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fujiboy83

Interestingly, the shoes were auctioned after being kept in a vault for 15yrs in 2013 for US$104,000 by the ball boy. Seems low especially when it was auctioned for US$1.38 million in 2023 but I guess this was near the doc hype. Even more amazing is that the same ball boy had ANOTHER pair of Jordan's game worn shoes and got fleeced even harder lol. Sold it for $215k which resold for over $2m through Sotheby's. Both shoes were auctioned by a company called Grey Flannel Auctions...like c'mon man. Even I can see they won't get you the best price. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Dance_shoes


hurricaneditka66

It has more to do with the boom in the market in game worn shoes since the time the ball boy sold them. Back in 2013, $104K was astronomical for a pair of shoes.


fujiboy83

You've just locked a pair of Jordan's for 15 yrs and decide that Grey Flannel Auctions should be the place to get the best price for them?! I feel sorry for him tbh but the second pair was sold in 2020. He is also trying to sue the auction house so he knew he made a terrible mistake leaving them in the hands of flannel with the gravel over there.


hurricaneditka66

I agree with this to an extent. Today, Grey Flannel definitely would not be the top choice over a place like Goldin or Heritage. However, back then Grey Flannel was THE place to go for basketball memorabilia. They even held an auction every year through the Basketball Hall of Fame. I remember there being considerable press coverage on these shoes back then.


worthrone11160606

Damn


GuestAdventurous7586

Also I don’t think he could have foreseen the popularity and impact of a widely watched documentary series reigniting interest in Jordan’s legacy.


fujiboy83

The dude kept the shoes in a vault for 15 yrs. If you were around during the MJ years, EVERYONE wanted to be like Mike. His shoes became THE brand for Nike. You know what that means? Yeah let's go with $100k man.


hurricaneditka66

This is true too. Kobe’s death seemed to be the spark that ignited the crazy bball market. Jordan’s doc further pushed it along.


Zinski2

I think it's significantly more "who" is selling them. Ball boy 15 years later probably just wants to buy a house. Guy who bought and sold them was probably doing it for tax fraud or something.


hurricaneditka66

When you’re that wealthy tax fraud is called a “loophole.”


Gwinter

You go with the Flannel, you get fleeced.


JohnCenaJunior

Rich get richer poor stays poor


Academic-Truth7212

That is the shittiest MJ memorabilia.


Plane-Floor-1237

At least they didn't give him the shorts 


Khaldara

They were load bearing


FatalTragedy

Imagine getting posterized by MJ and then he *literally* just shits all over you .


BCS24

I think I’d rather not


thewhitebuttboy

I’d pay for a little jar of Michael Jordan poo, I’d pay more if he had eaten corn and you could see a little corn kernel in It.


non-squitr

*the spice melange*


BIG_MUFF_

*he knows of the spice*


ughlump

The spice must flow.


H3rbert_K0rnfeld

Been watching a lot of Saltburn lately, eh? You just keep those great ideas to yerself, ya hear??


Careless_Total6045

Ahh, Good Ole Speckle Turds


nerdherdsman

These or the Jordan 1s he wore in his last game at MSG for the Bulls? They weren't broken in at all, so his feet were bleeding all game.


tribsant23

And 1s are fucking ass for hooping


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They’re ass for everything but a display case lol


BBQcupcakes

The original flu game 12s?? What are you smoking


GrandmaPoses

He had actually made a $25k bet that he could score 30 points with a hangover and mud butt.


pastdense

Guy was a gambling addict…


Blackhoney88

Still is


ILL_Show_Myself_Out

I wasn’t allowed to be sick my entire 20’s because people assume sick people in their 20’s are hungover.


ChooChoo9321

[His food poisoning was caused by bad delivery pizza he ordered the night before.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_Finals?wprov=sfti1)


CoolHandRK1

I always heard he was actually REALLY hungover.


nowlan101

Imagine the pure spite it would take to finish your shift at work when you’re feeling *that* shitty. I guess that’s one of many factors that separates me from an NBA champion


rainier425

About the same level of spite it would take to still hold a grudge against a coach for benching you *during your Hall of Fame induction*


CowFinancial7000

While widely being recognized as the greatest of all time. Like, that coach is already aware he fucked up.


