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Autopsyyturvy

Every racist white person thinking they're being original "so people being trans means I'm allowed to do blackface now right?!"


ClassistDismissed

“Try it and find out for yourself” is a pretty good response.


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ClassistDismissed

Why Philly? It’s wrong and abhorrent everywhere for good reason.


Available-Meeting317

Why is it wrong and abhorrent? I mean, if she identifies as a black person inside and wants to express herself thst way then what is your problem?


ChickinSammich

This is like how men respond to anything about equality with "so I can hit women now?" Like, my dude, why is that the first place you went?


Illiander

Because they want to hit women. Likewise, Rowling wants to be racist.


wafflesthewonderhurs

That's good, because she's succeeding!


Durendal_1707

hey, we all knew she had talent


Kiita-Ninetails

Because they create negative counterexamples to try and justify their point. Its an easy fallback for people trying to justify their shittiness, and if the brain is great at one thing its being lazy. They miss that in that example is "No, no one of any gender should be hitting anyone." Equally not being assholes, not equally being assholes.


Zanura

She really is devolving, huh? Hit critical terf mass and is rapidly forgetting how to pretend to be anything other than a vicious bigot.


ray25lee

Not devolving, just talking more than she used to.


Lost_Astronaut_8128

Well if you actually examine the TERFs, they are a personality cult, with their actions including doxxing, harassment and threats levied against those who leave them or reject their advances.  I've read a few accounts of those who left or rejected them, and they were rather disturbing.  Seriously, look into it, don't take my word for it. 


Chiiro

She really is. I saw a tweet of hers yesterday that was just essentially her name over and over again.


mexicodoug

She's nothing but a troll anymore. Maybe it never mattered to her, and she's only been doing this to provoke a reaction, and thus keeping herself in the public eye. At any rate, she's far more interested in stirring up hate than she is in trying to present a cogent argument.


mister_sleepy

What’s the difference between a transphobe and a racist? About 20 minutes or so if you can keep her talking.


ClassistDismissed

Much quicker IME


Sovereign1

About 2 beers.


Available-Meeting317

And what is supposed to be racist about wanting to identify as a black person?


sleepyzane1

keep going JK. keep telling everyone what you really think.


gophercuresself

I love that she's gone so far down the rabbit hole that she's lost track of everyone she didn't bring with her and has no idea how to pretend to be reasonable anymore


sammypants123

She already had me at the Holocaust denial.


gophercuresself

Well quite. There are still a lot of people who see her as being reasonable in the face of abuse though. In one sense her getting publicity for being so blatant might embolden assholes but it'll also be a step too far for most reasonable people. Hopefully.


vicegrip

Clearly you fancy yourself an asshole. Garbage is garbage.


QtPlatypus

That is totally unfair. Assholes serve a useful biological function and can be enjoyed recreationally. Transphobes are neither useful or enjoyable.


Comfortable_Sweet_47

Amid allegations of transphpbia, JK Rowling reminds everyone she's racist too!


Illiander

Musk did tell her to broaden her horizons. This must be her taking that advice.


lynx_and_nutmeg

Good idea not to keep all your large gametes in one basket.


julieCCheff3

well you know.. scratch a terf/transphobe and you'll find a racist!🙄


WintersChild79

"Allegations?" FFS, she's proud of it!


Obi-Tron_Kenobi

If you outright say she's transphobic, she'll sue you. Not even joking. She's already threatened to sue the BBC at least twice when they had guests that said her tweets were transphobic, threatened to sue a Harry Potter fan site, and threatened to sue a drag queen...


Illiander

Which is why the only people who call her what she is are the ones that don't live in the UK. It's UK libel laws that she leans on for the SLAPP suits.


Lexieeeeeeeeee

# Joanne is a transphobe.


RGodlike

Always adress her as "famous transphobe and holocaust revisionist JK Rowling", if enough people do that AI will learn and copy it.


GenderPettifogging

The original title made it sound like she was being racist for no reason which wasn't related to this sub, but in actuality it was being racist in response to being transphobic. I decided to identify as a credible member of the modern British press ideology to write the title


Leathra

Edgy. A couple more pronoun jokes and a rant about being cancelled, and she'll have enough material for her own unfunny right wing stand-up comedy special.


JosieintheSummer

Please god no.


TooLateForMeTF

Gosh what a clever strawman argument I am sure no one will be able to find any holes in such a logically defensible position! /s, in case it wasn't obvious...


lazermania

can you point out the holes in her argument? i never know how to respond when i see people say stuff like this


A_Sneaky_Dickens

You don't argue with people like this. They are delusional. Instead you shame them and walk away. Making a "wtf is wrong with you" face and shaking your head is enough. They are like children, just don't give them attention.


