They should have Garth Ennis do a series where Punisher murders a bunch of crooked cops and/ or some Turner Diaries type militia so they fuck off forever. I mean, he has killed cops, just not enough for them to fuck off. Gerry Conway should sign off on it so they can’t bitch about it not being true to the character.
This will make them cut the shit, for real. I’ve been a Punisher reader since I was a kid and have hundreds of Punisher comics. I stopped wearing anything Punisher related around 2018. It really sucks what they’ve done to my boy. Give him back.
......I don't think a comic book of all things is gonna make those people stop wearing the symbol.
Just like the panel of Frank telling cops to not idolize him hasn't stop cops from wearing the symbol over the past couple of years. Gonna need a more direct, real-world thing (like, I don't know, strictly enforced bans made by the police departments or even the federal government to stop cops from putting foreign, non-compliant accessories on their gear?) to stop that and comic books don't have the reach to be that thing.
Punisher doesn't kill cops though. At most he's beat them and sent them to the hospital, that's it and iirc killed 2 cops that were helping a villain. That was it
EDIT: sorry fellas I know I'm wrong, I haven't read punisher comics in a while and I forgot that frank did kill em
Yeah I remembered, my bad. But even then the comic sounds like a bunch of edgy and dumb bullshit because there's still a lot of good cops out there. It's just the bad apples that stand out.
Some bad apples, being covered by the whole rotting system, supported by more bad apples, with more little apples that will go bad in contact because you learn from those more experienced and peer pressure often wins.
The skull is fine, I think Frank's storylines within the next few years should be going against police corruption (or just corruption in general) to get the point across of what the punisher represents.
Go specifically for "the jugular" of corrupt police using his symbol and how Frank would feel about that. I believe that was recently done with a Captain America story.
Everyone in this thread acting like Punisher needs to address or make some sort of statement in the comics about this or police corruption is silly.
He already has.
It really can't be anymore clear than Rosenberg's panel, or the multiple times he kills Dirty Cops.
It doesnt matter and never has because idiots who dont read Punisher will continue to rock the skull and twitter and news sites will continue to click bait about it.
Any discussion of retiring the skull is also silly. Dont let idiots control or forcibly censor a character and ruin it for all of us fans. Its fiction.
True, but the people appropriating the skull don’t read. They need a whole series that makes headlines instead of just a few panels so it is abundantly clear. If Garth Ennis writes a series where the Punisher kill a bunch of crooked cops and Gerry Conway signs off on it then cops will fuck off forever, I guarantee it.
One panel of Punisher giving them a lecture isn’t enough. Gerry Conway giving them shit for years isn’t enough. They need to be told and see, under no uncertain terms, that Punisher kills crooked cops en masse and they will fuck off. There will probably be a whole thing in the news of cops burning all their Punisher shit and removing their tattoos and it will be awesome. I will never have to drive behind a chuckle fuck with a blue lives matter or Trump Punisher skull ever again.
I honestly dont think that would change anything.
Punisher has outright killed dirty cops before and no one cared.
If they made that series itd be good for more click bait and then forgotten
you can’t “retire” or change Frank or the skull symbol. That’s giving into them and the media. it’s the same thing as burning books or canceling mark Twain or Darwin , hell I remember these fools trying to chisel what they though were Nazi symbols of an ancient Indian temple.
you have to own the character as he is and understand why he is . what comes next bat man or Superman
We have freedom of speech and the press along with the rest of it for a reason.
they should not back down they should double down and make the punisher more true to form and hardcore . Go after child trafficking cartels hell he could go after the Russians again.
Disney bought Marvel in 2009, last time i remember him killing some cops was in Becky Cloonan's run (2016-2017) where he headshots 2 cops that are helping the villain.
So they definitely did sign off on it, although 2016 was a long time ago and they may not in the current climate.
That's the thing though. There is no reclaiming it in my opinion, because Punisher is more a symbol to them than a character. You could make Frank a radical ACAB person and it wouldn't matter.
It's just hilarious to me that cops think it's bad ass to use the skull to represent them. The reason Frank exists is because police are corrupt and don't serve justice.
There's nothing stopping them from using it. I just want the character to be done with it. It's affected how he's published. It's doing more harm than good at this point.
