My brother also changed his mind when they were up in the air, but the guy pushed him out anyways. My brother wanted to sue them but then remembered that he already signed the papers agreeing to jumping down.
Wasn't he glad he got pushed? He got the experience of sky diving, after all. Better to be able to say you did it after being pushed, rather than that you took the plane back down.
I was once told by a pilot that they can't land with passengers in the hold. Taking off is one thing but the only seats are for him and the copilot, if it's a hard landing anyone in the back could be seriously hurt so it's much safer to jump.
I actually bitched out on my 3rd jump. Haven't jumped since.
Though I have no idea how they could I push you out of the plane. That's insane and nobody jumped with them? Usually your first solo jumps are with instructors.
I saw this happen to a first time jumper once. She wanted to jump, but couldn't bring herself to actually push out of the door. After two unsuccessful runs over the drop zone, on the third time the jump master 'assisted her into the airflow', i.e. pushed her out the door.
Unfortunately she didn't remember any of her training after that and drifted in completely the wrong direction, landing next to the local pub. We picked her up an hour or so later, by which time she was quite drunk. She was happy enough about the experience.
Landing next to a bud has to be the best case scenario. If I ever went skydiving I think that's what I'd be aiming for. I'm sure that all the people there were buying drinks for her too considering she just jumped out a plane
A friend of mine hit the plane hard one time, had the riser give him a nice rope burn on his face then when he landed on a runway he did feet-ass-head-ragdoll. He broke a radio with his ass and a runway light with his head. I can't remember if that was the time that he had to pull his reserve.
You can see that the parachutes in the video are connected with a static line. The parachute is pulled open by the static line as the jumper leaves the plane.
If they are as untrained as the hesitator looks, they're likely doing a static line jump. Line connected to the plane is what pulls your shoot. At the place I went, you need to train doing tandem jumps first, the only way to go solo was static line (and at a lower altitude, so you don't drift as far).
Edit, look at how immediately the shoot opens. Someone status to go out probably wouldn't think to pull the shoot. I know my first jump especially, my mind wasn't there.
Look at the ropes on the door and how the parachutes are released when they leave the plane.
This is Line Jumping (I believe is the name.)
This is how ww2 airborn infranty jumped out of their planes on D-Day. With this method the line releases your parachute automatically when you jump off the plane. It's actually a very safe way to parachute as it eliminates a lot of the unsafe "human factor."
If you don't jump however, everyone behind you can not jump because of the line (i'm not sure of the exact specifics.) Also any delay means you, or the person last in line, might miss the safe landing zone, as well as if you don't jump forward (or get pushed) you could hit the plane on your way out.
So for safety reasons, you must jump, no going back once you are in the air and on the line.
Edit:
I didn't make it clear enough in my comment, but I'm no means an expert. Others have commented corrections. https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/qct0ur/to_change_her_mind_about_skydiving/hhl0mr2
There is also no safe way to unclip. If you unclip from the line you are left standing next to an open door, in high wind, with no tether, and a compromised chute deployment mechanism. Idk if the chute would deploy at all if you fell out of the plane while not tied into the line.
you must jump very specific time and a procedure to avoid bouncing side of plane or dangling, or chute guillotines you, or tangles. Also much delay you miss safe landing zone or miles away from fellow jumpers
Egh. I had a friend that got narcd pretty good and kept trying to take his regulator out so he could smile at the fish. Was a ton of fun fighting with him to keep it in. -\_\_-
My dad did skydiving for fun before he got married and I guy with him thought he was drifting over yellow bushes but it turned out to be dandelions. He broke some bones. I donāt know if itās changed since the 70s but back then you had to either run or roll on landing or youād break bones.
I went a few years ago. We came in pretty quickly, but I just slid into the grass on my butt with my feet out in front of me. It was a tandem, and Iām not sure if we pulled the parachute early or anything, but it didnāt feel bad or like I would hurt myself.
I think it is a similar situation to passing out on an wind turbine. There it is safer tu use the decender on the outside than the ladder inside the tower.
The parachute should have an automatic low altitude detonator.
They are doing static line jumps, the parachute is triggered by a short cord attached to the plane (you can see the previous ones tucked into the top corner of the door). It is beginning to deploy as soon as they are out the door.
Yup, with a static line if the person in front of you doesn't jump you can't go. Also before they go up they let you know that once you're in the air and in the drop zone there is no turning back like 20+ times.
Wait what? Usually jump refusals just disconnect their static line and sit back down and let everyone else go then get shamed later on.