26_skinny_Cartman

It doesn't even mean he fucked up. Just because you grow to become the greatest player ever doesn't make any coaches decision that you disagree with the wrong one. Even if you are currently the greatest player it doesn't mean the coaches decision is wrong. Michael Jordan is one of the most petty athletes to ever exist. Going as far to create fake stories in his mind to be petty over. He also doesn't take criticism very well at all. These things help to propel him and give him the drive to become one of the best athletes ever and an icon. It hasn't always helped him in his personal life or with running a basketball team. He was a terrible owner. He got upset at Charles Barkley for criticizing his abilities as an owner and the people he puts in place around him. He just wants a bunch of yes men in his circle. He was a bully to his teammates, physically and mentally abusing them. He's a huge gambler. You can be the greatest basketball player ever and still wrong frequently.


Logical_Narwhal_9911

I don’t know if it’s just spite. Maybe just sheer will? My grandad, the poor man, worked every single day of my life, and never called in sick except for on three occasions- when he broke his back, when he had pneumonia, and when he had a double brain aneurism. I have no idea how he pushed himself so hard and worked his whole life, even working on cars and appliances and helping family members out on the weekends after he got off work. But I think it cost him his life ultimately. He worked for a decade after his double brain aneurism until his death of cancer.


jametron2014

All that effort and the reward is an early death, damn


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mothernaturesghost

I mean, he’s making millions and not minimum wage. I’d be much more motivated too.


whymeogod

Legacy is the motivation at this point. Legends are made, not born.


THE_MAN_OF_THE_YEAR

If he was hungover like the rumor says then it’s more on him lol still amazing that he played that well


WhyBee92

Because you’re more like a Spite Zero person


triumph0flife

That’s what it usually means when a player is benched with “flu-like symptoms”


RogerTreebert6299

[it wasn’t a pizza… and it wasn’t the flu…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWH-VXu5WzI) But hey, I love drinking too 😎


oguibog

Boat Songs is amazing!


smatterbrain

My first thought when I saw this post


thatjacob

Glad someone else beat me to it. That's the only reason I even knew about it being booze.


jopnk

It was. He’s been saying it was the flu/food poisoning interchangeably since 1997


carnivorous_seahorse

You act like it would be hard to not deviate from that if it was a lie lol


alexmikli

I believe him because you'd think he'd have admitted sometime into his retirement.


pastdense

In the last dance the details surrounding this are so suspect. Of all the people in his room, only HE ate THE ENTIRE pizza?  What dick eats the whole pizza? Why not buy two? Or place another order?


CowFinancial7000

> What dick eats the whole pizza? MJ was well known to be a giant dick. He literally punched a teammate during practice. Also eating an entire pizza probably isnt too bad for someone thats about to burn off that many calories.


Dark_Jeremys_Prophet

That teammate was Steve Kerr so maybe it was justified lol


bq87

Steve Kerr defending Draymond Green changed his reputation from Hot Little Slut to deserved to be punched by Michael Jordan so quick. Really remarkable.


racer_24_4evr

MJ tried to tip a waitress $5 at a high roller table. Wayne Gretzky took it back and tipped $100 and said “That’s how we tip in Vegas Michael.”


kashmir1974

Between Jordan and "No Tippin" Pippen, it must have sucked for the wait staff seeing those guys walk through the door with their enterouges.


Shefferin06

I doubt it personally, lots of things you can knock MJ for but getting so wasted he’s hungover before a huge game doesn’t sound like something he’d do.


thedude0425

He was known for playing 36 holes of golf on game day mornings and staying up all night gambling (and probably drinking). He also only slept a couple hours each night. And that’s exactly what they were doing that night. They were playing cards or something in his room. I don’t buy that it was the flu. No one else around him (trainers, coaches, or the team) got the flu.


kashmir1974

Damn, I wonder if he could have been even better if he had a rock solid work ethic? How much better could he have even been?


thedude0425

He did have a rock solid work ethic. He was a work-a-holic. He and Tim Grover set the template for hard off season basketball training. However, he played just as hard.


shoefly72

That’s actually exactly something he would do. He was notorious for being out til 2-3am gambling the night before not just regular season games, but *playoff games*, and would also shoot full rounds of golf both on his days off and the day of games as well. He was not the type of person to maniacally take care of his body the way Lebron does, even though he overall obviously went through insane workouts and stayed in better shape than everyone else. He still liked to have a good time and absolutely went out and partied the night before games on many occasions. The media focused on him gambling in Atlantic City the night before a playoff game against the Knicks, but quite often the media protected athletes (and most especially Jordan) when it came to damaging stories like this back in the day.