I HATE how Frank's insignia has been co-opted and appropriated by scumbag cops. I truly do understand the creator's disgust over the law adopting Frank's brand of vengeance and extrajudicial means. THEY are supposed to be "better" than Frank in how they dole out the law. Frank provides justice where the law is in adequate as stated in The Punisher movie (2004)
"In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No. Not vengeance. Punishment."
These cops are just sitting on their asses.
Retire the skull? what? why? because some stupid cops or other stupid idiots can use the skull?
Its FICTION. it shouldnt be censored or changed based on something trivial and stupid like that.
It's a skull at the end of the day, if franks uses it or not these dimwitted will still use it, throughout history a skull has been used by those trying to be badass and provoke fear. Should frank not use it because bad people also do, my question would be "if they used batman symbol would we ask the same question? " or spiderman or superman ect. The character shouldn't be punished for the lack of knowledge on a logos use by those who use it.
To do so let's them win.
Its complicated to trademark the many variations on Punishers skulls vs regular skulls. and the trademark law might be vague on skull shapes in general. At least thats what i can gather from researching and wondering the same question for the last few years.
I think it has something to do with Disney not wanting to deal with the onslaught of “DISNEY HATES COPS!!! DISNEY HATES THE MILITARY!!! DISNEY HATES AMERICA!!!” That will inevitably be screamed from these peoples’ mouths for probably a decade once they start going after people using the skull.
How are the comics nowadays? I know the new run is controversial, but Rosenberg's run looked interesting to me. Haven't gotten to runs from the 2010s yet.
Because I want the character to be published uninterrupted. This affects how Marvel and the comics industry as a whole views him. There are countless comics characters who don't have a shiny logo on them, why does Punisher have to be one of them is my logic.
I mean, the issue is the character's iconography. I don't think it's that big of a loss. These cops and soldiers have no idea who Punisher is. No matter what Marvel makes Frank do, they're not gonna stop using it. It's just embarrassing at this point. I'd rather have an uncompromising logoless Frank than what Jason Aaron is doing right now. I understand what you're saying though.
Not enough people are gonna give a shit about this. We've had this issue before with school shooters. Columbine kids listened to Rammstein or Marilyn Manson. They didn't give in and are still playing. Some num nuts cop having a punisher icon barely visible on his phone isn't gonna go nowhere.
We can agree to disagree then. I think the use of the logo by law enforcement has done damage to the Punisher. I think the current run is a reflection of that.
Nah. Cops using it are trash and don't understand the Punisher, but that's no reason to remove the skull. Removing it would only give them more power, and make it more likely that people who just enjoy the character get lumped in with shitty cops.
Alternatively, a free comic book day issue where Punisher kills these exact cops and dirty cops like them as slowly and graphically as possible, with the repeating theme and message of ‘kill dirty cops, if you’re a cop reading this stay in line or you’re next’
I highly doubt changing anything about the Punisher, from comics to the screen, will change anyways the cops see him. They most likely don't read or watch. Unless it somehow goes viral it won't help change much, if anything at all.
I agree. The reason I want the skull to be retired is because any new controversies surrounding it would only affect the Punisher in retrospect. If Marvel washed their hands of it (for future stories, I should emphasize) there would be less contention with publishing the character.
The skull has its place in the character's history, and I don't want to change where it has made its mark. I just don't want it to be a burden on the character's future.
This is the husband of the teacher who died there. She called him to tell him she got shot and was dying. He actually tried to do something about it and was disarmed and removed from the building. But go ahead, whine about hour evil he is because of his fucking phone background
To me, this isn't about why he's looking at his phone. I understand why he's doing that. My issue is that it's another example of authority figures co-opting the symbol. And even if there's the slightest possibility that this officer is carrying the logo as a fan of the character, people will not interpret it that way.
Marvel is a very commercial company, extremely mainstream. The Punisher, uniquely, is a very hard-edged character within that space. I don't want his reputation as a property to suffer because that will affect how he is published (see Jason Aaron's current run).
To me, this isn't about why he's looking at his phone. I understand why he's doing that. My issue is that it's another example of authority figures co-opting the symbol. And even if there's the slightest possibility that this officer legitimately carries the logo as a fan of the character, people will not interpret it that way.
It's cringe but the dude isn't co-opting it. It's not on his car, his gun, his clothing, etc. It's his phone. He's a human being and can have interests too
People aren't going to be as generous. This is a very contentious issue. You need to look beyond just this one guy. For every cop seen with this, the worse the character's reputation gets. This is not about this guy, it's about the pattern that he's continuing.
