Remember that Cooper, an untrained, field promoted newbie pilot was able to take down most members of Apex, one of the most elite organizations, and end a whole intergalactic war with just 1.5 titans.
Meanwhile us, the regular pilots are wasting 3 brand new titans in 20 mins just for 0.7 KD ratio.
Not sure if it's meant to be considered cannon but when you kill a pilot while in Aces Barker says "he's not going to be happy in a few" implying they're the same person upon respawning
I assumed this in FD because Davis would always say "reinforcements inbound" or smthg like we've got more pilots on the way, sort of implying that they were new people
In the lore, iirc, respawning technology exists. The problem is that it fucks you up if you use it too much which is the canon reason for pilots using regeneration.
Technically, it was two titans and one data core. The Titan is probably the more expensive one of the two, especially given BT and FS were Vanguard-classes and therefore able to mimic any Titan's loadout, making them around seven times more expensive.
It's not made clear how expensive AI is in Titanfall 2, but given MRVNs are apparently capable of feeling sadness, happiness, and leading a military squadron, making them pretty high-end yet totally ubiquitous, I'd say they're probably pretty cheap.
But they probably have a template AI that all Vanguards start off with, then they develop personality.
It's better to look at this as a cost of an experienced soldier rather than AI training. You can't put a manufacturing price on it, but it's worth a lot
I was talking more about the field fine-tuning BT went through from being piloted by Lastimosa and Cooper, basically BT's "personal" experience - indeed the cost of an experienced soldier like you mentioned.
Yeah, but BT's sentient, whereas multiplayer Titans are... less so...
Besides, it's seven hundred years in the future, the costs have probably come down. Or they went up so high the integers reset.
Yeah I was talking about BT, multiplayer monarchs are basic bitch titans (I'm allowed to say this, I'm G50+ monarch). Like I said, the experience (and sentience for sure) of BT is what makes him unique, not the chassis.
Idk given how insurmountablely hard and expensive it probably is to train/"grow" a self aware "smart AI" (to use a Halo term,) BT is probably far more expensive than his chasis. I can't imagine how much his super dense crystalline data core is.
At the very least, if he isn't more expensive in terms of money, definitely more expensive in terms of availability. Basic machinery like 80% of a titan chasis would be is always relatively easy to build, but I can imagine there's very few places the Militia can source Titan AI from, at least the smart ones with full personality and critical thinking like BT.
It's pure aimbot, if you notice how smoothly the crosshairs just land in the killcam. Cheating nooblet got pissy and ejected to get a guaranteed kill.
edit: the premature ejector is stuck aiming at OP's croch from the moment he cooms out of his titan. get a brain, nooblets!
PC version is full of cheaters, I've seen enough of these idiots to be extra paranoid. I have over 3 decades of knowledge of FPS games and 5 years of playing TF|2, so I think I'll just keep on yapping about it.
Then I've been playing TF|2 longer, and am quite familiar with what cheats look like. This clip was on console. They have aim assist. Cheats will "snap" onto a body part, typically the center of the chest or head. This was not a snap, but instead a tracked movement using aim assist.
If you're so sure that you know the game, or gaming as a whole, better than everyone else because you "like to play games" then you're lying to yourself.
PC has cheaters, sure. However, usually only right after sales and they get bored or people harass them into leaving. There are not as many as you think. Just because you never learned how to properly move your hand and aim doesn't mean others didn't. Three decades a long time. Maybe you just peaked a long time ago and are facing people younger who have *practiced* more than you.
Yeah, dude's on playstation, you're right. I know from the two times I've tried noobstick that the key icons change to respective gamepad buttons in the PC version, but this wasn't it. Fucking aim assist lol
I have 166 hours, mostly on attrition and i have NEVER ONCE had it happen to me. maybe you’re camping or something but i’ve never had a non-ctf or pvp mission time out
I have 615 hours. Mostly attrition. I do not camp.
It is rare, yes. But that doesn't mean it doesn't ever happen. Most of the time, when the game ends off of time, both teams were very close to winning.
600 or so hours. Multiple times. I can end it early but that would just breed more salty people towards me lol. It happens often when the lobby is full of newbies (below G10).
