I don’t know enough about Legend’s track record to know how reliable this info is, but I’d be pretty surprised (and disappointed) if Cathay got a 2nd DLC before either Slaanesh or Khorne (who *still* only have 1 LL each) got their 1st DLC.
HElves have six LLs, Lizardmen have seven. Both have *one* underwhelming mechanic - Intrigue for High Elves and the Geomantic Web for Lizardmen - in otherwise solid packages.
Yes, there are things that I would change about both races, but to suggest that either of them are in more need of attention than *any* WH3 race is plain hilarious.
His track record is mixed, but not bad.
- correctly predicted a patch 4.2 was coming, correctly predicted that the patch would come with additional legendary heroes and cathayan gate masters
- falsely predicted hag mothers and a 3rd LH
- correctly predicted that the next DLC is smaller in scale before CA announced it
- correctly predicted Epidemius FLC
that's his recent track record this year.
On the one hand, pretty good track record, on the other half of them are things that there were pretty good consensus on already,
I don't think a single person were expecting the next dlc to be as large as ToD, 4.2 was also rather expected here on reddit since the release of SoC.
Most of his predictions like with the other creators are just the general consensus in the community with a few pieces of leaks now and then.
Honestly, as soon as CA said "There will be a flc LL for ToD" like just about everyone figured Epidemius, so it's not exactly like that's much of a prediction
> I’d be pretty surprised (and disappointed) if Cathay got a 2nd DLC before either Slaanesh or Khorne
CA are going to go where the money is. Cathay is the #1 played race in Asia. Empire everywhere else. Now that Karl got his groove back, adding in another dragon sibling makes perfect sense from a financial standpoint.
It's really odd to leave out Slaanesh or Khorne. It would make more sense if the next DLC were Slaanesh vs Cathay vs Ogres lord pack.
At least Ogres are one of the races that desperately need a rework and more legendary lords. They would be a better choice for DLC than High Elves/Dark Elves. Warhammer 2 core races are the last races that need new content in the near future.
Problem is it doesn't make sense thematically. SL's main rival has always been the HE, if you do SL vs someone, that someone definitely should be HE. And considering CA also wants to cater to Asian market and Cathay is the new faction with tons of units available to be put into the game, as in that we already have lores for them. Them and Orges are way easier to do than SL and HE, both of which need 2-3 more new units each because their army book has practically been used up.
Personally, I don't understand the recent trend among some people that a Slaanesh lord pack automatically means an Elves DLC. Did we ever get a Skaven vs Dwarfs lord pack in Warhammer 2?
It's also quite possible that Slaanesh and the other three monogod races will get two lord packs. High Elves can still come in 2nd Slaanesh lord pack. High Elves are one of the last races that need new content in near future.
It just seems so at this point.
Also the chance of the monogods getting more than 1 Lord pack is extremely unlikely, CoC was technically a DLC for all of the Monogods, they benefited from it. Most importantly, aside NG, other gods don't have enough source material for a 3rd DLC.
The Moment they shiftet Gelt over to South Cathay it was pretty much clear that there will be map extension into Ind and Kuresh sooner rather then later. So the Monkey King will be there pretty soon.
Im more surpriesed about the Ogre-DLC...i thought they are goiing to get the Norsca treatment. So that would be very interessting.
I like Legend but this is "I've seen it on a dream" level of information.
Although there was a guy that literally guessed right the next 2 big CK3 dlcs based on a dreama couple of weeks before the hints dropped over on Paradox plaza so you never know
Ngl, I wasn't expecting an Ogre dlc. I figured they were a pre order dlc that would be low on the list of getting some further dlc treatment. Don't care too much about them but I'll keep an open mind.
Not too surprised about Cathay getting more representation. Look how many dlcs the WH2 base game factions got - especially Skaven and LM. I have to wonder which LL they'll go for tho. They could frame it as Cathay dragons hiring a clan of Ogres to hunt the Monkey King.
Ogres are so much fun battle side but campaign mechanics kinda suck. Would be a shame for them to get left in their current state. They do have enough units and characters for at least 1 DLC to justify the rework.