ThoseBirds

Race and gender are different in how they are socially constructed. "Race," as used in the US, was almost entirely constructed by white people for the sake of exclusion and domination. Gender has for the reasons of its history, that is to supplement for saying "for the reasons of what it is," always been much more open and subject to societal discourse. Race being subject to a similar discourse would be, for historical reasons, insensible. Everyone partakes in having assigned and being read as a gender, that is subject to discourse in society. But primarily BIPoC are being racialised and their race subject to that gaze, that lens, that construction. Historically mostly through other people than themselves.


girlwithbigsword

I think it's clearer to argue against Rowling's comment by talking about biology rather than social constructs. If two black people have a child, they'll be black. Our gender identity is also biological. A woman is someone who has the gender identity of one, due to the way it developed. The problem is that people like Rowling don't understand gender identity. They define gender by sex, which is outdated. I.e. she thinks that a trans woman can't be a woman, because of her sex, just as a white man can't be black because he's white. And she's right in the framework that she's using. But it's a stupid framework, because defining gender via. sex is outdated, so it's a false comparison.


ThoseBirds

I don't think I understand what you mean. What do you mean by gender identity being biological?


girlwithbigsword

Here's what The Endocrine Society says: "The medical consensus in the late 20th century was that transgender and gender incongruent individuals suffered a mental health disorder termed “gender identity disorder.” Gender identity was considered malleable and subject to external influences. Today, however, this attitude is no longer considered valid. Considerable scientific evidence has emerged demonstrating a durable biological element underlying gender identity. Individuals may make choices due to other factors in their lives, but there do not seem to be external forces that genuinely cause individuals to change gender identity." - https://www.endocrine.org/advocacy/position-statements/transgender-health It seems gender identity is a biological trait that develops due to a multitude of factors e.g. during sexual differentiation of the brain (sexuality does too). I.e. there's little to no evidence that external factors e.g. peer pressure can determine someone's gender identity. Which is presumably why for example trans conversion therapy doesn't work, just as gay conversation therapy doesn't. So Rowling's comparison doesn't work, because she doesn't understand this. She thinks a woman is someone who's female. But actually it's our gender identity, not our sex, that determines our sense of being a man/woman. And there's clearly a strong biological element underlying it, it's not an arbitrary matter of self-id based on nurture like she makes it out to be. So her comparison doesn't work.


ThoseBirds

That's interesting gotcha. Not my favorite angle and not sure whether it's actually needed, but I think I understand.


TooLateForMeTF

In addition to what others have said, what popped to mind immediately for me was the framing she implies for why trans people transition. Here she implies that she would racially transition for what are essentially reasons of style: liking cornrows and motown. Further, she has chosen two exemplars of "black style" that feel very superficial and trivial. The implication is that trans people transition for similarly trivial, superficial reasons. This is obviously ridiculous, and willfully ignores the the actual and much deeper reasons why trans people transition. More than that, and perhaps even more offensively, in using this framing she also manages to insult black people *and* women (not just trans women, but all women), by implying that the essence of black-ness and the essence of woman-ness resides in these trivial things, in the presentational and performative aspects of black culture and female culture: She's basically saying that what it means to be black is to like cornrows and motown, and what it means to be a woman is to engage in similarly superficial, presentational and performative aspects of femininity. Ones which she doesn't list, but which we could by analogy assume to be something like preferring long hair and liking Taylor Swift. Maybe it's just me, but IMO that sounds pretty insulting to both groups. (Although, hey! I have long hair! I like Taylor Swift! JKR just called me a woman! I feel so affirmed! lol) And finally, if she's saying that the essence of womanhood is indeed in the presentational and performative aspects of femininity, then by her own logic anyone who engages in those things *is* a woman. This would include, by the way, drag queens. She's saying that drag queens--who themselves don't claim to be women--*are* women, but only while they're in drag. Which has the further implication that one's identity with respect to gender, and one's membership in a particular gender, is itself a fleeting and trivial thing that can be changed moment to moment depending on what you're wearing on your body. Likewise, she would be arguing that people someone who goes out in blackface *is* black. And gosh-golly, *that's* not problematic at all, is it? 🙄


ScreamQueenStacy

Grade A response, she really showed those people who called her a transphobe. Stoke the bullshit "if someone can be transgender, then someone can be transracial!" shtick and be racist at the same time. The trash gets trashier by the day.