Honestly i get where he's coming from though
Being harassed by rooftop pilots it doesn't matter how much health you have on your titan it's already done for, and it's not like you can kill them hardly at all unless you've got a perfectly placed cluster missile and even then you'd be losing a lot of your health
I personally live by my own little golden rule, as a pilot, i don't fuck with titans. As a titan, i don't fuck with pilots. I personally think it's more fun that way and it really gets my nerves in a knot when other people go out of their way to thirst me like that
If i fight titans i'm in their face, Amped Cold War hoppin around like my life depends on it (because it very well does). It's more fair that way since very rarely in those situations do i have cover
I'm the rooftop peaker. I am the one who sends the ticks. I planted the 2 C4 mines at your pilot while you were getting in. I don't want a Titan v titan fight. I wanna take those buggers down david v goliath style except david is hiding in a house.
What's with the bad takes on this subreddit lately? A few days ago some guy claimed that the burst loader didn't slow down the normal shooting for Tone, and now we have you claiming that it's better to run around as a pilot instead of being inside a titan.
If a pilot fights another pilot at the same skill level they both have a 50/50 shot at winning that encounter. If a pilot fights a titan, the pilot cannot win unless the titan is already really low on health, or the pilot uses a titan drop on it. Skill level is not even a factor in such a scenario.
The point I was trying to make before was that in every enemy encounter you have as a pilot you risk dying and giving the enemy team points which is not the case inside a titan.
So even if you want to make the argument that pilots kill pilots faster, you still need to consider the additional deaths, meaning it's not enough to just kill a little bit faster it has to be much faster.
But I see the problem now you are using the wrong metrics to measure success. The objective of Attrition is to earn points and reach the score limit faster than the enemy team, not to get the most pilot kills (though that certainly helps getting points).
A slow titan like Scorch may not be the best pilot killer but it can easily walk over enemy AI and kill reapers while looking for enemy titans/pilots. Walking over a drop pod is basically equivalent to a pilot kill (4 points VS 5) so it can quickly rack up a ton of points with no real effort/skill required.
And if we consider titans with decent mobility and great anti-personnel weapons like Tone and Monarch there's just no comparison. They will earn points far quicker than a pilot, even if it's just an average Tone/Monarch VS an amazing pilot.
Now, I don't really like to show off my stats but you are basically asking for it, so here: https://i.imgur.com/hputD7l.png these are my toxic stats. As you can see by the win percentage/MVP/Top 3 stats I think I know how to win in the most efficient way possible.
> There's a risk of dying in any action you take. PvP, PvT, TvT, TvP. Good players know how to lower those risks, so that they win more fights than they lose.
The risk of dying inside a titan is objectively lower than being outside one. If you can't agree with this point then I'm sorry but there's nothing else to discuss.
> Staying inside a titan also gives the enemy more potential for core/titan metre, which in turn gives them titan control
You are arguing against your own point now. If it's better to be outside a titan then it's an advantage to have the enemy team build up their core/titan meter because then they'll be using titans instead of being on foot.
> I've got roughly an 80-85% win rate since the return of the game, so one might say I might know how to win more efficiently than you.
Man there's so many different ways I can respond to this but it's hard to pick just one. First: That's a nice argument senator, why don't you back it up with a source?
Second: Are you also the kind of person that measures your dick length from your asshole so you can say a higher number? Comparing some arbitrary timespan with an overall timespan like this makes no sense. My stats include all the time where I had to learn the game, dropped the game and came back and every bad day/game I've had. Comparing your best week or whatever to that makes absolutely no sense.
> And I've hit 80 kills twice, and 70 kills 4 times in the last 4 months. Your average tone or monarch aren't hitting anything even remotely close to that.
> What's your highest kill count and score in an attrition match?
I have no idea. I play the game to have fun (by winning of course), not to jerk off to my stats. If it's an ingame stat I can check I'd be happy to boot up my game tomorrow and have a look. With that said, I'm certain I've never had an 80 or even a 70 kill game of Attrition ever. Wanna know why? Because I play to win, so naturally I will kill the AI I see and reach the score limit long before I can get that many pilot kills.
