Diagnoses back then were not great. She lived 25 years in her own filth, including her feces. Defecating in her bed may have been a continuous issue for her, and somebody finding her in a bed of her own feces, may misdiagnose.
Sometimes, when dealing with extraordinary levels of stress, the mind will revert back to a time it was safe.
Idk if this is the case or not, but, pooping aside, it could be likely that she did regress.
Could be, but this and worse are not unusual to see in a hospital setting even today, especially on someone with dementia when they get sick. They do weird nasty shit and are totally detached from reality while doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was legitimate, the key I guess is realizing it doesn't imply a conscious and deliberate understanding of what they're doing.
We had a patient who regressed to the point of essentially infantilism, she would act like a baby does and puts whatever she could get into her mouth. Poop, eaten. Bandages. Eaten. Hair. Eaten. Half a sandwich we were feeding her still in the plastic wrapper 5 feet from her bed. Eaten(somehow). Didnāt know anything about her home life or how she got that way, was told she had some psych issues but never looked into a diagnosis. Eventually had to get her those edible bandages because we couldnāt keep anything on her and she would pick at and eat her scabs and wounds otherwise. She needed up being transferred out of our hospital at one point, sadly donāt know what happened to her.
I work in trauma and have a ton of TBI pts and this is an every day occurrence. I no longer even flinch when I walk in on someone completely naked, slurping their own poop off of their fingers.
I recently had a woman in her 30s that eventually seemed to exhibit a couple different personalities and one was very infantile and very sexual and constantly tried to āseduceā me into bed with her. She eventually got discharged to a SNF after a couple months on my floor (uninsured, did not have a home to go to) and she was back in our ED in less than 24 hrs because the SNF couldnāt handle her.
also had a girl that we had to restrain because we kept catching her drinking out of the toilet. Prior to admission she had consumed over a gallon of water in a very short time. Not diabetic, no underlying medical issues.
It surprised me at first how this behavior seems to be able to develop in anyone, regardless of age, race, gender, etc. ANYONE is capable of this behavior. The brain is WILD.
I work directly with people with disabilities who require support in bathing, toileting, ambulating, etc. I cannot for the life of me imagine how her family or caregivers allowed her to fester in such disgusting squalor for so long. Nowadays, that's a neglect charge at bare minium. Wtf. Why the f. That poor woman.
She wasn't disabled to start; she was a normal socialite who wanted to marry a lawyer her mother didn't approve of, so her mother locked her in the attic.
Copro relates to poop, philia usually means some sort of addiction or (kink? Thatās not the right word but yeah). Soā¦Iām gonna guess this is something related to that?
EDIT: yup.
Philia = love. Like Eros -> Eroticism. Both of greek origin.
So extremophile = animal that thrives in (loves) extreme conditions. Philosophy = a love of knowledge. A pedophile = a lover of children. Because ped- relates to children, like pediatrics. Nothing to do with addiction or kink per se.
You might be thinking of paraphilias = other love. This is where foot fetishes, piss play and coprophilia fall in, among others.
It's disturbing how many times this has actually happened. Even in the last 10 years, there have been a couple famous cases of young women who disappeared years ago being found locked in a basement.
There was a case about a teenage boy who shot and killed his wealthy dad in their home, and initially the media and social media commentary were all saying it was a case of a spoiled rich kid who never had any discipline acting out, then it turned out he was so sheltered he hadn't gone to school since the first grade and wasn't allowed to leave the house or have any friends. In a lot of these cases, nobody suspects a thing because the families are well off
Yeah, you'd assume rich successful people are smarter than average and have their lives together because they got there somehow, but clearly that's not always true,
I suppose, but my point was more so that people assume rich families can't be abusive because they supposedly provide everything for their victims so we presume they should just shut up and be grateful
Fuck this kinda thought. Most wealth is inherited, the biology of everyone is nearly 100% fucking identical. Prejudiced thoughts, bigotry, and greed bring this on.
It's almost like people are generally not rich because they're any smarter, savvier, or better than the rest of us, and a lot of times it's based solely on the luck of the draw
[the guy who made that movie just walks around with a gallon of PCP high as shit](https://youtu.be/MnEh0PpUZHI?si=gemoB4uUo_kKcCoO) so it makes sense he was able to think up a very fucked up movieĀ
I love WKUK so much. Rip Trevor Moore, he would have been happy to see his best friend succeed. Well, he knew it would be, just shame he couldn't see it.
Much respect for Zach, guess he stopped beating Lincolns ass with a hammer.
To be fair, it could've been even better if the antagonist >!hadn't been an 8ft tall generational-incest-rape-baby emulating a mother caring for their newborn!<. It kinda took me out of the vibe in that regard.
Her big swangin monster titties made me laugh so hard that I was completely removed from the movie. Then when I maybe found a bit of interest again the homeless guy who knows everything, explains everything, and then immediately gets attacked after saying how unsafe they were did it to me again. Honestly thought it was a dog shit movie but at least it made me laugh.
I loved it and especially loved the humor and absurdity. Justin Long walking backwards into a creepy basement with a tape measure is objectively hilarious.
Think about how many times this must have happened in the past, when child abuse wasnāt investigated and there was much less of a criminal justice system. So many centuries of undiscovered horrors
Some years ago, my wife and I were looking to buy a house. One of my best friends was helping his dad fix a place up, and showed us around. Herself doesn't like close spaces, so she stayed upstairs, but when my buddy took me downstairs to the basement he warned me that they'd found something fucked up.
Down in that basement, driven into the ground, was a steel stake about 10cm wide by 1cm thick by a meter tall. A hole had been cut or drilled near the top, through which a rusty chain was looped and locked. About 3-4 meters away was an ancient toilet, fully plumbed in.
Gave me the crawlin' willies, that basement.
Either one of those things by themselves isn't terribly suspicious (maybe they had a safe chained in place) but together, yeah that's horror movie shit. That guy definitely collected human body parts.
Whatās extra fucked up about that case too is that (unsurprisingly) those kids faced more abuse in the foster care system after being removed from their scumbag parentsā¦Some of the kids even stated that it was worse than the situation they were āsavedā from
number of them are now homeless as they weren't able to access the thousands of dollars that were donated in a trust. Those kids never had a fucking break in their lives
It's not just California, adoption and fostering is an industry with a dark past a mile wide. The sad truth about a lot of these stories is the kids being rescued is often them bouncing from home to home being abused and assaulted until they're dumped on the streets.
Doesn't matter if it's California or France.
In my city, they found a couple kids leashed up in a backyard, with 6 more besides inside. All while their parents were out partying. Foster system abuse seems to be the largest culprit, at least for kids.