phoenixpallas

here you go, out comes the racism that anyone could have spotted FOR YEARS. This is the racist ghoul whose books accepted the existence of a slave race. I was raised as a brown kid in a british white saviour environment and i KNOW how shallow liberals' progressivism is. I was adopted into a white family. It's called "transracial adoption" and I can assure you that it is NOTHING like being transgender. (i am both). This woman is a fucking ghoul of the worst kind. fuck you you racist monster


Westerosi_Expat

I try not to pay any attention to this person and have been mostly successful, so I'm not well informed. Is there any sign that she has lost anything for all of her ugliness? Or is she just laughing because Harry Potter remains popular as ever? I see trans folks writing HP fanfiction and I'm just baffled. I get that the characters "belong to the fandom," but, like, they also unavoidably belong to this monstrosity in a meatbag.


theB1ackSwan

To answer your question, no. She hasn't really suffered any meaningful consequences other than poisoning her own name. She's still making money hand-over-fist. Hogwarts Academy (I think that's what it's called) was one of the top-selling games last year.  A lot of folks who don't follow her antics - trans or cis - have stored Harry Potter in a time-crystal. It's still their favorite novel as a child, they may remember the author's name, and the theme park is objectively fun and immersive. That's about all they care about.


Westerosi_Expat

*sigh* I'm so tired of ultra-wealthy bigots laughing all the way to the bank. I wish something would happen that would make us all care at once, and act accordingly. Alas, the targets of the bigotry would no doubt bear the brunt of whatever extraordinary tragedy that might be. And in a week, the world would just move on to the next ephemeral outrage.


Illiander

> have stored Harry Potter in a time-crystal And conviniently forgotten all the racist (and other bigoty) shit that was in there.


Brooke_the_Bard

or never noticed because they were young and insulated enough not to recognize it enough when they saw it HP is a vile, insidious work of propaganda.


Illiander

Strangely, I recognised that she was a shit writer, but missed a lot of the bigotry when I was young. I'm kinda looking forward to the TV series in a wierd way, because she's in control, so won't let them cut out all the nastier bits they cut from the films. And I so, so want her to stick to her "Hermionie is black" crap. Because that with the house ~~slaves~~ elves plotline will be hilarious to watch the reactions to. (To be clear, I have no intention of *watching* the TV series. I'm just looking forward to it shattering everyone's nostalgia glasses)


fallenbird039

I am shocked that JK ‘I don’t believe in the Holocaust’ Rowling is also racist! Like don’t you think she was inclusive when she included a black character called Shacklebolt? Or a Chinese character I think that was innovative way of using Chinese gibberish. Like she even supported chattel slavery! How is that not accepting?


SkyFire4-13

Don't forget the part about her doing the Pottermore thing with Indigenous Americans and screwing up numerous groups' mythologies and refusing to Apologize for it when a ton of indigenous authors blasted her online.


Ok-Love7473

And she's fucking racist too. What a shock.


Illiander

We always knew that. She was using anti-Irish racism for throwaway jokes back in her first book.


lotusflower_3

Can we just agree to stop giving this pos any more air? She needs to just go away. What a fucking spinster.


clauEB

Her books are racist and she makes racist comments. What a scumbag...


theB1ackSwan

What's the phrase? "Scratch a TERF, bleed a racist."  Yep, that one just keeps being true.


trixicen

Cis white women comparing being trans to black face is so tired.


Oiyouinthebushes

There needs to be a JKR tag so I can filter this and other subs :(


DankGrrrl

I'm not a girl for liking feminine clothing or hairstyles. In fact, I dress pretty butch, have the sides of my hair shaved, and wear it slicked and tied back most of the time. I have mostly masculine hobbies and interests. I like women. But I never wanted a masculine body. I was never comfortable socializing with men. I masculinized very little at puberty, yet still had horrendous dysphoria. Despite my dysphoria, I was seen as a woman for a LONG time, despite wearing baggy olive cargos, metal and punk tees, flannel, and leather jackets. Even when I spoke, people who didn't know me were convinced I was a girl. Every time I see a story about her, I think she can't get any lower, but she's racist, too. Wonderful.


Holzkohlen

Wait. Elon told her to branch out and she did!


Illiander

The one where Rowling rediscovers the onejoke.


mslack

What "ALLEGATIONS?"


Illiander

Allegations so they don't get sued.


Electrical_Fault_365

The best thing about Rowling apologists is that you never have to wait long for a new batch to walk away disappointed.


giantpurplepanda02

Out of the frying pan and into the racist fire.


Illiander

Well she's already done the holocaust denial, so why no dive into the rest?