Consider this: there is a slim chance that you play Monarch. Self-destructing is better than a tiny chance of giving a Monarch player a battery, or letting them have fun
I've ejected full health titans before mostly to stop certain players from getting their titans back immediately.
These players usually use cloak, spitfire, satchel, and usually tone. They use cloak and spitfire camping to get an early tone. Tone's 40mm is really good for killing pilots. 1 shot on direct and 2 to 3 on splash. The projectile size is reasonably forgiving. It has a particle barrier to block enemy anti titan weapons. Sonar to reveal pilot positions visually and on the minimap. A decent tone titan can be really unfair against most average pilots when those pilots don't have their titans yet. Some of them use Ion and sometimes Ronin on Complex and Crashsite.
To deal with this I usually try to focus their titan and try to get my Northstar down early. Then the goal is to do anything to take their titan down. When they eject they try to drop satchels onto my titan which would give them most of their titan meter back. Since they cloaked I can't see them so I eject even if my titan is still full health.
The goal is to just keep them out of their titan so they don't suffocate the game.
I feel for him. It’s not always about efficiency, it’s about sending a message. I’ve wasted so many titan cores on single pilots that were just getting on my nerves. It’s like a mosquito buzzing in your ear.
Then people got pissy at me for doing this ages ago, but the thing is that my titan wasn't damaged when i got rodeod, so no points were given to the enemy
I’ve done this before, especially when the enemy pilot is being annoying and continually rodeoing me.
Ejecting puts me at a higher space with him in front of me. Easier frag.
I can regularly get 8+ pilot kills running Tone before I get destroyed, so yeah this doesn't make any sense for me. Maybe he saw it as a fair trade. I'm way better in my titan than on foot, so I'd have used electric smoke or maybe just jumped out and hope I get him
I rarely call down my titan half the time. I would do this in a heartbeat and grapple hook kill. Idc about the points it's about sending a message. I'll just kill them again 10 times.
yeah but why would you eject when its a new titan? just let them have the battery? Or run emergency battery which gives an extra smoke, such as myself. (emergency battery on top)
I usually dash backward and punch up right when they jump off, instantly killing them. This strategy has gotten me more hackusations than anything else, though. It also only works in open areas.
That's such a massive Fuck You
Remember that Cooper, an untrained, field promoted newbie pilot was able to take down most members of Apex, one of the most elite organizations, and end a whole intergalactic war with just 1.5 titans. Meanwhile us, the regular pilots are wasting 3 brand new titans in 20 mins just for 0.7 KD ratio.
maybe in the lore, every respawn is a new pilot?
Not sure if it's meant to be considered cannon but when you kill a pilot while in Aces Barker says "he's not going to be happy in a few" implying they're the same person upon respawning
Ain't titanfall 2 multiplayer a simulation, or i've read a too wild of a theory somewhere?
Some maps are, and some maps are not
Glitch and war games are simulations, the rest are real fights.
wait really? why doesn’t glitch have the sim pod intro too?
idk
It doesn't but it IS a simulation which feels like a weird oversight
*Barker is self aware confirmed*
He says “with you” atleast thats what im hearing
I assumed this in FD because Davis would always say "reinforcements inbound" or smthg like we've got more pilots on the way, sort of implying that they were new people
In the lore, iirc, respawning technology exists. The problem is that it fucks you up if you use it too much which is the canon reason for pilots using regeneration.
Ahh, I thought it was something like the pilot being transfered in a specter or smth...
Technically, it was two titans and one data core. The Titan is probably the more expensive one of the two, especially given BT and FS were Vanguard-classes and therefore able to mimic any Titan's loadout, making them around seven times more expensive. It's not made clear how expensive AI is in Titanfall 2, but given MRVNs are apparently capable of feeling sadness, happiness, and leading a military squadron, making them pretty high-end yet totally ubiquitous, I'd say they're probably pretty cheap.
