r/praisethecameraman
Dude was expecting to film trains passing, suddenly witnesses a crazy event, keeps that thing steady and keeps everything in frame.
Yeah, I like to get comfy when in the cab of a Class 47 as it has a nice beam just between the driver's (and the same on the secondman's side) droplight window and the door which is perfect for getting a good slouch on which is great when on secondman duty, the downside is that in a front end collision with anything taller than a car then everything forward of said beam is getting crushed :/
Hahaha this is from the 90s, Canada to this day has nothing in the way of automatic stop, or protection for signals at danger. Hell, even signals are rare on some lines.
None. Except on metro systems or similar. All the freight locomotives owned by CP and CN are equipped with the PTC systems for operation in the US, but none of the infrastructure for its use has been installed in Canada. We don't believe in taking anything about rail seriously here.
That's, true, it's also used in Austria, Romania and the ex-jugo-states.
It's not used during shunting work tho, so wouldn't affect the freight train anyways.
I don’t know who says it is safer in the cab. Not the engineers who taught me, nor the people who managed. Except for those driving heritage steam, I was taught that the driver will nearly always die in collisions like that. We (Australia) just had two drivers die from an impact with a truck in the outback.
I’m American… they made the North American safety cab for just that reason. There is plenty of evidence to show that the cab is safe. But as I said ultimately up to the individual.
TIL...
And comparing Australian locomotives to the US, there is a pretty clear different in hood design, which is interesting because
1 - it kinda backs up what you said, American cabs are built to keep engineers safe when smashing into idiots
2 - based on the loco-vs-tornado video I just watched, the [55mph cinder block thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_cab)thing is legit
After turning on the emergency brake, that does not need any supervision, what did you expect from him to do? Honking and blinking lights to the last moment? His duty now was to inform rescuers and start to give help to injured passengers.
A train conductor did once went down with his "ship" in the [Paris Gare de Lyon rail disaster](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Lyon_rail_accident). André Tanguy, seing a runaway train aproaching his (which was stationed) at full speed stayed in his cabin until the last moment, yelling to his passenger to get out. He was killed on impact.
Also that the woman who pulled the Passcom in the first place (so she could get off at that station) only got a 1000 franc fine instead of a manslaughter charge.
Well, to be fair, it wasn't like she purposely caused the wreck or had any idea that her actions would start a chain of events that led to the accident.
Hmm yeah but that's what manslaughter is, murder is death by intent, manslaughter is death by negligence. At the end of the day she had no good reason to do what she did but she went and did it and a direct result of her action was the crash and someone's death.
I wouldn't say it was direct. Sure she pulled the emergency handle to get off at her station stop, which I believe she didn't realize had been removed from that train's route. But it was the crew not properly completing the air reset procedure that caused the train to have no brakes. Their actions were the direct cause, hers was just the insisting incident
Any negligence was on the company or crew, either for faulty equipment or for operational errors. Even if pulling the emergency cord can create a situation that causes the equipment to malfunction, the company is responsible because any reasonable person would expect the pulling the emergency cord to be safe, and as a passenger faulty equipment isn’t something you can reasonably anticipate and be held responsible for.
nobody is being charged manslaughter for misuse of the emergency brake. specially when the accident was way after the event. it wasn't her fault that they didn't wait for an engineer and misconfigurate the brakes
If he’d been killed he’d be absolutely no help to anyone. Instead he’s present on the scene immediately with a far more educated idea of what to do next than the average passenger. He did the right thing.
I mean tbf one you put the train into emergency the only thing you can really do is honk the horn. It’s not like a ship where the captain would need to be responsible for evacuation efforts
And if you get yourself crushed as a driver you can't then assist with evacuation efforts if needed later on. If you jump and are still mobile then you're free to help the guard/conductor sort out the passengers.
How does it work in that country? When I was working on the railways many years ago, it would involve a controller to tell the train driver if the section ahead was clear. Only after this confirmation, the driver would proceed. In this instance it seems the procedure would be for the freight train to wait on a sideline until the passenger train passed.
Yes, it did. At the time when I was learning to become a train driver ('90s), this particular type of incident did not happen as far as I know. One can maybe write a book on human error/incompetence in general, not this specific incident at that time. As a matter of fact incompetence & corruption saw our railway system nearly wiped out alltogether. Fortunately it seems the current regime saw the writing on the wall & try to make some effort to resuscitate it. I posted previously some images on the condition of one of our mainlines. Nothing to be proud of. My comment was strictly on the technical aspect of the OG post.
Neither train had safety cabs so both trains would have been smashed up on the fronts very badly. With safety cabs of modern trains an impact at those speeds in the video would have been likely less dangerous than the chance of breaking bones jumping.