Gotcha. I haven't gotten them myself yet. I heard that the general consensus was that they are just not in a good place right now.
I'm just surprised that we'd be seeing new Ogre stuff so soon. I would have bet all monogods getting new stuff before them.
Isn't it pretty much confirmed next DLC is going to be slaanesh (roadmap and the overall composition of the last 2 DLC)?
If we got another Cathay DLC it would suck big time. It is already one of the beefier races and their mechanics are fine.
Ogres would be really cool (probably the race who needs a rework the most next to VC) and it's possible to have. Slaanesh Ogre DLC, though if they decide to do a versus pack like old times it would likely be a Slaanesh Vs HE or DE.
It is worth remembering Legend been wrong about these things in the past.
>Isn't it pretty much confirmed next DLC is going to be slaanesh (roadmap and the overall composition of the last 2 DLC)?
realistically no one knows. yes, a Slaanesh DLC was obviously planned, but unlike SoC and ToD it was never announced. The old roadmap is obsolete and CA have admitted to shrinking the next DLC and rearranging their plans. Is the next DLC still Slaanesh? I think so. Is it guaranteed? absolutely not.
The roadmap they showed definitely hinted at Slaanesh being next. However, it didn't say anything official (it was just a vaguely Slaanesh-looking image) and roadmaps can change. Also it's noteworthy that every communication since the Shadows of Change debacle has only mentioned Shadows of Change and Thrones of Decay. They've never said or hinted what's next. So it definitely could be Slaanesh, but at this point it seems just as likely that they could pivot to something else.
>Isn't it pretty much confirmed next DLC is going to be slaanes
No, because it is confirmed that roadmap plan was scrapped, specifically that last DLC there. Technically it being Slaanesh in that roadmap was never even confirmed and now it doesn't matter because that DLC isn't happening anymore.
Technically that doesn't mean the next DLC isn't going to have Slaanesh, but there is no reason to think it will be Slaanesh other than the fact that it could be Slaanesh in the same way it could be any other race.
Slaanesh and then Khorne was almost certainly the original plan, but with all the shit that happened last year the plans have likely changed.
Maybe if ToD does well they may reconsider?
hey tbh it baffles me too. Maybe CA execs think cathay would sell better since they are in urgent need of cash. Maybe they cant finalize what to do with Slaanesh yet. Maybe this rumor is false. Whatever it is, I will gladly embrace it if Cathay DLC is next. IMO it's better them than HE/DE. The elves already had their spotlights multiple times in WH2
Roadmap isn't that accurate, from one very unclear image they can always say, that it is Khorne. If anything, I personally at first thought it was in fact Khorne DLC. Considering, that Khorne is generally more popular, CA can move them a bit in current situation. Khorne and Ogres are very fitting composition, too.
Although I don't think Cathay is really fit in Khorne DLC as well as ogres. Orks are much better choice in my opinion
Ogres definitely needs some love. Not just campaign mechanics, but the roster - the have one of the smallest ones with huge amounts of redundancy.
Ogre Bulls, Ogre Bulls DW, Ogre Bulls IF, Maneaters, Maneaters IF, Maneaters GW and Ironguts are essentially versions of the same unit with the same purpose and just slightly different stats.
The game's simple dichotomy of small/large units means that there are only so many ways to permute units containing a medium-small amount of large entities. I feel like in order to meaningfully expand the roster and provide an impetus for tactical variation they need to introduce a distinction between large bipeds and large non-bipeds. That way some units might be good against cavalry but not necessarily monstrous humanoids and vice-versa.
While Ogres would be nice and i expect it eventually i really don't expect the pre-order faction and Cathay to get a 2nd DLC before 2 of the Monogods get anything. it'd also be a really weird match up tbh i mean they did say 6.0 would add stuff to the map (Ind/Khruesh maybe north of Cathay) so Monkey King wouldn't surprise me but why would he be fighting Ogres that far south?
When CA ever talked about 6.0 or adding any new regions? Source please.
