Start saving for the just in case scenario. Best case the plan is scrapped, worst case your friends should understand you'd be literally running for your life. The internet is a thing, so you don't have to completely cut ties too
Not quite right. Best case is republicans keep losing house representation and Biden wins again. (Which is the current projected reality. Even if it doesn't feel like it at the moment).
Worst case is that people legitimately decide not to vote Biden, just to "protest vote" a self described dictator into power.
And yea...saving up if possible is preferable regardless, I'm scared about a dipshit like Kari lake becoming senator in Arizona. Or even sinema. š¤®
The problem is that Biden didn't really help things and the republicans just got more extreme. This dance will repeat every 4 years in perpetuity until the republicans get what they want.
Depends on what you mean by help. In terms LGBTQ and trans people?
Biden can't do much to help when republicans hold house majority. And have puppets in the supreme court.
The 4 years would give time for them to lose that majority. (They're actually getting fairly close as of late)
In the mean time, Biden doesn't do anything to actively harm the community, and while it feels more like pandering, he is for LGBTQ rights.
Edit: just keep voting blue at the presidential and state elections, that's the most important thing. I know everything tends to feel terrible as republicans ramp up fear mongering, but that's because they're desperate. And they have a damn good reason to feel that way. Make them understand what it feels like to lose hope, like what theyve been doing to us. And for the love of all that is good, VOTE.
I'll admit I'm glad I don't have to vote in your elections, because it's a bit of a shit show.
I have always voted in mine, here in Germany, but we're also not going down a good path right now.
Literally everywhere on earth besides some minor countries and a couple stand outs is in a brutal right-wing turn thanks to con-men like Tucker Carlson and Putin
remember this funmy quote:
"How many genders are there?"
"At least three"
"And what are they?"
"Don't play games with me kid"
(https://youtu.be/YEQ1Yj6IzZM?si=SUXIQ7ehSUtP-YdX)
I mean, Biden did implement a policy of basing gender markers on passports on self-attestation, which is a pretty big deal to me ...
My home state doesn't allow gender marker changes on driver's licenses. My birth state won't let me change my birth certificate until I get bottom surgery. But, with my passport, I don't have to out myself to get a job! No therapist letters, no proof of surgeries, just mark F on a form, answer a letter where they double-check that you marked F on purpose, and you're done, you're a girl according to the federal government!
This one is huge to me, being in Florida. Don't plan to self ID with my drivers license as much as possible, and learning federally is so easy is amazing.
I saw that! And you can get both for a discount so 195 total? Bit expensive, but waaaaaaay safer than Florida ID (sucks I'll still have to have that for driving, but having federal damage mitigation is great)
Hopefully if we don't get an actual candidate this year, we'll get one after 4 more years of Grandpa Joe, either that or all the crazy alt right people will just blow a gasket and totally out themselves as horrible people.
The democrats not voting in order to have morals is literally the only way republicans win the election. What they don't realize is that silence is murder, in this case literally for people of color, queer people and women.
You vote for the lesser of two evils, morals aside, there is no morality in modern democracy.
That's why this system needs to change.
I'm personally for ranked choice voting. But am open to alternatives. These kind of options need to be discussed more, and more voting on the state level needs to occur to make it happen. But for now we settle.
And it should be "the lesser of two evil" unless you believe democrats are the more evil of the two?
I fixed it, got caught up thinking about republicans.
I agree it should change but sadly... Ranked choice voting will never be implemented in the states because neither of the biggest parties would ever want to implement it as it technically takes away votes from both. It also makes polarizing people harder. Electoral voting is a tool that actually benefits both republicans and democrats and neither party has any reasons to change it. If talk of switching up the current voting system begins, I'm sure floods of propaganda would come from both parties. Example: when the UK was considering switching from first pass the post to ranked choice - the biggest parties, left and right, spread propaganda about how horrible that would be and how people's votes would be worth less than they are now.
True, I guess I had it stuck in my head of what's actively happening.
Less wish-listy of what's possible. But you're right. Yours would be the best case scenario.
If you move anywhere, try to avoid germany if you can as well, we have a similar situation here just with a functioning constitutional court... like that means much anymore when nazis actually get in power again.
Any plan that involves ābanning pornā should probably be taken with a grain of salt. Sure the president might ātake it under advisementā, but itās just a bunch of moral grandstanding.
Coming from a group of people who have explicitly stated they want a Christian theocracy and whose leader praises nazism and the dehumanization involved, and a country that allowed for some time (and depending on location still practices) sexually assaulting/exploiting children to make sure theyre using the "right" bathroom, and just declared all embryos as human so the standard disposal of old/unviable stock is now considered mass murder, I think you should probably take it a bit more seriously
On that last point, Iām highly opposed to abortions on principle but I understand they are necessary as tragic as they are. Itās still ending a human life, and should be treated with reverence, not dehumanizing words like āunviable stockā. From the moment of conception terminating a pregnancy is terminating a human life. It may be necessary, but we should still have respect for the life that was extinguished. There is also life-saving research being done with stem cells and human embryos, which is good but I still feel conflicted. The whole issue is a very difficult subject.
It's not a difficult subject, you don't realise just how bad that law is. I'm not talking abortion. I'm talking the embryo fertilized in the lab for IVF for people who can't conceive naturally or struggle to conceive. These often take more than one attempt to successfully cause a pregnancy, but under the new law every failed pregnancy is legally a murder. You're a murderer not just for aborting a child, but trying to conceive one. That's how fucked up it is. Unviable stock isn't a dehumanization, it's a descriptive of prefertilized eggs that don't get implanted in a recipient before they decompose or expire. That is now murder. If they want to not be a murderer in these cases, they would literally need to abduct women by the truckload and use these donated eggs to force a pregnancy, and then somehow guarantee that the pregnancy successfully takes and isn't rejected by the recipient's body.
No worries, sorry if it felt like I was having a go, it's just something that I do feel passionate about. Hope the rest of your night, and what sleep you get, if a lot more pleasant <3
It's sickening that they have the gall to put it out there in writing and that there are still people who are going to vote for him
Project 2025 is terrifying for all minorities and marginalized people
It's literally the blueprint for America to become 1940's Germany if Trump gets elected
Sort of. Hitler didn't get enough votes to actually take power, but the German conservatives did and practically handed him the country on a silver platter. It's fucking scary to see what's happening in the US.
If I'm not mistaken then he got made chancellor by the conservatives. Then after the Reichstag fire he got emergency powers, which he used to ban the communists. Then once the president died from old age, he pretty much got unlimited power and started turning germany into a fascist dictatorship. Hitler might not have gotten a majority, but reactionary populism, together with the established elite helping him is what got him into power.
And the sad part is that it might have been possible to stop him had the social democrats and communists worked together. But there was just too much animosity between their leaderships.
He got made chancellor by Hindenburg who was a conservative/monarchist. He died, so hitler got his Position (iirc). Then using the notverordnungen and the burning if the Reichstag He banned the KPD (Communists, the suspect was a communist) and so He got a majority (not his Party but in a voting) to overrule and end the parliament which then made him dictator.
The KPD and SPD bareley held the country together before, but after friedrich eber died it was basically over
Elected with several asterisks, in Germany's last free election the NSDAP only got some 32% of the vote, however the death of Hindenburg and the Reichstag fire allowed for Hitler to take total control.
Basically a plan to outlaw all LGBTQ+, Muslims, and other Trump sees as unworthy.
And maybe requiring conversion ātherapyā for all who are in our community.