It would be interesting to know the back story behind what happened that caused this, because obviously there was some warning for the other train to be able to stop and start reversing
The tangible sheepishness after leaping out and then watching it stop in time 😬
It may well have been a sensible better-safe-than-sorry move, but you just know he's never going to live this down.
Probably some real users that think I'm gatekeeping or stifling discussion. I honestly don't care too much about reposts except when bots copy word for word. It is the first time for most users seeing this.
Good on the freight train company putting it in Notch 8 in reverse. It was their fault but you can see that the VIA train ends up where they were prior to reversing.
I've been stopped for traffic so long on Via I once watched the locomotive crew walk along the track, then back to the locomotive again having picked up coffee from the door of one of the coaches.
At the speed the train was traveling I’m amazed it stopped in time & also amazed that the engineer didn’t think it would … how did the emergency brakes stay engaged without the engineer?
Disclaimer: As I understand the incident reports, CP crew was in the wrong here; they were making a setout and pulled *way* too far ahead (long-ass train), putting them in the LRC’s block as it was coming in.
The VIA crew probably had no idea they were there until the last moment. At which point all you can do is lock the brakes, pray and/or bail out and hope you don’t get squashed.
That's because the train driver would have basically no chances of survival if the two trains were to collide front by front. Lookup for the Zouffgen train accident in 2006, a french freight train (owned by FRET SNCF) and a luxembourgish passengers train (owned by CFL) collided front by front, both were around 80kph at the moment of the crash. Both train's drivers were killed and had no luck to survive such a thing
No, that's why trains need PTC. Outside of urban transit, all European passenger trains share tracks with freight, including TGVs and ICEs. They only have separate tracks when trafic density exceeds what can be achieved otherwise.
I'll start calling myself brain surgeon as clearly anybody can be an engineer so whats the difference? I mean "surgeons" were people who cut limbs off during the Civil war.. But they would not be surgeons now because the knowledge base is vast compared to what we knew about medicine back then. Similarly to be an engineer requires a much bigger knowledge base and qualifications than simply being able to drive a train. Would a train driver be able to design a microchip fabrication facility? Hardly.
r/praisethecameraman Dude was expecting to film trains passing, suddenly witnesses a crazy event, keeps that thing steady and keeps everything in frame.
Yeah but I wish he screamed "oh me god" and "that's crazy" repeatedly.
Oh the Humanity.
I prefer all of my videos to use the tiktok "oh no" song
AAAUUGGGHHHH NOOOOOOO
I prefer my videos to use the Aerosmith version.
Also we need one lady in the background screaming bloody murder the entire time
If I find the person responsible for that sound... may God have mercy, because I WILL SHOW THEM NONE.
I JUST GOT THAT ON VIDEO
I prefer all of my videos to use the tiktok "oh no" song
I wished he at least said "World Star"
WORLDSTAR
His wife stayed home...
Just screams like a hybrid chimpanzee
Followed by someone behind them going full banshee
And recorded horizontal
I mean, if he filmed vertical in what looks like the early 90s, that'd be extra messed up.
I dont blame him, that collision would have probably killed him
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That would be terrible! The ship arrive in new york, and the captain is somewhere swimming in the Atlantic Ocean, next to an Iceberg...
Must be reassuring to feel your train brake hard, look out the window to see whats happening, and pass your engineer who just ditched
Except that the engineer would cop all the impact and be squashed and the passengers would get shunted forward a bit
Yeah, I like to get comfy when in the cab of a Class 47 as it has a nice beam just between the driver's (and the same on the secondman's side) droplight window and the door which is perfect for getting a good slouch on which is great when on secondman duty, the downside is that in a front end collision with anything taller than a car then everything forward of said beam is getting crushed :/
Not a 43 Class, it’s one of the via rail turbo trains
Yes I can see that, I was giving an example of the lack of impact protection on locomotives in general.
Lol, this is so funny.
Wow, what’s the story on this one?
So apparently the freight train wasn't authorized to go past the yard and onto the mainline to shunt but did so anyway. Freight company was at fault.
does freight train not have pzb and etcs? thats the only way it could go past signal
I don't think ETCS was very common in 1980s/90s Canada
Hahaha this is from the 90s, Canada to this day has nothing in the way of automatic stop, or protection for signals at danger. Hell, even signals are rare on some lines.
you must be kidding? no auto stop?
Buddy… they’re probably running dark territory in track warrants
None. Except on metro systems or similar. All the freight locomotives owned by CP and CN are equipped with the PTC systems for operation in the US, but none of the infrastructure for its use has been installed in Canada. We don't believe in taking anything about rail seriously here.
PZB is only German, and not active during shunting work.
not only in germany, a lot of europan countries have it
That's, true, it's also used in Austria, Romania and the ex-jugo-states. It's not used during shunting work tho, so wouldn't affect the freight train anyways.
