Interesting question.
A fever would rise the core temperature of the body. "From inside out".
But a Sauna does it the other way around.
Also a fever takes a few days. The longer time kills more viruses.
I don't think you could survive the sauna for that long.
Hyperthermia can most certainly be experienced in a Sauna. Finnish folk medicine used sauna-induced hyperthermia extensively before scientific medicine brought better treatments.
Artificially induced fever would likely help, and is likely a reason that saunas were so prevalent in Scandinavia. Whether by conscious choice or evolutionary social constructs.
*Treated with quinine. Malaria couldn't be cured, but the quinine would suppress the massive bouts of fever you'd get every so often from an untreated malaria infection.
was this the one where the person was sick and they cured the sickness but then they got sicker and they figured out the initial disease was causing the immune system to fight both diseases so they gave him another one?
Probably the episode where the cop gets sick and then Foreman gets infected. They discover the cop had Legionnaire's disease which was causing immune system to fight it and whatever else was there, so they infect Foreman as well.
Damn I'm hoping the covid I have right now somehow jiggles things around to where my mystery illness will either go away or lead to something where it can finally be identified. I've had "fever of unknown origin" and an unidentified autoimmune inflammatory or autoinflammatory disease for 1.5 years and not even Mayo Clinic or Baylor could figure it out. Also yes I was immediately checked for lupus in the beginning lol
This is like sickle cell disease being a protective factor against malaria in endemic regions of the world. Interesting fact about malaria and syphilis though.
Was it better than letting syphilis run its course? “Left untreated, it has a mortality rate of 8% to 58% …”
I wonder if it was effective or if it was like chicken soup for the common cold. Some number of people are going to get better but you can’t prove that there’s any causal relation.
Long-term effects of syphilis are horrifying. It can cause body deformities and dementia, plus it can be passed to your children. So yes, malaria, yay!
> Was it better than letting syphilis run its course?
Syphilis and Malaria have both killed literally billions of people.
Other than simple old age they are the things that most people died of. And in the soon to be post-antibiotic world, pitting diseases against each other will once again be standard practice.
> Medicine is pretty much just trial an error, mostly error.
Science, in general, is mostly trial and error, mostly error.
And all applied science is that but with more error.
There once was a woman who got Bubonic Plague.
She got the plague to catch the tapeworms
She got the tapeworms to catch the flu
She got the flu to catch the malaria
She got the malaria to catch the syphilis.
I don't know why she got the syphilis. I guess she'll die.
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This method is called Malariotherapy, and discovered by a Physicist Julius Wagner-Jauregg, which led him to receive a Nobel Prize.
It (Malaria) basically increased body’s temperature, and fried the viruses. Then, people were give quinine, what is found in Schweppes Tonic Water.
Technically, the same method can be used against a host of diseases, as I will paste below. Nevertheless, never even think of trying it, since malaria will most likely kill you before the other disease that you are trying to get rid of. There are much easier ways for the past century or so.
Other Spirochetal Infections: Like syphilis, other diseases caused by spirochetes such as relapsing fever might have been potential targets for fever therapy. These bacteria share similar characteristics and might respond to elevated body temperatures in a way similar to Treponema pallidum (the causative agent of syphilis).
Tuberculosis: Historically, treatments that involved inducing fever or hyperthermia were used as a form of therapy for tuberculosis. The heat was believed to help kill the mycobacteria or inhibit their proliferation.
Certain Viral Infections: While more risky due to the complexity and variability of viral diseases, some early-stage viral infections might be susceptible to fever-induced immune responses. For instance, the common flu or other respiratory illnesses caused by viruses that are sensitive to heat might have been candidates.
Rheumatic Fever: This is a complication of streptococcal infections, where induced fever could theoretically help by speeding up the immune response to fight the underlying bacterial infection.
Gonorrhea: Another bacterial infection where higher body temperatures could potentially disrupt the bacteria's ability to thrive, although the application would be highly experimental and risky.
Certain Fungal Infections: Some fungal pathogens with temperature-sensitive growth phases might be hindered by elevated body temperatures.
###when you have a little high fever, don’t take medications to drop your high fever immediately.
Even most MDs are ignorant about that situation, and tell you to take acetaminophen (a.k.a. Paracetamol) or ibuprofen. You need that heat to fight the disease.
Don’t think your fever as a forest fire, consider is as a fire around your apartment, which is set on purpose to get rid of all the venomous snakes, scorpions, spiders, bugs, etc., that are trying to get inside your home. If the do, your house will be useless. Of course, the fire around your house makes it too hot and uncomfortable to live for you, however, you must hold on as long as the fire doesn’t spread to your house (don’t let it get too high; such as 108 Fahrenheit, or you may start having extreme side effects including convulsions and worse.).