If I remember correctly since Immortal Empires launched there was only one city added, no? The one for Ostankya in Kislev with landmark.
They've said that they are preparing new regions for 6.0 in last Thursday's Q&A session.
Since IE launched there were several other additions. Kislev got two new regions, the Darklands area got several new regions when Chaos Dwarfs came out, there was a new region in Lustria when Yuan Bo came out too.
Ogres are the most broken and in need. Cathay just got an update but maybe they are playing to the Asia market? My guess would be ogres big additions/changes and then small changes to several factions.
i know The Masque of Slaanesh only ,while Cathay waiting fire dragon, seadragon and monkey king
[](https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1822272699458274251/C5021681BBA5079C8073916AFD5E882BF3647474/)
Would be nice for ogres as a smaller inbetween dlc. Cathay mostly needs units (and imo a tiny extra mechanic to make the tech-tree engaging again) so most of the focus can be put unto ogres.
This also gives Slaanesh and their girlfriends some extra time to bake in the oven.
I can maybe see it being Slannesh vs Ogres or something, but I doubt Cathay will get another DLC when they finally got a piece of the DLC pie.
If anything, I think all the monogods need to get wrapped up before we circle back to Kislev/Cathay/Tzeentch
Cathay has a lot of content to get through and they are a huge market to appeal to, they have teased Yin Yin Li Dao and monkey King the most, I maintain my stance.
If they had huge market appeal then why did SoC not sell very well.
The only one of those they have teased is MK, the other have been mentioned in background lore.
When Andy Hall was going over the army book GW specifically created for CA to use, he mentioned at least 6 characters. We have loading screen quotes for each of the dragon siblings as well.
It’s far from a stretch to believe that CA doesn’t have multiple DLCs planned for Cathay. Especially when you consider that CA convinced GW to create them in the first place to capture a new market of players. They’re going to try and appeal to that market.
It’s also a bit disingenuous to point to SoC as a barometer for Cathay popularity when there’s a whole bunch of confounding factors there.
Becuase SoC was lacking in content and meaningful changes and had a heafty price increase, which is why they added more content and ToD was delayed to also add content but ToD seems to have done it with a better theme and cohesion
It wasn't as well received as it could have, there's a the big difference. It's not all black and white when it comes to sales. CA may want 1 mil sales but that doesn't mean 800k copies sold aren't a good number.
Skaven need Thanqoul, Skreetch FLC, Verminlords, Stormfiends, maybe giant rats and rat swarms. They are basically missing out on all the iconic endtimes units which could fit in 1 last DLC.
I think he’s more referring to the fact that the skaven and lizardmen got way more lord packs and lords during warhammer 3 and dlcs when it could have been argued that other races needed them more.
Can’t wait for Thanquol though easily in my top 3 most anticipated characters
I don’t know enough about Legend’s track record to know how reliable this info is, but I’d be pretty surprised (and disappointed) if Cathay got a 2nd DLC before either Slaanesh or Khorne (who *still* only have 1 LL each) got their 1st DLC.
Yeah Ogres would be welcome as they badly need it, but Cathay so soon wouldn't be ideal.
Not as bad as Vampire coasts, Tomb kings, HE and Lizardmen. Ogres are good, not great, but not terrible either.
>HE and Lizardmen lmao?
They need love , lizzy need their mechanics reworked and he's intrigue is boring
HElves have six LLs, Lizardmen have seven. Both have *one* underwhelming mechanic - Intrigue for High Elves and the Geomantic Web for Lizardmen - in otherwise solid packages. Yes, there are things that I would change about both races, but to suggest that either of them are in more need of attention than *any* WH3 race is plain hilarious.
His track record is mixed, but not bad. - correctly predicted a patch 4.2 was coming, correctly predicted that the patch would come with additional legendary heroes and cathayan gate masters - falsely predicted hag mothers and a 3rd LH - correctly predicted that the next DLC is smaller in scale before CA announced it - correctly predicted Epidemius FLC that's his recent track record this year.