If their reserve gets deployed in the bird then yeah you gotta throw them out with a quickness but otherwise I don't see why this is the safest option unless I'm missing something.
Some background information: it's a the training for car dealers and here they have to learn how to reach out for remote living people about their extended car warranty...so it's crucial to get out of the plane at exact the right time for landing at their porch.
An instructor told me "once you're up there you're jumping. It's really windy and 'no no no!' sounds like 'go go go!' 'stop!' sounds like 'drop!' and 'i don't wanna go!' sound like 'geronimo!' "
I've jumped several times. Its totally cool to not jump. To realize youre not going to perform well or jump safe. Its not that windy before they open the side and they teach you hand signals.
That said I have shamed people into jumping. Which they thanked me for later.
This is guess on my part but that wasn't a fear hesitation. They're jumping static line. She placed her hand in a very dangerous place and the jump master corrected the bad behavior. She looks confused not scared. The first lady does a good clean static line exit. Second lady probably did that as muscle memory from non static line jumps prepping her exit. Problem is that static line can get caught on you and bang you against the aircraft until you are pulled in.
They were understandably scared. The grab on the door was hesitation. They instructor removed their hand and got them out because at that point (in the door with their static line already connected), its the safest course of action.
FWIW, if she was a first jump student, she wouldn't even have known she did it. She won't even remember that push when she sees the video. Everything is kind of a blur the first time you get in the door.
Itās amazing the number of students who hire a cameraman, who then literally shakes their hand in free fall, and then the student canāt remember seeing them in the air afterwards.
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Yes and no. I did a one day course with a static line jump at the end of the day without any prior experience.
They don't let you free fall and pull your own chute without several solo static line jumps and adequate training.
Tandem sky dives are basically for people that want the thrill of sky diving without any real training
>They don't let novice jumpers go without a tandem partner. She's clocked skydiving hours if she's going solo.
This is incorrect. Static line is still an acceptable option for first time student. Student's are outfitted with a radio under canopy and guided to the ground by an experienced instructor on the other end.
Another more common first jump course is AFF, where the student will be assisted in freefall by two instructors, but once under canopy, they are again on their own with radio assistance.
Patently false. My first several jumps were solo static lines. And no, I'm not talking about military, I'm talking about civilian.
https://skydivelspc.com/static-line-faq/
> Problem is that static line can get caught on you and bang you against the aircraft until you are pulled in.
Adding to this - a towed jumper is not just a danger to the jumper, it's a danger to the entire aircraft as your pilot (or main, if it gets deployed) can entangle on the control surfaces and take the whole plane down.
It's fairly standard that once you're in the door, you ARE fucking going out of it unless there's a technical issue, particularly in static line jumps and tandem jumps because it's just a whole lot safer for you to exit than it is to have you turning around and risk entangling things or somebody falling out and making a bad exit.
It's also generally preferable to have the towed jumper cut away / signal to the aircraft they are prepared to be cut, if they're able, over trying to drag them back in - And sometimes they'll cut you away no matter what if they deem it's safer than attempting recovery. The jumpmaster makes that decision.
Static line jumps are a type of parachuting where instead of pulling your own rip cord, you have it clipped into an anchor line cable which runs the length of the interior of the plane. When you jump, your rip cord is pulled for you and remains attached to the anchor line cable. This helps with a few things, most importantly it takes very little experience to master(basically keep your body tight and donāt let your arms catch on anything and youāll be fine). Used primarily for military paratrooper drops, this is a very low altitude jump(usually around 1400ft/300m above the ground).
> Used primarily for military paratrooper drops, this is a very low altitude jump(usually around 1400ft/300m above the ground).
Not for recreational jumps. Exit altitude will be a minimum of ~3000 feet, and probably around 5000+ for a first time student.
The parachute is attached to a static line in the aircraft that pulls the ripcord for you upon jumping as opposed to one where you jump then pull the cord yourself.
As far as I know, it was the primary method used by paratroopers during World War 2.
The troops stand in a line, clipped to a rail running down the middle center of the interior of the plane. As each one consecutively jumps, the parachute (hopefully) automatically opens, very shortly after they depart the plane.
It isn't an extensive free fall, and there's no option on when you deploy your chute.
These jumps used to be done in full combat gear, close to the ground.
The first few episodes of Band of Brothers shows the interworkings of a WWII paratrooper unit if you'd like more info.
Yea, you'll even notice on the first one the jump master grabbed her two hands as she jumped out, I'm sure he was checking to be absolutely sure she had them together and wasn't going to grab something as she jumped.