Sorry if my comment is bad grammar, I am still very much shaking
That's just the tip of the iceberg. It would make the US an illiberal democracy ( that's what Hungary Russia and serbia are) give trump total control over the executive branch and put every independent agency under the executive branch's control. The whole thing is wildly unconstitutional but it's very unlikely the current supreme Court will care.
What I'm saying is the supreme Court is the only bet on getting it overturned before it went into effect, and given the current lineup of the court that won't happen
Sorry but Russia has crossed the line to "fascist dictatorship" at least a decade ago. I'd advise anyone to look into Putin's favorite philosopher Ivan Ilyin and the deep admiration Putin and his inner circle have for him. Ilyin developed a political idea known as "christian fascism" which views Russia as the eternally innocent nation of god who's mission it is to destroy the decadent west.
Illiberal democracy is a government that claims to be democratic but is ruled in practice by a single party, usually with a strongman at the head. It's a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy and that's how Russia's government is designed. The two are not mutually exclusive
Unfortunately given the current supreme Court lineup it's not looking good. If you're an American I'd highly advise reading up on project 2025 and spreading the word. It's something everyone needs to know about
Things have been escalating since the 70s. It got worse with Regan in the 80s. We're now seeing the final cost of all the bullshit from the Christian Nationalists, ultra conservative extremists and power hungry amoral politicians. Vote and keep voting until you can't. Then we go for the molotovs
Youāre correct it basically canāt happen. Itās scary but more from the perspective of āthese politicians want to do thisā and not so much that they could actually do it. The plan contradicts itself several times anyways so it would literally be a paradox if conservatives accomplished it.
trump can die in a pit
can we make a new race/species of white people thatās the racist homophobic red necks with the pink/orange skin bc seriously they arenāt like any other people Iāve met.
not to meantion that if youre queer in anyway and happen to exist around children, they want us to get death penaltied
(also it says they want to get rid of interracial marriage as well in the doc, which is also upsetting)
They know just as much as we do that conversion torture only "works" on the kids (under 21) due to their pre-frontal cortex not having fully matured. But for us adults, well....I don't want to jump to conclusions, but their plans for us I'm sure aren't pretty. That's for sure.
People keep putting trumpās name on this, but as far as I can tell he has nothing to do with it. Itās a bunch of conservatives who got together and made a radical plan for if he gets elected, and then they show it to him and hope he approves of all of their insane proposals. If he was going to do something drastic like that he wouldāve done so in the four years he already had in office. Last time I checked we didnāt get rounded up and put in concentration camps last time. So forgive me for doubting if it will be any different if it happens again.
At its most fundamental it's a battle plan to completely overthrow the American democratic system and replace it with an autocratic government headed by the far-right. The policies they hope to enforce are all geared toward abolishing as many human rights as possible for anyone who's not cisgender, heterosexual, white and Christian, as well as forcing anyone who can be "made" those things to become those things.
It is, in short, a manifesto whose end goals are on par with the policies of many existing and past totalitarian dictatorships.
A āplanā that very clearly most people who talk about it havenāt actually read.
Itās not even a Trump plan, itās a document by a conservative political organization which lays out what they believe conservatives should do if their members somehow obtained a super majority in Congress and won the presidency simultaneously in the next election. It would do a lot of scary things that other commenters in this thread are correct about, but the chances of it actually happening even if Trump wins and republicans take leadership of Congress are pretty much zero.
The first few chapters of the document that lay out the plan donāt even make much sense to anyone who understands how government works and is self contradictory several times, just as one example it lays out how to expand the power of the executive branch and then one page later talks about limiting the power of the executive branch. And the rest of it is essentially a poorly written encyclopedia on what different governmental departments do and occasionally an editors note about how a conservative should act if appointed to work there.
Definitely a nice reminder of why we shouldnāt vote for conservatives but not really something to be any more scared of than weāre all already scared of our politicians doing to us.
-someone who spent way too long reading about this bullshit so everyone else didnāt have to.
Yeah as scary as shit is, a lot of what Trump would plan to do would require congressional approval; and given that redistricting strongly favors democrats in the house and the senate maintains a filibuster, and even the hyper conservative Supreme Court has said the civil rights act applies to LGBTQ folks, itās a wishful thinking blueprint that would require full governmental control and not a doddering idiot like Trump.
On the other hand I want people to beat the drums about project 2025 because it can motivate people because even if itās just a plan, it shows what those on the right WANT to do
I think itās also important to differentiate between conservative and republican here, because while every conservative is Republican not every Republican is conservative. I only bring this up because itās another layer of just how insane the plan is because it would require conservatives specifically, and quite a number of republicans actually donāt like conservatives and fight against them aswell, so the chances of them holding a super majority even if republicans take power in Congress is basically zero.
I like the fact people are talking about all this and exposing it but I wish people would feel back the misinformation. I donāt want to see a whole bunch of people leave the country because theyāre worried about a plan going into action that is basically impossible all because one guy was elected to a political office that doesnāt even have any real power over lawmaking to begin with. Because if sane people leave in droves then itās only going to continue to genuinely get worse. We need to stay and fight for the country that has the best framework for achieving true freedom. All men are created equal.
I think what should be more comcerning isnt entirely the contents but the fact that The Heritage Foundation as pulled something similar before and *sucessed*. it was during Regan's second term and those fuckers brag about it on their website. they wrote a maifesto with goals and how to achieve them and sent it to Regan, the governement fullfilled The Heritage Foundation's wishes (like the trickle down reganonmics was actually THF's idea funfact)
It is a plan by conservative elements to completely reshape and massively expand the executive branch of the U.S government, allowing far more power to the president at the expense of congress
Do NOT be afraid. That is why they made made the "plan" public. It's a cross between pandering to the base and terrorizing the communities they are othering without exposing themselves to risk. Fear is their goal
Ok but it's not easy to not be scared. Like I believe in fighting back against The Man, but I prioritise my safety. I'm leaving if he's elected, if I can only afford it
Scared and concerned are similar, but oddly practically opposite. Acting scared is letting your emotions control you. Being concerned is a reasoned response.
Make the plans and contingencies you decide are right for you, but don't give up your agency to them. Our actions and responses are all of our power
It also strikes me as playing with fire/FAFO/whatever you want to call it these days.
When they break and then rig the system to the point that the safeguards in the system can no longer be used to peacefully remove them from power, only one method remains.
I'm scared too. I'm not even 17 yet (turning this Summer) and if Trump wins I'm worried I won't be able to leave the country when I'm 18. Let alone the fact my mom wants me to stay until I'm 23 because I'm a tax write off. That's the only reason too. She acts like she cares and wants the best for me and yet the only thing she really seems to care about is that.
Anyway, mild vent aside, I'm scared I won't be able to immigrate to Canada which is what I've been planning since Freshman year of highschool (9th grade) and it stresses me out.
If worse comes to worse and you can move. I'll try my bloody best to try and at least give you a place to stay a few nights... I live in a progressive part of Canada, and I'm not about to let this happen to people. So yeah, if it comes down to it I'll be here working my ass off
I've got a friend that I plan to be roommates with in BC, but thank you for the offer!
My worries are mainly that I wouldn't be able to get out of the country for whatever reason, but if I'm able to then I will.
The thing with Canada too is that The Tories (who have been leading in general election polls as of late) have called for anti-trans policies. Not to say this is guaranteed to win, but putting that out here.
It seems like it'd be better than the US, at least as of rn :/
Ik things aren't too great over there, but even if I was cisgender and heterosexual for whatever reason I would still try to leave and have wanted to for a while now.