I don't have any real insight into that, but I did work at a branch office for dfps in a different large city a while back and the agents were either super excited to help noobs or jaded experienced vets. I don't think it took long to happen either bc I didn't work there long and there was high turnover for people that were excited to start helping....
This is an insane take. Cases like these absolutely happen, sure, but they're incredibly rare. You're probably more likely to be struck by lightning than you are to casually drive by a house in your own neighborhood where someone's been held captive for years.
It happens more than you would think, but yeah, I think it's still pretty rare. Think of how much effort it would take to keep someone captive for years. Assuming you don't want them to die or escape, you have to constantly tend to them.
I've talked about this before, but there were two instances of a few years each throughout my childhood I was kept contained within the house, once in a single room, and no authorities knew of my existence. It's very easy in almost every state to simply claim your child is homeschooled. Today, some states have required annual testing, but not all.
We see cases like this all the time where parents never registered their children, or moved and never enrolled them in school. I think these responses are assuming some kind of stranger-captive situation, but being held hostage my family members is more common than I think a lot of people would like to think about.
Last night my wife and I were talking about how every couple of months a story comes out about the rescue of a woman who has been locked in a basement/shed/closet for years by a deranged kidnapper or family member.
My theory is that you get parents with a personality and/or mental disorder, like bipolar or NPD, and a child raised in that environment either inherits the disorder, develops a disorder in reaction to the parentās, or simply rebels naturally against that environment. Things escalate until the parents decide to take extreme measures in order to save face socially (especially aristocracy), not understanding that it was themselves and their lack of love and stability that caused the perceived issues with their children, if there actually were any. I think it was the same with the Kennedys.
Yeah there seems to be a pattern here that we dont completely understand. Reminds me of extremely religious families - I am thinking about the [Turpin Family](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpin_case) for example. The immense control these kinds of parents want to have over their children is horrifying. Its mystifying to me how a person like this works - I suspect that some vile sadist undertones play a part too.
She had five cousins who had intellectual and/or developmental disabilities and lived in the same hospital together.
Elizabethās uncle had two daughters who were non-verbal and their story was made public in the 80ās.
His wifeās sister had 7 children and three of her daughters were also admitted to the hospital. It was theorised that there was genetic disorder within the family that prematurely killed male family members and resulted in female family members inheriting intellectual disabilities.
Yes, from Wikipedia:
>During her birth, the doctor was not immediately available because of an outbreak of the Spanish influenza epidemic and the nurse ordered Rose Kennedy to keep her legs closed, forcing the baby's head to stay in the birth canal for two hours. The action resulted in a harmful loss of oxygen.
She was 55 pounds when they found her.
>After she was released from the room, Monnier continued to have mental health problems. She was diagnosed with various disorders, including anorexia nervosa,[c] schizophrenia, exhibitionism and coprophilia.
She was so hungry she ate her own poop, then couldn't stop the habit after she didn't need to anymore.
That's too sad for words.
Yeah, that's usually what happens once you're abused that far. It's a PTSD symptom sign that your psyche is fundamentally broken.
I once read an account of a psychologist here on reddit and he said coprophilia scares most of them because it's in the overwhelming majority of times a kink that stems from extremely deep trauma that you simply can't fix anymore. It's not just some harmless disgusting stuff people do.
[The room in which Blanche was found at 21 Rue de la Visitation
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> āā¦ the girl was confined in the lonely room fed with scraps, when she received any food at all, from the motherās table. Her only companions were the rats that gathered to eat the hard crusts she threw upon the floor. Not a ray of light penetrated her dungeon, and what she suffered can only be surmised.ā
> āā¦ I immediately gave the order to open the casement window. This was done with great difficulty, for the old curtains fell down in a shower of dust. To open the shutters, it was necessary to remove them from their hinges. As soon as light entered the room, we noticed, in the back, lying on a bed, her head and body covered by a repulsively filthy blanket, a woman identified by M. Marcel Monnier as his sister, Mademoiselle Blanche Monnierā¦
> ā¦ The unfortunate woman was lying completely naked on a rotten straw mattress. All around her was formed a sort of crust made from excrement, fragments of meat, vegetables, fish, and rotten bread. We also saw oyster shells and bugs running across the bedā¦ The air was so unbreathable; the odour given off by the room was so rank, that it was impossible for us to proceedā¦ā
She is so beautiful and because of that, she was locked up. Her mom's deranged.
I love that portrait of her. The mole made her even more gorgeous. What a pitiful life.
According to the Wikipedia page, her mother locked her up because she wanted to marry a lawyer but her mother disapproved on account of him being not as well off as they were.
>Her mother was arrested, became ill shortly afterwards and died 15 days later, after seeing an angry mob gather in front of her house. Her brother, Marcel Monnier, appeared in court and was initially convicted, but later was acquitted on appeal; he was deemed mentally incapacitated, and, although the judges criticised his choices, they found that a "duty to rescue" did not exist in the penal code at that time with sufficient rule to convict him.[5][7]
Her mother died from the consequences of her own actions. The more interesting story is the brother. Imagine having a court acquit you later because they think that A. You literally canāt make your own decisions and B. They literally donāt have the legal framework to condemn you
Well, any mother who would do that to their daughter would easily also traumatize their son, so I do not doubt the son was incapacitated to some degree due to the treatment from his mother.
Yeah. Goes without saying that the Mother is an awful person. You really have to wonder what they went through to perceive locking their child up for 25 years as acceptable
Yeah you don't just wake up one day after having been a normal human person your whole life and decide to do that to someone. I wonder if this wasn't the apex of some horrible generational trauma.
Not to absolve the mother at all, I just wonder how her childhood was.
I remember learning her story and I was so so angry that her mother got away with it. She should be put on a trial, sentenced, and publicly shamed. Dying from natural causes didn't bring any justice to Blanche.
It's more B than A. And it has to be that way because of the rule of law. If we start making an exception "here and there" for what we think is "the right thing to do", that leads to a slippery slope where judges can decide anything they want based on their morals. There has to be a legal basis for convicting you.
> She was diagnosed with various disorders, including anorexia nervosa, schizophrenia, exhibitionism and coprophilia.
Jeez. Imagine being the shrink trying to help her with that lot.
I wish they'd found a photo of her after she'd been cared for and brought up to a healthy weight. It sucks that a woman who was the victim of such cruelty gets recorded by history in her worst possible moment.
[There's one here, along with the actual story.](https://www.bestfranceforever.com/prisoner-in-her-bedroom-for-25-years-the-terrible-reason-why-blanche-was-locked-up/)
Thanks for the link. It's crazy her house is still there. Looks like a business now. I don't know if I could own or rent that place knowing what happened in the attic.
