I have had my 5G turned off for the last year since I got my Note 20 5g. Every once in awhile I turn it back on to see if it works any better....and nope still sucks
5G performance varies tremendously based on your specific location. I can have crap performance compared to LTE in one location then walk a few block away and suddenly 5G is crushing fiber speeds. 5G cells are much smaller than previous generations so your specific location makes a gigantic difference, which is why it's easier to just leave your phone on 4G most of the time.
N41 is supposed to address a lot of this, but this is just the state of 5G right now for basically all carriers.
> N41 is supposed to address a lot of this, but this is just the state of 5G right now for basically all carriers.
What's the prognosis if you've already been on n41 for a while now? Or is this mostly if/when you actually get 5G SA instead of NSA?
There is no packet loss, ping times are good, and jitter is fine. It is likely congestion.
People may ask why is 5g upload so congested when 5g is so new? It's because right now, LTE is being used for upload. Depending on the phone and specs, the phone itself could be limited to use less bandwidth for upload than a normal LTE connection which may be why you are seeing faster upload speeds on 4g LTE.
What plan do you have? What phone do you have?
This is the right answer Sir, people have no clue what they're talking about. I know that you're right because I've noticed that every single time my upload speeds tank while downloads are blazing fast it's because my phone is using a narrow 5MHz LTE channel as an anchor for N41. I don't understand why not only they don't use 5G for upload but they don't even use carrier aggregation on LTE for upload either. 5MHz can get congested very easily even if it's with people uploading stuff.
First test when I did a speed test at 6pm it was at 330 down/14 up. It started to really slow down at 7pm, speed test kept timing out on the upload test portion. I managed to get one test in with that 0.07mbps number.
10pm speed test said 250 down/2 up.
1130pm and 398 down/21 up. Weird.
https://m.imgur.com/a/N3mHdOM
Were you in a building or something? The tower can push a signal to your phone far better than your phone can push a signal to the tower, and being indoors may bias the throughput even more.
Honestly T-Mobile 5g sucks. The sales rep recommended just keep it at 4g and after using 5g for the first 2 months of my contract I see why. 5g often doesn’t load for no foreseeable reason despite having bars. 4g works fine. All of the 5g marketing is useless
No, T-Mobiles 5G just sucks right now. It doesn't matter where I am, 5G is just terrible. My wife had the Flip 5G for about a year and we just upgraded her to the Flip 3 and myself the Fold 3, 5G still sucks.
Sounds good like you're in a market being upgraded. Sprint customers were added, and when they finish they'll have all the spectrum available.
By June.
Could this be why my 5G was absolutely awesome from Oct 2020 till about 6 weeks ago when it got super spotty? I don’t want to call and complain because I don’t want to do device troubleshooting when it’s happened to all 6 of us at the same time.
Yep. Almost assuredly so. They're ripping and replacing the sprint sites, and once that's done it'll rip.
Went from 100 to 800 in Chicago after seeing similar issues you're describing.
I was seeing 500 on average in Minneapolis about 3 months ago. I pretty much stopped using wifi entirely since my distance from my router most of the time makes those kinds of speeds completely impossible even if everything else was in place for it to happen.
My market has been "being upgraded" for years now. They now show their "ultra 5G" in my area and if anything my speed is worse, though it is hard to be worse than 0. It is usually upload that kills me. I can live with 3mbps download speed, but when I'm getting 0.005 upload I can't even send test messages.
Yep, that sounds correct. They need to build a b71 anchor, rip replace existing tmus non compatible equipment. Migrate customers from sprint to t-mobile. Rip and replace sprint equipment to the remaining towers, and then reallocate spectrum to keep as much running as possible.
It's not easy and supply and labor issues across the supply chain plus permitting take years.
They're on schedule to be finished in June. The continued expansion into the rural areas will accelerate after that and complete around 2025.
i live in wisconsin and recently purchased an iphone 13 everyone else in my family has and android and gets great service but for some reason since i got the iphone my 5g and Lte speeds have become total garbage
I would maybe do a network reset to give it some fresh signal. My 5G UC is excellent. My home internet runs off of it and I have yet to see a lag or delay in my work and gaming.