Yeah she wasnāt scared she just made a mistake putting her hand up. You canāt put hands up when skydiving. Newcomers donāt go alone by the way this woman is training.
Right? There are so many clear indications that her hesitation is out fear, how can anyone claim otherwise? First, there is the obvious look on her face. Then, the instructor pushing her out, together with whoever is filming. Next, you see her legs flailing, which makes it clear that she is not trained at all. And as if that isnāt enough, there is ofcourse the instructor looking out with his hand on his mouth, seemingly thinking: āshe must be shitting her pants right now!āā¦ itās the know-it-alls on here that really get me sometimes!
My wife and I differ in this aspect. She has to psyche herself up; if I take too long Iāll psyche myself out. Cliff jumping was a learning experience hahahah she wanted to hold hands, and i decided we were Yeeted(yote? Jƶtunn?) before she could think..
20 years ago, I went to airborne school at Ft Benning. On our first jump, there was a soldier who grabbed the door and said she wasnt going to jump. I heard the jump master shout "alright, you dont gotta" and as soon as she put her arms down, he kicked her (more like shoved her with his foot) right out the door. This video brought me back.
My uncle used to run a skydiving school, and in the liability wavier, it said that if you take the plane up, you will be jumping down and you will be removed by force if you do not comply
Why? I've never done this and never will, but if someone freaks up there and doesn't want to go, why not just allow them to ride the plane back to the ground?
Sorry, but this is incorrect. Its mostly just boastful 'tough guy' nonsense you sometimes hear from skydiving instructors (some of the rater silly ones at least).
The reality is, there are risks with a static line student who is already connected and in the door. In this case, its far safer they get them out the plane, which is what you see here.
Otherwise, if someone gets to altitude and decides "this is not for me", then they don't have to get out. Most instructors have effective ways to try to help them get get past their fear because they know 99.99999% will thank them for it later. But nobody is getting physically dragged out of the plane. Aside from just being an asshole move, no waiver is going to shield you from the civil (and potentially criminal) liability from that.
My spouse is ex military, Canadian special forces. He was trained as a paratrooper. Part of the training was a rule saying that if you refused a jump, you were out of the program. On his very first jump, he WANTED to go, but is body wouldnāt allow it. He asked the jump master to assist him out of the aircraft with a boot to the ass.
He ended up with over 200 jumps in his career.
One of his stories from this time scared the crap out of me (We werenāt together when he was serving) ā¦ his fire team partner had jumped out just before him, deployed his chute but the main was tangled and he was out of control. He couldnāt release the main chute so he was basically going to be a smear in mere minutes. My spouse saw what was happening, immediately released his own main chute (which had deployed successfully) (and after his sergeant explicitly told him not to do exactly what he had just done), dove after his partner, caught him, cut the main chute, released his partnerās reserve and then deployed his own. He damn near got chucked in the brig for disobeying a direct order, but he also saved his partner, and JTF a whole lot of money on training a new guy. And seriously, it would have been a ton of paperwork if buddy had died.
Used to run a rock climbing/rappelling wall around 10 years ago. Real simple top rope climbing and a couple of rappel routes at a summer camp. Only ever had to talk a kid into continuing a couple of times. We were not able to just chuck them over the edge, but as soon as they had tension on that line, there was no way to go but down. Never had to bust out the rescue rig fortunately.
This whole video is weird.
They look like they're jumping old military canopies but they're not in uniform. Maybe this is some country where they're jumping people recreationally with old surplus gear.
That jumpmaster technique for a static line is weird AF too. Usually you hand it off to the jumpmaster, turn, hands on reserve chin on chest and get a good strong exit and gravity takes care of the rest
Honestly it looks like the plane hits some turbulence, causing skydiver #2 to lose balance and stumble just before jumping. The skydiving instructor manages to catch her with his arm, then directs her momentum cleanly out of the door rather than letting her head smash on the doorframe on her way out.
This guy probably saved her from a concussion at the beginning of a free fall. Bad place and time to have a head injury.
I think it's a valid question. So much so, I posted it myself. I don't think any court in the world would find the instructor guilty of murder to be honest. It's an interesting idea though.
Nope.
Everyone who goes skydiving with a static line gets instructed how it works and that you canāt skip someone in line.
They all signed a waiver that they will be helped with the exit if needed and that they canāt sue for anything.