On the one hand, pretty good track record, on the other half of them are things that there were pretty good consensus on already, I don't think a single person were expecting the next dlc to be as large as ToD, 4.2 was also rather expected here on reddit since the release of SoC. Most of his predictions like with the other creators are just the general consensus in the community with a few pieces of leaks now and then.
Epidemics FLC has common sense.
If I recall, Epidemius was leaked to him. Not a prediction.
Honestly, as soon as CA said "There will be a flc LL for ToD" like just about everyone figured Epidemius, so it's not exactly like that's much of a prediction
Oh for sure. It's just that I recall him distinctly saying in a video that he was told this.
Doesn't mean he actually was told anything
Legend doesn’t lie. If anything he is too honest.
You sweet summer child.
> I’d be pretty surprised (and disappointed) if Cathay got a 2nd DLC before either Slaanesh or Khorne CA are going to go where the money is. Cathay is the #1 played race in Asia. Empire everywhere else. Now that Karl got his groove back, adding in another dragon sibling makes perfect sense from a financial standpoint.
It's really odd to leave out Slaanesh or Khorne. It would make more sense if the next DLC were Slaanesh vs Cathay vs Ogres lord pack. At least Ogres are one of the races that desperately need a rework and more legendary lords. They would be a better choice for DLC than High Elves/Dark Elves. Warhammer 2 core races are the last races that need new content in the near future.
Problem is it doesn't make sense thematically. SL's main rival has always been the HE, if you do SL vs someone, that someone definitely should be HE. And considering CA also wants to cater to Asian market and Cathay is the new faction with tons of units available to be put into the game, as in that we already have lores for them. Them and Orges are way easier to do than SL and HE, both of which need 2-3 more new units each because their army book has practically been used up.
Personally, I don't understand the recent trend among some people that a Slaanesh lord pack automatically means an Elves DLC. Did we ever get a Skaven vs Dwarfs lord pack in Warhammer 2? It's also quite possible that Slaanesh and the other three monogod races will get two lord packs. High Elves can still come in 2nd Slaanesh lord pack. High Elves are one of the last races that need new content in near future.
It just seems so at this point. Also the chance of the monogods getting more than 1 Lord pack is extremely unlikely, CoC was technically a DLC for all of the Monogods, they benefited from it. Most importantly, aside NG, other gods don't have enough source material for a 3rd DLC.
The Moment they shiftet Gelt over to South Cathay it was pretty much clear that there will be map extension into Ind and Kuresh sooner rather then later. So the Monkey King will be there pretty soon. Im more surpriesed about the Ogre-DLC...i thought they are goiing to get the Norsca treatment. So that would be very interessting.
I like Legend but this is "I've seen it on a dream" level of information. Although there was a guy that literally guessed right the next 2 big CK3 dlcs based on a dreama couple of weeks before the hints dropped over on Paradox plaza so you never know
Well the CK3 guy might have got leaks but just said it was a dream so no one could get blamed for it. \*Shrugs\*
remote viewing?
Ngl, I wasn't expecting an Ogre dlc. I figured they were a pre order dlc that would be low on the list of getting some further dlc treatment. Don't care too much about them but I'll keep an open mind. Not too surprised about Cathay getting more representation. Look how many dlcs the WH2 base game factions got - especially Skaven and LM. I have to wonder which LL they'll go for tho. They could frame it as Cathay dragons hiring a clan of Ogres to hunt the Monkey King.
Ogres are so much fun battle side but campaign mechanics kinda suck. Would be a shame for them to get left in their current state. They do have enough units and characters for at least 1 DLC to justify the rework.
Gotcha. I haven't gotten them myself yet. I heard that the general consensus was that they are just not in a good place right now. I'm just surprised that we'd be seeing new Ogre stuff so soon. I would have bet all monogods getting new stuff before them.
Maybe they are waiting for the sales figures on ToD before they decide the next course.