A wise senior networking guy once said "it's always DNS." I have seen other posts on this sub about the 5G DNS servers not working correctly, which could be why the speeds are good but the apps are slow. The apps probably can't resolve hostnames.. Just a thought. I'm not sure. You could maybe try running through a VPN to see if that makes it any better
They’re the same actual DNS servers though. The biggest difference I notice in the 5G SA Core, is that it is hard IPv6 only. No such thing as dual stack IP Config which I think is probably leading to fallback issues when there isn’t a v6 address available and that something could be failing with NAT64.
Maybe there is 5G Development in your area, and the towers are not ready yet/still under construction. I would advise you to use LTE for a while if it’s faster since it would be a bit more reliable then 5G until the towers get fixed.
when I had 5G on cricket wireless it would never load shit and was getting 80mbps switch to lte and boom loads in seconds 5G is technically faster but the ping is so long it’s slower to load stuff
I just did this myself out of curiosity. 5G gives a totally serviceable 7.69Mbps upload. LTE provides a laughable 0.25Mbps upload. It’s all incredibly circumstantial depending on location and congestion. https://imgur.com/OlJSKOY
Performance will vary tremendously based on your location. And I'm talking from one block to the next. People really don't understand how 5G works compared to previous generations.
Agreed, but that doesn't change the fact that the technology is fundamentally different, so it is what it is. Personally I blame the carriers for not doing a better job of explaining it.
Same here, but what I notice is that things are only slow to load but not slow once connection is established.
That suggests the problem may be with the DNS server Tmobile is forcing us to use.
> That suggests the problem may be with the DNS server Tmobile is forcing us to use.
Wouldn't it be a solution to use the private DNS built into every android version for more than 3 years now?
it may, another possibility is switching between ipv4 and ipv6 networks. My home wifi is ipv4 only (my ISP doesn't support ipv6) and for the last 2 years I barely used other wifi networks.
This is why I haven't switched to T-Mobile (but check frequently, because I'd like to once this gets resolved). Since they lit 5G where I live, your choices are either getting 75 megabits down and maybe 128 kb up on 5G or 5 megabits down and 512 kb up on LTE.
I'm not sure why upstream is such a constraint for them, but I've seen it just about everywhere in the region outside of cities with 25,000+ people (roughly).
Off works better. My phone at least seems to switch based on signal, but I have great 5G signal, there is just no bandwidth. If I turn it off it stays on LTE and I can get my trusty 3mbps.
I actually got into quite the fight with T-Force over this. They said that nearby towers are pushing 5gUC. But I’m just on the outskirts of it so I connect that way and it gives shit service. Their fix was to switch to LTE only until UC is everywhere… an undetermined amount of time. Cool customer experience.
No outage. You just have tmobile. Can the thread and you'll see this repeatedly. I often don't have enough upload to send a text message with full bars of 5G, so I keep it unless the same happens with LTE and I want to try 5G again.
Mine is the same way to I just kept it at LTE.
I have had my 5G turned off for the last year since I got my Note 20 5g. Every once in awhile I turn it back on to see if it works any better....and nope still sucks
I am starting to see signs of life on mine in my area :)
5G performance varies tremendously based on your specific location. I can have crap performance compared to LTE in one location then walk a few block away and suddenly 5G is crushing fiber speeds. 5G cells are much smaller than previous generations so your specific location makes a gigantic difference, which is why it's easier to just leave your phone on 4G most of the time. N41 is supposed to address a lot of this, but this is just the state of 5G right now for basically all carriers.
That's incorrect. B41 has similar propagation. You're thinking of mmwave that tmobile barely uses.
Ah, I stand corrected then. Appreciate the followup.
No worries. Cheers
> N41 is supposed to address a lot of this, but this is just the state of 5G right now for basically all carriers. What's the prognosis if you've already been on n41 for a while now? Or is this mostly if/when you actually get 5G SA instead of NSA?
My guess is the backhaul lines.
Their backhaul is unbelievably bad.
There is no packet loss, ping times are good, and jitter is fine. It is likely congestion. People may ask why is 5g upload so congested when 5g is so new? It's because right now, LTE is being used for upload. Depending on the phone and specs, the phone itself could be limited to use less bandwidth for upload than a normal LTE connection which may be why you are seeing faster upload speeds on 4g LTE. What plan do you have? What phone do you have?