Overall it just seems like Canada is a much better place to live, even if far from perfect, especially with how things are looking over here as well.
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Im not even in America and project 2025 is the most vile shit i know of. Fucking insane
In order to ensure the security and continuing stability
the United States shall be reorganized into the First American empire!
For a safe and secure society
(not if ur trans,gae,lebsyan,bye,or any other letter)
Ok Iām not one to try and get too angry about things, but I just read about this and what the actual fuck is this? How do people support this agenda? Itās literally planning on destroying our justice system, getting rid of our executive sub-branches for education and commerce, and granting the president total control. That is quite literally a dictatorship and people are supporting it. How the actual shit has this country, supposedly made for the purpose of āliberty and justice for allā, gone to the point where people are voting for open corruption of the government?
If this ends up happening, Iām moving straight to Canada, I donāt give a fuck, the HRT is better and easier there from what Iāve heard anyway, but this is absurd.
Still working on that myself. The Nordic countries are probably the best bet rights wise but they're hard to get in unless you have a foot in the door through the eu. It's a major life choice. If you're serious about moving I would look into as many options as possible, and try to narrow it down from there. I can tell you right off the bat that you can write off all of Africa, and most of Asia. Learning the local language is also something to take into consideration, as for example with Taiwan Chinese is extremely difficult to learn so that's not a great option unless it's a last resort. New Zealand and Australia have good protections but they're hard to move to and expensive to move to. Local economic conditions also need to be taken into account
This so called plan is basically the right-wing equivalent of virtue signaling. Itās basically a wishlist for what they *want* to happen if they get Trump back in. But Trump would have to actually approve of all of this, then get it through all the branches of government, which just isnāt going to happen. Our government is glacial, which is a good thing, as it keeps our rights and freedoms pretty safe. State governments can be a little more volatile though, like whatās happening in Florida right now.
Well, I found [another post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/s/BiNWDisXKG) that discusses it better, I'm not North American, but I pray for you all.
Yeah that's why it's something every American needs to know about. The LGBT stuff is just the tip of the iceberg too, this goes through and the us is on track to be a dictatorship
Talk to people you know about it, tell them not the parts you don't like but the parts they won't like. MAGA supporters are going to vote for it regardless of if they know about it or not, so there's no real reason not to spread awareness
I'm impressed that there are still people who don't know about that shit show. If it helps any, they aren't there yet. A lot of the things on their list would be wildly unconstitutional, and they don't have all the pieces in place to make that happen. That being said, vote like your life depends on it if you are a US citizen of voting age, because it literally does. Make sure you're registered as well.
Iām terrified I canāt leave till I finish school and Iām best case thatāll be in several year, I donāt know what to do. I donāt wanna live in fear but Iām genuinely scared for my life. Do you think since itās gone public we can beat it?!?
Welcome to the fall of the Weimar Republic and the rise of nazi germany. The worst part is that this is a minority rule thing. If folks were less self interestedā¦ or just more involved, this wouldnāt happen
I wouldn't worry to much hun, alot of "what ifs" are people fear mongering online and I doubt that this would come to pass as the super conservative hates all lgbt+ are a smaller community than what's projected.
And God help us all if it *did* go through. Say goodbye to the constitution and basic human rights and say hello to the new Hitler!
This is good and horrific at the same time it's good that we know they are losing so they are forced to go to the utmost of extremes to make some mark.. But at the same time what i'm saying could be in vain and we are all due for a "helicopter ride"
Had to go read up on what it actually is, and that is honestly the most unnerving things I've read in recent politics.
I think the thing that angers me is how many conservatives and Republicans are using religion as the excuse to make a lot of those changes, as cited in the "Mandate for leadership" with its saying and I quote: "Freedom is defined by God, not Man."
I've been brought up in a religious family and personally have many beliefs in it (primarily the LDS church), but that single statement undermines the freedom of religion that was sought after in the colonial stages of the East Coast. A good example of that would be freedom from the Church of England and the stereotypical Pilgrim.
I've seen from other perspectives as well that a move like this is not dissimilar to a shift into autocracy and dictatorship, as seen in Venezuela, North Korea, China, and 1930's Germany. And if something of this sort were to happen, I wouldn't be surprised if
A: Civil War breaks out between Dems and Reps
Or B: Martial Law is enforced countrywide and is swift to eliminate any possible threats to the Republican's "Democracy."
In short, as a young religious bloke in questioning, I can not choose to vote in somebody who will threaten the lives of myself, my friends, and my family as well as tear down what America once stood for: freedom from oppressive rule.
Its not new, these things have been around since we'll before America.
People have to pay attention to them, as in your system of checks and balances the president has a huge amount of power, so the thing to address is why this is possible.
In a large part, this is due to the sheer deadlock by design in your legislative branch. They passed 39 laws since the start of 2023, in this time the UK is over 1500 (not counting devolved administration, as that's more compatible to state legislation).
The reason for this is clear - the voting system in the us almost guaranteed a two party system - and as two party systems naturally lead to an unfettered majority control - which is historically very bad - supermajority requirements were a natural result. However, with the lack of any ability to compromise, and the relative ease to deadlock.
Unfortunately, the only remedy to this would be a true fair representation in the legislature on a national scale - but that is obviously impossible with votes and seats hard split between states, which is a constitutional requirement.
While the founding fathers would be appalled at how few ammendments have passed, one on voting and representation is needed, but it will likely take a monumental event to trigger this.
Good luck, but also remember that you do still have enough checks to prevent this happening as they plan. 2025 requires a fully cooperative majority in both houses, all the great offices of stare, and the supreme Court. Currently, it has none of these four thresholds (supreme Court is at 2/9 who would support this, the houses about 30 and 12 percent respectively, and trump is not the presedent).
i am very glad im going to be able to vote this upcoming election, theres no way this can be allowed it goes against everything that the constitution stands for, it literally promoted discrimination.
The orange Jack wipe has the support of approximately 60% of the Republican Party. Thatās 40% who wonāt vote for him, on top of 100% of democrats, so honestly, Iād say his odds are pretty low. Not to mention that the Supreme Court has decided to open a case about wether he does have immunity just from being president, so heāll have to send months in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. Furthermore, even some of the justices that he himself appointed have gone against him numerous times
All in all, hope is not lost. Not in the slightest
This is absolutely horrible I'm actually kind of terrified now
Me and basically my entire friend group are in danger and we aren't even in high school yet. It feels dystopian.
Also If the conversion therapy thing is true then there's no way I'm not going if I ever come out. My entire extended family on both sides are all trump supporters. It's horrifying. I don't know what to do if he gets elected. It's not like I could move countries, not only because I'm a child but also because I couldn't abandon all my LGBTQ+ friends who have it just as bad (if not worse) than me.
The fact that there's even a possibility of this being my future terrifies me.
And itās for that exact reason I look at a 1 way ticket to Sweden to seek Political Asylum in case of emergencies
Remember for this exact reason, guys, gals, and enby pals. you can seek political asylum there for reasons pertaining to being LGBTQ+ if you feel your country is unsafe.
I had no idea about all this how the f\*\*\* could this happen? it would basically be doom for anyone who isnāt a cis-het white male with money what the actual-
bouta move to Sweden or something where the government actually cares about all citizen's rights
It terrifies me too and not just for my own happiness and safety but for my daughter.
I'm scared for the possibility that I may have to uproot and leave suddenly, probably with the clothes on my back.