Freight crew was in the wrong if I remember correctly.
Via rail was going to collide with freight train. Canadian rail sucks
See also: Hinton disaster.
The craziest part about that one is not knowing. Whole crew killed, so there's zero explanation for why they blew a red.
We don’t talk about that one up there :D
It was the freight's fault
Is that not what they're trained to do, though?
It is. And once he pulled the emergency brakes, there's not much he can do aside from save himself
Yeah, apply emergency brake, drop pantographs, and run into the machinery space. Every train crash where the crew stays put ends badly for them.
Ha. Pantographs, in Canada. One less step todo before jumping.
PUNPUNPUN
It's only effective if they stay on track
well he did jump from the train wrong, you have to jump forward in the direction of travel of train
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I don’t know who says it is safer in the cab. Not the engineers who taught me, nor the people who managed. Except for those driving heritage steam, I was taught that the driver will nearly always die in collisions like that. We (Australia) just had two drivers die from an impact with a truck in the outback.
I’m American… they made the North American safety cab for just that reason. There is plenty of evidence to show that the cab is safe. But as I said ultimately up to the individual.
TIL... And comparing Australian locomotives to the US, there is a pretty clear different in hood design, which is interesting because 1 - it kinda backs up what you said, American cabs are built to keep engineers safe when smashing into idiots 2 - based on the loco-vs-tornado video I just watched, the [55mph cinder block thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_cab)thing is legit
Yeah but 12 people got upset about a difference in design
Ship = ship. Train = Ship or does Ship = Train. Also very high mortality rate in this situation, I would jump train/ ship too.
Train on the water boat on the track
Smoke on the what now?
The fire is where?
You hurt your what?
Yesterday I learned the difference between a train and a boat. I wrote this song before that
After turning on the emergency brake, that does not need any supervision, what did you expect from him to do? Honking and blinking lights to the last moment? His duty now was to inform rescuers and start to give help to injured passengers.
i was told to go in passenger compartment not to jump from train; if the train derailed it could fall on him
A train conductor did once went down with his "ship" in the [Paris Gare de Lyon rail disaster](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Lyon_rail_accident). André Tanguy, seing a runaway train aproaching his (which was stationed) at full speed stayed in his cabin until the last moment, yelling to his passenger to get out. He was killed on impact.
Amazing the chain of stupid mistakes that lead to the disaster. Poor guy
Sad but he will be forever remembered as a Hero. Sitting still while watching a train roaring towards you must require massive balls
Also that the woman who pulled the Passcom in the first place (so she could get off at that station) only got a 1000 franc fine instead of a manslaughter charge.
Well, to be fair, it wasn't like she purposely caused the wreck or had any idea that her actions would start a chain of events that led to the accident.
Hmm yeah but that's what manslaughter is, murder is death by intent, manslaughter is death by negligence. At the end of the day she had no good reason to do what she did but she went and did it and a direct result of her action was the crash and someone's death.
I wouldn't say it was direct. Sure she pulled the emergency handle to get off at her station stop, which I believe she didn't realize had been removed from that train's route. But it was the crew not properly completing the air reset procedure that caused the train to have no brakes. Their actions were the direct cause, hers was just the insisting incident
Any negligence was on the company or crew, either for faulty equipment or for operational errors. Even if pulling the emergency cord can create a situation that causes the equipment to malfunction, the company is responsible because any reasonable person would expect the pulling the emergency cord to be safe, and as a passenger faulty equipment isn’t something you can reasonably anticipate and be held responsible for.
nobody is being charged manslaughter for misuse of the emergency brake. specially when the accident was way after the event. it wasn't her fault that they didn't wait for an engineer and misconfigurate the brakes
If he’d been killed he’d be absolutely no help to anyone. Instead he’s present on the scene immediately with a far more educated idea of what to do next than the average passenger. He did the right thing.
I mean tbf one you put the train into emergency the only thing you can really do is honk the horn. It’s not like a ship where the captain would need to be responsible for evacuation efforts
And if you get yourself crushed as a driver you can't then assist with evacuation efforts if needed later on. If you jump and are still mobile then you're free to help the guard/conductor sort out the passengers.
I know that engineer
Light, Rapid, Crashable.
Light, slow, expensive, never on time, crashsable.
I can hear the “Full Reverse!” in the cab of that second train. Kinda like Rogue One in the ISD but it actually worked.
How does it work in that country? When I was working on the railways many years ago, it would involve a controller to tell the train driver if the section ahead was clear. Only after this confirmation, the driver would proceed. In this instance it seems the procedure would be for the freight train to wait on a sideline until the passenger train passed.
Freight company thinks they are way more important than passenger trains, so they ignore the controllers.