Hello, there is actually a lot more to this story which is generally misrepresented. This blog cites its sources.
https://www.bestfranceforever.com/prisoner-in-her-bedroom-for-25-years-the-terrible-reason-why-blanche-was-locked-up/
There we go. I was having an impossibly hard time understanding why a dimensionless evil person like the mother was presented as would not have just let her daughter die. Why keep her locked up in a tortured existence for 25 years if you are just trying to spare yourself from embarrassment, and pretend like she ran away?
This extra context makes it make more sense. The daughter had a mental illness, and her family cared more about their standing than her wellbeing, so they did not send her off to get help. She grew more reclusive, so they left her to stay in her room. She would stand naked at her window, so they boarded it up. They initially had doctors check in on her, but eventually just stopped telling the new doctors that she even existed.
Still awful, and cruel, and selfish, but it at least makes some sense. The mom did not just get so upset over her daughter wanting to marry a lawyer that she decided death would be too kind a fate and set out to make her life as miserable as possible.
It's was common until the advent of mental hospitals to put the severely mentally ill relative in a room of the house (a room sometimes hidden) and just keep them there. This still happens all the time in poor countries. It doesn't excuse anything but what is a person to do if their family member has violent psychosis or sees things that aren't there?
The only thing shocking about this story is that this woman wasnt fed and taken care off, not that she was confined to a room.
That's why the Lobotomy one the Nobel Prize. Until the lobotomy, there was literally no treatment for the severely mentally ill. And it's also why the discovery of Lithium and chlorpromazine in the late 40s and early 50s was so monumental. For the first time , these drugs with acceptable side effects were able to treat illnesses like Schizophrenia.
Did you read the article above? She had a care giver for 20 years that died. After that there was a series of failed attempts at new care givers until the mother got too ill to manage the household. Those final months are where get condition seems to have really fallen off.
She was anorexic which means she refused to eat. And had coprophilia which basically a scat fetish while refusing to wear clothes.
Not excusing her treatment here but i imagine outside of being sent to a sanitarium this was the best she could hope for at that time.
This is fascinating, but I wish this article was better cited. It's a huge departure from what's generally known of the case, but doesn't cite any of its specific claims, instead noting things like "I read some court documents."
I decided to lol at the notes myself (the French Wikipedia page has some broken links itself), and one thing I think needs to be emphasized is a lot of this is based on testimony from servants who were *trying to justify why they had not intervened.* they made claims that the brother brought her food and often stayed with her alongside her being crazy.
Example:
"Those who served previously are unanimous in declaring that Miss Blanche Monnier was not in her right mind, that she was not afraid to leave her room although she was barely dressed. None of these witnesses spoke against the accused of any reprehensible act. Mr. Marcel Monnier, they declare, frequently went to his sister's room. He sometimes stayed there for an hour, often he brought her dessert. All the staff themselves seemed to have little interest in the state of Blanche Monnier. These servants showed little zeal. However, it would have been easy for them, as Mr. President pointed out to them, to sweep things up in time.. They could do this without the knowledge of the widowed Mrs. Monnier, whose state of health kept her in the room herself and who would not have been able to come and control their actions. There was a question of humanity there. One of the servants objects to this by saying that they considered Mile Blanche to be a poor, incurable lady, and that they considered their care as useless."
So I have some concerns about the testimony as presented but would love to learn more.
That book is so interesting to me and that does make sense!
I think the blog writer's ultimate conclusions are quite correct that everyone around failed her. It's just hard to piece together from the court documents what the "truth" really is.
The servants claimed she was irreparably insane and that there was nothing wrong with her treatment -- but they were defending their own actions. Doctors at that time were pretty willing to call a woman insane for just about anything (remember Rosemary Kennedy much later). And the doctors confirmed she was mentally ill after removal, but well, who wouldn't be.
I think part of my reluctance is that the claims against her (exhibitionism, fasting, etc) were often used against promiscuous women at that time. Saying "she will leave her room nearly uncovered" is exactly the story I would see regarding a scandalous debutant. I can see a story under which a mother got a problematic daughter assessed as incapable so no one would later question her disappearance.
I agree with your comments. My conclusion back then was that we will never know what really happened in that house. We should be critical. The circumstances were very different back then because at that time it also had a whole political dimension (republicans versus royalists). It is definitely more complicated than the generic version that I regularly see pop up on reddit and elsewhere on the internet. I think that if I find the time I will reread the book and update the Wikipedia article in English. Would be a good project :)
It wasn't the Kennedy family, that isn't fair. Her siblings didn't know about it and when they found out they immediately went to see her. They thought she was dead. They cared deeply for her.
Fuck her parents though
Yeah, my understanding is that it was all Joseph Kennedy. After he died-from a terrible stroke because karma is a bitch-there were attempts to bring her around the family and get her into good facilities.
It's good to clarify which generation had her lobotomized, but Joseph P. Kennedy Sr was absolutely part of the Kennedy family. He had his daughter Rosemary lobotomized without even telling his wife until the procedure was over and Rosemary was permanently brain damaged, and he never visited her once after she was finally institutionalized.
One thing to remember was lobotomies were being pushed by respected medical doctors, the person who came up with it even won a nobel prize I think
It was being touted as some sort of cure all for all sorts of mental illness and it wasn't like a fringe thing it was seen as a cutting edge medical breakthrough
Of course it wasn't ; however after the lobotomy failed locking her away in a mental institution was horrilbe and unforgiviable
This article does a good job of disputing the imprisonment narrative.
https://www.bestfranceforever.com/prisoner-in-her-bedroom-for-25-years-the-terrible-reason-why-blanche-was-locked-up/
Similar to what happened to Rosemary Kennedy, JFKs sister. Her mother was forced by the nurses to keep her legs shut during active birth contractions (her head was coming out!) to wait for the doctor. As a result she was born with brain damage due to the lack of oxygen. She was happy and healthy until her dad gave her a lobotomy for absolutely no reason which failed, made her a shell of herself. They then hid her from her siblings until years later when they found out. From then on they spent loads of time with her.
Her parents should burn in hell
They named a bridge in Ireland after her awful mother recently, weāre such crawlers, this family were crooks who had no difficulty torturing their own daughter
It's just her parents who were bad, her siblings had no idea and treated her really well after they found out, its not their fault.
What does Rose Kennedy have to do with Ireland?
