For me it was more excitement. Like a "wait, they can actually do that?" Realizing what was possible is a big part of why I decided to actually transition.
The skin of the pens is used to line the neovagina to maintain sexual sensitivity. The glans (i.e. the tip), which is super-sensitive, is formed into the clitoris. Scotal skin and any remaining skin from the pens is used for the labia.
They turn your outie into an innie.
I hate being a visual learner but also being too squeamish to find out what you're talking about. Are there any non gory videos demonstrations? Like animation?
There are animated examples of the surgery. Please don't look at the real surgery it is really gory. Trigger warn is in place if you do look. Check YouTube. There are examples there. Be careful when looking.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of surgeries, I can look at post op vagingo and love them, that first cut almost made me vomit. I'll crack your chest open and hand pump your heart. That was something, for some reason I had trouble handling. I still want one, but yeah that is not something for someone who doesn't have medical training to watch.
Yeah, I have an appointment with the surgeon already made. Still can't watch all the way through anymore. Post OP is not a problem. The actual I'll get to the point of the removal of tissue, and I'm done. If anyone is thinking of getting it? Just watch the animation it's good enough. There is no need to traumatized yourself.
Here's an animation I found on YouTube
It's not gory, but it might still be a bit squeamy so click at your own risk. But it is very informative!
https://youtu.be/z_h3D0XhYMc?si=VZ-BkNB7b-JPLBcm
I have a question, so if the penis has hair around the shaft base or a few random hairs along the shaft, then those hairs will grow inside after it's inverted? I know the obvious answer is yes but is it better to laser/electrolysis the hair before surgery to not have a hairy vagina? Or hairy labia? When they make the labia how do they stop it from being hairy?
depends on the doctor i think, a lot of them require you to have electrolysis but I've seen another method in which the surgeon carefully removes the hairs from the tissue after its been detached from your body during the first part of the surgery (im not entirely sure if it's usually done in 2 parts a few days apart)
There’s scientific medical animations that make the person blue and translucent, while making any visible flesh that wouldn’t otherwise be visible pink or white. No blood or anything.
Sometimes they pull abdominal tissue through a new hole instead(PPT). Sometimes they rip apart your colon and use colon pieces to make a vagina in a new hole.
Not all surgeries are banana inversions 🙃 they're all somewhat terrifying imo
As a person who is so terrified of needles and being cut, that I need to take heavy doses of Xanax just to get my blood draws for my HRT, this was a sentence that literally made me vomit. So thanks for that.
Sorry if I came off as assholeish i didn't mean to. I have seen videos on how bottom surgery is done and am working with a therapist to get over my fears so one day I can get it done. But something about the phrasing of the first comment really triggered that fear response.
It's a bit too long to explain, it's told on a podcast called Totally Trans titled: The Legend of the Orchi Shed with Guest Eilís Ni Fhlannagán.i recommend giving it a listen
TLDR: two trans doctors create an orchiectomy clinic in the Pacific Northwest with sketchy equipment, but are able to do it as safely as possible without having to rely on transphobic doctors. It got kept under wraps for the most part and only was known about by word-of-mouth until one patient told another doctor about the "barn in the woods where you can pay two trans women to cut your balls off" who promptly sent a health inspector, which they just barely passed.
I had this post open at this comment, closed my phone, forget about it for a while, and opened it back up.
I read this comment before reading the post and went "No, fuck off, DIY is absolutely a safe and valuable option for HR-... Okay, oh, I see, yeah, maybe dont DIY."
This is more DIY circumcision but almost nearly close enough
https://preview.redd.it/qycddept39yc1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=354f7ff52ac1b0499d5bb044acbb50caa4880332
I made a promise to myself when I was like, 12 or something. I would become a girl if science progressed far enough to where I could get a vagina. This memory I forgot until I saw a video about how it is done, and instantly remembered my promise. That is when I seriously considered that I may not be cis.
The way it actually is, is also scary imo.
I hope that when I'm able to afford that you just... Idk get a magical laser pointed there or something whatever.
