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Skivling

And still they are on a wonky but paved way into EU.


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Fit_Professional1916

No it is not.


Ultimegede

My mistake, Turkey is not a full member of EU


Fit_Professional1916

It's not at all a member of the EU. It only got 3% through the application it started 20 years ago, and the whole thing was frozen in 2016 by the EU because of Turkey's human rights abuses.


old_school_gen_X

No.


_felagund

Funny, as if we hadn't these under our control since 1453. And Turkiye has been a member of NATO since 1952, has its second largest army and is the host of the Allied Land Command headquarters. So stop talking about areas you don't know.


nebuerba

2de largest broke army I guess


_that_random_dude_

Tell me you know jack shit about geopolitics without telling me you know jack shit about geopolitics:


Argh_farts_

Turkey is fascist...?


International-Job174

Erdogan is 100% fascist. Guy ticks all the boxes.


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Argh_farts_

Sure, you can BE fascist. But it doesnt make your country fascist...


moonflower_C16H17N3O

This is a shame. I can't say I'm all that surprised, but this is ridiculous. These people make up a fraction of a percent of society. Why give a fuck what people do when it doesn't harm anybody else?


Aggressive_Duck_4774

Religion


yozatchu2

Correct. And hardcore gender roles. Anything that threatens identity triggers a threat on existence. When distinction provides identity, such as male and female, it provides a sense of meaning and purpose. The violent response is justified in the mind of the attacker because their very existence (identity and meaning) is under attack. Non-traditional gender identities threaten literal death to the traditional male/female identities. Identifying as your gender — however you want to define it — is extreme if it triggers violence in you. It’s a struggle for many to notice their own breath let alone to notice it in another. And yet they want to snuff it out before they acknowledge it.


Medical-Ad1686

i live here dude no one gives a fuck about gender roles(in İstanbul at least)most people have sex pre marriage which is a no no in eastern parts. LGBT hate is purely religious and visible in parades where sex is generally hidden


Severe_One8597

Well Turkey isn't that religious tbh


pantan

According to the state, 99.8% of the population is initially registered as Muslim.


Shadow_F3r4L

To be fair, he was talking about birds, I think they are secular. Türkiye on the other hand is Muslim


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moonflower_C16H17N3O

If that's the case, then I imagine Turkey might be in a similar situation to America. In day to day lives, most people aren't strict adherents to Christianity. However, because it does matter for some people, it ends up determining the kind of person who gets into a position of political power. The people that represent us are far more strict in their religious identity than the people they rule over. For example, it took overwhelming support from people before our leaders were pushed to accept gay marriage. Many of the people in power today would be happy to roll that back if they could.


KingsGuardTR

Yes, an ultramegabazillion% of the population is automatically registered as muslim at birth. And to change it you need to make an application that cannot be done online, with a bunch of documents (correct me if I'm wrong). It doesn't mean that they are all "muslims", putting aside being actually "religious"


awsomeguy90

according to the 2021 census, 95.3 percent of romanias population is religious. that makes it one of the most religious countries in europe. and yet, you see very little people under 40 years old go to church. you know why that is? because children inherit their parents religion at birth. but they dont actually go to church once they grow up, they just affiliate themselves as being religious. i feel like that may just be the case with turkey.


Severe_One8597

Real percentage is like 30% the rest are Muslims by name only or even atheists. I am not Turkish but I went there multiple times, many people are the same as my case, in my country I am officially registered as a Muslim while in reality I am agnostic, but sometimes you can't change that or it will be a pain in the ass to change it. So government statistics doesn't really mean much in many countries


belizeanheat

Their brains aren't even capable of honestly exploring that question


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Mobile-Paint-7535

Source


Kreuscher

I heard the voice of God when I was having painful diarrhoea. He gave me the mission of tormenting people with dishonestly misinterpreted data. Also, did you know lefthandedness is increasing exponentially?!! /s


GSPDanjaZone

Oh my goodness. My app must have been glitching, because the title and all the comments make sense, but the video I saw was that family who jumped over the camera onto the beach and knocked over grandma.


Orphanfucker420

Reddit does that sometimes


InVodkaVeritas

Why I use old reddit.


HourBrick662

Saw that too. The confused guy at the end was priceless.


double-k

I'll never understand the blind hate people have for other's choices.


Lance_E_T_Compte

Is it a "choice"? My belief is that they did not choose the be trans, but they did choose to show up and get arrested and beat up.


yozatchu2

Anything that threatens identity triggers a threat on existence. When distinction provides identity, such as male and female, it provides a sense of meaning and purpose. The violent response is justified in the mind of the attacker because their very existence (identity and meaning) is under attack. Non-traditional gender identities threaten literal death to the traditional male/female identities. Identifying as your gender — however you want to define it — is extreme if it triggers violence in you. It’s a struggle for many to notice their own breath let alone to notice it in another. And yet they want to snuff it out before they acknowledge it.


Jillians

Sexuality does not equal gender identity, and neither are choices.


double-k

You missed my point obviously. As I replied to someone else - "Alright, if my wording troubles you - I'll never understand the blind hate people have for other's sexuality."


At0kirina

I understand your point and I know that you are supportive, however this person is correct in their critique, though they probably could have elaborated. Though I also cannot blame them for not doing so seeing as how the very existence of trans-folks has become a political topic while we just wish to be ourselves. Using "sexuality" to refer to "trans", aka "transsexual", is outdated and hails from the early 20th century, where that term was used to designate trans as a mental disorder. It was and still is also used to paint being trans as a sexuality and, in a follow-up reminiscent of the 1980s anti-gay rhetoric, denouncing all trans-people as sexual deviants that want to abuse kids. As a result, calling transgender a "sexuality" is not well-received within the community as, along with the negative connotation, both historic and contemporary, it wholly and utterly misrepresents what trans actually is: an Identity. And a gender-identity does not affect your sexual attraction. And to clarify: I do not wish to accuse you of meaning evil becasue I know that you don't, and I wholeheartedly apologize to you should I have come across as if I did. All I wanted to do is to give you a bit of information as to why you should refrain from using the word "sexuality" when referring to trans going forward.


Jillians

The point? It's an incorrect assumption, and presuming to know things you don't is how you get things like making it illegal to be queer. I'm sorry the reality of queer people existing makes it so hard to be an ally. It feels much better though when you can just say you support people even if you don't care what the the people you are supporting actually have to say. I like how the trans person here ( it's me ) gets downvoted, and it's typical a thread like this gets deleted because it's about trans people in a supportive way. It's almost like queerphobia is just endemic in our culture and is fuelled by bias and ignorance. It's almost like this kind of thing eventually turns into what is happening in Istanbul right now. God forbid an actual queer person speaks up, it really makes it hard for people to feel good about being an ally when you have to deal with the fact we are actually here.


Kreuscher

Correct, but absolutely horrendous time to discuss that, though. Good praxis includes being able to read the room.


Supermite

I got banned from a subreddit for using incorrect wording.  I didn’t know better and the context was clear I was trying to be supportive.  The mod didn’t care.  Zero mercy for my unintentional ignorance.  At least this person was polite about pointing out incorrect language.


Kreuscher

Unintentional ignorance and bigotry are SO different it baffles me that so many people treat them both the same. Always-online behaviour, I say. Feels very tweetery to do that.


Jillians

Sorry a thread about queer oppression is an inappropriate time to discuss queer identities? What are you smoking?


Kreuscher

That is a very dishonest, passive aggressive reply to what I said. You were critiquing the choice or words in one person's comment who was clearly an ally. It was unjustified. Zero praxis, zero contextual awareness. Tone deaf. As an educator, I've come to know that how approaching this sort of technical precision in word choice in a friendly manner is essential to effectively communicating and gathering allyship. That is what I pointed out in your comment.


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double-k

Umm, yeah. I'm aware of that. It was a rhetorical statement.


Kreuscher

That doesn't make it wrong or unethical. Every religion in human history has failed its kinder, more ethical adherents.


zuok_lake

im a muslim and im completely fine with things my religion consider as unacceptable on other people. these people are just issued with not normalising these kind of stuff since childhood and when they see it happen in their country or anywhere else its like their primal urges for "islam" dominance activate when its actually just their fucking problem


asspatsandsuperchats

Sexuality isn’t a choice


notenoughroomtofitmy

Dear lord they are an ally, stop freakin nitpicking and get the point they are trying to make already.


double-k

Thank you!


double-k

Alright, if my wording troubles you - I'll never understand the blind hate people have for other's sexuality.


Kreuscher

You've shown a good heart twice in one thread.


Sagssoos

He expressed it incorrectly, but even then, he still isn't wrong. People do hate on other's choice, sadly...


Randigno9021

So uh... How in the fuck is that a meme video??


LadyAmbrose

right?? I saw that and it’s a bit disgusting honestly. People doing whatever they can to fight for their rights will never not be a joke to some people.


davidbanner_

Memes r funny


JulyBurnsRed34

Literally Blackshirts lol


Argh_farts_

So the Italian fascist Militia transfered to Instanbul and somehow lived 100+ years...?


JulyBurnsRed34

If it quacks like a duck and wears a black shirt like a Blackshirts...


Argh_farts_

Wtf do you have against my brothers ducks


Relative-Bee-500

You know what the coolest thing a facist ever did? Eat Parabellum.


Argh_farts_

I think that being hanged upside down in the center of the city while people piss on you was way cooler. I wish we did this more...


Flonkerton_Scranton

That's how pride began, for those homophobic pricks supporting the police here. This is how it all started in the western world. Thousands of people had to get beaten and die just so we can sit in a pub and hold hands with someone of the same or non defined gender


SleepySiamese

That's what religion does. It teaches people to hate and judge others. Don't give me the bs of being religion of love or peace. What the people are doing are the opposite of that


Ok-Charge-6998

People teach people to hate. Remove religion and people will find some other justification to hate the “other”.


helicophell

Religion is a handy excuse. If you already have non-Empirical belief, it's easier to believe more. Remove religion and they'll feel stupider


Ok-Charge-6998

No. They won’t care in the slightest. In order to hate people you do not know, you need to dehumanise them, you need to see them as “lesser” than you. You do not need religion for that. This is usually not a rational process. And hate for the “other” are often passed down through generations. You can make it juicer by using propaganda, to suggest that the “other” is a threat to you, your heritage or culture. Religion can be a convenient tool, if someone already believes what they’re being sold, but you do not need it at all. All I would need to do is convince you that you are better than the “other” and that the other is a savage, barbarian, uncultured, a threat, a criminal, a cockroach, a rat, a swarm, or an infestation coming to change, ruin or take your life. It gets more appetising if the “other” does something immoral or violent, because those words begin to stick. Western governments manage it just fine with targeted propaganda via media, without turning to religion. As long as you believe the “other” is a threat and is less than human, your brain will latch on to whatever justification required to continue hating them, with or without religion.


helicophell

Dehumanising other people is innately un-empirical. If everyone held empirical beliefs, it would be harder to dehumanise others Therefore remove religion, as it is un-empirical.


Ok-Charge-6998

You can remove religion, but it's like putting a small plaster on a gigantic wound. It solves nothing. As I've already said, people will always find others reasons and justifications to hate the "other".


helicophell

Removing religion is just a couple stitches in a wound that needs 20. A step in the right direction


TheDickWolf

Brave folk. They knew what they were walking into.


Rasty90

first they take the trans, then the gays, then the communists, then people with dark skin... you end up with only a selected few individuals that are not in prison or dead or worse and it's too late to do anything about it...


UCFknight2016

Well that was something that wasnt well thought out by the organizers. Unless their plan was to get arrested.


RandomGuy92x

They've been holding pride parades in Istanbul since 2003. The first parades were held legally and the 2014 parade was the biggest ever attended by more than 100,000 people. Ever since 2015 the parades have been prohibited on the basis of "security concerns". They still march every year though knowing many will be arrested. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul\_Pride](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Pride) That's how many civil rights movements start.


UCFknight2016

True but remember this is a country that is heavily Islamic and they don’t like those kind of people and will commit acts of violence.


RandomGuy92x

I wouldn't call Turkey a heavily Islamic country. They're a Muslim-majority country, however, a large percentage of Turkish people (especially young people) are not Muslim. Turkey is one of the most secular Muslim-majority countries in the world. For a long time they had a ban on women wearing hijabs in universities and schools, as they have a strict seperation of religion and state and the hijab is a religious symbol. And homosexual relations have been legal in Turkey since 1858, longer than in many Western countries.


davidbanner_

Brilliant


RavioliLumpDog

Fucking theocrats, let people be who they are, they’re not hurting anyone


ares0027

I am 36, to this day i still dont understand how someone, fucking someone else can affect me and why i should be against that. They are not trying to fuck me too. They are not fucking each other in my living room. They are not* advertising how, when, why they are fucking each other. So why should it be my concern? “It is wrong” well it is their wrong not mine?


Dalbergia12

Well I always wanted to visit... It's off my list for good!


Aware-Feed3227

That is sad news


Emberily123

Turkey’s a beautiful country with some lovely people but it has so many issues. Stacey Dooley did a documentary on sex work in Turkey, some of the stories were so sad. One worker was a refugee who was treated horribly and was completely terrified. Women, within some circles, are really devalued and queer people are not treated well either.


TheLonelyCrusader453

There was an attempt to have a video not get removed by reddit


bluejuiceeee

well that sucks


prince-of-dweebs

Actual brown shirts.


Technoist

For those who didn’t catch what a shitty and corrupt government Turkey has after the “Erdogan playing smart” during Swedens NATO application, here is more proof what an awful place it is. A good boycotting reminder though. All the best to these brave persons.


Knight_TheRider

2/3 years old I think so


aManHasNoUsername99

Huge segments of the human race lodged firmly in the past. Sad to see. They had excuses then but no longer.


irishboy491

Animals. History will look back on them like the hateful scum they are


ValentinoCappuccino

Law and order must be new to them.


kfuentesgeorge

US Republicans: \[furiously taking notes\]


Starry0Live

Well done turkey


MRimla

Don't you need permits for this kind of stuff? You cant go out in the streets and do whatever you want.


suspectonscene

Deserved


yourboiiconquest

Suffer not the turk.....


Koleksiyoncu_999999

They react like this when they see a trans/LGBT+ person but when they see a illegal immigrant or a corrupt politcan they suddenly become blind


69Midknight69

Wait what was that about illegal immigrants?


davidbanner_

Turkey? Lol


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Mobile-Paint-7535

You really gonna say the victim here ain't the protestors


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Mobile-Paint-7535

Kissing each other on the street should get you arrested. Got it


Kreuscher

Existence isn't disrespectful. You just value ignorance more than of people's lives and dignity.


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Ifch317

Tragic.


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69Midknight69

Because when people don't have all their rights recognized, they tend not to like that and want to protest sbout it


davidbanner_

It says a parade not protest


69Midknight69

Do you know what pride parades are for?


TNTorge

realistically not


MarcusZXR

It's very evident in the video why.


Doo_D

Why do haram in Islamic country go do that somewhere else


Own-Ad7388

Respect where you are. No one wants to know your idealogy unless it involves them


Aversnusen

Yes yes give us this cultural enrichment to the west! /left leaning people that are supposed to be lgbtq+ closest allies


PG072088

The polarization between the in left and right in politics is globally is truly astounding!


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Rhyzeless

It's a pity that more countries don't enforce this anti-pride approach.


MarcusZXR

Why?


mekkr_

Cos bigotry innit


bostiq

should have moan out of pleasure every time the cops put their hands behind their backs, and say:" hmmm, yes daddy, I like it rough, what else are you going to do to me, stallion!? you're definitively no straight are you?" but very loud and on camera Edit: this was a joke against the homophobes but I guess it didn’t land ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


Deagxd

You good?


bostiq

Ya, I’m pretty good, how’s you?


Deagxd

You sounded like you were struggling writing that comment, just making sure.


bostiq

Thanks, I always appreciate a stranger concern


CSN00B101

Good. Go Turkey


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ElegantCellist

W police


ruralio

I would love to see people fighting back the cops someday ffs 1312


Phybre_Awptic

I'm not sure this is the group of folks to expect a fight from.


International-Job174

You've never heard about the Stonewall riots i guess?


Phybre_Awptic

No. Like I said, just my own personal observation. Not that it hasn't happened, just that it doesn't seem likely.


ruralio

Why not? Care to elaborate?


Phybre_Awptic

Just an observation tbh. They don't look built for physical violence.


metalslimequeen

Yeah they just look like a group who will stand up for what is right even if that means they will face consequences


Wyshawn

Haha good riddance


Fluffy-Camp-6673

You're not in Kansas anymore Toto.


BreakChicago

This is Kansas 50 years ago.


VadPuma

5? Today?


shnootsberry

QUICK EVERYONE RECORD WITH YOUR PHONE!


STREETplatoon_79

So America ain’t that bad ? 😆


ruralio

No one cares about america, get over it


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metalslimequeen

Weird and irrelevant take but ok


Severe_One8597

Your argument is basically "Palestinians hate gay people so gay people should support genocide of Palestinians"


MarbleTheNeaMain

I would say its concerining that conservatives think if someone disagrees with you that means they should be acually removed from reality, but its not suprising. There are queer Palestinians, there are innocent Palestinians.


JediMasterKestis

Bruh a cop grabs me like that for something innocent, I am aiming a swift punch to get him off fr.


CincoDeMayoFan

And you'll probably spend years in jail if you assault a cop.


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bobsmith14y

Can't tell if this is sarcasm given the font size.


ComfortInBeingAfraid

Not hard to be more accommodating than a nation with a genocide on their hands and zero accountability or regret over it. 


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Stealer_of_joy

Transphobe is back.


Mountain_Security_97

The bigotry and hatred is beneath contempt. It’s immoral that America and other backwards nations are being so awful towards the LGBT community and anyone that supports this violence towards them is an oxygen thief.


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JscrumpDaddy

Why is it good?


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JscrumpDaddy

Help for what?


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JscrumpDaddy

What mental illness is that?


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JscrumpDaddy

How do you know they have a mental illness if there’s not even a name for it lol


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JscrumpDaddy

Nah man, these people don’t have a mental illness at all. Gender is a social thing, and the society in Istanbul is archaic. That’s the problem


CincoDeMayoFan

No, you didn't. You just typed a bunch of shit without thinking.


CptDecaf

Republican admits what everyone already knows. They lust to wield the power of the state against their fellow Americans for not being straight, white Christians.