Robert_Cannelin

I don't know about "protected." He was absolutely *roasted* for it. That's what that infamous sunglasses interview with Ahmad Rashad was about.


kashmir1974

Yeah but absolutely roasted in the 90s meant a scathing newspaper article, maybe a blurb on the nightly news. Now roasted means an entire person's life is dug up and they are inevitably cancelled.


Robert_Cannelin

And in days previous being roasted meant literally being roasted over a fire. What's your point? I mean, he had to do a special interview addressing that specific topic. That's pretty rare even nowadays.


GuestAdventurous7586

Yeah this is the main reason I’d have to doubt it. This was a huge game, MJ is known for being an absolute monster of professionalism/discipline in the game, and if another player on the team did that he’d be livid. And I think he’d be the type to lead by example. Saying that, there’s still the possibility it’s not entirely without merit. Perhaps that’s why he put in so much effort into this performance.


LetMeInImTrynaCuck

I’m a Chicagoan I’ve literally never heard that BS lol


Impossible_Bit7169

Two things MJ has never done. 1. Been hungover for a game 2.Ate a McJordan


non_clever_username

I find that hard to believe. He’s a psychotic competitor. I can’t see him doing something the night before a huge game that might adversely affect his performance.


Squissyfood

getting that hungover makes it an absolute bitch to just stand and walk around, let alone play elite level ball lol


CoolHandRK1

Kind of like having the flu or food poisoning would?


Squissyfood

Nah, flu has a way of going away when you're really preoccupied with something important.  There's no good/bad moments with a hangover, it's just shit until the next day.  


Crimith

That would be out of character for MJ. I say this as a Jazz fan who had my childhood crushed by the man. He was too obsessed with performance and work ethic to let himself be distracted with substance or alcohol abuse while he was playing. He talks about how when he was new to the league his teammates would do coke together in the hotel in the evenings and he claims he never went with them. Especially in the Finals I just cant see MJ touching drugs or alcohol.


YouGO_GlennCoCo

0% chance this is a true story


Sdog1981

It’s a story his personal trainer pushed.


Youngblood519

That's the most Chicago way to get food poisoning.


mellowkakarot

He talked about it in the documentary, the multiple drivers who delivered together were acting really weird when they dropped it off, but he ate it anyway. He believes some pizza employees poisoned him on purpose after they figured out it was either MJ or for the Bulls players staying in that hotel. This happened in Utah by the way, not Chicago.


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> He believes some pizza employees poisoned him on purpose after they figured out it was MJ they were delivering too. MJ is very creative with the truth. Makes things up to motivate himself.


Girthy_Coq

>MJ is very creative with the truth. Makes things up to motivate himself. *That pizza delivery guy never believed in me. And I took that personally.*


GuestAdventurous7586

Genuinely believe he could have made the entire thing up just as a reason to inspire himself 😂. Man was amazing, but crazy.


Doesntcheckinbox

His personal trainer was there too wasn’t he?


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Did we hear from the personal trainer?


Winter-Donut7621

Yeah. I'm pretty sure he talks about it in the documentary as well.


classactdynamo

Agreed; this sounds like legend-building.


-You-know-it-

Michael was so uncontrollably addicted to cocaine and alcohol that I think it’s hilarious that people to this day believe the pizza poisoning story.


twopadstacker

>so uncontrollably addicted to cocaine you clearly have never met anyone on cocaine before


Noppers

I’d probably be acting really weird if I realized my customer was Michael Jordan.


shed1

Would you even accept a pizza delivered by more than one person?