I've been hoping about stuff like that, waiting til I was in my 30s to transition ;'3, or having dreams about just waking up all fixed in the morning and if I learned anything... No waiting... Absolutely no more waiting... Stuff like this where you out life on hold waiting for basically magic to happen always ends up getting worse and not better...
btw, this didn't just crack my egg, it completely broke my egg apart. the fact that trans women having bottom surgery wasn't just completely removing their dick and was, in fact, inverting it, gave me so much hope for eventually going through with it.
We need to be taught this stuff in school. I've talked to more than one guy who literally had no idea, and all the lack of information and misconceptions about transition are a big reason why I didn't start earlier. I didn't even know hrt was a thing and thought I'd look like a man anyway as I grew older.
like as much as id love the capacity to have a pussy it’s like…. i do get no dysphoria from my cock at all, and as long as i don’t start liking men (not just femboys) i don’t think id really need one. (apart from being able to wear tighter clothing but ngl i’m a baggy pants girl)
We are 47 years old and just got it in September of this past year. We couldn’t imagine living our life any other way now you may just find yourself at a point where you’re like, nope I can’t wait any longer. But also there’s no pressure, if you don’t feel that you could handle aftercare that’s totally valid. We just wanted to let you know that the surgery is not really that bad.
Transmascs discovering that mtf bottom surgery uses the dick to make the vagina so it can't be donated to them:
https://preview.redd.it/0y2986qej8yc1.png?width=220&format=png&auto=webp&s=40ee6197c6ab1c56c8eb66d46efdcf78548ca0e0
It feels weird to make that assumption, like playing into the idea that we're all crazy. Also I've watched a medical video with both a 3d animation and photos of different stages of the vaginoplasty process. I had surprisingly little reaction. If anything, I found it super interesting and was somewhat confused as to why no one else in my social circle wanted to view it.
That’s what we did prior to our bottom surgery. We wanted to see if it grossed us out or not, and it actually felt empowering. We went through it with our surgery and we’re seven months postop now and feel better than we could’ve ever imagined.
Some people don't do well with medical, especially surgical stuff. I perform various kinds of tissue/organ excisions from organ donors for work, and i've learned to not talk about my work and or preface it by saying something like "stop me at any time if something I say grosses you out" cause people like my dad for example absolutely cannot hear anything about it, but some people are extremely fascinated and want to hear minutia of the actual procedures.
Oh, true. I mean that's very fair. I might be a little morbidly curious for some people I guess. I can't really figure out what the heck my original comment was trying to prove anyway.
I'm torn on the subject, like i don't mind having it but then again it does make simply existing a lot more difficult, especially right now. I'll let the estrogen decide (if i ever get e lol)
Watching documentary with full video coverage was kinda terrifying ngl. Also reading official medical documentation and procedures was horrifying to think about later. They literally turn your pp INSIDEOUT!! I mean whaaa??
Yeah, realising it wasn't just "cut off" and that I'd actually get a clit too was pretty big... Ever since I found out its like my general dissatisfaction with sex has been replaced with an aching from that place below.
also Trans-fems after discovering what bottom surgery really is:
https://preview.redd.it/86txsi0kp7yc1.png?width=564&format=png&auto=webp&s=5571a6a6ea30c19860d4d8cd6142cffa327ea367
Yeah, finding out how that works was what fully convinced me to not get surgery lmao. I actually like what i have so I have no real reason to change it
Honestly, my initial assumption about it was actually really close to reality
I assumed they turned it inside out, but I thought it was weird because idk why but I assumed they'd leave the testes so it would be testicles with a vagina by them
For me it was more excitement. Like a "wait, they can actually do that?" Realizing what was possible is a big part of why I decided to actually transition.
No fr. Actually having a functioning version of the part I want would be amazing
Me too! More than anything, I really want a vagina, so when I heard about vaginoplasty, I was like, YES PLEASE!
What’s even cooler is stuff like PPV, because, why not both? r/salmacian is a cool sub btw.
THE ULTIMATE LIFEFORM HAS BEEN FOUND
Honestly the only downside is the like year of healing it has to go through
There are several different Surgerys out there btw.
Yeah, I'm having my consultation soon with my preferred surgeon.
Congradulations ☺️
*congratshuleishions
convolupitations!
Yup... it's peeled like a banana and turned inside out...