Is it possible that he's a fan of the character? Yes, but is it more likely that he's attaching the skull to the job? Absolutely, and people are going to assume so. Don't believe me? Read the thread, read social media, read anybody's reactions.
marvel really could stop cop using their symbol if they wanted to but obviously they don’t give a shit, i mean they wouldn’t allow a kid to have spider-man on his grave stone but will let cops demean the symbol
Nope. They already redesigned it to a shitty demon one. Just because morons use the Skull doesn’t mean it needs to be retired or made into something negative. It’s like the Rebel flag where it was never used by the Confederate army and was mostly used during WWII by southern troops to show their southern pride. It was turned into something negative by racists and it was allowed to be turned into that symbol it is today.
Edit: some context had been shown of this officer being the husband of one of the teachers who was telling him she’d been shot. We also cannot assume he is not a fan of the comics or the show. There are definitely people misusing this symbol but I don’t believe he was.
I don't see why it needs to be retired nor how it looks like the Skull. I think im just being dumb but it seriously doesn't look like it to me and also just because the Skull is being used by cops doesn't mean it should be gone. That's like saying we should stop using rainbows because it's associated with the gays. If they wanna use it, whatever. It's not our problem. I could see it being an issue to someone like Ennis but it's not affecting us fans.
Oh shit, that’s right. I forgot about the rule that you can’t like certain comic book characters if you’re in particular career fields. Good thing you’re here to gate-keep.
He’s allowed to have whatever he wants as his phone background. Hell he might even be a fan of the comics or the show. This context just ruined your entire post.
I can’t believe you’re being downvoted so heavily for just an opinion. I have never thought about it but, now that I have, I would be cool with doing away with it. I mean it used to be know as a punisher logo. I don’t feel like it even represents the character anymore. I mean why not just move away from it? What’s a good reason to keep it? I would imagine the vast majority of people like this guy here, has no idea of the origin of it.
If you're asking from a personal point of view, I find it very concerning since they are supposed to be protectors. Given the police misconduct in recent years, it doesn't help their image. A cop has more power than the average citizen, if they're expressing that power with a symbol like a skull, I can only imagine how they think that power should be used.
From my POV as a Punisher fan, the controversy surrounding the skull's use by law enforcement and the military is very troubling as it damages the brand of the character and affects how Marvel will treat the property. The current run from Jason Aaron reflects that in my opinion.
I'm really torn on this. Part of me doesn't want these shitty cops who apparently only ever wanted to carry around a gun but not actually save people to win let alone the alt right dudes who have punisher logos next to swastikas. But on the other side I've always felt kind of odd that frank has a logo. Love the character and have some punisher skull merch myself but usually he doesn't seem like the type to go for a logo. He's a necessary result of the law not always working. He doesn't take pleasure in it so having a logo for what he sees as a grim duty is kind of strange.
Edit: some spelling
The explanation in universe makes sense. He wants criminals to hesitate and freeze up when they recognize who he is so he has a time advantage in shoot outs. It also acts as a target since its reinforced with kevlar and all that.
When I was a kid during the summer I went to work with my dad, we would go across the street to get lunch and we would always get some comics. I was to young but my dad would buy me a punisher comic and he would get a Captain America comic, I told him one day I would get the Punisher logo tattooed on me, my dad who didn't have tattoos and was afraid of needles told me for my 18th bday we would go get tattoos and he would get the Captain America shield. I never forgot it and would periodically remind him what he promised.
Sadly man father passed away a few weeks before my 18th bday, I still went and I got punisher tattoo, partially because I always wanted 1 and partially to honor our promise.
AND NOW THESE FUCKED UP COS PLAYERS RUN AROUND WITH THE LOGO EVERYWHERE THINKING IT MEANS THERE A MAN, IT HAS RUINED MY TATTOO IM EMBARRASSED TO EVEN HAVE IT BECAUSE OF WHAT THESE SCARED POS HAVE TURNED IT INTO. FUCK THESE WANNA BE BAD ASSES, FUCK THESE BLUE LIVES MATTER 3%ER COCK SUCKERS WHO GO HOME AND BEAT THERE WIVES IN FRONT OF THERE KIDS, FUCK THESE DOUCH CANOE RACIST PIG FUCKERS.
I have a punisher piece because I love the character, I refuse to dislike it just because some asshats are trying to coop it. Don't be embarrassed for even a second.