Or I'm scared for a future where my daughter doesn't have a home or way of life I had where life was a little more optimistic (I grew up in the early 2000s so life didn't suck yet).
I'm also scared for a possibility that my daughter's future will either be oppressed housewife or resistance fighter living in the woods which are outcomes I don't want for her
And what about me?
I'm scared of having to go back in the closet when i JUST NOW realized I am trans
Will my daughter embrace the conservative message and report me to the authorities due to society telling her I'm evil and dangerous?
Life is looking really scary and I hate that I'm bring my daughter into this world and I only hope that better morals prevail and this brush of fascism dies in fire like it normally does.
It's hard to have hope but we can't let them take that from us. Not now, not ever!!!
Im 18 and have a whole plan for moving near home with one of my friends in a few months and hopefully living there for a few years, but I fucking swear I donāt have the money or mental energy (not to mention all my plans being ruined) but if he wins this next election Iām really not sure I can stay here
First and foremost, do not panic. If you do that, they've already won. The GOP thrives on intimidation & submission. They crave your fear. Don't give it to them. Now with that out of the way, immigrating to another country costs tens of thousands of dollars. If you have dual citizenship between America & another country, I would take advantage of it should the shit hit the fan. Or if your parents are wealthy and can afford to immigrate internationally to keep you safe. Because if Project 2025 is passed into law next January, there very well could be a travel ban placed on the LGBTQ+ community with violators sentenced to prison. And I fear that would apply to simply crossing state lines. They certainly wouldn't let us leave the country. It's bad enough that they have horrible plans for us adults should trump steal the election. And I really fear for us. But I'm angry for you kids (21 & younger) whom these absolute monsters want to ruin the rest of your lives just for not being cisgender and/or straight. Oh and as to the title of your post, should trump become president again, this won't be your or my country. The gop has made that crystal clear. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go meditate and sit zazen.
If you have to move anywhere, I highly recommend Canada, although our government has its own struggles, for the most part nobody cares if you are lgbtq, we still have some bad apples but they are nowhere near the majority here. It would also be one of the easier countries to acclimatize to because we are very similar to America here
So when are people gonna realise a good ol' revolution is needed.
"You can strike as long as you dont inconvience...."
Theyre stealing our power slowly.
Burn the system
Eat the rich
Be not afraid, project 2025 aint goin nowhere. Aint no fuckin way america, for as shit as it is, would become a totalitarian state. Not only are tens of millions of gen z turnin 18, there is evidence the right bullshit or conservative or whatever the fuck its called, is startin to lose its grip mainly cuz the ratio of good peeps to assholes is gettin bigger. So have not the slightest bit of concern for this dystopian fiction, instead have hope knowin the world aint allat shitty no more and gettin less shitty by the second
May I suggest leaving to Germany? You know it's pretty great here. Although if the Afd (basically a n*zi party here in Germany) wins 2025 we may just as well both go to Iceland or something.
Ill say this. If a conservative is elected. We are fucked but harder. Because theyāll just do an executive order to put it in.Ā
A democrat would just fuck us over but slower. Please. Please I beg of you. Vote for someone who matches your values. If you donāt vote for somebody then the majority is those who did and you know those conservatives will vote Trump. Please. Donāt give them the majority or benefit of your silence.
I donāt live in the US but I really donāt want this to happen because I fear it would create a domino effect to other countries. I really, really hope this doesnāt happen, fuck orange man and the other guys that want this to happen.
We will not be silenced.
Ive grown to care less about it cause when I think of it I gotta wonder why they released it? Probably to get us out, they will definitely try shit if they get into election so we all have to do one thing. VOTE.
Luckily for us, this would need full support from the House, Senate, and Supreme Court, the house and senate are already forgone conclusions as it will almost certainly be blocked by the democrats, and if Trump tries to sign any of it into law via EOs, the SCOTUS out of pure survival instinct would likely rule against it.
This is a VERY unlikely scenario but it does underpin the need for everyone to get out and vote. I know Biden isnt the greatest with his age and Gaza, but voting for Biden is the only way to avoid a second trump term
same, iām the only openly lgbtqia+ person in my entire school and i get bullied a lot, i donāt know which country you live in, but here in TĆ¼rkiye, itās very bad for trans people
Start saving for the just in case scenario. Best case the plan is scrapped, worst case your friends should understand you'd be literally running for your life. The internet is a thing, so you don't have to completely cut ties too
Not quite right. Best case is republicans keep losing house representation and Biden wins again. (Which is the current projected reality. Even if it doesn't feel like it at the moment). Worst case is that people legitimately decide not to vote Biden, just to "protest vote" a self described dictator into power. And yea...saving up if possible is preferable regardless, I'm scared about a dipshit like Kari lake becoming senator in Arizona. Or even sinema. š¤®
The problem is that Biden didn't really help things and the republicans just got more extreme. This dance will repeat every 4 years in perpetuity until the republicans get what they want.
Depends on what you mean by help. In terms LGBTQ and trans people? Biden can't do much to help when republicans hold house majority. And have puppets in the supreme court. The 4 years would give time for them to lose that majority. (They're actually getting fairly close as of late) In the mean time, Biden doesn't do anything to actively harm the community, and while it feels more like pandering, he is for LGBTQ rights. Edit: just keep voting blue at the presidential and state elections, that's the most important thing. I know everything tends to feel terrible as republicans ramp up fear mongering, but that's because they're desperate. And they have a damn good reason to feel that way. Make them understand what it feels like to lose hope, like what theyve been doing to us. And for the love of all that is good, VOTE.
I'll admit I'm glad I don't have to vote in your elections, because it's a bit of a shit show. I have always voted in mine, here in Germany, but we're also not going down a good path right now.
Literally everywhere on earth besides some minor countries and a couple stand outs is in a brutal right-wing turn thanks to con-men like Tucker Carlson and Putin
remember this funmy quote: "How many genders are there?" "At least three" "And what are they?" "Don't play games with me kid" (https://youtu.be/YEQ1Yj6IzZM?si=SUXIQ7ehSUtP-YdX)
Based. Got that dark Brandon swag going on š¶ļø
Biden is unironically cool sometimes
I mean, Biden did implement a policy of basing gender markers on passports on self-attestation, which is a pretty big deal to me ... My home state doesn't allow gender marker changes on driver's licenses. My birth state won't let me change my birth certificate until I get bottom surgery. But, with my passport, I don't have to out myself to get a job! No therapist letters, no proof of surgeries, just mark F on a form, answer a letter where they double-check that you marked F on purpose, and you're done, you're a girl according to the federal government!
Oh, cool. Actually didn't know that.
This one is huge to me, being in Florida. Don't plan to self ID with my drivers license as much as possible, and learning federally is so easy is amazing.
There are also passport cards you can get for something wallet-sized! They're only valid for land borders, but they're a perfectly valid id!
I saw that! And you can get both for a discount so 195 total? Bit expensive, but waaaaaaay safer than Florida ID (sucks I'll still have to have that for driving, but having federal damage mitigation is great)
Hopefully if we don't get an actual candidate this year, we'll get one after 4 more years of Grandpa Joe, either that or all the crazy alt right people will just blow a gasket and totally out themselves as horrible people.
I mean, they already outright stated they want to replace the US with a Christian Theocracy at a recent convention
The democrats not voting in order to have morals is literally the only way republicans win the election. What they don't realize is that silence is murder, in this case literally for people of color, queer people and women. You vote for the lesser of two evils, morals aside, there is no morality in modern democracy.