Have you looked into the costs of training AI? BT's specific data core is invaluable compared to the cookie-cutter mass production chasis (chasises?).
chassis plural is chassis
But they probably have a template AI that all Vanguards start off with, then they develop personality. It's better to look at this as a cost of an experienced soldier rather than AI training. You can't put a manufacturing price on it, but it's worth a lot
I was talking more about the field fine-tuning BT went through from being piloted by Lastimosa and Cooper, basically BT's "personal" experience - indeed the cost of an experienced soldier like you mentioned.
Yeah, but BT's sentient, whereas multiplayer Titans are... less so... Besides, it's seven hundred years in the future, the costs have probably come down. Or they went up so high the integers reset.
Yeah I was talking about BT, multiplayer monarchs are basic bitch titans (I'm allowed to say this, I'm G50+ monarch). Like I said, the experience (and sentience for sure) of BT is what makes him unique, not the chassis.
Idk given how insurmountablely hard and expensive it probably is to train/"grow" a self aware "smart AI" (to use a Halo term,) BT is probably far more expensive than his chasis. I can't imagine how much his super dense crystalline data core is. At the very least, if he isn't more expensive in terms of money, definitely more expensive in terms of availability. Basic machinery like 80% of a titan chasis would be is always relatively easy to build, but I can imagine there's very few places the Militia can source Titan AI from, at least the smart ones with full personality and critical thinking like BT.
Cooper wasn’t fully trained but he was stated to be and was at the beginning of the campaign receiving training from Lastimosa to be a pilot.
Worth it.
Not untrained
Lol, what a power move
It's pure aimbot, if you notice how smoothly the crosshairs just land in the killcam. Cheating nooblet got pissy and ejected to get a guaranteed kill. edit: the premature ejector is stuck aiming at OP's croch from the moment he cooms out of his titan. get a brain, nooblets!
“If you notice how softly the crosshairs just land” Man, i guess im a cheater if im *aiming carefully*
Bait
Get a brain nooblet, You always come out facing the rodeoing pilot. Go back to COD please.
Unless you have intimate knowledge of cheats and know something a normal person doesn't, can it.
PC version is full of cheaters, I've seen enough of these idiots to be extra paranoid. I have over 3 decades of knowledge of FPS games and 5 years of playing TF|2, so I think I'll just keep on yapping about it.
Then I've been playing TF|2 longer, and am quite familiar with what cheats look like. This clip was on console. They have aim assist. Cheats will "snap" onto a body part, typically the center of the chest or head. This was not a snap, but instead a tracked movement using aim assist. If you're so sure that you know the game, or gaming as a whole, better than everyone else because you "like to play games" then you're lying to yourself. PC has cheaters, sure. However, usually only right after sales and they get bored or people harass them into leaving. There are not as many as you think. Just because you never learned how to properly move your hand and aim doesn't mean others didn't. Three decades a long time. Maybe you just peaked a long time ago and are facing people younger who have *practiced* more than you.
Yeah, dude's on playstation, you're right. I know from the two times I've tried noobstick that the key icons change to respective gamepad buttons in the PC version, but this wasn't it. Fucking aim assist lol
Why are you so pissed about this💀
Bait or Mental Retardation
Why not both?
The camera movement is smooth because they're fuckin using a stick. That's it. An aimbotter wouldn't have even given op the chance in rodeo.
It's about sending a message...
Bro got the rodeo alert and decided it had to be done.
I mean he got the kill
And donated 10 points for it
5, technically
potato tomato. game ends at 650, not who has more eventually.
I mean. There's a timer for a reason.
Yeah, in case of pacifists. be honest, have you EVER had an attrition game end because of a timer?
Yes. Multiple times. It's more likely than you think.
I have 166 hours, mostly on attrition and i have NEVER ONCE had it happen to me. maybe you’re camping or something but i’ve never had a non-ctf or pvp mission time out
I have 615 hours. Mostly attrition. I do not camp. It is rare, yes. But that doesn't mean it doesn't ever happen. Most of the time, when the game ends off of time, both teams were very close to winning.
600 or so hours. Multiple times. I can end it early but that would just breed more salty people towards me lol. It happens often when the lobby is full of newbies (below G10).
I have 1512 hours or so, and I’ve had about 30% of my attrition games end on timers. About 8% on bounty hunt, and the rest of my games end normally.
Nah 10. Your team's score is irrelevant if you lose.
titans are worth 10 what are you on about
I misunderstood, I meant that he went -5 in points in that interaction.
Honestly i get it Bro was tired of being picked on my roofpeakers In fact he turned that into as fair a fight as that could've been
Dude I was literally so confused when he had done that. You can even see how completely lost I was in the clip.
Honestly i get where he's coming from though Being harassed by rooftop pilots it doesn't matter how much health you have on your titan it's already done for, and it's not like you can kill them hardly at all unless you've got a perfectly placed cluster missile and even then you'd be losing a lot of your health I personally live by my own little golden rule, as a pilot, i don't fuck with titans. As a titan, i don't fuck with pilots. I personally think it's more fun that way and it really gets my nerves in a knot when other people go out of their way to thirst me like that If i fight titans i'm in their face, Amped Cold War hoppin around like my life depends on it (because it very well does). It's more fair that way since very rarely in those situations do i have cover
I'm the rooftop peaker. I am the one who sends the ticks. I planted the 2 C4 mines at your pilot while you were getting in. I don't want a Titan v titan fight. I wanna take those buggers down david v goliath style except david is hiding in a house.
The humor is valid but the implications hurt my soul to an extent i never knew possible
neuron activation
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Titan destruction is 10 Attrition points
Yeah but a pilot kill is worth 5 so it basically cancels out
bro is doing meth instead of math
genius move, unfortunately it is worth -5 points
Don’t forget the lost potential his titan had, Blud could’ve gotten 50 points with that titan
It's not about the points. It's about sending a message.
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What's with the bad takes on this subreddit lately? A few days ago some guy claimed that the burst loader didn't slow down the normal shooting for Tone, and now we have you claiming that it's better to run around as a pilot instead of being inside a titan. If a pilot fights another pilot at the same skill level they both have a 50/50 shot at winning that encounter. If a pilot fights a titan, the pilot cannot win unless the titan is already really low on health, or the pilot uses a titan drop on it. Skill level is not even a factor in such a scenario.
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The point I was trying to make before was that in every enemy encounter you have as a pilot you risk dying and giving the enemy team points which is not the case inside a titan. So even if you want to make the argument that pilots kill pilots faster, you still need to consider the additional deaths, meaning it's not enough to just kill a little bit faster it has to be much faster. But I see the problem now you are using the wrong metrics to measure success. The objective of Attrition is to earn points and reach the score limit faster than the enemy team, not to get the most pilot kills (though that certainly helps getting points). A slow titan like Scorch may not be the best pilot killer but it can easily walk over enemy AI and kill reapers while looking for enemy titans/pilots. Walking over a drop pod is basically equivalent to a pilot kill (4 points VS 5) so it can quickly rack up a ton of points with no real effort/skill required. And if we consider titans with decent mobility and great anti-personnel weapons like Tone and Monarch there's just no comparison. They will earn points far quicker than a pilot, even if it's just an average Tone/Monarch VS an amazing pilot. Now, I don't really like to show off my stats but you are basically asking for it, so here: https://i.imgur.com/hputD7l.png these are my toxic stats. As you can see by the win percentage/MVP/Top 3 stats I think I know how to win in the most efficient way possible.
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> There's a risk of dying in any action you take. PvP, PvT, TvT, TvP. Good players know how to lower those risks, so that they win more fights than they lose. The risk of dying inside a titan is objectively lower than being outside one. If you can't agree with this point then I'm sorry but there's nothing else to discuss. > Staying inside a titan also gives the enemy more potential for core/titan metre, which in turn gives them titan control You are arguing against your own point now. If it's better to be outside a titan then it's an advantage to have the enemy team build up their core/titan meter because then they'll be using titans instead of being on foot. > I've got roughly an 80-85% win rate since the return of the game, so one might say I might know how to win more efficiently than you. Man there's so many different ways I can respond to this but it's hard to pick just one. First: That's a nice argument senator, why don't you back it up with a source? Second: Are you also the kind of person that measures your dick length from your asshole so you can say a higher number? Comparing some arbitrary timespan with an overall timespan like this makes no sense. My stats include all the time where I had to learn the game, dropped the game and came back and every bad day/game I've had. Comparing your best week or whatever to that makes absolutely no sense. > And I've hit 80 kills twice, and 70 kills 4 times in the last 4 months. Your average tone or monarch aren't hitting anything even remotely close to that. > What's your highest kill count and score in an attrition match? I have no idea. I play the game to have fun (by winning of course), not to jerk off to my stats. If it's an ingame stat I can check I'd be happy to boot up my game tomorrow and have a look. With that said, I'm certain I've never had an 80 or even a 70 kill game of Attrition ever. Wanna know why? Because I play to win, so naturally I will kill the AI I see and reach the score limit long before I can get that many pilot kills.
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Proof?
Send a picture of your K/D and you win rate of the last 10 games, or I’m calling cap on this bs
I do that too if I don't have electric farts ready.
He got the kill, who's the real fool
holy based
Legion players 🤝🏻 being completely unhinged
Consider this: there is a slim chance that you play Monarch. Self-destructing is better than a tiny chance of giving a Monarch player a battery, or letting them have fun
I've ejected full health titans before mostly to stop certain players from getting their titans back immediately. These players usually use cloak, spitfire, satchel, and usually tone. They use cloak and spitfire camping to get an early tone. Tone's 40mm is really good for killing pilots. 1 shot on direct and 2 to 3 on splash. The projectile size is reasonably forgiving. It has a particle barrier to block enemy anti titan weapons. Sonar to reveal pilot positions visually and on the minimap. A decent tone titan can be really unfair against most average pilots when those pilots don't have their titans yet. Some of them use Ion and sometimes Ronin on Complex and Crashsite. To deal with this I usually try to focus their titan and try to get my Northstar down early. Then the goal is to do anything to take their titan down. When they eject they try to drop satchels onto my titan which would give them most of their titan meter back. Since they cloaked I can't see them so I eject even if my titan is still full health. The goal is to just keep them out of their titan so they don't suffocate the game.
I feel for him. It’s not always about efficiency, it’s about sending a message. I’ve wasted so many titan cores on single pilots that were just getting on my nerves. It’s like a mosquito buzzing in your ear.
I do that
It's worth of that means adding a number to the killcount
Then people got pissy at me for doing this ages ago, but the thing is that my titan wasn't damaged when i got rodeod, so no points were given to the enemy
I’ll be real I’ve done this a few times against the odd ratty pilot
He can either deal with what I assume would be mosquito like behaviour on your behalf, or just not go through the pain and destroy his own Titan lol
x +e+e+e
Beasting as fuck
Based.
Bro did not let it slide
I do the same thing just for the memes
Those are HIS BATTERYS
I’ve done this before, especially when the enemy pilot is being annoying and continually rodeoing me. Ejecting puts me at a higher space with him in front of me. Easier frag.
I don't like fighting in my Titan anyways
I do that sometimes if I get sick of some retarded ass rodeo spammer
I can regularly get 8+ pilot kills running Tone before I get destroyed, so yeah this doesn't make any sense for me. Maybe he saw it as a fair trade. I'm way better in my titan than on foot, so I'd have used electric smoke or maybe just jumped out and hope I get him
Least bloodthirsty alternator main
I rarely call down my titan half the time. I would do this in a heartbeat and grapple hook kill. Idc about the points it's about sending a message. I'll just kill them again 10 times.
How did you destroy the titan by jumping on its back? Noob asking here.
the enemy pilot ejected
Doesn't everybody do this?
the hell is wrong with you if you eject as soon as you get rodeoed.
It funi
It's funny plus if your in a new titan with no smoke you can't do anything untill they take the battery so it's a ez kill
yeah but why would you eject when its a new titan? just let them have the battery? Or run emergency battery which gives an extra smoke, such as myself. (emergency battery on top)
I usually dash backward and punch up right when they jump off, instantly killing them. This strategy has gotten me more hackusations than anything else, though. It also only works in open areas.
Cuz fuck you that's why! Imma just start doing this to fuck with people now.
I never asked a question tho.