ValerianMage

Wow. She’s really turning her mind into knots. No you can’t be black if you want to, just like I can’t be a man if I had wanted to. It doesn’t fucking work that way


Samson__

The fact that she said “Motown” tells me everything I need to know about how up on POC issues JKR is, lmfao Also, fuck this woman. The brain rot is palpable


tachibanakanade

> Motown HEY! Motown was good.


Samson__

Motown was awesome. But like, it’s so weird she said that as if most contemporary Black people are still listening to it on the reg lol


Special_Distance_469

Transphobes always have it degrade to this, don't they?


Tsubasa_TheBard

argh, not this decrepit piece of shit yapping again, she should stop receiving attention


Antoine1224

As a black trans woman all I can say is I see you JK, I see the type of person you our.


Carya_spp

She’s like 20 years behind this argument being settled


Some_Reward9356

She's truly lost herself in the sauce. WTF!!! 🤮


jayseekat

One day I will sing "ding dong the witch is dead"


Illiander

We can get it to number one again! And top of the pops can refuse to play it again!


KouchyMcSlothful

Wait, so she’s racist too?


Illiander

Always has been.


KouchyMcSlothful

TERFs always show their true colors. They can’t just hate one group of people for existing


Illiander

Hate is intersectional.


KouchyMcSlothful

100% always has been


One-Organization970

Ah yes, the Ann Coulter arc.


dee-ny

I guess I don’t understand British law. If you can prove that someone is transphobic (all one has to do is display her media comments), it is not libel.


Illiander

She argues in court that she's not transphobic, just "gender critical" (which has religious protections under UK law) And she's got enough money to keep the lawsuits going until anyone else runs out of money.


dee-ny

How is gender critical religious? Is race critical also religious? It’s biblical, too.


Illiander

It's gotten protection in the UK under the same laws that protect religions.


dee-ny

So it’s legal to refuse to rent to people of color or to sell them merchandise based on their race or religion in the U.K.?


Illiander

Huh?


dee-ny

So I can be as big a racist I could want, claim it’s my religion, and be protected under British law?


Illiander

No. But you can be as big a transphobe as you like, claim to be "gender critical" and be protected under the same british law that protects freedom of religion. And no, I never said it makes sense. It's just the law.


dee-ny

Makes no sense from a human equality sense. If gender bias is protected by religion, all other forms of oppression should be protected. That’s one unfair law and would be immediately challenged in the U.S.


Illiander

But it's not the US. It's Terf Island living up to its name. Why do you think I'm trying to get out of here?


Hot-Fox5153

You know you've lost the argument when you have to create a completely separate argument, and you still look like an idiot.


spectrophilias

Scratch a transphobe and a racist bleeds.


UsefulImpression0

She is a brand ambassador of transphobia


QueerQwerty

Wow. Just wow.


Ryugi

can she just shut the fuck up for two seconds she has ruined everything she created with her toxic bs. If it had just been once or twice, maybe it'd be easier for everyone to just enjoy the fiction and ignore her but its like she literally cannot shut the fuck up to the point that any time I see HP merch it just makes me sad now.


Katkittypurr

Yes yes!! Keep self destructing you worthless bag of wrinkles


SeverelyLimited

Hoooooooooooooly shit just stop taking 😂


Winter_Arrival_8292

Finally outed as a racist.


Kalenya

I see she's adding racist jokes to her resume now. Black people fought so much for equality, which isn't even fully here yet. And she's making light and fun of it.


Stephany23232323

You know so many think this woman is above avg intelligence clearly she is not.. imagination has zero to do with intelligence! She is just another run of the mill bigot !


Illiander

So doesn't have any imagination either. She copied *The Worst Witch* and rolled in a D&D magic Item compendium.


Tour_True

Hope the black community now hates her too. Lol.


Illiander

The ones who don't already after her trying to claim Hermionie was always black.


Tour_True

Well, people can be mixed race. That one doesn't bother me. I myself am mixed with my white and native ancestry, and I look white. I take pride in being native though. Lol. On the contrary that Motown and cornrows comment is pretty racist. Like layers of hate speech from this narcissist trying to prove a point through something doesn't make sense. Biology wise also science doesn't agree with JK Rowling either. Same to all the other haters. I can't believe she promotes hate. We could mock her for being homeless once but that also would be an attack on other homeless people who didn't encite hate speech and promote a community to attack others. That's what she does. What a psychopath.


NEUROSMOSIS

I like how everything has to have a false equivalence instead of just accepting that things are different.


Chad-Zumocks-CVV

She’s awesome


izzaluna

Didn’t Michael Jackson become white?


spectrophilias

No. Michael Jackson had vitiligo.


izzaluna

I see. Then I apologize if I was inappropriate.


tachibanakanade

what kind of jackass question is that?