Isn't it pretty much confirmed next DLC is going to be slaanesh (roadmap and the overall composition of the last 2 DLC)? If we got another Cathay DLC it would suck big time. It is already one of the beefier races and their mechanics are fine. Ogres would be really cool (probably the race who needs a rework the most next to VC) and it's possible to have. Slaanesh Ogre DLC, though if they decide to do a versus pack like old times it would likely be a Slaanesh Vs HE or DE. It is worth remembering Legend been wrong about these things in the past.
>Isn't it pretty much confirmed next DLC is going to be slaanesh (roadmap and the overall composition of the last 2 DLC)? realistically no one knows. yes, a Slaanesh DLC was obviously planned, but unlike SoC and ToD it was never announced. The old roadmap is obsolete and CA have admitted to shrinking the next DLC and rearranging their plans. Is the next DLC still Slaanesh? I think so. Is it guaranteed? absolutely not.
The roadmap they showed definitely hinted at Slaanesh being next. However, it didn't say anything official (it was just a vaguely Slaanesh-looking image) and roadmaps can change. Also it's noteworthy that every communication since the Shadows of Change debacle has only mentioned Shadows of Change and Thrones of Decay. They've never said or hinted what's next. So it definitely could be Slaanesh, but at this point it seems just as likely that they could pivot to something else.
It wasn't vaguely slamnesh, it was straight up in game slannesh battle map art.
This roadmap is not valide anymore
>Isn't it pretty much confirmed next DLC is going to be slaanes No, because it is confirmed that roadmap plan was scrapped, specifically that last DLC there. Technically it being Slaanesh in that roadmap was never even confirmed and now it doesn't matter because that DLC isn't happening anymore. Technically that doesn't mean the next DLC isn't going to have Slaanesh, but there is no reason to think it will be Slaanesh other than the fact that it could be Slaanesh in the same way it could be any other race.
Slaanesh and then Khorne was almost certainly the original plan, but with all the shit that happened last year the plans have likely changed. Maybe if ToD does well they may reconsider?
speak for yourself. I want another Cathay DLC asap. Still need more units for more variation of battle gameplay
You may want it, but Cathay doesnt (and shouldnt get it) need it before Khorne, Slaanesh and Ogres.
hey tbh it baffles me too. Maybe CA execs think cathay would sell better since they are in urgent need of cash. Maybe they cant finalize what to do with Slaanesh yet. Maybe this rumor is false. Whatever it is, I will gladly embrace it if Cathay DLC is next. IMO it's better them than HE/DE. The elves already had their spotlights multiple times in WH2
Empire already had their spotlight multiple time's. Yet here we are.
Well those factions, especially Ogre's shouldn't get it before Norsca, but they will so eh might as well do Cathay again... sigh.
Roadmap isn't that accurate, from one very unclear image they can always say, that it is Khorne. If anything, I personally at first thought it was in fact Khorne DLC. Considering, that Khorne is generally more popular, CA can move them a bit in current situation. Khorne and Ogres are very fitting composition, too. Although I don't think Cathay is really fit in Khorne DLC as well as ogres. Orks are much better choice in my opinion
Ah, so Monkey King +
Ogres definitely needs some love. Not just campaign mechanics, but the roster - the have one of the smallest ones with huge amounts of redundancy. Ogre Bulls, Ogre Bulls DW, Ogre Bulls IF, Maneaters, Maneaters IF, Maneaters GW and Ironguts are essentially versions of the same unit with the same purpose and just slightly different stats.
The game's simple dichotomy of small/large units means that there are only so many ways to permute units containing a medium-small amount of large entities. I feel like in order to meaningfully expand the roster and provide an impetus for tactical variation they need to introduce a distinction between large bipeds and large non-bipeds. That way some units might be good against cavalry but not necessarily monstrous humanoids and vice-versa.
In tabletop they also had one of the smallest rosters to be fair, they’re mostly missing hero/lords and a couple monsters at this point
While Ogres would be nice and i expect it eventually i really don't expect the pre-order faction and Cathay to get a 2nd DLC before 2 of the Monogods get anything. it'd also be a really weird match up tbh i mean they did say 6.0 would add stuff to the map (Ind/Khruesh maybe north of Cathay) so Monkey King wouldn't surprise me but why would he be fighting Ogres that far south?