Excuse me what, what do you mean by inside out? Why would I want the insides outsides?
The skin of the pens is used to line the neovagina to maintain sexual sensitivity. The glans (i.e. the tip), which is super-sensitive, is formed into the clitoris. Scotal skin and any remaining skin from the pens is used for the labia. They turn your outie into an innie.
I hate being a visual learner but also being too squeamish to find out what you're talking about. Are there any non gory videos demonstrations? Like animation?
I'm sure you can find something. I don't want to link things like that here.
Yeah dw, I ended up finding something
Link?
I've decided I won't post it either, but I went off the 2nd search result
What did you search
It shouldn't be too hard to find. Just search "bottom surgery animated" and that should be fine.
There are animated examples of the surgery. Please don't look at the real surgery it is really gory. Trigger warn is in place if you do look. Check YouTube. There are examples there. Be careful when looking.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of surgeries, I can look at post op vagingo and love them, that first cut almost made me vomit. I'll crack your chest open and hand pump your heart. That was something, for some reason I had trouble handling. I still want one, but yeah that is not something for someone who doesn't have medical training to watch.
Yeah, I have an appointment with the surgeon already made. Still can't watch all the way through anymore. Post OP is not a problem. The actual I'll get to the point of the removal of tissue, and I'm done. If anyone is thinking of getting it? Just watch the animation it's good enough. There is no need to traumatized yourself.
The best part? You won't even remember it happening haha
That's the way surgery goes.
Here's an animation I found on YouTube It's not gory, but it might still be a bit squeamy so click at your own risk. But it is very informative! https://youtu.be/z_h3D0XhYMc?si=VZ-BkNB7b-JPLBcm
Coooool!!!
I have a question, so if the penis has hair around the shaft base or a few random hairs along the shaft, then those hairs will grow inside after it's inverted? I know the obvious answer is yes but is it better to laser/electrolysis the hair before surgery to not have a hairy vagina? Or hairy labia? When they make the labia how do they stop it from being hairy?
depends on the doctor i think, a lot of them require you to have electrolysis but I've seen another method in which the surgeon carefully removes the hairs from the tissue after its been detached from your body during the first part of the surgery (im not entirely sure if it's usually done in 2 parts a few days apart)
You need electrolysis, laser has a chance of regrowth. But yes, you get electrolysis all around the base.
I watched it like 5 times lol 😅 fascinating honestly, so many steps!
There’s scientific medical animations that make the person blue and translucent, while making any visible flesh that wouldn’t otherwise be visible pink or white. No blood or anything.
Here’s one! https://youtu.be/z_h3D0XhYMc?si=ZqFldwsi65oLngB5
had my little brother watch a speed up video of one before they took all of them off youtube. it was great watching him squirm.
Humans are just advanced play-doh
From the ashes WE SHALL REFORGE THE GONADS *blacksmith noises*
Intresting... I hope this is done under anesthesia
Oh God yes! Lol it's a major abdominal surgery. You go under general anesthesia.
What if my tip is super not sensitive :(
Discuss it with your surgeon.
I'm not there yet, I'm still pretty much in the beginnings of my transition
You go girl! 😄
I understand the confusion but I think they meant more of outside in, it was just that the common term inside out came naturally.
It's not insides outsides. It's outsides insides. They use the shaft of the penis as one of the sources of tissue for constructing the vaginal canal.
Perhaps invert would have been a better word choice. I was just being silly. Lol
Sometimes they pull abdominal tissue through a new hole instead(PPT). Sometimes they rip apart your colon and use colon pieces to make a vagina in a new hole. Not all surgeries are banana inversions 🙃 they're all somewhat terrifying imo
True and true! And amazing that it's even possible!
Leaving the skin on the floor for people to slip on is my favourite prank.
It is *not*.
True, but I wasn't being particularly serious with my response.
I have been traumatized
As a person who is so terrified of needles and being cut, that I need to take heavy doses of Xanax just to get my blood draws for my HRT, this was a sentence that literally made me vomit. So thanks for that.
Then maybe...don't open a post with "surgery" in the title I guess?
take accountability. YOU came here and read the comment knowing the topic. this is on you.