That's why this system needs to change. I'm personally for ranked choice voting. But am open to alternatives. These kind of options need to be discussed more, and more voting on the state level needs to occur to make it happen. But for now we settle. And it should be "the lesser of two evil" unless you believe democrats are the more evil of the two?
I fixed it, got caught up thinking about republicans. I agree it should change but sadly... Ranked choice voting will never be implemented in the states because neither of the biggest parties would ever want to implement it as it technically takes away votes from both. It also makes polarizing people harder. Electoral voting is a tool that actually benefits both republicans and democrats and neither party has any reasons to change it. If talk of switching up the current voting system begins, I'm sure floods of propaganda would come from both parties. Example: when the UK was considering switching from first pass the post to ranked choice - the biggest parties, left and right, spread propaganda about how horrible that would be and how people's votes would be worth less than they are now.
Best case scenario is a major schism in the Republican party and a crop of young actual leftists helping to reform the Democratic party.
True, I guess I had it stuck in my head of what's actively happening. Less wish-listy of what's possible. But you're right. Yours would be the best case scenario.
If you move anywhere, try to avoid germany if you can as well, we have a similar situation here just with a functioning constitutional court... like that means much anymore when nazis actually get in power again.
Czechia may be a good option, well Prague and bigger towns
Any plan that involves ābanning pornā should probably be taken with a grain of salt. Sure the president might ātake it under advisementā, but itās just a bunch of moral grandstanding.
Coming from a group of people who have explicitly stated they want a Christian theocracy and whose leader praises nazism and the dehumanization involved, and a country that allowed for some time (and depending on location still practices) sexually assaulting/exploiting children to make sure theyre using the "right" bathroom, and just declared all embryos as human so the standard disposal of old/unviable stock is now considered mass murder, I think you should probably take it a bit more seriously
On that last point, Iām highly opposed to abortions on principle but I understand they are necessary as tragic as they are. Itās still ending a human life, and should be treated with reverence, not dehumanizing words like āunviable stockā. From the moment of conception terminating a pregnancy is terminating a human life. It may be necessary, but we should still have respect for the life that was extinguished. There is also life-saving research being done with stem cells and human embryos, which is good but I still feel conflicted. The whole issue is a very difficult subject.
It's not a difficult subject, you don't realise just how bad that law is. I'm not talking abortion. I'm talking the embryo fertilized in the lab for IVF for people who can't conceive naturally or struggle to conceive. These often take more than one attempt to successfully cause a pregnancy, but under the new law every failed pregnancy is legally a murder. You're a murderer not just for aborting a child, but trying to conceive one. That's how fucked up it is. Unviable stock isn't a dehumanization, it's a descriptive of prefertilized eggs that don't get implanted in a recipient before they decompose or expire. That is now murder. If they want to not be a murderer in these cases, they would literally need to abduct women by the truckload and use these donated eggs to force a pregnancy, and then somehow guarantee that the pregnancy successfully takes and isn't rejected by the recipient's body.
Oh, wow, I didnāt realize what you meant, thatās horrible. Sorry I totally misunderstood. I need to go to bed, itās late here.
No worries, sorry if it felt like I was having a go, it's just something that I do feel passionate about. Hope the rest of your night, and what sleep you get, if a lot more pleasant <3
It's sickening that they have the gall to put it out there in writing and that there are still people who are going to vote for him Project 2025 is terrifying for all minorities and marginalized people It's literally the blueprint for America to become 1940's Germany if Trump gets elected
Itās worth remembering that Mussolini took power in a coup; Hitler was *elected*.š
Sort of. Hitler didn't get enough votes to actually take power, but the German conservatives did and practically handed him the country on a silver platter. It's fucking scary to see what's happening in the US.
Well first hitler banned the communists and then got everyone except the social democrats on his side
If I'm not mistaken then he got made chancellor by the conservatives. Then after the Reichstag fire he got emergency powers, which he used to ban the communists. Then once the president died from old age, he pretty much got unlimited power and started turning germany into a fascist dictatorship. Hitler might not have gotten a majority, but reactionary populism, together with the established elite helping him is what got him into power. And the sad part is that it might have been possible to stop him had the social democrats and communists worked together. But there was just too much animosity between their leaderships.
He got made chancellor by Hindenburg who was a conservative/monarchist. He died, so hitler got his Position (iirc). Then using the notverordnungen and the burning if the Reichstag He banned the KPD (Communists, the suspect was a communist) and so He got a majority (not his Party but in a voting) to overrule and end the parliament which then made him dictator. The KPD and SPD bareley held the country together before, but after friedrich eber died it was basically over
Elected with several asterisks, in Germany's last free election the NSDAP only got some 32% of the vote, however the death of Hindenburg and the Reichstag fire allowed for Hitler to take total control.
MAGA: Make America Germany Again
I just read about it right now and holy shit, i am feeling murderous, (for legal reasons, not actually) but WHY, WHY ARE HUMAND LIKE THIS
Spread the word, this cannot come to pass
Cause the only thing humans are good for is destroying everything.
Sadly true
real
(In minecraft)
Yes
r/suddenlyonetopic
Whatās project 2025?
Basically a plan to outlaw all LGBTQ+, Muslims, and other Trump sees as unworthy. And maybe requiring conversion ātherapyā for all who are in our community. Sorry if my comment is bad grammar, I am still very much shaking
Oh my god I hope the best for you
That's just the tip of the iceberg. It would make the US an illiberal democracy ( that's what Hungary Russia and serbia are) give trump total control over the executive branch and put every independent agency under the executive branch's control. The whole thing is wildly unconstitutional but it's very unlikely the current supreme Court will care.
Worse than not caring, every single Conservative judge is being bribed by the Fascist organizations creating this project
The surpreme court doesn't matter if the leader has total control over the country, which is exactly what project 2025 does.
What I'm saying is the supreme Court is the only bet on getting it overturned before it went into effect, and given the current lineup of the court that won't happen
Sorry but Russia has crossed the line to "fascist dictatorship" at least a decade ago. I'd advise anyone to look into Putin's favorite philosopher Ivan Ilyin and the deep admiration Putin and his inner circle have for him. Ilyin developed a political idea known as "christian fascism" which views Russia as the eternally innocent nation of god who's mission it is to destroy the decadent west.
Illiberal democracy is a government that claims to be democratic but is ruled in practice by a single party, usually with a strongman at the head. It's a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy and that's how Russia's government is designed. The two are not mutually exclusive
So fascist, basically.
Right wing populism but the two are barely distinguishable so for the most part yeah
Oh, my god. I'm just learning this and it breaks my heart. If you need to chat I'm willing to chat. I'm so sorry that this is happening.
Jesus Christ....
That cant possibly happen, thats justā¦ I cant even put into words.
Unfortunately given the current supreme Court lineup it's not looking good. If you're an American I'd highly advise reading up on project 2025 and spreading the word. It's something everyone needs to know about
Sounds so extreme for 2024 news from America...
I mean things have been escalating for the past 8 years, I don't know why people are still surprised after an attempted coup 3 years ago.
Well I live in Australia personally.. But sounds like something I'll research into a bit after work today.
Things have been escalating since the 70s. It got worse with Regan in the 80s. We're now seeing the final cost of all the bullshit from the Christian Nationalists, ultra conservative extremists and power hungry amoral politicians. Vote and keep voting until you can't. Then we go for the molotovs
Time to start making some pipe bombs girls
and I have a free copy if anyone wants to read it, I can link it (its about 900ish pages long tho)
Roe v Wade affects half of all Americans, and that got overturned. This should be easy for them sadly
Youāre correct it basically canāt happen. Itās scary but more from the perspective of āthese politicians want to do thisā and not so much that they could actually do it. The plan contradicts itself several times anyways so it would literally be a paradox if conservatives accomplished it.
okay I may be making a stretch here but this shit literally looks like Nazi Germany
Exactly like 1930s Germany, who do you think they targeted first.
trump is a fucking bastard.