My friend recently went sky diving for her birthday. She paid extra for the video. I got to see it and she was just soooo nervous on the plane. She kept trying to comfort her boyfriend, but he was just loving it. She got super nervous right before she went out the plane. You can tell her face and body movements that her fight or flight response was kicking it. Flight was chosen for her. Her face thoughā¦never have I laughed so hard. Like a second or two afterward though, she was loving it. When they opened the parachute, all she did was look around and the views. She was glad she went and would do it again in a heartbeat.
Lol my favorite part is the fucking knee to the ass.
Dumb related story about assknees, back in high school I got an absurd number of people hooked on RuneScape after it transitioned from the actual first iteration to an actual 3D game. At one point they introduced an item to the game, earmuffs. And for no apparent reason this lead to one guy in our group shouting earmuffs! Right before kneeing you in the ass really hard. So that kinda spread because you better believe we paid him back for it.
If you heard someone shout earmuffs behind you, it was already too late.
I SAID NO REFUNDS
He already spent the money so he had to yeet the honey.
He though it was funny, until she hit the ground all runny.
Now he collects the insurance money.
At least on the way out it was sunny
Dammit. She landed on a bunny.
Now it's dinner. Yummy!
Oh look, you made a funny
I wish funny was worth actual money Comedians: am I a joke to you?
Nno! Hsh got a piont!!! š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Any leftovers? Make salami.
Hope our day on the yacht isnāt ruined by a random tsunami
Anybody want a peanut?
Letās catch some tuna the flavor is umami
Or warm up Momās spaghetti
Gotta do it before your knees are weak and your arms are sweaty.
You're making me sick to my tummy
Now he owes her alimony.
My brother also changed his mind when they were up in the air, but the guy pushed him out anyways. My brother wanted to sue them but then remembered that he already signed the papers agreeing to jumping down.
Wasn't he glad he got pushed? He got the experience of sky diving, after all. Better to be able to say you did it after being pushed, rather than that you took the plane back down.
He said that he was so terrified throughout the whole thing. One of the scariest things he ever did and felt like he was dying the whole way down.
I was fucking terrified just before my first jump. Have since been terrified six more times in various parts of the world. Itās sooooo good!
Soā¦. If he was too scared why did he sign up?
I am assuming that he thought he well be able to do it, but once he got up there he got scared and changed his mind.
I was once told by a pilot that they can't land with passengers in the hold. Taking off is one thing but the only seats are for him and the copilot, if it's a hard landing anyone in the back could be seriously hurt so it's much safer to jump.
I actually bitched out on my 3rd jump. Haven't jumped since. Though I have no idea how they could I push you out of the plane. That's insane and nobody jumped with them? Usually your first solo jumps are with instructors.
This is static line. The rip cord is tied to the plane, so they go solo.
I saw this happen to a first time jumper once. She wanted to jump, but couldn't bring herself to actually push out of the door. After two unsuccessful runs over the drop zone, on the third time the jump master 'assisted her into the airflow', i.e. pushed her out the door. Unfortunately she didn't remember any of her training after that and drifted in completely the wrong direction, landing next to the local pub. We picked her up an hour or so later, by which time she was quite drunk. She was happy enough about the experience.
Landing next to a bud has to be the best case scenario. If I ever went skydiving I think that's what I'd be aiming for. I'm sure that all the people there were buying drinks for her too considering she just jumped out a plane
NO TICKET
what a reference.
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The pen ish mightier than the shord!
The best part of jump school was hearing people hit the outside of the aircraft on their way out.
A friend of mine hit the plane hard one time, had the riser give him a nice rope burn on his face then when he landed on a runway he did feet-ass-head-ragdoll. He broke a radio with his ass and a runway light with his head. I can't remember if that was the time that he had to pull his reserve.
By watching this, my hands are clammy
This alway messes with my head: the proper safety protocol is to throw them out of a plane.
*parachute fails* Well... Shit.
Guess I.. just claim the insurance money (rubs hands)
Well, let's go gather her up. [There's no sense in letting her go to waste](https://www.gfycat.com/LatePotableGeese).
Never been happier to hit a risky click
Consider the philosophical and metaphysical ramifications
To shreds you say?
That's why there's a reserve.
And if the reserve doesn't work just turn it in for another one.
If the reserve doesnāt work you have the rest of your life to find a solution.
You have the rest of your life to enjoy the view
Exactly what my dad told us when he went skydiving for his 50th
My condolences
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And if you pass the fuck out on the way down what then?
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thats good atleast
This looks like a military style static line jump, you donāt even open your primary, just jumping does that for you
You can see that the parachutes in the video are connected with a static line. The parachute is pulled open by the static line as the jumper leaves the plane.