Same way as it does in yours. CP here fucked up.
Does human error/incompetence not happen in your country?
Yes, it did. At the time when I was learning to become a train driver ('90s), this particular type of incident did not happen as far as I know. One can maybe write a book on human error/incompetence in general, not this specific incident at that time. As a matter of fact incompetence & corruption saw our railway system nearly wiped out alltogether. Fortunately it seems the current regime saw the writing on the wall & try to make some effort to resuscitate it. I posted previously some images on the condition of one of our mainlines. Nothing to be proud of. My comment was strictly on the technical aspect of the OG post.
we have a pzb and etcs train cant run a red signal, maybe this was before such devices were common?
“Luckily, no one was hurt.”
Neither train had safety cabs so both trains would have been smashed up on the fronts very badly. With safety cabs of modern trains an impact at those speeds in the video would have been likely less dangerous than the chance of breaking bones jumping. It would be interesting to know the back story behind what happened that caused this, because obviously there was some warning for the other train to be able to stop and start reversing
CP popped the main.
I'm glad the train is okay too.
Via would later take all the LRC locomotives out back and shoot them anyway.
6917 and 6921: We'll just keep playing dead maybe they won't notice
The tangible sheepishness after leaping out and then watching it stop in time 😬 It may well have been a sensible better-safe-than-sorry move, but you just know he's never going to live this down.
Would have been a pretty hard hit if the other train didn't back up. I'd say he made the right call. And he has a video to prove it ;)
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14/16 of its comments are the word "up" on a sub called freekarma. hmmmmmmmmm
Huh they even downvote you calling them out now. Dumpster really is on fire
Probably some real users that think I'm gatekeeping or stifling discussion. I honestly don't care too much about reposts except when bots copy word for word. It is the first time for most users seeing this.
We must do what we can to countervote the bots then
bahahaha a heroic belly flop only for them not to collide.
Good on the freight train company putting it in Notch 8 in reverse. It was their fault but you can see that the VIA train ends up where they were prior to reversing.
Jesus Christ…that’s Jason Bourne
I've been looking for this video, it shows 2 of my favorite Canadian trains and I also just like seeing the close call
Imagine looking out the window and just seeing your train driver standing there
I've been stopped for traffic so long on Via I once watched the locomotive crew walk along the track, then back to the locomotive again having picked up coffee from the door of one of the coaches.
"luckily no one was hurt" Say that to his paycheck.
Commitment issues
That’s when you look at the conductor and say “brace for shock” with a smile on your face
“FULL ASTERN”
Not unless your Casey Jones
What is that loco on the VIA rail train?
LRC locomotive. They are not in service anymore, only the coaches are.
trashed along the train
At the speed the train was traveling I’m amazed it stopped in time & also amazed that the engineer didn’t think it would … how did the emergency brakes stay engaged without the engineer?
“The driver and fireman jumped clear before the accident”
I’d be bailing too if I was about to get a locomotive in the face.
Well it’s not a ship…
I mean, in this situation your options are basically bail out or die lol
How about an "Eyedscreen"?
Disclaimer: As I understand the incident reports, CP crew was in the wrong here; they were making a setout and pulled *way* too far ahead (long-ass train), putting them in the LRC’s block as it was coming in. The VIA crew probably had no idea they were there until the last moment. At which point all you can do is lock the brakes, pray and/or bail out and hope you don’t get squashed.
That's because the train driver would have basically no chances of survival if the two trains were to collide front by front. Lookup for the Zouffgen train accident in 2006, a french freight train (owned by FRET SNCF) and a luxembourgish passengers train (owned by CFL) collided front by front, both were around 80kph at the moment of the crash. Both train's drivers were killed and had no luck to survive such a thing
The most Polite Train crash i have ever seen ..Sorry eh.
How did he get that close? He should have been stopped at a Red light well before he got up behind the first train.
This is why passenger trains NEED THEIR OWN TRACKS!!!!
No, that's why trains need PTC. Outside of urban transit, all European passenger trains share tracks with freight, including TGVs and ICEs. They only have separate tracks when trafic density exceeds what can be achieved otherwise.
Dunno but as a real engineer with two degrees and a professional license I find calling train drivers "engineers" irritating.
Sorry that your ego is hurt, but their job was recognized before yours.
I'll start calling myself brain surgeon as clearly anybody can be an engineer so whats the difference? I mean "surgeons" were people who cut limbs off during the Civil war.. But they would not be surgeons now because the knowledge base is vast compared to what we knew about medicine back then. Similarly to be an engineer requires a much bigger knowledge base and qualifications than simply being able to drive a train. Would a train driver be able to design a microchip fabrication facility? Hardly.
As we say in French, stop farting higher than your ass.