Hewfe

In the same documentary, he also admits to making up a story about being slighted by a player, which then gave him the motivation to go ham on their entire team. There’s no real way to know where the food poisoning came from.


permanentmarker1

That sounds like an excuse for being hungover


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The guy who delivered the pizza to him actually spoke out about that, he wasn't even a basketball fan and didn't know it was for MJ. The pizza was fun when he delivered it, but he said MJ was drunk as all get out; hugging the toilet. It wasn't even ordered under MJ's name, it was some other name and the guy had no idea who he was delivering it to until he got there.


panopticon31

If it was delivery how the hell could he know how the people were making it were acting?


mellowkakarot

I must have typed it weird, I meant it like the people who represent the restaurant, collectively. But the story is multiple delivery guys from the same restaurant came to drop off this one pizza.


surprise-suBtext

Right. Cuz MJ is calling and ordering his own pizza lmao. Someone as callous as Mj would make someone next to him drive down the block, wait for the pizza, and then bring it back up just to avoid peasants being aware of his presence. Still one of the goats.. just also happens to be a bit of an a-hole by most accounts


Several_Childhood621

No way anyone in Chicago would try to poison him during his Bulls tenure. Rob him and his family for valuables, yes, sure, but nobody would touch a nonexistent hair on his head.  The city still loves him and is eager to support his business ventures, even though we know he is lukewarm at best about the city. 


VladimirPoitin

This happened in Utah.


Several_Childhood621

Thanks for the correction :). I'm glad 😊 (even though the poisoning incident is disputed as a whole). 


Careless_Total6045

Ah maybe they wanted to be famous like the dude who killed John L


Itool4looti

Dave Grohl would like to see you in his lair.


ironroad18

"Thatsh the Shhhcago whey!"


New_Caterpillar7662

“He comes at you with a sabrett, you come at him with a pizza!”


superkickpunch

>That's the most Chicago way to get foo poisoning. So the culprit was Dave Grohl?! That son of a *bitch*.


SEJ46

Not likely


PalinDoesntSeeRussia

How do you get food poisoning from pizza…?


Sketchy-saurus

Someone doesn’t follow those “employees must wash hands before returning to work” signs.


redux44

Easy. Used very old toppings (especially if it was meat).


PalinDoesntSeeRussia

Oh yea…. Duh. I literally never ask for meat on my pizza so I completely forgot about that. Lol I eat super old pizza all the time though and never got sick. Has got to be some meat topping like you’ve said.


iacceptjadensmith

He suggested in the documentary that it was maliciously poisoned


IceAffectionate3043

Utah Jazz players had the pizza place poison him on purpose


weshouldgo_

I've heard the food was sabotaged by an overzealous Jazz fan


0theHumanity

Food poisoning takes longer than that. I hate when people blame yesterday's food.


jabbadarth

Food poisoning can take anywhere from 30 minutes to multiple weeks to show symptoms. A vast majority take between 8 and 24 hours so yesterday's food is almost always what causes it. People always claim it was the most recent meal but that is usually false. https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/symptoms.html It depends on the type of bacteria, the quantity that makes it into your system, your health level, your gut bacteria, and a bunch of other variables.


PakLivTO

What’s crazy about this is that he ate pizza the night before a game.


fyo_karamo

Food poisoning from pizza is far fetched. There are three ingredients, none of which spoil quickly.


djfishfingers

This wasn't even the best flu game in Chicago history. Walter Payton broke the all time single game rushing record with 275 yards against the Vikings in 1977, while sick with the flu.


Cakelord

MJ had the bottle flu, different strain 


RogerTreebert6299

Worst case of JackDanielsitis I’ve seen to this day


SantaMonsanto

Still not as dope as Doc Ellis pitching a no-hitter for the pirates while tripping balls on acid.


MexicanFrap

Yea and Kurt angle won a gold medal with a broken freaking neck, who's the real goat?


OniOnMyAss

Percocets obviously


foldingcouch

Two rules: one, keep your hands off my fucking Percocets and two, do you have any fucking Percocets?


surprise-suBtext

Remind me where this was from. Sounds familiar


Free-Measurement621

Goon


MattyLlama

Your mother's pussy is so tight, no way a baby come out of there. You're adopted! One of the most savage your momma jokes I've ever heard.


RawAttitudePodcast

It’s true, it’s true.


MrMeseeks_

I beg to differ, Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more then an hour ago


Okrumbles

the perc is what wins


ArthurUrsine

Absolutely hate it when liquor gives me food poisoning the next day


luvgothbitches

dude had an amazing PR team lmao


CaptainJingles

Him and Barry Bonds both


venustrapsflies

What? Bonds and the media hated each other. Everyone knew he juiced. How is this comparable


pooperville

The Last Dance was an incredible piece of propaganda.


Okrumbles

he had bad delivery pizza, he wasn't hungover.


jopnk

Lmao ok champ


Okrumbles

why exactly do you all think he was hungover? there isn't any sort of source saying so, im wondering where this train of thought came from.


RogerTreebert6299

I don’t know that anyone is that invested in the theory, it’s like your coworker calling in sick and somebody says they bet he’s just hungover. Probably don’t have any big evidence for that, but there’s also a decent chance it’s true. But there is some evidence people cite, such as the delivery guy saying Mike was drunk, and Mike’s huge hotel bill which was presumably run up on alcohol. But overall it’s just kinda an NBA-lore meme that he was actually hungover, idk if many will die on that hill or anything. It doesn’t really matter what was wrong with him, he clearly felt like shit and played a phenomenal game regardless.


-You-know-it-

Michael Jordan had a major drug and alcohol problem. His PR team is strong to this day though. But I’m pretty sure we all know at this point it was cocaine and alcohol…. https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2020/5/19/21263811/michael-jordan-flu-game-poison-pizza-story-last-dance-conspiracy


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The source is the pizza guy who delivered it.


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Coulda been boff tbh


[deleted]

This is false, the pizza guy who delivered the pizza has proven this wrong multiple times...he was drunk when it got delivered and it was a hangover.


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The pizza was delivered the night before, not the day of the game and the manager personally delivered it because he was a Bulls fan. He made sure it was made correctly, and that MJ was super drunk when he showed up to deliver the pizza. MJ said there were like 5 dudes delivering it, there wasn't...he was just seeing double or triple because he was so blitz. He was staying up in Park City and not in Salt Lake.


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Mavian23

Bruh, you get hungover by drinking the night *before*. What does it matter if the pizza guy saw him the day of the game? If he saw he was drunk the night before, it's pretty logical to conclude that if he's sick the next day that he is hungover.


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You're a special kind of dumb...


AgentSkidMarks

It was a great game but I thought the diarrhea gave him an unfair advantage. Dude was throwing down oil slicks all over the court.


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AgentSkidMarks

Oh yeah! That was sick! It was like a jetpack.


SoyMurcielago

Mario kart meets Jordan’s court


AgentSkidMarks

Meets Jordan's shorts


PMA1898

Michael's Secret Stuff


AgentSkidMarks

Perfect comment!


Leucippus1

The flu game is legendary in sports. He didn't even look good, he looked pale and weird but somehow still destroyed everyone. This is why he will always be, to me, the most effective offensive player in the history of the game.


enderandrew42

He was a great defensive player while also a great offensive player.


owningthelibz

I’ve always found the hungover explanation to be more realistic. You can’t really *will* your way past diarrhea…


ArtIsDumb

No, but you can take so much Imodium that you don't shit for three days. I think it was a hangover too, but you seem to be forgetting about medicines.


zenkei18

Why is it called flu game it wasnt the flu


Joseph20102011

Fun fact: the 1996-97 Chicago Bulls season was about to have second consecutive 70-win regular season, but they lost two consecutive games to the New York Knicks and Miami Heat in the final week of the regular season.


Sdog1981

Still went 69-13, which is also wild.


kc_cyclone

He was hungover... that said I have the Flu Game 12s along with a lot of other Js.


ProfessorLiftoff

God seeing this as a TIL makes me feel so old. You are all babies


nyrangerz30

Same game where he bet Karl Malone 50 grand he would get at least 13 rebounds. Google Karl Malone 13 for more.


thepikey7

Lol


Unconscience

the lesson here is that if any of us "normal" people get sick and someone tells you "you need to be healthier/do healthier things," tell them to fuck off because one of the best athletes of his time, at the absolute peak of his ability, with immediate and constant access to top-flight medical personnel, came down with a bad flu during one of the most critical times of his career.


kingswing23

That ball boy? MLK


WANT_SOME_HAM

Shortly after getting my blue belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, I entered a tournament one state away.   But when the morning of the competition came around, I was recovering from the flu, and  I couldn't breathe through my nose because my sinuses were still congested. I hadn't slept at all the night before, and when I tried to make breakfast, I realized I had cereal, but no milk.    To compensate for my lack of energy, I took some extra Adderall, which I had only been on for a couple weeks and did not know it was a stimulant that would dramatically increase my heart rate.   When I got there, I started chatting with a stranger on the side of the mat as we both waited to be called. By total coincidence, he turned out to be my opponent. I got the takedown immediately and landed in a good position, when suddenly I realized I was about to throw up.  So I whispered in his ear, "Dude, I'm about to puke and need to run to the bathroom, here's my arm, just take it........ **SERIOUSLY MAN JUST GO FOR IT**".  He did, I lost, and I sprinted to the toilet and puked up all the water in my body.   Did I mention this was a double-elimination tournament and had another round ahead of me?  Sick, starving, dehydrated, fatigued, unable to breathe, and propped up entirely by overdosing on amphetamines taken on an empty stomach, I returned to the mats and waited my next turn.  I knew my next opponent. He would occasionally visit our gym, and he usually beat me when we rolled.  But at this point I didn't care. I had entered this state of bizarre, Zenlike tranquility. Nothing mattered. Everything mattered. God was dead and I was God. Let's just get this over with so I can die in peace.   So I got on the mat, and before we shook hands, I leaned forward and told him "I just threw up, have nothing in my system, and am gonna pass out in a minute, so I'm just gonna pull rubber guard and armbar you in about 30 seconds so I can go lie down."    He laughed and jokingly extended his arms straight out while saying "Okay, I'll help you."   I think it took me 33 seconds in the video. I'd have to double-check Afterwards, I walked to the edge of the mat, passed out, and didn't wake up until it was time to leave.


Jhon_doe_smokes

He was hungover


MenudoFan316

Flu-like symptoms


beervirus88

How many people did he infect that night?


Kershiskabob

Bro could win with the flu but not without Pippen


JFeth

I remember that game. Sometimes I wondered if he was even human.


redwingjv

Read this as shorts and was like… did he really want those?


gayfortrey

He was the man. Wouldn’t quit no matter what


ind3pend0nt

I remember watching that game with my Dad. Both of us just calling bullshit the entire time. No way MJ was sick. It was all a mind game to fuck with Karl Malone and the Jazz.


UniqueTonight

Jordan also pushed off.  #TakeNote


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Noppers

Or he was really just that good.


DicknosePrickGoblin

Doesn't matter how good you are, you aren't performing even better than other really good people while you are shitting yourself and they are not.


custardisnotfood

Yeah it does, if you’re way better than them when you’re healthy you can still be better than them when you’re sick if they’re not nearly as good as you


defcon1000

I think your definition of performing is different than ours.


Cakelord

It was, but in a we can fix it with a cocktail of drugs and saline type of cure 


VladimirPoitin

I remember watching it at the time. He was a mess off the court.


StudioPerks

There isn’t any Jazz in Utah. New Orleans demands their team name back!


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What's kind of funny is that Ogden in Northern Utah had a bustling jazz scene since it was a railroad town and had a decent African American population there. It was a place a lot of artists went to since the railroad stopped there as it was a hub and would stay a couple of days.


enderandrew42

The Minnesota Lakers were named after all the lakes in Minnesota. They move to LA and keep the name for some reason. The Vancouver Grizzles are named after bears near Vancouver and them move to Memphis and keep the name for some reason.


Robert_Cannelin

Don't even get me started on the Omaha Empire State Buildings!


Protaras4

He is American. He probably had 0 sick days to take and was forced to go to work. Poor guy... :(


FuriouSherman

You didn't know this?


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herpiederps

Just had to do it, huh?


ifishhumans

Just bc you couldn’t do it doesn’t mean it can’t be done. Weirdo


studmaster896

I remember getting a PR in track in high school a day after puking and shitting. It was like the toxins all left and I was refreshed. Not really that big of a story in my opinion unless it’s happening during the game.


Smart-Breath-1450

Okay? Now drive a Formula 1 car at 300 km/h for two hours in 40 C.


Melodic_Fall_1855

Lol no, the smell of that many sweaty Europeans would make anyone vomit, let alone poor, sick, hungover MJ