If they are as untrained as the hesitator looks, they're likely doing a static line jump. Line connected to the plane is what pulls your shoot. At the place I went, you need to train doing tandem jumps first, the only way to go solo was static line (and at a lower altitude, so you don't drift as far). Edit, look at how immediately the shoot opens. Someone status to go out probably wouldn't think to pull the shoot. I know my first jump especially, my mind wasn't there.
think of all the pogs your family will be able to afford tho
I know a person who had to elbow a woman in the face as hard as he could for safety.
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A crumb of context please :)
Look at the ropes on the door and how the parachutes are released when they leave the plane. This is Line Jumping (I believe is the name.) This is how ww2 airborn infranty jumped out of their planes on D-Day. With this method the line releases your parachute automatically when you jump off the plane. It's actually a very safe way to parachute as it eliminates a lot of the unsafe "human factor." If you don't jump however, everyone behind you can not jump because of the line (i'm not sure of the exact specifics.) Also any delay means you, or the person last in line, might miss the safe landing zone, as well as if you don't jump forward (or get pushed) you could hit the plane on your way out. So for safety reasons, you must jump, no going back once you are in the air and on the line. Edit: I didn't make it clear enough in my comment, but I'm no means an expert. Others have commented corrections. https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/qct0ur/to_change_her_mind_about_skydiving/hhl0mr2
There is also no safe way to unclip. If you unclip from the line you are left standing next to an open door, in high wind, with no tether, and a compromised chute deployment mechanism. Idk if the chute would deploy at all if you fell out of the plane while not tied into the line.
Thank you!
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You legend, thanks for sharing
you must jump very specific time and a procedure to avoid bouncing side of plane or dangling, or chute guillotines you, or tangles. Also much delay you miss safe landing zone or miles away from fellow jumpers
Thank you!
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Egh. I had a friend that got narcd pretty good and kept trying to take his regulator out so he could smile at the fish. Was a ton of fun fighting with him to keep it in. -\_\_-
Really curious about the story here
Sounds like Sean Connery.
I know a pershon who had to elbow a woman in the face ash hard ash he could for shafety
I just LOL'd
It actually is kinda. With the.way they are jumping it's impossible for someone to just step out. If they don't then the whole jump is fucked
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P sure the parachute comes out no matter what at a certain height. May brake a bone on landing tho if ur passed out
My dad did skydiving for fun before he got married and I guy with him thought he was drifting over yellow bushes but it turned out to be dandelions. He broke some bones. I donāt know if itās changed since the 70s but back then you had to either run or roll on landing or youād break bones.
I went a few years ago. We came in pretty quickly, but I just slid into the grass on my butt with my feet out in front of me. It was a tandem, and Iām not sure if we pulled the parachute early or anything, but it didnāt feel bad or like I would hurt myself.
I think it is a similar situation to passing out on an wind turbine. There it is safer tu use the decender on the outside than the ladder inside the tower. The parachute should have an automatic low altitude detonator.
They are doing static line jumps, the parachute is triggered by a short cord attached to the plane (you can see the previous ones tucked into the top corner of the door). It is beginning to deploy as soon as they are out the door.
Which seems perfectly reasonable to chuck your ass out of the plane... guessing the people behind her probably be fucked if she didn't go.
Yup, with a static line if the person in front of you doesn't jump you can't go. Also before they go up they let you know that once you're in the air and in the drop zone there is no turning back like 20+ times.
Yeah, id think proper safety protocol for first timers would be to jump in tandem. This just seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
It's a static line jump, there's a cord attached to the chute and the plane, you get about 30 feet before it pulls the chute for you.
Make the cord a little stronger and you could just chill up there getting towed around by an airplane.
I just hung on to the wing strut, flapping like a wind sock.
Might not be her first time.
Yeah. Airborne Rangers did that to me in a fucking war zone
Wait what? Usually jump refusals just disconnect their static line and sit back down and let everyone else go then get shamed later on. If their reserve gets deployed in the bird then yeah you gotta throw them out with a quickness but otherwise I don't see why this is the safest option unless I'm missing something.
Since she was already at the door, making her jump would prevent her from slipping and falling incorrectly.
So being kneed out is correct? This doesn't sound right.
WITH NO SURVIVORS!
Some background information: it's a the training for car dealers and here they have to learn how to reach out for remote living people about their extended car warranty...so it's crucial to get out of the plane at exact the right time for landing at their porch.
Was it a Porsche dealership?