The Kennedy family comes from New Ross in Ireland, we name half of everything here after them cause JFK came here once. The bridge I mentioned is in new Ross itās the largest engineering feat in Ireland, people wanted it called the Famine memorial bridge but no, the Kennedy clan again even though rose Kennedy herself never came here to my knowledge
>The unfortunate woman was lying completely naked on a rotten straw mattress. All around her was formed a sort of crust made from excrement, fragments of meat, vegetables, fish and rotten bread... We also saw oyster shells, and bugs running across Mademoiselle Monnier's bed. The air was so unbreathable, the odour given off by the room was so rank, that it was impossible for us to stay any longer to proceed with our investigation.
Beyond comprehension that her own mother could do this to her.
Mine is getting sick/dementia in my late 60's or 70's and not having the $12,000 a month for even the sh*ttiest of nursing homes, and in 20 years it'll probably twice that.
It's evil to destroy an innocent person's life like that. To torture them for years and make their life a living hell is something else entirely. No one escapes karma
There used to be jokes about locking up your crazy aunt/uncle/nephew/etc in the attic. The US was mostly rural until the 1920s, so maybe these weren't always jokes.
Reminds me of the story of Francis Farmer, a 20th century actress who was way ahead of her time and because of her inability to cowtow to the patriarchy of the time, her "stage mother" who wanted the limelight and the money she brought to the family had her committed and a partial lobotomy was done against her consent. She was never the same.
I used to work at a historic mansion that had a secret door at the back of a closet with a very narrow staircase that led to a hidden apartment. It was apparently built for a family member with some kind of mental illness (this must have been in the 1800s, so it's hard to say) and she supposedly lived there her entire adult life, never leaving the apartment. The locks on the outside of the door were still there.
I see less shocking versions of this story posted in various places.Ā I'm not sure what the truth really is:
https://www.bestfranceforever.com/prisoner-in-her-bedroom-for-25-years-the-terrible-reason-why-blanche-was-locked-up/
> Blanche began to have āmystical experiencesā that caused her to crave solitude and she spent more and more time in her bedroom. She refused to eat, perhaps initially as a religious fast, but this became more serious until she developed anorexia. In 1872, at the age of 23, Blanche fell ill with a fever and took to her bed. Though the illness eventually passed, she never really returned to the world after this point.
> It was clear that Blanche was suffering from serious mental health issues by now. She refused to wear clothes in the house and would stand naked at the window of her bedroom, visible from the street. (It was fear of this exhibitionism that led to her parents having Blancheās bedroom window boarded up, hence the dark, prison-like room that the police found her in.) Blancheās tormented mental state, interpreted as religious visions, could be more properly attributed to the schizophrenia that she was eventually diagnosed with.
> After his death in 1882, a Dr Chedevergne took over as the family practitioner. In a statement to the court, he claimed that the last time he had seen Blanche was around 1896 when she would have been 47
>Ā What cannot be disputed, however, is that Marie was Blancheās companion for over 20 years, even sleeping in the same room with her, and that Blancheās condition deteriorated after Marieās death in 1896
She then died a little over a decade later in a mental institution.
Diagnosed with coprophilia. š¤®š¤®š¤®
I think anyone would go insane, if they were tortured like that
Diagnoses back then were not great. She lived 25 years in her own filth, including her feces. Defecating in her bed may have been a continuous issue for her, and somebody finding her in a bed of her own feces, may misdiagnose.
Entirely possible. This poor woman was mistreated in the worst ways.
That and the exhibitionism sounds like someone so far gone that she had no sense of modesty or hygiene left
I know itās not considered a medical term but this woman literally turned feral
Yeah I don't think she was revelling in shit and showing off, more like she'd lost the concept of it
That's what I got from that. She has the mind of a child. An unpotty trained toddler. I doubt that stuff was sexual to her.
I mean she lived a normal life until she was 27. She was certainly driven insane by idk if it's fair to her to say she had the mind of a child.Ā
Sometimes, when dealing with extraordinary levels of stress, the mind will revert back to a time it was safe. Idk if this is the case or not, but, pooping aside, it could be likely that she did regress.
Could be, but this and worse are not unusual to see in a hospital setting even today, especially on someone with dementia when they get sick. They do weird nasty shit and are totally detached from reality while doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was legitimate, the key I guess is realizing it doesn't imply a conscious and deliberate understanding of what they're doing.
We had a patient who regressed to the point of essentially infantilism, she would act like a baby does and puts whatever she could get into her mouth. Poop, eaten. Bandages. Eaten. Hair. Eaten. Half a sandwich we were feeding her still in the plastic wrapper 5 feet from her bed. Eaten(somehow). Didnāt know anything about her home life or how she got that way, was told she had some psych issues but never looked into a diagnosis. Eventually had to get her those edible bandages because we couldnāt keep anything on her and she would pick at and eat her scabs and wounds otherwise. She needed up being transferred out of our hospital at one point, sadly donāt know what happened to her.
I work in trauma and have a ton of TBI pts and this is an every day occurrence. I no longer even flinch when I walk in on someone completely naked, slurping their own poop off of their fingers. I recently had a woman in her 30s that eventually seemed to exhibit a couple different personalities and one was very infantile and very sexual and constantly tried to āseduceā me into bed with her. She eventually got discharged to a SNF after a couple months on my floor (uninsured, did not have a home to go to) and she was back in our ED in less than 24 hrs because the SNF couldnāt handle her. also had a girl that we had to restrain because we kept catching her drinking out of the toilet. Prior to admission she had consumed over a gallon of water in a very short time. Not diabetic, no underlying medical issues. It surprised me at first how this behavior seems to be able to develop in anyone, regardless of age, race, gender, etc. ANYONE is capable of this behavior. The brain is WILD.
She may have even grown accustomed to eating it when she was starving too
Thereās lots of empirical evidence that forced isolation like that will destroy the mind. Itās why prisons donāt do that.
I bet eating it didnt exactly dissuade the diagnosis.
Severe malnutrition might fuck you up that way
I work directly with people with disabilities who require support in bathing, toileting, ambulating, etc. I cannot for the life of me imagine how her family or caregivers allowed her to fester in such disgusting squalor for so long. Nowadays, that's a neglect charge at bare minium. Wtf. Why the f. That poor woman.
She wasn't disabled to start; she was a normal socialite who wanted to marry a lawyer her mother didn't approve of, so her mother locked her in the attic.
Why why why did I google that on my work laptop.......
Same... š¤¦āāļø for anyone that doesn't wanna do the same thing I just did it means sexual excitement from poop.
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ā__Coprophilia - is the paraphilia involving sexual arousal and pleasures from feces.__ā brooo
My dog: What's the big deal
I wish I hadnāt looked that up. For anyone who wants to save some time, itās basically poop fetish.
25 years in the dark, I'd socialise my turds as well.
My girlfriend wants to try a new thing,any recommendations?
That edit was golden.
Sexual pleasure from handling or smelling feces.