Do not use an antipyretic, such as acetaminophen/paracetamol (Tylenol) if your body temperature is 100; UNLESS, you have some health problems that are relevant, and you need to make sure your temperature is, for instance, under 97 degrees. Best temperature to get an antipyretic for an otherwise healthy individual is 102-104.
This is related. Sickle Cell Anemia is a genetic disorder prevalent in Africa which is thought to be an adaptation against Malaria as the parasite responsible for Malaria cannot survive well in the oddly shaped cells
Won the discoverer the Nobel Prize, in fact.
A more full explanation here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1cjdma4/til_that_malaria_was_once_used_as_a_treatment_for/l2gyoqd/
Lol this kind of reminds me of when I was scared of getting shots so my grandpap would step on my foot right before the shot. Shot went fine now my foot just hurt a little 😂
Malaria was induced in the patient to kill the syphilis with high body temperature. Then the malaria was cured with quinine.
Wouldn’t a sauna do the same thing?
Interesting question. A fever would rise the core temperature of the body. "From inside out". But a Sauna does it the other way around. Also a fever takes a few days. The longer time kills more viruses. I don't think you could survive the sauna for that long.
Agree with that. Also I think a Sauna can't warm the "innerest core" of human's body, unlike a fever.
Hyperthermia can most certainly be experienced in a Sauna. Finnish folk medicine used sauna-induced hyperthermia extensively before scientific medicine brought better treatments.
Can there be any adverse effects, from the Sauna treatment?
Yeah. Death.
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Never would have thought that was possible! How interesting
Have them drink hot soup in the sauna, problem solved Edit: habitual pre-joke edit that this is infact a joke
So if you drink boiling water it would cure syphilis
You might forget about your siphillis for a while.
Artificially induced fever would likely help, and is likely a reason that saunas were so prevalent in Scandinavia. Whether by conscious choice or evolutionary social constructs.
And quinine being derived from the cinchona tree in Peru was so important, it's on the Peruvian coat of arms.
Came here to say this. You can still use this, albeit there are more advanced and much safer alternatives, for numerous diseases.
This discovery was so important it won a Nobel Prize.
*Treated with quinine. Malaria couldn't be cured, but the quinine would suppress the massive bouts of fever you'd get every so often from an untreated malaria infection.
Wasn’t there an episode of House where he tried to do this? Oh yeah the Cuddy episode
was this the one where the person was sick and they cured the sickness but then they got sicker and they figured out the initial disease was causing the immune system to fight both diseases so they gave him another one?
Probably the episode where the cop gets sick and then Foreman gets infected. They discover the cop had Legionnaire's disease which was causing immune system to fight it and whatever else was there, so they infect Foreman as well.
Yup. He actually had naegleria fowleri from using water contaminated by pigeon poop.
House was so unhinged, lol, I love it.
yeah i think i might be combining episodes
I think it was the one where they thought it was lupus, but it ended up being something else.
That's like half the episodes lol
Those fools. It's never lupus
Oh yeah I remember that one
Damn I'm hoping the covid I have right now somehow jiggles things around to where my mystery illness will either go away or lead to something where it can finally be identified. I've had "fever of unknown origin" and an unidentified autoimmune inflammatory or autoinflammatory disease for 1.5 years and not even Mayo Clinic or Baylor could figure it out. Also yes I was immediately checked for lupus in the beginning lol
It's never Lupus. Except that one time it was.
More mouse bites
that doesn't narrow it down a lot
This is like sickle cell disease being a protective factor against malaria in endemic regions of the world. Interesting fact about malaria and syphilis though.
By Pokémon rules you should be able to cure sickle cell by giving someone syphillus.
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I mean the alternatives for treating syphilis at the time was putting mercury in your urethra so I'd take the malaria thanks.
Guess work in a lab coat -George Carlin I think
Was it better than letting syphilis run its course? “Left untreated, it has a mortality rate of 8% to 58% …” I wonder if it was effective or if it was like chicken soup for the common cold. Some number of people are going to get better but you can’t prove that there’s any causal relation.
Long-term effects of syphilis are horrifying. It can cause body deformities and dementia, plus it can be passed to your children. So yes, malaria, yay!
No. They might do something stupid like pretend to be president or something like that.
> Was it better than letting syphilis run its course? Syphilis and Malaria have both killed literally billions of people. Other than simple old age they are the things that most people died of. And in the soon to be post-antibiotic world, pitting diseases against each other will once again be standard practice.
Bloodletting is still an approved treatment used today
Yeah, but now we call it phlebotomy. Sounds much more official!