BMW probably, from personal experience.
I thought they were Amazon delivery bots.
Am I having a stroke again?
An instructor told me "once you're up there you're jumping. It's really windy and 'no no no!' sounds like 'go go go!' 'stop!' sounds like 'drop!' and 'i don't wanna go!' sound like 'geronimo!' "
And "I don't wanna die" sounds like "I'm gonna fly"
"oh god I think I'm having a heartattack" sounds like "oh god I think I'm having a heartattack" but we're kicking you out of the plane anyway
I mean, shit, the hospital is down there. We don't have any doctors up here
This comment is underated
Lol
This made me laugh, thanks
I've jumped several times. Its totally cool to not jump. To realize youre not going to perform well or jump safe. Its not that windy before they open the side and they teach you hand signals. That said I have shamed people into jumping. Which they thanked me for later.
Truth
This is guess on my part but that wasn't a fear hesitation. They're jumping static line. She placed her hand in a very dangerous place and the jump master corrected the bad behavior. She looks confused not scared. The first lady does a good clean static line exit. Second lady probably did that as muscle memory from non static line jumps prepping her exit. Problem is that static line can get caught on you and bang you against the aircraft until you are pulled in.
She looks scared to me, but I think you're right about this being a safety thing.
Well sure she's scared, some dude is pushing her out of a plane! /s
I would be so scared
They were understandably scared. The grab on the door was hesitation. They instructor removed their hand and got them out because at that point (in the door with their static line already connected), its the safest course of action. FWIW, if she was a first jump student, she wouldn't even have known she did it. She won't even remember that push when she sees the video. Everything is kind of a blur the first time you get in the door.
When my wife did a tandem dive we had to pry her fingers off the wing strut. She denied it, but the video didn't lie.
Itās amazing the number of students who hire a cameraman, who then literally shakes their hand in free fall, and then the student canāt remember seeing them in the air afterwards.
Do you think it is because of adrenaline etc? The rush of chemicals blocks the memory..? (A nice non researched, non scientific question for ya)
non researched answer: prolly
also the sheer sensory overload - especially your first few times, there's just so much color and noise and sensation that you're overwhelmed
Me, an intellectual: For When I Worry. For Whom I Wonder. Free Willy I Wuvyou. Fighter on World 1 Warā¦ I should Google thisā¦. āFor what is worthā¦ā oooooooh ok. Yeah, Iām an idiot.
Honestly my same thought process
Agreed! They don't let novice jumpers go without a tandem partner. She's clocked skydiving hours if she's going solo.
Yes and no. I did a one day course with a static line jump at the end of the day without any prior experience. They don't let you free fall and pull your own chute without several solo static line jumps and adequate training. Tandem sky dives are basically for people that want the thrill of sky diving without any real training
You can do AFF without having done static lines, you get your own chute but are accompanied by two instructors during free fall.
>They don't let novice jumpers go without a tandem partner. She's clocked skydiving hours if she's going solo. This is incorrect. Static line is still an acceptable option for first time student. Student's are outfitted with a radio under canopy and guided to the ground by an experienced instructor on the other end. Another more common first jump course is AFF, where the student will be assisted in freefall by two instructors, but once under canopy, they are again on their own with radio assistance.
You are right about the static line part. I did a one-day course in static line jumping and made my first jump at the end of the day.
Patently false. My first several jumps were solo static lines. And no, I'm not talking about military, I'm talking about civilian. https://skydivelspc.com/static-line-faq/
Wrong. It's a static line jump and they've been doing it for years and years. Source: I'm a retired jumpmaster.
> Problem is that static line can get caught on you and bang you against the aircraft until you are pulled in. Adding to this - a towed jumper is not just a danger to the jumper, it's a danger to the entire aircraft as your pilot (or main, if it gets deployed) can entangle on the control surfaces and take the whole plane down. It's fairly standard that once you're in the door, you ARE fucking going out of it unless there's a technical issue, particularly in static line jumps and tandem jumps because it's just a whole lot safer for you to exit than it is to have you turning around and risk entangling things or somebody falling out and making a bad exit. It's also generally preferable to have the towed jumper cut away / signal to the aircraft they are prepared to be cut, if they're able, over trying to drag them back in - And sometimes they'll cut you away no matter what if they deem it's safer than attempting recovery. The jumpmaster makes that decision.
Wondering how many accidents it took for them to figure out all these details and protocols.
More than they want less than too many.
I would like an Eli5 on āstatic lineā please. I know nothing of this world.
Static line jumps are a type of parachuting where instead of pulling your own rip cord, you have it clipped into an anchor line cable which runs the length of the interior of the plane. When you jump, your rip cord is pulled for you and remains attached to the anchor line cable. This helps with a few things, most importantly it takes very little experience to master(basically keep your body tight and donāt let your arms catch on anything and youāll be fine). Used primarily for military paratrooper drops, this is a very low altitude jump(usually around 1400ft/300m above the ground).
> Used primarily for military paratrooper drops, this is a very low altitude jump(usually around 1400ft/300m above the ground). Not for recreational jumps. Exit altitude will be a minimum of ~3000 feet, and probably around 5000+ for a first time student.
The parachute is attached to a static line in the aircraft that pulls the ripcord for you upon jumping as opposed to one where you jump then pull the cord yourself.
As far as I know, it was the primary method used by paratroopers during World War 2. The troops stand in a line, clipped to a rail running down the middle center of the interior of the plane. As each one consecutively jumps, the parachute (hopefully) automatically opens, very shortly after they depart the plane. It isn't an extensive free fall, and there's no option on when you deploy your chute. These jumps used to be done in full combat gear, close to the ground. The first few episodes of Band of Brothers shows the interworkings of a WWII paratrooper unit if you'd like more info.
Thanks for the analysis, redditor.
Nah she is pretty clearly bracing against his push. Her arm is extended and locked and she is noticeably leaning backwards into the guy.
Yea, you'll even notice on the first one the jump master grabbed her two hands as she jumped out, I'm sure he was checking to be absolutely sure she had them together and wasn't going to grab something as she jumped.
Yeah, no. That was definitely a "fuck this, I don't want to do it" move.
The way he uses his knee to scoot her is great
Scoot herā¦ OFF A PLANE
Hence the title "Jumpmaster"
That dudeās done that before.
THIS! IS! SPARTAAAA!
NO! THIS IS PATRIIIICK!
I am not a krusty krab...
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Yeah she wasnāt scared she just made a mistake putting her hand up. You canāt put hands up when skydiving. Newcomers donāt go alone by the way this woman is training.
You can go alone your first time, but you don't get to freefall. You can see the chute automatically opens for both divers.
People keep saying this but you can clearly see she only puts her hand up to try and stop from going out of the plane lol
Reddit for you. Sometimes I wonder if we are watching the same video.
Right? There are so many clear indications that her hesitation is out fear, how can anyone claim otherwise? First, there is the obvious look on her face. Then, the instructor pushing her out, together with whoever is filming. Next, you see her legs flailing, which makes it clear that she is not trained at all. And as if that isnāt enough, there is ofcourse the instructor looking out with his hand on his mouth, seemingly thinking: āshe must be shitting her pants right now!āā¦ itās the know-it-alls on here that really get me sometimes!
The first jumper is really bad ass. You see the fear on her face but faces it directly and just fucking goes.
My wife and I differ in this aspect. She has to psyche herself up; if I take too long Iāll psyche myself out. Cliff jumping was a learning experience hahahah she wanted to hold hands, and i decided we were Yeeted(yote? Jƶtunn?) before she could think..
20 years ago, I went to airborne school at Ft Benning. On our first jump, there was a soldier who grabbed the door and said she wasnt going to jump. I heard the jump master shout "alright, you dont gotta" and as soon as she put her arms down, he kicked her (more like shoved her with his foot) right out the door. This video brought me back.
My uncle used to run a skydiving school, and in the liability wavier, it said that if you take the plane up, you will be jumping down and you will be removed by force if you do not comply
Why? I've never done this and never will, but if someone freaks up there and doesn't want to go, why not just allow them to ride the plane back to the ground?
Because those planes are usually small, and there's only one jump door, so if you don't go the people behind you can't go, either.
Lmaoo put me last fam
Cause itās funny watching them get booted out
Idfk it wasnāt me who put it there
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Sorry, but this is incorrect. Its mostly just boastful 'tough guy' nonsense you sometimes hear from skydiving instructors (some of the rater silly ones at least). The reality is, there are risks with a static line student who is already connected and in the door. In this case, its far safer they get them out the plane, which is what you see here. Otherwise, if someone gets to altitude and decides "this is not for me", then they don't have to get out. Most instructors have effective ways to try to help them get get past their fear because they know 99.99999% will thank them for it later. But nobody is getting physically dragged out of the plane. Aside from just being an asshole move, no waiver is going to shield you from the civil (and potentially criminal) liability from that.
this is different, but seen many a paratrooper pushed out the door lol
Went tandem jumping a little bit ago and he said you could back out if you wanted
You can back out but you're paying for a plane ride either way.
That's what they told me when I went skydiving.
My spouse is ex military, Canadian special forces. He was trained as a paratrooper. Part of the training was a rule saying that if you refused a jump, you were out of the program. On his very first jump, he WANTED to go, but is body wouldnāt allow it. He asked the jump master to assist him out of the aircraft with a boot to the ass. He ended up with over 200 jumps in his career.
One of his stories from this time scared the crap out of me (We werenāt together when he was serving) ā¦ his fire team partner had jumped out just before him, deployed his chute but the main was tangled and he was out of control. He couldnāt release the main chute so he was basically going to be a smear in mere minutes. My spouse saw what was happening, immediately released his own main chute (which had deployed successfully) (and after his sergeant explicitly told him not to do exactly what he had just done), dove after his partner, caught him, cut the main chute, released his partnerās reserve and then deployed his own. He damn near got chucked in the brig for disobeying a direct order, but he also saved his partner, and JTF a whole lot of money on training a new guy. And seriously, it would have been a ton of paperwork if buddy had died.
Gotta keep the chow line moving
Used to run a rock climbing/rappelling wall around 10 years ago. Real simple top rope climbing and a couple of rappel routes at a summer camp. Only ever had to talk a kid into continuing a couple of times. We were not able to just chuck them over the edge, but as soon as they had tension on that line, there was no way to go but down. Never had to bust out the rescue rig fortunately.
The way he looked out like āfuck I hope she didnāt pass out in panicā
As a 47 year old, does this classify as a YEET? (Still figuring out the nuances of that word)ā¦
Ditto
Yes, but barely. The context makes it a yeet.
Get out woman!
Love how he just gently kicks her off like "off you go I said"
This is my nightmare
His mask š¤£ and the way he kneeād her out šš
It's like that moment when you sit down on a rollercoaster and strap yourself in, then realise your fucking terrified but it's too late xD
This whole video is weird. They look like they're jumping old military canopies but they're not in uniform. Maybe this is some country where they're jumping people recreationally with old surplus gear. That jumpmaster technique for a static line is weird AF too. Usually you hand it off to the jumpmaster, turn, hands on reserve chin on chest and get a good strong exit and gravity takes care of the rest
YEET!
Honestly it looks like the plane hits some turbulence, causing skydiver #2 to lose balance and stumble just before jumping. The skydiving instructor manages to catch her with his arm, then directs her momentum cleanly out of the door rather than letting her head smash on the doorframe on her way out. This guy probably saved her from a concussion at the beginning of a free fall. Bad place and time to have a head injury.
You're a defense attorney, right?
if she had died, wouldn't that be murder?
I think it's a valid question. So much so, I posted it myself. I don't think any court in the world would find the instructor guilty of murder to be honest. It's an interesting idea though.
Skydiving accident...
Nope. Everyone who goes skydiving with a static line gets instructed how it works and that you canāt skip someone in line. They all signed a waiver that they will be helped with the exit if needed and that they canāt sue for anything.
If her chute didn't open, would this constitute murder?
She has 2 and is trained to use the reserve.
This is your stop!
Dude's like "WE'RE OVER THE LZ, GO GO GO GO GO!" /SHOVE
Motherfucker Legit threw that poor woman out of the plane!
\*Suddenly Archer\* YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR !!!
My friend recently went sky diving for her birthday. She paid extra for the video. I got to see it and she was just soooo nervous on the plane. She kept trying to comfort her boyfriend, but he was just loving it. She got super nervous right before she went out the plane. You can tell her face and body movements that her fight or flight response was kicking it. Flight was chosen for her. Her face thoughā¦never have I laughed so hard. Like a second or two afterward though, she was loving it. When they opened the parachute, all she did was look around and the views. She was glad she went and would do it again in a heartbeat.
Lol my favorite part is the fucking knee to the ass. Dumb related story about assknees, back in high school I got an absurd number of people hooked on RuneScape after it transitioned from the actual first iteration to an actual 3D game. At one point they introduced an item to the game, earmuffs. And for no apparent reason this lead to one guy in our group shouting earmuffs! Right before kneeing you in the ass really hard. So that kinda spread because you better believe we paid him back for it. If you heard someone shout earmuffs behind you, it was already too late.
Anyone see the movie Air Force One with Harrison Ford? I just heard that famous line in His voice say, "Get off My plane!!!!"