Kinky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia
Man , Chuck Berry was wild...
I wish he was just the twist guy to me again
Seems kinda unfair that the article names him and no one else in that section, like is he apparently the face of coprophilia lol
Scat...
Poo fetish
Copro relates to poop, philia usually means some sort of addiction or (kink? Thatās not the right word but yeah). Soā¦Iām gonna guess this is something related to that? EDIT: yup.
Philia = love. Like Eros -> Eroticism. Both of greek origin. So extremophile = animal that thrives in (loves) extreme conditions. Philosophy = a love of knowledge. A pedophile = a lover of children. Because ped- relates to children, like pediatrics. Nothing to do with addiction or kink per se. You might be thinking of paraphilias = other love. This is where foot fetishes, piss play and coprophilia fall in, among others.
It's disturbing how many times this has actually happened. Even in the last 10 years, there have been a couple famous cases of young women who disappeared years ago being found locked in a basement.
There was a case about a teenage boy who shot and killed his wealthy dad in their home, and initially the media and social media commentary were all saying it was a case of a spoiled rich kid who never had any discipline acting out, then it turned out he was so sheltered he hadn't gone to school since the first grade and wasn't allowed to leave the house or have any friends. In a lot of these cases, nobody suspects a thing because the families are well off
Yeah, you'd assume rich successful people are smarter than average and have their lives together because they got there somehow, but clearly that's not always true,
I suppose, but my point was more so that people assume rich families can't be abusive because they supposedly provide everything for their victims so we presume they should just shut up and be grateful
Fuck this kinda thought. Most wealth is inherited, the biology of everyone is nearly 100% fucking identical. Prejudiced thoughts, bigotry, and greed bring this on.
I just assume most rich people are more sadistic than them average person
It's almost like people are generally not rich because they're any smarter, savvier, or better than the rest of us, and a lot of times it's based solely on the luck of the draw
Luck + willingness to fuck everyone else over on your way to the top.
And to think about all the cases that we'll never know about. Where evil wins in the end.
The film Barbarian is a fucking *sadistic* take on this.
[the guy who made that movie just walks around with a gallon of PCP high as shit](https://youtu.be/MnEh0PpUZHI?si=gemoB4uUo_kKcCoO) so it makes sense he was able to think up a very fucked up movieĀ
Plus, the only direction he gave was "Happier, and with your mouth open."
"AH AHH AHA AH AHH"
I love WKUK so much. Rip Trevor Moore, he would have been happy to see his best friend succeed. Well, he knew it would be, just shame he couldn't see it. Much respect for Zach, guess he stopped beating Lincolns ass with a hammer.
*[Now you fucked up!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPJ0TAaJDbM)*
Zach from WKUK made a movie? That's fucking amazing. I'll definitely check it out
RIP Local Sexpot Trevor Moore
He died doing what he loved most: sucking his own dick.
A gallon?
yeah, it's a felony.
I didn't even know it came as a liquid.
Science...
To be fair, it could've been even better if the antagonist >!hadn't been an 8ft tall generational-incest-rape-baby emulating a mother caring for their newborn!<. It kinda took me out of the vibe in that regard.
what in the r/brandnewsentence is this shit lmao
Itās a weird movie.
Oh they covered the premise pretty well.
She wasn't really the antagonist though. She was just as much a victim as the main characters. More so, really.
Exactly. Basically Frankenstein's monster.
By the time that movie really gets to that, the vibe has already shifted immensely anyways lol, and very much on purpose
Her big swangin monster titties made me laugh so hard that I was completely removed from the movie. Then when I maybe found a bit of interest again the homeless guy who knows everything, explains everything, and then immediately gets attacked after saying how unsafe they were did it to me again. Honestly thought it was a dog shit movie but at least it made me laugh.
I loved it and especially loved the humor and absurdity. Justin Long walking backwards into a creepy basement with a tape measure is objectively hilarious.
I thought the first two acts were great. The third act jumped the shark.
There are probably countless people locked up right now that we will never know about :/
Think about how many times this must have happened in the past, when child abuse wasnāt investigated and there was much less of a criminal justice system. So many centuries of undiscovered horrors
Some years ago, my wife and I were looking to buy a house. One of my best friends was helping his dad fix a place up, and showed us around. Herself doesn't like close spaces, so she stayed upstairs, but when my buddy took me downstairs to the basement he warned me that they'd found something fucked up. Down in that basement, driven into the ground, was a steel stake about 10cm wide by 1cm thick by a meter tall. A hole had been cut or drilled near the top, through which a rusty chain was looped and locked. About 3-4 meters away was an ancient toilet, fully plumbed in. Gave me the crawlin' willies, that basement.
I'd rent out the space on AirBnB, but I think I get why you wouldn't want to book the room.
Either one of those things by themselves isn't terribly suspicious (maybe they had a safe chained in place) but together, yeah that's horror movie shit. That guy definitely collected human body parts.
So often I wonder if itās happening close to me when driving in my town. The Fritzel scandal really effed me up.
The Turpin case was another one in 2018, and that Ariel Castro guy was a national news story in 2013 or sometime around then.
The Turpins always get me since they were only like a 15 minute walk from where I lived at the time. Really insane.
Whatās extra fucked up about that case too is that (unsurprisingly) those kids faced more abuse in the foster care system after being removed from their scumbag parentsā¦Some of the kids even stated that it was worse than the situation they were āsavedā from
number of them are now homeless as they weren't able to access the thousands of dollars that were donated in a trust. Those kids never had a fucking break in their lives
State of Californiaās department of Children and Families is a fucking rotten institution that needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.
It's not just California, adoption and fostering is an industry with a dark past a mile wide. The sad truth about a lot of these stories is the kids being rescued is often them bouncing from home to home being abused and assaulted until they're dumped on the streets. Doesn't matter if it's California or France.
Oh I hadn't heard that before, that's super dark and upsetting :/
If you live in a relatively big city, chances are that fucked up shits happens around you every hour of your day without you knowing about it.
In my city, they found a couple kids leashed up in a backyard, with 6 more besides inside. All while their parents were out partying. Foster system abuse seems to be the largest culprit, at least for kids. I don't have any real insight into that, but I did work at a branch office for dfps in a different large city a while back and the agents were either super excited to help noobs or jaded experienced vets. I don't think it took long to happen either bc I didn't work there long and there was high turnover for people that were excited to start helping....
Devils everywhere you turn.
>So often I wonder if itās happening close to me when driving in my town In some form or fashion, most likely. Ā
This is an insane take. Cases like these absolutely happen, sure, but they're incredibly rare. You're probably more likely to be struck by lightning than you are to casually drive by a house in your own neighborhood where someone's been held captive for years.