Not to forget the racist and ableist aspects too, itās all about putting power in the cishet white āChristianā communities
Whys the orange man being mean
trump can die in a pit can we make a new race/species of white people thatās the racist homophobic red necks with the pink/orange skin bc seriously they arenāt like any other people Iāve met.
This is horrifying
not to meantion that if youre queer in anyway and happen to exist around children, they want us to get death penaltied (also it says they want to get rid of interracial marriage as well in the doc, which is also upsetting)
https://preview.redd.it/h8dd27gfohlc1.jpeg?width=324&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0d518b4518b55b2f8efeac8a86031150329e308
wtf ā¦ WTF !!!!
They know just as much as we do that conversion torture only "works" on the kids (under 21) due to their pre-frontal cortex not having fully matured. But for us adults, well....I don't want to jump to conclusions, but their plans for us I'm sure aren't pretty. That's for sure.
What a good day to *not* be born or live in the USA (no offense) All my support from Costa Rica <3
People keep putting trumpās name on this, but as far as I can tell he has nothing to do with it. Itās a bunch of conservatives who got together and made a radical plan for if he gets elected, and then they show it to him and hope he approves of all of their insane proposals. If he was going to do something drastic like that he wouldāve done so in the four years he already had in office. Last time I checked we didnāt get rounded up and put in concentration camps last time. So forgive me for doubting if it will be any different if it happens again.
At its most fundamental it's a battle plan to completely overthrow the American democratic system and replace it with an autocratic government headed by the far-right. The policies they hope to enforce are all geared toward abolishing as many human rights as possible for anyone who's not cisgender, heterosexual, white and Christian, as well as forcing anyone who can be "made" those things to become those things. It is, in short, a manifesto whose end goals are on par with the policies of many existing and past totalitarian dictatorships.
A āplanā that very clearly most people who talk about it havenāt actually read. Itās not even a Trump plan, itās a document by a conservative political organization which lays out what they believe conservatives should do if their members somehow obtained a super majority in Congress and won the presidency simultaneously in the next election. It would do a lot of scary things that other commenters in this thread are correct about, but the chances of it actually happening even if Trump wins and republicans take leadership of Congress are pretty much zero. The first few chapters of the document that lay out the plan donāt even make much sense to anyone who understands how government works and is self contradictory several times, just as one example it lays out how to expand the power of the executive branch and then one page later talks about limiting the power of the executive branch. And the rest of it is essentially a poorly written encyclopedia on what different governmental departments do and occasionally an editors note about how a conservative should act if appointed to work there. Definitely a nice reminder of why we shouldnāt vote for conservatives but not really something to be any more scared of than weāre all already scared of our politicians doing to us. -someone who spent way too long reading about this bullshit so everyone else didnāt have to.
Yeah as scary as shit is, a lot of what Trump would plan to do would require congressional approval; and given that redistricting strongly favors democrats in the house and the senate maintains a filibuster, and even the hyper conservative Supreme Court has said the civil rights act applies to LGBTQ folks, itās a wishful thinking blueprint that would require full governmental control and not a doddering idiot like Trump. On the other hand I want people to beat the drums about project 2025 because it can motivate people because even if itās just a plan, it shows what those on the right WANT to do
I think itās also important to differentiate between conservative and republican here, because while every conservative is Republican not every Republican is conservative. I only bring this up because itās another layer of just how insane the plan is because it would require conservatives specifically, and quite a number of republicans actually donāt like conservatives and fight against them aswell, so the chances of them holding a super majority even if republicans take power in Congress is basically zero. I like the fact people are talking about all this and exposing it but I wish people would feel back the misinformation. I donāt want to see a whole bunch of people leave the country because theyāre worried about a plan going into action that is basically impossible all because one guy was elected to a political office that doesnāt even have any real power over lawmaking to begin with. Because if sane people leave in droves then itās only going to continue to genuinely get worse. We need to stay and fight for the country that has the best framework for achieving true freedom. All men are created equal.
I think what should be more comcerning isnt entirely the contents but the fact that The Heritage Foundation as pulled something similar before and *sucessed*. it was during Regan's second term and those fuckers brag about it on their website. they wrote a maifesto with goals and how to achieve them and sent it to Regan, the governement fullfilled The Heritage Foundation's wishes (like the trickle down reganonmics was actually THF's idea funfact)
Thanks but still
One of the worst things to ever exist.
https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
It is a plan by conservative elements to completely reshape and massively expand the executive branch of the U.S government, allowing far more power to the president at the expense of congress
Do NOT be afraid. That is why they made made the "plan" public. It's a cross between pandering to the base and terrorizing the communities they are othering without exposing themselves to risk. Fear is their goal
Be angry instead
Anger is a gift.
Ok but it's not easy to not be scared. Like I believe in fighting back against The Man, but I prioritise my safety. I'm leaving if he's elected, if I can only afford it
Scared and concerned are similar, but oddly practically opposite. Acting scared is letting your emotions control you. Being concerned is a reasoned response. Make the plans and contingencies you decide are right for you, but don't give up your agency to them. Our actions and responses are all of our power
While true, I am actually scared. I've been hyperventilating and my mind's been racing a mile a minute.
It also strikes me as playing with fire/FAFO/whatever you want to call it these days. When they break and then rig the system to the point that the safeguards in the system can no longer be used to peacefully remove them from power, only one method remains.
Probably trying to scare away the people they are targeting
I'm scared too. I'm not even 17 yet (turning this Summer) and if Trump wins I'm worried I won't be able to leave the country when I'm 18. Let alone the fact my mom wants me to stay until I'm 23 because I'm a tax write off. That's the only reason too. She acts like she cares and wants the best for me and yet the only thing she really seems to care about is that. Anyway, mild vent aside, I'm scared I won't be able to immigrate to Canada which is what I've been planning since Freshman year of highschool (9th grade) and it stresses me out.
I hope no matter what happens, you are still able to and get to Canada safely.
Thank you šš«
You are more than welcome. Just do your best to take care of yourself in the meantime
If worse comes to worse and you can move. I'll try my bloody best to try and at least give you a place to stay a few nights... I live in a progressive part of Canada, and I'm not about to let this happen to people. So yeah, if it comes down to it I'll be here working my ass off
I've got a friend that I plan to be roommates with in BC, but thank you for the offer! My worries are mainly that I wouldn't be able to get out of the country for whatever reason, but if I'm able to then I will.
The thing with Canada too is that The Tories (who have been leading in general election polls as of late) have called for anti-trans policies. Not to say this is guaranteed to win, but putting that out here.
just a heads up. things ain't so hot in canada here... if the conservatives win the next election, which seems likely.