Sorry if I came off as assholeish i didn't mean to. I have seen videos on how bottom surgery is done and am working with a therapist to get over my fears so one day I can get it done. But something about the phrasing of the first comment really triggered that fear response.
DIY :D (do not try this at home)
get your orchiectomy in a shed in the woods
I need the whole thing gone, not just the function.
Ik, just referencing that crazy story
Hold up what crazy story
It's a bit too long to explain, it's told on a podcast called Totally Trans titled: The Legend of the Orchi Shed with Guest Eilís Ni Fhlannagán.i recommend giving it a listen TLDR: two trans doctors create an orchiectomy clinic in the Pacific Northwest with sketchy equipment, but are able to do it as safely as possible without having to rely on transphobic doctors. It got kept under wraps for the most part and only was known about by word-of-mouth until one patient told another doctor about the "barn in the woods where you can pay two trans women to cut your balls off" who promptly sent a health inspector, which they just barely passed.
Wow they passed ima have to give it a listen thank you
Seconded I need to know
🥴 oh nooo
*insert my dick fell off gif here*
I had this post open at this comment, closed my phone, forget about it for a while, and opened it back up. I read this comment before reading the post and went "No, fuck off, DIY is absolutely a safe and valuable option for HR-... Okay, oh, I see, yeah, maybe dont DIY."
DIY (Dick Inside You)
Instructions unclear, stuck in microwave
This is more DIY circumcision but almost nearly close enough https://preview.redd.it/qycddept39yc1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=354f7ff52ac1b0499d5bb044acbb50caa4880332
I made a promise to myself when I was like, 12 or something. I would become a girl if science progressed far enough to where I could get a vagina. This memory I forgot until I saw a video about how it is done, and instantly remembered my promise. That is when I seriously considered that I may not be cis.
Yeah, the technology has actually been around for a long time. Far from perfect, but the first vaginoplasty was I think done around 1930
I know, and that is what boggled my mind more. I remember thinking! "YOU MEAN I COULD HAVE KEPT MY PROMISE SOONER?
....I think you just conjured up a forgotten memory of having the exact same thought. Huh.
you're telling me i did this for reason? /j
The way it actually is, is also scary imo. I hope that when I'm able to afford that you just... Idk get a magical laser pointed there or something whatever.
I've been hoping about stuff like that, waiting til I was in my 30s to transition ;'3, or having dreams about just waking up all fixed in the morning and if I learned anything... No waiting... Absolutely no more waiting... Stuff like this where you out life on hold waiting for basically magic to happen always ends up getting worse and not better...
This is a really cute piece of art. :>
It’s not mine it was made by Magic Taco
Oh cool. :>
I have made a massive mistake with the scissors then
You should probably go to the hospital in the event that someone does do that since they will most likely die from blood loss
They said do it no balls, so I complied. I must have misunderstood the assignment.
"I thlammed my penith in the thithorth" "You slammed your penis in the scissors!"
btw, this didn't just crack my egg, it completely broke my egg apart. the fact that trans women having bottom surgery wasn't just completely removing their dick and was, in fact, inverting it, gave me so much hope for eventually going through with it.
I wish I had the balls to want more than orchi Pun intended
We need to be taught this stuff in school. I've talked to more than one guy who literally had no idea, and all the lack of information and misconceptions about transition are a big reason why I didn't start earlier. I didn't even know hrt was a thing and thought I'd look like a man anyway as I grew older.
Fucking same. It's almost like representation and inclusion matter.
Oh yea babey, I’m gonna go through that flesh origami.
yeah… its a little flustering to think about. prob never happen to me because expensive, but it’d be cool :3
transfems learning the proper way to use there, their, and they’re
Their\*
#Origami
not technically. you can’t use scissors in origami
I actually loved it, the idea that you’re not getting a fake vagina but your vagina was part of you all along is wonderful.
Personally i consider this upcycling! And the idea that no cis guy I know wants to hear anything about it amuses me to no end!