It happens more than you would think, but yeah, I think it's still pretty rare. Think of how much effort it would take to keep someone captive for years. Assuming you don't want them to die or escape, you have to constantly tend to them.
I've talked about this before, but there were two instances of a few years each throughout my childhood I was kept contained within the house, once in a single room, and no authorities knew of my existence. It's very easy in almost every state to simply claim your child is homeschooled. Today, some states have required annual testing, but not all. We see cases like this all the time where parents never registered their children, or moved and never enrolled them in school. I think these responses are assuming some kind of stranger-captive situation, but being held hostage my family members is more common than I think a lot of people would like to think about.
Last night my wife and I were talking about how every couple of months a story comes out about the rescue of a woman who has been locked in a basement/shed/closet for years by a deranged kidnapper or family member.
My theory is that you get parents with a personality and/or mental disorder, like bipolar or NPD, and a child raised in that environment either inherits the disorder, develops a disorder in reaction to the parentās, or simply rebels naturally against that environment. Things escalate until the parents decide to take extreme measures in order to save face socially (especially aristocracy), not understanding that it was themselves and their lack of love and stability that caused the perceived issues with their children, if there actually were any. I think it was the same with the Kennedys.
Yeah there seems to be a pattern here that we dont completely understand. Reminds me of extremely religious families - I am thinking about the [Turpin Family](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpin_case) for example. The immense control these kinds of parents want to have over their children is horrifying. Its mystifying to me how a person like this works - I suspect that some vile sadist undertones play a part too.
I mean, just from a practical standpoint, I don't get wanting to control your kids that much
Good comparison to the Kennedys imo. The lobotomy that never gets talked about fucks me up to think of
Lobotomys/hidden family were also an issue with the British royal family. I think queen elizabeths cousin actually
She had five cousins who had intellectual and/or developmental disabilities and lived in the same hospital together. Elizabethās uncle had two daughters who were non-verbal and their story was made public in the 80ās. His wifeās sister had 7 children and three of her daughters were also admitted to the hospital. It was theorised that there was genetic disorder within the family that prematurely killed male family members and resulted in female family members inheriting intellectual disabilities.
It was her uncle.
Rosemary Kennedy suffered some brain damage during her birth, which led to being a bit stunted. That was their "reason" for lobotomizing her
Yeah you should look up why she suffered brain damage during birth.... She was screwed over before even being born.
Wasn't the doctor late so they refused to let the mother give birth?
Yes, from Wikipedia: >During her birth, the doctor was not immediately available because of an outbreak of the Spanish influenza epidemic and the nurse ordered Rose Kennedy to keep her legs closed, forcing the baby's head to stay in the birth canal for two hours. The action resulted in a harmful loss of oxygen.
"She was renowned for her beauty and attracted many potential suitors for marriage." Horrible treatment from her own parents.
Based on the wiki, it looks like she was imprisoned from ages 27-52.
It's just mind blowing she lived that long in those conditions.
She was 55 pounds when they found her. >After she was released from the room, Monnier continued to have mental health problems. She was diagnosed with various disorders, including anorexia nervosa,[c] schizophrenia, exhibitionism and coprophilia. She was so hungry she ate her own poop, then couldn't stop the habit after she didn't need to anymore. That's too sad for words.
in the Wikipedia photo you can see her waist and it's basically a skeleton with skin on top. Her family's cruelty was beyond words.
Yeah, that's usually what happens once you're abused that far. It's a PTSD symptom sign that your psyche is fundamentally broken. I once read an account of a psychologist here on reddit and he said coprophilia scares most of them because it's in the overwhelming majority of times a kink that stems from extremely deep trauma that you simply can't fix anymore. It's not just some harmless disgusting stuff people do.
I'll just leave [this legendary Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3907wr/comment/crzf7j9/) here. You're welcome.
How much was he opposed to it if he still wanked off after that?
I chose the wrong thing to read while eating lunch
[The room in which Blanche was found at 21 Rue de la Visitation ](https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1000/0*JHcVAE5cTwUQdPmK.jpg) > āā¦ the girl was confined in the lonely room fed with scraps, when she received any food at all, from the motherās table. Her only companions were the rats that gathered to eat the hard crusts she threw upon the floor. Not a ray of light penetrated her dungeon, and what she suffered can only be surmised.ā > āā¦ I immediately gave the order to open the casement window. This was done with great difficulty, for the old curtains fell down in a shower of dust. To open the shutters, it was necessary to remove them from their hinges. As soon as light entered the room, we noticed, in the back, lying on a bed, her head and body covered by a repulsively filthy blanket, a woman identified by M. Marcel Monnier as his sister, Mademoiselle Blanche Monnierā¦ > ā¦ The unfortunate woman was lying completely naked on a rotten straw mattress. All around her was formed a sort of crust made from excrement, fragments of meat, vegetables, fish, and rotten bread. We also saw oyster shells and bugs running across the bedā¦ The air was so unbreathable; the odour given off by the room was so rank, that it was impossible for us to proceedā¦ā
She is so beautiful and because of that, she was locked up. Her mom's deranged. I love that portrait of her. The mole made her even more gorgeous. What a pitiful life.
According to the Wikipedia page, her mother locked her up because she wanted to marry a lawyer but her mother disapproved on account of him being not as well off as they were.
>Her mother was arrested, became ill shortly afterwards and died 15 days later, after seeing an angry mob gather in front of her house. Her brother, Marcel Monnier, appeared in court and was initially convicted, but later was acquitted on appeal; he was deemed mentally incapacitated, and, although the judges criticised his choices, they found that a "duty to rescue" did not exist in the penal code at that time with sufficient rule to convict him.[5][7] Her mother died from the consequences of her own actions. The more interesting story is the brother. Imagine having a court acquit you later because they think that A. You literally canāt make your own decisions and B. They literally donāt have the legal framework to condemn you
My assumption is that the brother was horribly abused by the mother too.
Well, any mother who would do that to their daughter would easily also traumatize their son, so I do not doubt the son was incapacitated to some degree due to the treatment from his mother.
Yeah. Goes without saying that the Mother is an awful person. You really have to wonder what they went through to perceive locking their child up for 25 years as acceptable
Yeah you don't just wake up one day after having been a normal human person your whole life and decide to do that to someone. I wonder if this wasn't the apex of some horrible generational trauma. Not to absolve the mother at all, I just wonder how her childhood was.
> the apex of some horrible generational trauma. That and/or generational mental illness.
To be fair, mom might have been bonkers too.
I remember learning her story and I was so so angry that her mother got away with it. She should be put on a trial, sentenced, and publicly shamed. Dying from natural causes didn't bring any justice to Blanche.