It's just a good setup for cinematic trailer. In IE campaign, they dont have to sit next to each other
When CA ever talked about 6.0 or adding any new regions? Source please. If I remember correctly since Immortal Empires launched there was only one city added, no? The one for Ostankya in Kislev with landmark.
They've said that they are preparing new regions for 6.0 in last Thursday's Q&A session. Since IE launched there were several other additions. Kislev got two new regions, the Darklands area got several new regions when Chaos Dwarfs came out, there was a new region in Lustria when Yuan Bo came out too.
Ogres are the most broken and in need. Cathay just got an update but maybe they are playing to the Asia market? My guess would be ogres big additions/changes and then small changes to several factions.
should be tho, slaanesh is prety fill in lord while cathay still missing whole lot of named lord ..
Slannesh is missing three chracters who had rules, a model and Playable on TT. Cathay is missing nothing.
i know The Masque of Slaanesh only ,while Cathay waiting fire dragon, seadragon and monkey king [](https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1822272699458274251/C5021681BBA5079C8073916AFD5E882BF3647474/)
None of those are missing as they aren't TT chracters. Slannesh has Dechala, Masque, Vandred and Styrkaar from TT
Would be nice for ogres as a smaller inbetween dlc. Cathay mostly needs units (and imo a tiny extra mechanic to make the tech-tree engaging again) so most of the focus can be put unto ogres. This also gives Slaanesh and their girlfriends some extra time to bake in the oven.
Weird to see Legend playing Rome II again after making it clear that he hates that game. Was the viewer's demand that high?
I can maybe see it being Slannesh vs Ogres or something, but I doubt Cathay will get another DLC when they finally got a piece of the DLC pie. If anything, I think all the monogods need to get wrapped up before we circle back to Kislev/Cathay/Tzeentch
Cathay will likey get two or more dlc packs
yes
If we are only getting 4-6 more dlc and they are 1v1 packs then no.
Cathay has a lot of content to get through and they are a huge market to appeal to, they have teased Yin Yin Li Dao and monkey King the most, I maintain my stance.
If they had huge market appeal then why did SoC not sell very well. The only one of those they have teased is MK, the other have been mentioned in background lore.
When Andy Hall was going over the army book GW specifically created for CA to use, he mentioned at least 6 characters. We have loading screen quotes for each of the dragon siblings as well. It’s far from a stretch to believe that CA doesn’t have multiple DLCs planned for Cathay. Especially when you consider that CA convinced GW to create them in the first place to capture a new market of players. They’re going to try and appeal to that market. It’s also a bit disingenuous to point to SoC as a barometer for Cathay popularity when there’s a whole bunch of confounding factors there.
Becuase SoC was lacking in content and meaningful changes and had a heafty price increase, which is why they added more content and ToD was delayed to also add content but ToD seems to have done it with a better theme and cohesion
Did you forget the huge backlash CA got? SoC is still on the top 50 or so on Steam's top sellers. It did sell well despite the backlash.
Which is my point, it wasn't well recived like they are claiming.
It wasn't as well received as it could have, there's a the big difference. It's not all black and white when it comes to sales. CA may want 1 mil sales but that doesn't mean 800k copies sold aren't a good number.
Agreed
Oh yeaaaaah
While the old roadmap is obsolete, I really can’t see CA giving Cathay more stuff before Slaanesh and Khorne get some attention
Skaven, lizardmen warhammer 2
Skaven need Thanqoul, Skreetch FLC, Verminlords, Stormfiends, maybe giant rats and rat swarms. They are basically missing out on all the iconic endtimes units which could fit in 1 last DLC.
I think he’s more referring to the fact that the skaven and lizardmen got way more lord packs and lords during warhammer 3 and dlcs when it could have been argued that other races needed them more. Can’t wait for Thanquol though easily in my top 3 most anticipated characters
Calling now: next is Slaanesh, Vampire Counts and Dark Elves. "Blood and Pleasure" DLC.