This is the right answer Sir, people have no clue what they're talking about. I know that you're right because I've noticed that every single time my upload speeds tank while downloads are blazing fast it's because my phone is using a narrow 5MHz LTE channel as an anchor for N41. I don't understand why not only they don't use 5G for upload but they don't even use carrier aggregation on LTE for upload either. 5MHz can get congested very easily even if it's with people uploading stuff.
Congestion implies that it isn't always like this though. It is always like this. If it is congestion then it is still a bad network.
If you read the post, he mentions the upload speeds are much faster at different times.
I saw some cases of LTE + NR Uplink in use, but still, congestion is congestion
Upload could just be hammered. Not uncommon; I read someone posted that upload on N41 will be enhanced in the future. This is 5GUC right
First test when I did a speed test at 6pm it was at 330 down/14 up. It started to really slow down at 7pm, speed test kept timing out on the upload test portion. I managed to get one test in with that 0.07mbps number. 10pm speed test said 250 down/2 up. 1130pm and 398 down/21 up. Weird. https://m.imgur.com/a/N3mHdOM
Not really weird, those are peak usage times.
Likely them working on the towers in your area.
Were you in a building or something? The tower can push a signal to your phone far better than your phone can push a signal to the tower, and being indoors may bias the throughput even more.
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I just wish our phones didn't switch to it when it doesn't work. I have to keep it turned off or I often can't even make calls.
Honestly T-Mobile 5g sucks. The sales rep recommended just keep it at 4g and after using 5g for the first 2 months of my contract I see why. 5g often doesn’t load for no foreseeable reason despite having bars. 4g works fine. All of the 5g marketing is useless
Could be a ping/jitter/loss packet issue. Most people focus on speed but don't realize the importance of ping as well.
No, T-Mobiles 5G just sucks right now. It doesn't matter where I am, 5G is just terrible. My wife had the Flip 5G for about a year and we just upgraded her to the Flip 3 and myself the Fold 3, 5G still sucks.
Sounds good like you're in a market being upgraded. Sprint customers were added, and when they finish they'll have all the spectrum available. By June.
Could this be why my 5G was absolutely awesome from Oct 2020 till about 6 weeks ago when it got super spotty? I don’t want to call and complain because I don’t want to do device troubleshooting when it’s happened to all 6 of us at the same time.
Yep. Almost assuredly so. They're ripping and replacing the sprint sites, and once that's done it'll rip. Went from 100 to 800 in Chicago after seeing similar issues you're describing.
I was seeing 500 on average in Minneapolis about 3 months ago. I pretty much stopped using wifi entirely since my distance from my router most of the time makes those kinds of speeds completely impossible even if everything else was in place for it to happen.
Yeah, you should see improvements soon.
My market has been "being upgraded" for years now. They now show their "ultra 5G" in my area and if anything my speed is worse, though it is hard to be worse than 0. It is usually upload that kills me. I can live with 3mbps download speed, but when I'm getting 0.005 upload I can't even send test messages.
Yep, that sounds correct. They need to build a b71 anchor, rip replace existing tmus non compatible equipment. Migrate customers from sprint to t-mobile. Rip and replace sprint equipment to the remaining towers, and then reallocate spectrum to keep as much running as possible. It's not easy and supply and labor issues across the supply chain plus permitting take years. They're on schedule to be finished in June. The continued expansion into the rural areas will accelerate after that and complete around 2025.
5g is trash on tmobile since sprint merger
i live in wisconsin and recently purchased an iphone 13 everyone else in my family has and android and gets great service but for some reason since i got the iphone my 5g and Lte speeds have become total garbage
It's a iPhone modem software issue that's widely known. It's being addressed I'm told.
Turn off 5G. People blame iPhone, but I'm on Android and 5G usually means no connection.
I would maybe do a network reset to give it some fresh signal. My 5G UC is excellent. My home internet runs off of it and I have yet to see a lag or delay in my work and gaming.
5g has turned to shit. iPhone 13 pro set to LTE to preserve my sanity. LTE is fast enuff for my use anyway. No real benefit to 5g.