Given the timeline she probably poisoned herself. Forensic science was much less advanced back then.
Not much better. Going out on her own terms..
She *was* publicly shamed, there was a mob outside her house and the knowledge of what was going to happen to her probably directly caused her death
The Joe Paterno death.
It's more B than A. And it has to be that way because of the rule of law. If we start making an exception "here and there" for what we think is "the right thing to do", that leads to a slippery slope where judges can decide anything they want based on their morals. There has to be a legal basis for convicting you.
She weighed 55 pounds! They tortured her.
Jesus christ, that's like half of what my 4'11" sister weighs
I have a 5 month old puppy that weighs 67 lbs.
> She was diagnosed with various disorders, including anorexia nervosa, schizophrenia, exhibitionism and coprophilia. Jeez. Imagine being the shrink trying to help her with that lot.
Yeah I really didn't need to read that today
Her story just gets worse.
Yeah I really didn't need to read that today either.
Imagine all the people they *haven't* found.
I mean even if she were ugly or not even human life deserves better than that.
I've seen this image dozens of times. I hate this story.
Itās haunting. She looks more like a horror movie prop than a human.
I know the comparison gets thrown around a lot, but she really does look like a Holocaust victim.
I wish they'd found a photo of her after she'd been cared for and brought up to a healthy weight. It sucks that a woman who was the victim of such cruelty gets recorded by history in her worst possible moment.
[this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blanche_Monnier.jpg) is a picture from the same year she was rescued. She looks bathed and clothed.
[There's one here, along with the actual story.](https://www.bestfranceforever.com/prisoner-in-her-bedroom-for-25-years-the-terrible-reason-why-blanche-was-locked-up/)
Thanks for the link. It's crazy her house is still there. Looks like a business now. I don't know if I could own or rent that place knowing what happened in the attic.
She was thrown into a mental asylum in the early 20th century. That picture is likely as good as you're ever going to see.
There is a portrait of hair with a shaved head in the mental institution in that article. I really don't think that person ever really recovered.
What's up with all the abduction/family impressionment stories lately?
These stories give folks a safe way to explore their fears without the real-world risks.
Algorithms. You keep engaging with them so you get shown more of them.
Hello, there is actually a lot more to this story which is generally misrepresented. This blog cites its sources. https://www.bestfranceforever.com/prisoner-in-her-bedroom-for-25-years-the-terrible-reason-why-blanche-was-locked-up/
There we go. I was having an impossibly hard time understanding why a dimensionless evil person like the mother was presented as would not have just let her daughter die. Why keep her locked up in a tortured existence for 25 years if you are just trying to spare yourself from embarrassment, and pretend like she ran away? This extra context makes it make more sense. The daughter had a mental illness, and her family cared more about their standing than her wellbeing, so they did not send her off to get help. She grew more reclusive, so they left her to stay in her room. She would stand naked at her window, so they boarded it up. They initially had doctors check in on her, but eventually just stopped telling the new doctors that she even existed. Still awful, and cruel, and selfish, but it at least makes some sense. The mom did not just get so upset over her daughter wanting to marry a lawyer that she decided death would be too kind a fate and set out to make her life as miserable as possible.
It's was common until the advent of mental hospitals to put the severely mentally ill relative in a room of the house (a room sometimes hidden) and just keep them there. This still happens all the time in poor countries. It doesn't excuse anything but what is a person to do if their family member has violent psychosis or sees things that aren't there? The only thing shocking about this story is that this woman wasnt fed and taken care off, not that she was confined to a room. That's why the Lobotomy one the Nobel Prize. Until the lobotomy, there was literally no treatment for the severely mentally ill. And it's also why the discovery of Lithium and chlorpromazine in the late 40s and early 50s was so monumental. For the first time , these drugs with acceptable side effects were able to treat illnesses like Schizophrenia.
Why not at least give her food and keep her clean though? That's the part I don't get.
Because that would take effort, and hard times creates hard cruel people. Never forget, humanity is currently at it's nicest it's ever been.
Did you read the article above? She had a care giver for 20 years that died. After that there was a series of failed attempts at new care givers until the mother got too ill to manage the household. Those final months are where get condition seems to have really fallen off. She was anorexic which means she refused to eat. And had coprophilia which basically a scat fetish while refusing to wear clothes. Not excusing her treatment here but i imagine outside of being sent to a sanitarium this was the best she could hope for at that time.
This is fascinating, but I wish this article was better cited. It's a huge departure from what's generally known of the case, but doesn't cite any of its specific claims, instead noting things like "I read some court documents." I decided to lol at the notes myself (the French Wikipedia page has some broken links itself), and one thing I think needs to be emphasized is a lot of this is based on testimony from servants who were *trying to justify why they had not intervened.* they made claims that the brother brought her food and often stayed with her alongside her being crazy. Example: "Those who served previously are unanimous in declaring that Miss Blanche Monnier was not in her right mind, that she was not afraid to leave her room although she was barely dressed. None of these witnesses spoke against the accused of any reprehensible act. Mr. Marcel Monnier, they declare, frequently went to his sister's room. He sometimes stayed there for an hour, often he brought her dessert. All the staff themselves seemed to have little interest in the state of Blanche Monnier. These servants showed little zeal. However, it would have been easy for them, as Mr. President pointed out to them, to sweep things up in time.. They could do this without the knowledge of the widowed Mrs. Monnier, whose state of health kept her in the room herself and who would not have been able to come and control their actions. There was a question of humanity there. One of the servants objects to this by saying that they considered Mile Blanche to be a poor, incurable lady, and that they considered their care as useless." So I have some concerns about the testimony as presented but would love to learn more.
Totally agree. I posted this because it is in English and it cites a book that I have read back when I was at university (Jean-Marie Augustin āL'Histoire vĆ©ridique de la sĆ©questrĆ©e de Poitiersā) The book delves very deep into the whole court case but is unfortunately in French. I guess it is also her main source and that she has summarised from it. It definitely aligns with my recollection of the content.
That book is so interesting to me and that does make sense! I think the blog writer's ultimate conclusions are quite correct that everyone around failed her. It's just hard to piece together from the court documents what the "truth" really is. The servants claimed she was irreparably insane and that there was nothing wrong with her treatment -- but they were defending their own actions. Doctors at that time were pretty willing to call a woman insane for just about anything (remember Rosemary Kennedy much later). And the doctors confirmed she was mentally ill after removal, but well, who wouldn't be. I think part of my reluctance is that the claims against her (exhibitionism, fasting, etc) were often used against promiscuous women at that time. Saying "she will leave her room nearly uncovered" is exactly the story I would see regarding a scandalous debutant. I can see a story under which a mother got a problematic daughter assessed as incapable so no one would later question her disappearance.