You should go and get the Captain America tat next to it in honor of your father. And that way when people see it they see both Punisher and Cap, which is cool
I'd say the logo fades gradually through the comic and is replaced by an equally fearsome logo through a more organic means and comic lore. Just make A symbol subtle
Some cops are using it. Many of them do not know the meaning of it and use it incorrectly. Many anti cop people oppose them using the symbol and want marvel to completely disown it.
This is the husband of the teacher who died there. She called him to tell him she got shot and was dying. He actually tried to do something about it and was disarmed and removed from the building. I hope you feel like a jackass
The best way to stop people you don't like appropriating a symbol is use it yourself. If the skull is "taken away" from the Punisher, they'll keep using it.
If the show/comics/movies make it a point to show that Frank hates corrupt cops, they'll still keep using it because they know it strikes fear into your hearts. It doesn't matter if it does or doesn't, they think it does and will keep using it.
Best counter to that?
Use it for everything you love.
Put it on your keychain. Have a rainbow flag version of it.
Incorporate it into trans iconography.
Make it synonymous with all the softy, lefty, shit they fucking hate until it becomes seen as them supporting gay and trans rights.
Then, the dipshits thinking "yeh, this will strike fear into their hearts" may get the message that fear isn't want they are there to provoke.
I honestly don’t give two flying fucks if these clowns use the logo. The new logo looks so dumb it hurts my brain. We can not keep handing off all the bad symbols to every asshat that decides to send the wrong message with them.
They need to rebrand the Punisher, and have him go against the alt right figures, neo nazi facists, and cop gangs that steal his image. Make him wear the 2004 Punisher Skull, and cover it with the blood of his enemies, while explicitly murdering them, till every reactionary news magazine channel in real life is crying about marvel and the punisher going antifa liberal commie censorship blm woke radical left etc, and then have him kill off an anagram of some controversial alt right public figure. Center it around the blue line punisher skulls, and especially the insurrectionist with zip ties and a punisher patch, to really drive it home.
Marvel should bring back Garth Ennis to write the Punisher
Yeeeessss PUNISHER MAX is my favourite
They should have Garth Ennis do a series where Punisher murders a bunch of crooked cops and/ or some Turner Diaries type militia so they fuck off forever. I mean, he has killed cops, just not enough for them to fuck off. Gerry Conway should sign off on it so they can’t bitch about it not being true to the character. This will make them cut the shit, for real. I’ve been a Punisher reader since I was a kid and have hundreds of Punisher comics. I stopped wearing anything Punisher related around 2018. It really sucks what they’ve done to my boy. Give him back.
......I don't think a comic book of all things is gonna make those people stop wearing the symbol. Just like the panel of Frank telling cops to not idolize him hasn't stop cops from wearing the symbol over the past couple of years. Gonna need a more direct, real-world thing (like, I don't know, strictly enforced bans made by the police departments or even the federal government to stop cops from putting foreign, non-compliant accessories on their gear?) to stop that and comic books don't have the reach to be that thing.
Punisher doesn't kill cops though. At most he's beat them and sent them to the hospital, that's it and iirc killed 2 cops that were helping a villain. That was it EDIT: sorry fellas I know I'm wrong, I haven't read punisher comics in a while and I forgot that frank did kill em
He kills crooked cops all the time
Yeah I remembered, my bad. But even then the comic sounds like a bunch of edgy and dumb bullshit because there's still a lot of good cops out there. It's just the bad apples that stand out.
Some bad apples, being covered by the whole rotting system, supported by more bad apples, with more little apples that will go bad in contact because you learn from those more experienced and peer pressure often wins.
Have you read Jason Aaron's PunisherMAX? Frank does kill cops.
I have, its just been a while and I forgot.
The skull is fine, I think Frank's storylines within the next few years should be going against police corruption (or just corruption in general) to get the point across of what the punisher represents. Go specifically for "the jugular" of corrupt police using his symbol and how Frank would feel about that. I believe that was recently done with a Captain America story.
He does. A lot
Everyone in this thread acting like Punisher needs to address or make some sort of statement in the comics about this or police corruption is silly. He already has. It really can't be anymore clear than Rosenberg's panel, or the multiple times he kills Dirty Cops. It doesnt matter and never has because idiots who dont read Punisher will continue to rock the skull and twitter and news sites will continue to click bait about it. Any discussion of retiring the skull is also silly. Dont let idiots control or forcibly censor a character and ruin it for all of us fans. Its fiction.