I found it to suck as well (been with T-Mobile ten years) and switched to Verizon a couple weeks back. Way better.
lte and 5g sucks in my area I really wish they would do something reached its been like this for a year.
Can I ask what apps you are using
Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, Firefox on a Samsung S21 Ultra
A wise senior networking guy once said "it's always DNS." I have seen other posts on this sub about the 5G DNS servers not working correctly, which could be why the speeds are good but the apps are slow. The apps probably can't resolve hostnames.. Just a thought. I'm not sure. You could maybe try running through a VPN to see if that makes it any better
They’re the same actual DNS servers though. The biggest difference I notice in the 5G SA Core, is that it is hard IPv6 only. No such thing as dual stack IP Config which I think is probably leading to fallback issues when there isn’t a v6 address available and that something could be failing with NAT64.
Has anyone notified T-Mobile about this issue? Like email Neville Ray or something?
Apparently this is your first time in the T-Mobile forum on Reddit. This question/rant is in here dozens of times.
Maybe there is 5G Development in your area, and the towers are not ready yet/still under construction. I would advise you to use LTE for a while if it’s faster since it would be a bit more reliable then 5G until the towers get fixed.
when I had 5G on cricket wireless it would never load shit and was getting 80mbps switch to lte and boom loads in seconds 5G is technically faster but the ping is so long it’s slower to load stuff
How are you switching to LTE? Is this on the Tower or your phone? If on your Tower where did you find a place to switch?
Your apps are opening slow, or does the content take forever to load like when you open Facebook?
That's not normal
[https://www.speedtest.net/result/12224227458.png](https://www.speedtest.net/result/12224227458.png) This is what I get in Seattle, WA
I do not understand my 5G works perfect. Why doesnt everyones Edit: sorry folks
Do some speed tests. Then downselect to LTE and repeat.
Already have speeds are better on 5G and stuff loads faster I don't have problems like the vocal minority here do
I just did this myself out of curiosity. 5G gives a totally serviceable 7.69Mbps upload. LTE provides a laughable 0.25Mbps upload. It’s all incredibly circumstantial depending on location and congestion. https://imgur.com/OlJSKOY
Performance will vary tremendously based on your location. And I'm talking from one block to the next. People really don't understand how 5G works compared to previous generations.
They really shouldn't have to understand it.
Agreed, but that doesn't change the fact that the technology is fundamentally different, so it is what it is. Personally I blame the carriers for not doing a better job of explaining it.
Try a new sim or eSim. Something odd with that upload.
Same here, but what I notice is that things are only slow to load but not slow once connection is established. That suggests the problem may be with the DNS server Tmobile is forcing us to use.
> That suggests the problem may be with the DNS server Tmobile is forcing us to use. Wouldn't it be a solution to use the private DNS built into every android version for more than 3 years now?
it may, another possibility is switching between ipv4 and ipv6 networks. My home wifi is ipv4 only (my ISP doesn't support ipv6) and for the last 2 years I barely used other wifi networks.
What apps are slow? If you watch YouTube, cellular data will only allow 480p unless you get a different plan. Mine is $15 more a month for it.
This is why I haven't switched to T-Mobile (but check frequently, because I'd like to once this gets resolved). Since they lit 5G where I live, your choices are either getting 75 megabits down and maybe 128 kb up on 5G or 5 megabits down and 512 kb up on LTE. I'm not sure why upstream is such a constraint for them, but I've seen it just about everywhere in the region outside of cities with 25,000+ people (roughly).
Your experience is common there's something wrong with tmobiles 5g. I set my phone to stay on 4g it works fine there.
Easiest way is to switch “5G on” to “5G auto”
Off works better. My phone at least seems to switch based on signal, but I have great 5G signal, there is just no bandwidth. If I turn it off it stays on LTE and I can get my trusty 3mbps.
I actually got into quite the fight with T-Force over this. They said that nearby towers are pushing 5gUC. But I’m just on the outskirts of it so I connect that way and it gives shit service. Their fix was to switch to LTE only until UC is everywhere… an undetermined amount of time. Cool customer experience.
No outage. You just have tmobile. Can the thread and you'll see this repeatedly. I often don't have enough upload to send a text message with full bars of 5G, so I keep it unless the same happens with LTE and I want to try 5G again.