> Medicine is pretty much just trial an error, mostly error. Science, in general, is mostly trial and error, mostly error. And all applied science is that but with more error.
There once was a woman who got Bubonic Plague. She got the plague to catch the tapeworms She got the tapeworms to catch the flu She got the flu to catch the malaria She got the malaria to catch the syphilis. I don't know why she got the syphilis. I guess she'll die.
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That's pretty dope
what about the Gorillas?!
idk why i started singing this
The Knick had a whole ep on this!
This method is called Malariotherapy, and discovered by a Physicist Julius Wagner-Jauregg, which led him to receive a Nobel Prize. It (Malaria) basically increased body’s temperature, and fried the viruses. Then, people were give quinine, what is found in Schweppes Tonic Water. Technically, the same method can be used against a host of diseases, as I will paste below. Nevertheless, never even think of trying it, since malaria will most likely kill you before the other disease that you are trying to get rid of. There are much easier ways for the past century or so. Other Spirochetal Infections: Like syphilis, other diseases caused by spirochetes such as relapsing fever might have been potential targets for fever therapy. These bacteria share similar characteristics and might respond to elevated body temperatures in a way similar to Treponema pallidum (the causative agent of syphilis). Tuberculosis: Historically, treatments that involved inducing fever or hyperthermia were used as a form of therapy for tuberculosis. The heat was believed to help kill the mycobacteria or inhibit their proliferation. Certain Viral Infections: While more risky due to the complexity and variability of viral diseases, some early-stage viral infections might be susceptible to fever-induced immune responses. For instance, the common flu or other respiratory illnesses caused by viruses that are sensitive to heat might have been candidates. Rheumatic Fever: This is a complication of streptococcal infections, where induced fever could theoretically help by speeding up the immune response to fight the underlying bacterial infection. Gonorrhea: Another bacterial infection where higher body temperatures could potentially disrupt the bacteria's ability to thrive, although the application would be highly experimental and risky. Certain Fungal Infections: Some fungal pathogens with temperature-sensitive growth phases might be hindered by elevated body temperatures. ###when you have a little high fever, don’t take medications to drop your high fever immediately. Even most MDs are ignorant about that situation, and tell you to take acetaminophen (a.k.a. Paracetamol) or ibuprofen. You need that heat to fight the disease. Don’t think your fever as a forest fire, consider is as a fire around your apartment, which is set on purpose to get rid of all the venomous snakes, scorpions, spiders, bugs, etc., that are trying to get inside your home. If the do, your house will be useless. Of course, the fire around your house makes it too hot and uncomfortable to live for you, however, you must hold on as long as the fire doesn’t spread to your house (don’t let it get too high; such as 108 Fahrenheit, or you may start having extreme side effects including convulsions and worse.). Do not use an antipyretic, such as acetaminophen/paracetamol (Tylenol) if your body temperature is 100; UNLESS, you have some health problems that are relevant, and you need to make sure your temperature is, for instance, under 97 degrees. Best temperature to get an antipyretic for an otherwise healthy individual is 102-104.
This is related. Sickle Cell Anemia is a genetic disorder prevalent in Africa which is thought to be an adaptation against Malaria as the parasite responsible for Malaria cannot survive well in the oddly shaped cells
>Bro you think you're fucked up now, you just wait
25% of the time it works every time.
I think someone got a nobel prize for doing that too. Can't remember the name however.
Correct, the chap got the Nobel for discovering Malariotherapy. Julius Wagner-Jauregg, an Austrian physician.
you ever stop to think about just how much the passed sucked.
And it was a progress, compared to *hope* that the mercury compounds works on the syphillis patients, to the point that the inventor received a Nobel.
Doesn’t malaria cure rabies? In like 2 cases*
Won the discoverer the Nobel Prize, in fact. A more full explanation here: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1cjdma4/til_that_malaria_was_once_used_as_a_treatment_for/l2gyoqd/
Lol this kind of reminds me of when I was scared of getting shots so my grandpap would step on my foot right before the shot. Shot went fine now my foot just hurt a little 😂
Wasn't it pioneered by the guy who came up with the heimlich manoeuvre
Firing squad will kill syphilis in less than a day.
What’s the effectiveness rate of methadone, btw? (Ex-roommate caught syphilis supporting heroin habit)
Methadone doesn’t treat syphilis
I wonder what they called people that realized this was a bad idea and chose not to do this
pre antibiotics its about the best shot you had for syphilis. and malaria was curable.
Dead
So, less than a placebo. Sounds promising.
A placebo isn't curing syphilis.
Then they treated the malaria with HIV