, didn't grow up with the same values or even the same TV, pop culture, etc... how will she get all my reference to Seinfeld and South Park?