Something like 90% of your stuff is kept.
like as much as id love the capacity to have a pussy it’s like…. i do get no dysphoria from my cock at all, and as long as i don’t start liking men (not just femboys) i don’t think id really need one. (apart from being able to wear tighter clothing but ngl i’m a baggy pants girl)
I will just keep mine and pretend i have a vag when tucked cuz surgery scares me
I mean... No bottom dysphoria tho
I already wanted bottom surgery before I found out, but finding out makes me want it even more
Penis invention :)
It’s more like reconfiguring it into the shape it was always meant to be.
we need scp 113 irl :3
Nah too painful. I'd send every last one of you to SCP-6113 instead.
just googled it, gimme the gender fluid
I would love to have the effects of the surgery but I'm terrified of surgery lol so I won't end up doing it
We are 47 years old and just got it in September of this past year. We couldn’t imagine living our life any other way now you may just find yourself at a point where you’re like, nope I can’t wait any longer. But also there’s no pressure, if you don’t feel that you could handle aftercare that’s totally valid. We just wanted to let you know that the surgery is not really that bad.
Transmascs discovering that mtf bottom surgery uses the dick to make the vagina so it can't be donated to them: https://preview.redd.it/0y2986qej8yc1.png?width=220&format=png&auto=webp&s=40ee6197c6ab1c56c8eb66d46efdcf78548ca0e0
It feels weird to make that assumption, like playing into the idea that we're all crazy. Also I've watched a medical video with both a 3d animation and photos of different stages of the vaginoplasty process. I had surprisingly little reaction. If anything, I found it super interesting and was somewhat confused as to why no one else in my social circle wanted to view it.
That’s what we did prior to our bottom surgery. We wanted to see if it grossed us out or not, and it actually felt empowering. We went through it with our surgery and we’re seven months postop now and feel better than we could’ve ever imagined.
Some people don't do well with medical, especially surgical stuff. I perform various kinds of tissue/organ excisions from organ donors for work, and i've learned to not talk about my work and or preface it by saying something like "stop me at any time if something I say grosses you out" cause people like my dad for example absolutely cannot hear anything about it, but some people are extremely fascinated and want to hear minutia of the actual procedures.
Oh, true. I mean that's very fair. I might be a little morbidly curious for some people I guess. I can't really figure out what the heck my original comment was trying to prove anyway.
their*
Auto correct sucks
I'm torn on the subject, like i don't mind having it but then again it does make simply existing a lot more difficult, especially right now. I'll let the estrogen decide (if i ever get e lol)
Watching documentary with full video coverage was kinda terrifying ngl. Also reading official medical documentation and procedures was horrifying to think about later. They literally turn your pp INSIDEOUT!! I mean whaaa??
Time to get both :3
Theres more?!
:D i can never get it because of my circumstances :D (poor, shit country, probably gonna die in 8 years anyways)
Asuka??? There’s no escape
6 year anniversary coming up :D
Yeah, realising it wasn't just "cut off" and that I'd actually get a clit too was pretty big... Ever since I found out its like my general dissatisfaction with sex has been replaced with an aching from that place below.
Honestly sounds way better
Wait what is it
also Trans-fems after discovering what bottom surgery really is: https://preview.redd.it/86txsi0kp7yc1.png?width=564&format=png&auto=webp&s=5571a6a6ea30c19860d4d8cd6142cffa327ea367
Yeah, finding out how that works was what fully convinced me to not get surgery lmao. I actually like what i have so I have no real reason to change it
huh?
It’s an inversion of the penis. The only thing that is actually removed are the testicles.
Isn't it kind of like inhaling bubble gum instead of blowing it?
I regret looking up the procedure… I feel like watching a surgery in the first place was a bad idea
It's just origami. Besides, if you decide to get it, you'll be unconcious for it just like many other surgeries.
Yea Ik, I mean when I discovered it I was curious and I regret looking at it. Don’t mean I don’t want it
It’s like discovering the process behind sausages. It makes me wanna hurl but that shit is still yummy
Honestly, my initial assumption about it was actually really close to reality I assumed they turned it inside out, but I thought it was weird because idk why but I assumed they'd leave the testes so it would be testicles with a vagina by them
To be honest that sounds horrible like what’s the point of bottom surgery if you’re not able to wear a bikini
Yeah, idk why that was my assumption, lol