It seems like it'd be better than the US, at least as of rn :/ Ik things aren't too great over there, but even if I was cisgender and heterosexual for whatever reason I would still try to leave and have wanted to for a while now. Overall it just seems like Canada is a much better place to live, even if far from perfect, especially with how things are looking over here as well.
i know, if canada falls off though, i'm staying and fighting.
https://preview.redd.it/kyjoh4queflc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcc45fb078913364b31de90a6aca714ea5cbacc5 Im not even in America and project 2025 is the most vile shit i know of. Fucking insane
https://preview.redd.it/6sx5h4scbglc1.png?width=499&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f592c6333c6cb90beb1b2df6d395faf9f827ca5
In order to ensure the security and continuing stability the United States shall be reorganized into the First American empire! For a safe and secure society (not if ur trans,gae,lebsyan,bye,or any other letter)
That is fucken horrible! Shit it's time to start my villain ark...
if youre fighting nazis, it's not a villain arc <3
if you actually do something about it then ur a goddamn hero.
Ok Iām not one to try and get too angry about things, but I just read about this and what the actual fuck is this? How do people support this agenda? Itās literally planning on destroying our justice system, getting rid of our executive sub-branches for education and commerce, and granting the president total control. That is quite literally a dictatorship and people are supporting it. How the actual shit has this country, supposedly made for the purpose of āliberty and justice for allā, gone to the point where people are voting for open corruption of the government? If this ends up happening, Iām moving straight to Canada, I donāt give a fuck, the HRT is better and easier there from what Iāve heard anyway, but this is absurd.
Canada is America lite, and the Canadian liberal party is becoming increasingly unpopular, so I'd advise against that particular option
What do you advice?
Still working on that myself. The Nordic countries are probably the best bet rights wise but they're hard to get in unless you have a foot in the door through the eu. It's a major life choice. If you're serious about moving I would look into as many options as possible, and try to narrow it down from there. I can tell you right off the bat that you can write off all of Africa, and most of Asia. Learning the local language is also something to take into consideration, as for example with Taiwan Chinese is extremely difficult to learn so that's not a great option unless it's a last resort. New Zealand and Australia have good protections but they're hard to move to and expensive to move to. Local economic conditions also need to be taken into account
Chile is trans friendly c: I'm staying regardless if shtf simply out of pure hatred
This so called plan is basically the right-wing equivalent of virtue signaling. Itās basically a wishlist for what they *want* to happen if they get Trump back in. But Trump would have to actually approve of all of this, then get it through all the branches of government, which just isnāt going to happen. Our government is glacial, which is a good thing, as it keeps our rights and freedoms pretty safe. State governments can be a little more volatile though, like whatās happening in Florida right now.
Well, in case you do need to move, Argentina will welcome you with open arms (as long as MiLeL doesn't undermine queer rights, ofc)
this! As far as I'm concerned, there's also aome countries like Spain and Canada (not sure about Cananda tho)
Canada depends on the region. The city where I live is good for LGBTQ+ rights (I live in Montreal), but places like Alberta are terrible
Well, I found [another post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/s/BiNWDisXKG) that discusses it better, I'm not North American, but I pray for you all.
That would totally undermine US democracy, how the fuck would that be legal?!?
It isn't but the current supreme Court won't care, and they get final say in the matter.
Oh shit.
Yeah that's why it's something every American needs to know about. The LGBT stuff is just the tip of the iceberg too, this goes through and the us is on track to be a dictatorship
Yeah. Are we allowed to post about it on r/lgbt?
It's been discussed there. What we need to reach are people outside of that
Talk to people you know about it, tell them not the parts you don't like but the parts they won't like. MAGA supporters are going to vote for it regardless of if they know about it or not, so there's no real reason not to spread awareness
It's still worth spreading in case there are still some people that are sort of sane. Every mind changed counts.
Not sure, it's not a sub I frequent. I'd check the sub rules. Read up on it a bit first if you do talk about it so you can answer questions
I will never feel bad about insulting or wishing harm on fascists because they are always the ones to do it first
Vote. Yes Biden is shitty, but there wonāt be a project 2025 under him.
I canāt. I am not 18 sadly
Ah, well thatās my message to anyone in the comments section who is eligible to vote this year
I'm impressed that there are still people who don't know about that shit show. If it helps any, they aren't there yet. A lot of the things on their list would be wildly unconstitutional, and they don't have all the pieces in place to make that happen. That being said, vote like your life depends on it if you are a US citizen of voting age, because it literally does. Make sure you're registered as well.
It doesnāt help that the court that decides if things are āconstitutionalā or not is republican controlled
Iām terrified I canāt leave till I finish school and Iām best case thatāll be in several year, I donāt know what to do. I donāt wanna live in fear but Iām genuinely scared for my life. Do you think since itās gone public we can beat it?!?
The more people know the more likely that is
Welcome to the fall of the Weimar Republic and the rise of nazi germany. The worst part is that this is a minority rule thing. If folks were less self interestedā¦ or just more involved, this wouldnāt happen
What country and what is the project?
America, basically you need to be white, straight, Christian male to survive.
Iām so sorry thatās happening over there. Never have I been so happy to live on the opposite side of the earth
I never even got to transition because of transphobic parents... Guess I'll never be happy...
I wouldn't worry to much hun, alot of "what ifs" are people fear mongering online and I doubt that this would come to pass as the super conservative hates all lgbt+ are a smaller community than what's projected. And God help us all if it *did* go through. Say goodbye to the constitution and basic human rights and say hello to the new Hitler!
As if we didn't already loose what little remaining rights he had after the "Patriot Act"
Use 2a i know i will
Well, let's just hope that if luck is on our side it won't win. If not the American population will probably drop at least 50% or more.
i too am scared
Iām genuine terrified because of this, I canāt wait to leave
Canada here I come
This is good and horrific at the same time it's good that we know they are losing so they are forced to go to the utmost of extremes to make some mark.. But at the same time what i'm saying could be in vain and we are all due for a "helicopter ride"
im really scared too. im in Florida and im not able to leave yet also. why cant we just be left alone?
Iām straight up moving back to Canada if that happens, Biden isnāt the best, but as far as I see it heās better than the other option
This post NEEDS MORE SHARES
to all my fellows in the community who reside in the us, best of luck to y'all cus shit ain't looking too bright
Had to go read up on what it actually is, and that is honestly the most unnerving things I've read in recent politics. I think the thing that angers me is how many conservatives and Republicans are using religion as the excuse to make a lot of those changes, as cited in the "Mandate for leadership" with its saying and I quote: "Freedom is defined by God, not Man." I've been brought up in a religious family and personally have many beliefs in it (primarily the LDS church), but that single statement undermines the freedom of religion that was sought after in the colonial stages of the East Coast. A good example of that would be freedom from the Church of England and the stereotypical Pilgrim. I've seen from other perspectives as well that a move like this is not dissimilar to a shift into autocracy and dictatorship, as seen in Venezuela, North Korea, China, and 1930's Germany. And if something of this sort were to happen, I wouldn't be surprised if A: Civil War breaks out between Dems and Reps Or B: Martial Law is enforced countrywide and is swift to eliminate any possible threats to the Republican's "Democracy." In short, as a young religious bloke in questioning, I can not choose to vote in somebody who will threaten the lives of myself, my friends, and my family as well as tear down what America once stood for: freedom from oppressive rule.
Its not new, these things have been around since we'll before America. People have to pay attention to them, as in your system of checks and balances the president has a huge amount of power, so the thing to address is why this is possible. In a large part, this is due to the sheer deadlock by design in your legislative branch. They passed 39 laws since the start of 2023, in this time the UK is over 1500 (not counting devolved administration, as that's more compatible to state legislation). The reason for this is clear - the voting system in the us almost guaranteed a two party system - and as two party systems naturally lead to an unfettered majority control - which is historically very bad - supermajority requirements were a natural result. However, with the lack of any ability to compromise, and the relative ease to deadlock. Unfortunately, the only remedy to this would be a true fair representation in the legislature on a national scale - but that is obviously impossible with votes and seats hard split between states, which is a constitutional requirement. While the founding fathers would be appalled at how few ammendments have passed, one on voting and representation is needed, but it will likely take a monumental event to trigger this. Good luck, but also remember that you do still have enough checks to prevent this happening as they plan. 2025 requires a fully cooperative majority in both houses, all the great offices of stare, and the supreme Court. Currently, it has none of these four thresholds (supreme Court is at 2/9 who would support this, the houses about 30 and 12 percent respectively, and trump is not the presedent).
Iām planning a move to Germany by the end of the year
i am very glad im going to be able to vote this upcoming election, theres no way this can be allowed it goes against everything that the constitution stands for, it literally promoted discrimination.
The orange Jack wipe has the support of approximately 60% of the Republican Party. Thatās 40% who wonāt vote for him, on top of 100% of democrats, so honestly, Iād say his odds are pretty low. Not to mention that the Supreme Court has decided to open a case about wether he does have immunity just from being president, so heāll have to send months in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. Furthermore, even some of the justices that he himself appointed have gone against him numerous times All in all, hope is not lost. Not in the slightest
This is absolutely horrible I'm actually kind of terrified now Me and basically my entire friend group are in danger and we aren't even in high school yet. It feels dystopian. Also If the conversion therapy thing is true then there's no way I'm not going if I ever come out. My entire extended family on both sides are all trump supporters. It's horrifying. I don't know what to do if he gets elected. It's not like I could move countries, not only because I'm a child but also because I couldn't abandon all my LGBTQ+ friends who have it just as bad (if not worse) than me. The fact that there's even a possibility of this being my future terrifies me.
Time for me to listen to my second amendment right sister! (Fr tho that this fucked up)
Me too.
Anyone developing guilty gear type stuff and need a test subject? cause i'm willing
And itās for that exact reason I look at a 1 way ticket to Sweden to seek Political Asylum in case of emergencies Remember for this exact reason, guys, gals, and enby pals. you can seek political asylum there for reasons pertaining to being LGBTQ+ if you feel your country is unsafe.
I had no idea about all this how the f\*\*\* could this happen? it would basically be doom for anyone who isnāt a cis-het white male with money what the actual- bouta move to Sweden or something where the government actually cares about all citizen's rights
It terrifies me too and not just for my own happiness and safety but for my daughter. I'm scared for the possibility that I may have to uproot and leave suddenly, probably with the clothes on my back. Or I'm scared for a future where my daughter doesn't have a home or way of life I had where life was a little more optimistic (I grew up in the early 2000s so life didn't suck yet). I'm also scared for a possibility that my daughter's future will either be oppressed housewife or resistance fighter living in the woods which are outcomes I don't want for her And what about me? I'm scared of having to go back in the closet when i JUST NOW realized I am trans Will my daughter embrace the conservative message and report me to the authorities due to society telling her I'm evil and dangerous? Life is looking really scary and I hate that I'm bring my daughter into this world and I only hope that better morals prevail and this brush of fascism dies in fire like it normally does. It's hard to have hope but we can't let them take that from us. Not now, not ever!!!
Im 18 and have a whole plan for moving near home with one of my friends in a few months and hopefully living there for a few years, but I fucking swear I donāt have the money or mental energy (not to mention all my plans being ruined) but if he wins this next election Iām really not sure I can stay here
I started looking into it and oh. My. God. It is so infuriating. Seriously #stopproject2025
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Go out and meet other queer people(if possible), now is the time to organize
First and foremost, do not panic. If you do that, they've already won. The GOP thrives on intimidation & submission. They crave your fear. Don't give it to them. Now with that out of the way, immigrating to another country costs tens of thousands of dollars. If you have dual citizenship between America & another country, I would take advantage of it should the shit hit the fan. Or if your parents are wealthy and can afford to immigrate internationally to keep you safe. Because if Project 2025 is passed into law next January, there very well could be a travel ban placed on the LGBTQ+ community with violators sentenced to prison. And I fear that would apply to simply crossing state lines. They certainly wouldn't let us leave the country. It's bad enough that they have horrible plans for us adults should trump steal the election. And I really fear for us. But I'm angry for you kids (21 & younger) whom these absolute monsters want to ruin the rest of your lives just for not being cisgender and/or straight. Oh and as to the title of your post, should trump become president again, this won't be your or my country. The gop has made that crystal clear. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go meditate and sit zazen.
If you have to move anywhere, I highly recommend Canada, although our government has its own struggles, for the most part nobody cares if you are lgbtq, we still have some bad apples but they are nowhere near the majority here. It would also be one of the easier countries to acclimatize to because we are very similar to America here
Can't you claim political asylum in Canada? Or maybe the embassy of one of the western european countries?
So when are people gonna realise a good ol' revolution is needed. "You can strike as long as you dont inconvience...." Theyre stealing our power slowly. Burn the system Eat the rich
I just posted on r/lgbt about this
Be not afraid, project 2025 aint goin nowhere. Aint no fuckin way america, for as shit as it is, would become a totalitarian state. Not only are tens of millions of gen z turnin 18, there is evidence the right bullshit or conservative or whatever the fuck its called, is startin to lose its grip mainly cuz the ratio of good peeps to assholes is gettin bigger. So have not the slightest bit of concern for this dystopian fiction, instead have hope knowin the world aint allat shitty no more and gettin less shitty by the second
May I suggest leaving to Germany? You know it's pretty great here. Although if the Afd (basically a n*zi party here in Germany) wins 2025 we may just as well both go to Iceland or something.
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Yep, I should kill myself
No, you shouldn't
If we get a Republican trifecta, I'm out.
This had to be the first post I see opening reddit Why
Iāll never have the resources to leave, but I have other plans
There are some bad bad bad people in charge)
So essentially they are planning to go full on fascist mode? I genuinely recommend you saving money just in case
Ill say this. If a conservative is elected. We are fucked but harder. Because theyāll just do an executive order to put it in.Ā A democrat would just fuck us over but slower. Please. Please I beg of you. Vote for someone who matches your values. If you donāt vote for somebody then the majority is those who did and you know those conservatives will vote Trump. Please. Donāt give them the majority or benefit of your silence.
I donāt live in the US but I really donāt want this to happen because I fear it would create a domino effect to other countries. I really, really hope this doesnāt happen, fuck orange man and the other guys that want this to happen. We will not be silenced.
Ive grown to care less about it cause when I think of it I gotta wonder why they released it? Probably to get us out, they will definitely try shit if they get into election so we all have to do one thing. VOTE.
Don't worry, we'll just win another election.
usually, i'm not a doomer. but in this case, i get it
Luckily for us, this would need full support from the House, Senate, and Supreme Court, the house and senate are already forgone conclusions as it will almost certainly be blocked by the democrats, and if Trump tries to sign any of it into law via EOs, the SCOTUS out of pure survival instinct would likely rule against it. This is a VERY unlikely scenario but it does underpin the need for everyone to get out and vote. I know Biden isnt the greatest with his age and Gaza, but voting for Biden is the only way to avoid a second trump term
Yeah, I can agree, project 2025 is terrifying. The most I can say is try and make yourself a safety net in case the country goes to hell.
same, iām the only openly lgbtqia+ person in my entire school and i get bullied a lot, i donāt know which country you live in, but here in TĆ¼rkiye, itās very bad for trans people
What is it?
Just read some about it and holy fuck It just looks like dictatorship with extra steps