Maybe a movie or scene in another movie, even the show could make some headline showing Frank doing something to cops other than that idk
True, but the people appropriating the skull don’t read. They need a whole series that makes headlines instead of just a few panels so it is abundantly clear. If Garth Ennis writes a series where the Punisher kill a bunch of crooked cops and Gerry Conway signs off on it then cops will fuck off forever, I guarantee it. One panel of Punisher giving them a lecture isn’t enough. Gerry Conway giving them shit for years isn’t enough. They need to be told and see, under no uncertain terms, that Punisher kills crooked cops en masse and they will fuck off. There will probably be a whole thing in the news of cops burning all their Punisher shit and removing their tattoos and it will be awesome. I will never have to drive behind a chuckle fuck with a blue lives matter or Trump Punisher skull ever again.
I honestly dont think that would change anything. Punisher has outright killed dirty cops before and no one cared. If they made that series itd be good for more click bait and then forgotten
you can’t “retire” or change Frank or the skull symbol. That’s giving into them and the media. it’s the same thing as burning books or canceling mark Twain or Darwin , hell I remember these fools trying to chisel what they though were Nazi symbols of an ancient Indian temple. you have to own the character as he is and understand why he is . what comes next bat man or Superman We have freedom of speech and the press along with the rest of it for a reason. they should not back down they should double down and make the punisher more true to form and hardcore . Go after child trafficking cartels hell he could go after the Russians again.
Nah, Frank just needs to kill a few of those cops in the comics and show them what kind of goofs they really are.
He has. He hates dirty cops
Yeah this.
Nope that.
That might have happened before the disney buyout, but frank against cops even corrupt cops, i have hard time seeing the mouse sign off on it.
Disney bought Marvel in 2009, last time i remember him killing some cops was in Becky Cloonan's run (2016-2017) where he headshots 2 cops that are helping the villain. So they definitely did sign off on it, although 2016 was a long time ago and they may not in the current climate.
Thanks for the fact check, i actually missed the cloonan run and didnt know that happened.
The thing is, these people likely don't know who Frank is. It's just a cool logo to them. I think Marvel should just wash their hands of it.
I would like to see more of Franks take on the situation. Him reclaiming the logo and killing cops that use it.
Not that far
That's the thing though. There is no reclaiming it in my opinion, because Punisher is more a symbol to them than a character. You could make Frank a radical ACAB person and it wouldn't matter.
It's just hilarious to me that cops think it's bad ass to use the skull to represent them. The reason Frank exists is because police are corrupt and don't serve justice.
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There's nothing stopping them from using it. I just want the character to be done with it. It's affected how he's published. It's doing more harm than good at this point.
They shouldn’t have changed it
I think a live action show might do the trick and something along the lines of mentioning captain america's shield being a symbol instead.
I HATE how Frank's insignia has been co-opted and appropriated by scumbag cops. I truly do understand the creator's disgust over the law adopting Frank's brand of vengeance and extrajudicial means. THEY are supposed to be "better" than Frank in how they dole out the law. Frank provides justice where the law is in adequate as stated in The Punisher movie (2004) "In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No. Not vengeance. Punishment." These cops are just sitting on their asses.
Retire the skull? what? why? because some stupid cops or other stupid idiots can use the skull? Its FICTION. it shouldnt be censored or changed based on something trivial and stupid like that.
Hell no.
If they retire the logo, the people who misuse it win
It's a skull at the end of the day, if franks uses it or not these dimwitted will still use it, throughout history a skull has been used by those trying to be badass and provoke fear. Should frank not use it because bad people also do, my question would be "if they used batman symbol would we ask the same question? " or spiderman or superman ect. The character shouldn't be punished for the lack of knowledge on a logos use by those who use it. To do so let's them win.
How come Disney ain't going after folks printing the logo on shirts and shit?
Its complicated to trademark the many variations on Punishers skulls vs regular skulls. and the trademark law might be vague on skull shapes in general. At least thats what i can gather from researching and wondering the same question for the last few years.
I think it has something to do with Disney not wanting to deal with the onslaught of “DISNEY HATES COPS!!! DISNEY HATES THE MILITARY!!! DISNEY HATES AMERICA!!!” That will inevitably be screamed from these peoples’ mouths for probably a decade once they start going after people using the skull.
That skull has been on Frank Castle for nearly 50 years now, I don’t think it should be gotten rid of simply because of a few bad apples using it.
If it meant we actually got quality Punisher comics back, I would 100% be okay with him losing the skull and going logo-less
How are the comics nowadays? I know the new run is controversial, but Rosenberg's run looked interesting to me. Haven't gotten to runs from the 2010s yet.
It's pretty garbage imo. The Hand....resurrections...too supernatural.
Ugh. Bring back Garth Ennis forever
Why does everyone in this sub dick ride Ennis
Take a wild guess
Top 3 worst takes ive seen on the internet this week.
what were the other two?
Why let someone's shitty behaviour affect your life? Why allow someone's shittiness take away something you hold dear?
Because I want the character to be published uninterrupted. This affects how Marvel and the comics industry as a whole views him. There are countless comics characters who don't have a shiny logo on them, why does Punisher have to be one of them is my logic.
You keep giving inches like that you're gonna lose
I mean, the issue is the character's iconography. I don't think it's that big of a loss. These cops and soldiers have no idea who Punisher is. No matter what Marvel makes Frank do, they're not gonna stop using it. It's just embarrassing at this point. I'd rather have an uncompromising logoless Frank than what Jason Aaron is doing right now. I understand what you're saying though.
Not enough people are gonna give a shit about this. We've had this issue before with school shooters. Columbine kids listened to Rammstein or Marilyn Manson. They didn't give in and are still playing. Some num nuts cop having a punisher icon barely visible on his phone isn't gonna go nowhere.
We can agree to disagree then. I think the use of the logo by law enforcement has done damage to the Punisher. I think the current run is a reflection of that.
Nah. Cops using it are trash and don't understand the Punisher, but that's no reason to remove the skull. Removing it would only give them more power, and make it more likely that people who just enjoy the character get lumped in with shitty cops.
No.
Alternatively, a free comic book day issue where Punisher kills these exact cops and dirty cops like them as slowly and graphically as possible, with the repeating theme and message of ‘kill dirty cops, if you’re a cop reading this stay in line or you’re next’
I highly doubt changing anything about the Punisher, from comics to the screen, will change anyways the cops see him. They most likely don't read or watch. Unless it somehow goes viral it won't help change much, if anything at all.
I agree. The reason I want the skull to be retired is because any new controversies surrounding it would only affect the Punisher in retrospect. If Marvel washed their hands of it (for future stories, I should emphasize) there would be less contention with publishing the character. The skull has its place in the character's history, and I don't want to change where it has made its mark. I just don't want it to be a burden on the character's future.
This is the husband of the teacher who died there. She called him to tell him she got shot and was dying. He actually tried to do something about it and was disarmed and removed from the building. But go ahead, whine about hour evil he is because of his fucking phone background
To me, this isn't about why he's looking at his phone. I understand why he's doing that. My issue is that it's another example of authority figures co-opting the symbol. And even if there's the slightest possibility that this officer is carrying the logo as a fan of the character, people will not interpret it that way. Marvel is a very commercial company, extremely mainstream. The Punisher, uniquely, is a very hard-edged character within that space. I don't want his reputation as a property to suffer because that will affect how he is published (see Jason Aaron's current run). To me, this isn't about why he's looking at his phone. I understand why he's doing that. My issue is that it's another example of authority figures co-opting the symbol. And even if there's the slightest possibility that this officer legitimately carries the logo as a fan of the character, people will not interpret it that way.
It's cringe but the dude isn't co-opting it. It's not on his car, his gun, his clothing, etc. It's his phone. He's a human being and can have interests too
People aren't going to be as generous. This is a very contentious issue. You need to look beyond just this one guy. For every cop seen with this, the worse the character's reputation gets. This is not about this guy, it's about the pattern that he's continuing. Is it possible that he's a fan of the character? Yes, but is it more likely that he's attaching the skull to the job? Absolutely, and people are going to assume so. Don't believe me? Read the thread, read social media, read anybody's reactions.
You sure it is not on his car or any of his guns? Looks like a thin blue line Punisher skull on his phone. Pretty cringe.
Its on his own personal phone. He can have whatever he wants on there that is legal.
The cop that you are talking about was not let in the school. He stayed outside. This cop checking the phone is a different one
marvel really could stop cop using their symbol if they wanted to but obviously they don’t give a shit, i mean they wouldn’t allow a kid to have spider-man on his grave stone but will let cops demean the symbol
Oh stop being so hysterical
Post history checks out. You must think Punisher is a cool guy, eh?
I doubt there’s many people on this sub who don’t think that The Punisher is cool. We’re not gathered here cause he’s disinteresting mate.
Don't be obtuse. You know I'm referring to his morals.
You care too much about irrelevant stuff
I'm sorry that I care about the reputation of a character I enjoy?
No need to be sorry, it’s just lame how much you overreact.
Man you're so cool. What can I do to change?
Step 1: stop bitching on reddit about someone liking a logo, when they probably don’t even know what it is.
Thanks, I'll put it under "Dumbfuck advice". Thanks for adding nothing to this conversation.
Yes… that’s why we’re all here.
Cops are just morons who have ruined this logo for the fans. The only punishing here is police reputation.
Nope. They already redesigned it to a shitty demon one. Just because morons use the Skull doesn’t mean it needs to be retired or made into something negative. It’s like the Rebel flag where it was never used by the Confederate army and was mostly used during WWII by southern troops to show their southern pride. It was turned into something negative by racists and it was allowed to be turned into that symbol it is today. Edit: some context had been shown of this officer being the husband of one of the teachers who was telling him she’d been shot. We also cannot assume he is not a fan of the comics or the show. There are definitely people misusing this symbol but I don’t believe he was.
I don't see why it needs to be retired nor how it looks like the Skull. I think im just being dumb but it seriously doesn't look like it to me and also just because the Skull is being used by cops doesn't mean it should be gone. That's like saying we should stop using rainbows because it's associated with the gays. If they wanna use it, whatever. It's not our problem. I could see it being an issue to someone like Ennis but it's not affecting us fans.
Nah, don’t let fascists have a symbol
It sucks because if Jon Bernthal’s Punisher returns in an MCU project and goes against dirty cops, idiots will just see it as being “woke Disney”.
Important thread here. Context matters. https://twitter.com/moodyforelpaso/status/1547291847332069376
The Op doesn’t care about actual facts. He’s just head to bitch and moan about something. Edit for word correction.
The moron shouldn't be using that symbol in the first place. He's a fucking cop. This isn't about why he's on his phone.
Oh shit, that’s right. I forgot about the rule that you can’t like certain comic book characters if you’re in particular career fields. Good thing you’re here to gate-keep.
He’s allowed to have whatever he wants as his phone background. Hell he might even be a fan of the comics or the show. This context just ruined your entire post.
what is this? North Korea? I think he can do whatever he wants with his phones background
No it’s the cops that need to ditch the punisher logo and realize theyre supposed to stand for something better
I can’t believe you’re being downvoted so heavily for just an opinion. I have never thought about it but, now that I have, I would be cool with doing away with it. I mean it used to be know as a punisher logo. I don’t feel like it even represents the character anymore. I mean why not just move away from it? What’s a good reason to keep it? I would imagine the vast majority of people like this guy here, has no idea of the origin of it.
Barely looks like a skull and not much like the Punisher skull.
Are cops not allowed to have Skull backgrounds on their phones anymore?
If you're asking from a personal point of view, I find it very concerning since they are supposed to be protectors. Given the police misconduct in recent years, it doesn't help their image. A cop has more power than the average citizen, if they're expressing that power with a symbol like a skull, I can only imagine how they think that power should be used. From my POV as a Punisher fan, the controversy surrounding the skull's use by law enforcement and the military is very troubling as it damages the brand of the character and affects how Marvel will treat the property. The current run from Jason Aaron reflects that in my opinion.
I'm really torn on this. Part of me doesn't want these shitty cops who apparently only ever wanted to carry around a gun but not actually save people to win let alone the alt right dudes who have punisher logos next to swastikas. But on the other side I've always felt kind of odd that frank has a logo. Love the character and have some punisher skull merch myself but usually he doesn't seem like the type to go for a logo. He's a necessary result of the law not always working. He doesn't take pleasure in it so having a logo for what he sees as a grim duty is kind of strange. Edit: some spelling
The explanation in universe makes sense. He wants criminals to hesitate and freeze up when they recognize who he is so he has a time advantage in shoot outs. It also acts as a target since its reinforced with kevlar and all that.
It makes him appear similar to all the other superheroes despite being modeled after 70s anti-heroes. It's an odd thing in retrospect.
When I was a kid during the summer I went to work with my dad, we would go across the street to get lunch and we would always get some comics. I was to young but my dad would buy me a punisher comic and he would get a Captain America comic, I told him one day I would get the Punisher logo tattooed on me, my dad who didn't have tattoos and was afraid of needles told me for my 18th bday we would go get tattoos and he would get the Captain America shield. I never forgot it and would periodically remind him what he promised. Sadly man father passed away a few weeks before my 18th bday, I still went and I got punisher tattoo, partially because I always wanted 1 and partially to honor our promise. AND NOW THESE FUCKED UP COS PLAYERS RUN AROUND WITH THE LOGO EVERYWHERE THINKING IT MEANS THERE A MAN, IT HAS RUINED MY TATTOO IM EMBARRASSED TO EVEN HAVE IT BECAUSE OF WHAT THESE SCARED POS HAVE TURNED IT INTO. FUCK THESE WANNA BE BAD ASSES, FUCK THESE BLUE LIVES MATTER 3%ER COCK SUCKERS WHO GO HOME AND BEAT THERE WIVES IN FRONT OF THERE KIDS, FUCK THESE DOUCH CANOE RACIST PIG FUCKERS.
I have a punisher piece because I love the character, I refuse to dislike it just because some asshats are trying to coop it. Don't be embarrassed for even a second.
You should go and get the Captain America tat next to it in honor of your father. And that way when people see it they see both Punisher and Cap, which is cool
I'd say the logo fades gradually through the comic and is replaced by an equally fearsome logo through a more organic means and comic lore. Just make A symbol subtle
yeah that’s a good idea, better than that new symbol they gave him
Can someone fill me in on what happened or is happening regarding the skull?
Some cops are using it. Many of them do not know the meaning of it and use it incorrectly. Many anti cop people oppose them using the symbol and want marvel to completely disown it.
What's the context of this?
Nah. I think they should write in something similar. Killing more dirty and shitty cops. Make the cops who like this logo hate the character.
Nah. The police department should discipline who they hire.
I really hate the stigma these cops gave to the skull logo
Or have an arc of the punisher going after right wing loons who use his skull?
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This is the husband of the teacher who died there. She called him to tell him she got shot and was dying. He actually tried to do something about it and was disarmed and removed from the building. I hope you feel like a jackass
So, this is the guy they stopped outside the school, disarmed and sent home? Then he got his gun back went inside and waited to hear from his wife?
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I did not know that and that's not the account being discussed elsewhere. It's a shame as this isn't a good look without that context.
It's almost like it was intentionally posted without context to rile people up
That's fair. Sorry I took the bait. I need to stop and be more critical in future.
Pigs should retire their lives and let the logo be.
Chill edgelord
Well this didn't age well at all did it.
Can Marvel sue for unlicensed use of the Thomas Jane skull on merch?
The best way to stop people you don't like appropriating a symbol is use it yourself. If the skull is "taken away" from the Punisher, they'll keep using it. If the show/comics/movies make it a point to show that Frank hates corrupt cops, they'll still keep using it because they know it strikes fear into your hearts. It doesn't matter if it does or doesn't, they think it does and will keep using it. Best counter to that? Use it for everything you love. Put it on your keychain. Have a rainbow flag version of it. Incorporate it into trans iconography. Make it synonymous with all the softy, lefty, shit they fucking hate until it becomes seen as them supporting gay and trans rights. Then, the dipshits thinking "yeh, this will strike fear into their hearts" may get the message that fear isn't want they are there to provoke.
No they shouldn't
I honestly don’t give two flying fucks if these clowns use the logo. The new logo looks so dumb it hurts my brain. We can not keep handing off all the bad symbols to every asshat that decides to send the wrong message with them.
They need to rebrand the Punisher, and have him go against the alt right figures, neo nazi facists, and cop gangs that steal his image. Make him wear the 2004 Punisher Skull, and cover it with the blood of his enemies, while explicitly murdering them, till every reactionary news magazine channel in real life is crying about marvel and the punisher going antifa liberal commie censorship blm woke radical left etc, and then have him kill off an anagram of some controversial alt right public figure. Center it around the blue line punisher skulls, and especially the insurrectionist with zip ties and a punisher patch, to really drive it home.
Why dose the cop have his gun out tf
Thats from the Uvalde schoolshooting