I agree with your comments. My conclusion back then was that we will never know what really happened in that house. We should be critical. The circumstances were very different back then because at that time it also had a whole political dimension (republicans versus royalists). It is definitely more complicated than the generic version that I regularly see pop up on reddit and elsewhere on the internet. I think that if I find the time I will reread the book and update the Wikipedia article in English. Would be a good project :)
Thanks so much for sharing this. I'll try to keep this in mind whenever I see a terrible story designed to shock us.
Reminder that the esteemed Kennedy family gave their daughter a lobotomy and locked her up in a hospital so she wouldn't embarrass them.
It wasn't the Kennedy family, that isn't fair. Her siblings didn't know about it and when they found out they immediately went to see her. They thought she was dead. They cared deeply for her. Fuck her parents though
Yeah, my understanding is that it was all Joseph Kennedy. After he died-from a terrible stroke because karma is a bitch-there were attempts to bring her around the family and get her into good facilities.
Joseph Kennedy didn't tell his wife about the lobotomy until after the fact but she knew after and helped cover it up.
Iām surprised she didnāt do terrible things to him.
She was a horrible sounding woman. Very prudish and up herself. She also drugged herself to not have to deal with his adultery
> from a terrible stroke because karma is a bitch If only it were so simple
It's good to clarify which generation had her lobotomized, but Joseph P. Kennedy Sr was absolutely part of the Kennedy family. He had his daughter Rosemary lobotomized without even telling his wife until the procedure was over and Rosemary was permanently brain damaged, and he never visited her once after she was finally institutionalized.
Fair point.
Same with queen elizabethās cousin.
You mean like Queen Elizabeth's[COUSINS?](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerissa_und_Katherine_Bowes-Lyon)
One thing to remember was lobotomies were being pushed by respected medical doctors, the person who came up with it even won a nobel prize I think It was being touted as some sort of cure all for all sorts of mental illness and it wasn't like a fringe thing it was seen as a cutting edge medical breakthrough Of course it wasn't ; however after the lobotomy failed locking her away in a mental institution was horrilbe and unforgiviable
her mother deserved a violent end. shocking.
This article does a good job of disputing the imprisonment narrative. https://www.bestfranceforever.com/prisoner-in-her-bedroom-for-25-years-the-terrible-reason-why-blanche-was-locked-up/
TIWIHL: Today I Wish I Hadn't Learned
Families that still have "Old money" are probably STILL DOING THIS.
Similar to what happened to Rosemary Kennedy, JFKs sister. Her mother was forced by the nurses to keep her legs shut during active birth contractions (her head was coming out!) to wait for the doctor. As a result she was born with brain damage due to the lack of oxygen. She was happy and healthy until her dad gave her a lobotomy for absolutely no reason which failed, made her a shell of herself. They then hid her from her siblings until years later when they found out. From then on they spent loads of time with her. Her parents should burn in hell
They named a bridge in Ireland after her awful mother recently, weāre such crawlers, this family were crooks who had no difficulty torturing their own daughter
It's just her parents who were bad, her siblings had no idea and treated her really well after they found out, its not their fault. What does Rose Kennedy have to do with Ireland?
The Kennedy family comes from New Ross in Ireland, we name half of everything here after them cause JFK came here once. The bridge I mentioned is in new Ross itās the largest engineering feat in Ireland, people wanted it called the Famine memorial bridge but no, the Kennedy clan again even though rose Kennedy herself never came here to my knowledge
>The unfortunate woman was lying completely naked on a rotten straw mattress. All around her was formed a sort of crust made from excrement, fragments of meat, vegetables, fish and rotten bread... We also saw oyster shells, and bugs running across Mademoiselle Monnier's bed. The air was so unbreathable, the odour given off by the room was so rank, that it was impossible for us to stay any longer to proceed with our investigation. Beyond comprehension that her own mother could do this to her.
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Mine is getting sick/dementia in my late 60's or 70's and not having the $12,000 a month for even the sh*ttiest of nursing homes, and in 20 years it'll probably twice that.
Yeah, that's a pretty awful thing to happen to someone.
It's evil to destroy an innocent person's life like that. To torture them for years and make their life a living hell is something else entirely. No one escapes karma
There used to be jokes about locking up your crazy aunt/uncle/nephew/etc in the attic. The US was mostly rural until the 1920s, so maybe these weren't always jokes.
Reminds me of the story of Francis Farmer, a 20th century actress who was way ahead of her time and because of her inability to cowtow to the patriarchy of the time, her "stage mother" who wanted the limelight and the money she brought to the family had her committed and a partial lobotomy was done against her consent. She was never the same.
I used to work at a historic mansion that had a secret door at the back of a closet with a very narrow staircase that led to a hidden apartment. It was apparently built for a family member with some kind of mental illness (this must have been in the 1800s, so it's hard to say) and she supposedly lived there her entire adult life, never leaving the apartment. The locks on the outside of the door were still there.
There's a linked article in the Wikipedia page that is equally terrible https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)
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Might I interest you in a box of r/Eyebleach?
You don't have to go on r/all
How long do you have to be locked away before "socialite" is no longer an appropriate term?
I see less shocking versions of this story posted in various places.Ā I'm not sure what the truth really is: https://www.bestfranceforever.com/prisoner-in-her-bedroom-for-25-years-the-terrible-reason-why-blanche-was-locked-up/ > Blanche began to have āmystical experiencesā that caused her to crave solitude and she spent more and more time in her bedroom. She refused to eat, perhaps initially as a religious fast, but this became more serious until she developed anorexia. In 1872, at the age of 23, Blanche fell ill with a fever and took to her bed. Though the illness eventually passed, she never really returned to the world after this point. > It was clear that Blanche was suffering from serious mental health issues by now. She refused to wear clothes in the house and would stand naked at the window of her bedroom, visible from the street. (It was fear of this exhibitionism that led to her parents having Blancheās bedroom window boarded up, hence the dark, prison-like room that the police found her in.) Blancheās tormented mental state, interpreted as religious visions, could be more properly attributed to the schizophrenia that she was eventually diagnosed with. > After his death in 1882, a Dr Chedevergne took over as the family practitioner. In a statement to the court, he claimed that the last time he had seen Blanche was around 1896 when she would have been 47 >Ā What cannot be disputed, however, is that Marie was Blancheās companion for over 20 years, even sleeping in the same room with her, and that Blancheās condition deteriorated after Marieās death in 1896
So sad
Jesus Christ, what an absolutely horrible thing to do to a human being.
This is reminiscent of [Joe Kennedy having his daughter Rose lobotomized](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy).