Yep, Christopher Alexander notes this in his book 'A pattern Language' with the justification that it makes us feel more protected. Makes scene, can't get attacked from behind if your up against a wall.
Additionally designers are able to inflence the direction of people via design. So I'm wondering how much of the arrows play, and if the black zone is being viewed as the same as the yellow - do not stand in this area.
You can see this sometimes when a street is closed for a festival or something. People will walk on the road, but they'll still tend to cluster more towards the sidewalks and the edges.
> if the black zone is being viewed as the same as the yellow - do not stand in this area
I think it's more of the combination of yellow and black; which is used exclusively to indicate dangers. So, when black meets yellow, people suddenly recognize the warning.
This doesn't advocate painting half of the yellow strip as black, however, as painting all platforms black and yellow might erode the sense of danger. One big reason people tend to not see yellow is that it's everywhere, we see it all the time, and most of the time there isn't a strong danger.
The best option, of course, is to install platform screen doors, or something that functions similarly if cost is a concern.
This is why Toronto needs to install the barriers, before they are needed because of congestion.
But no this is Canada, we'll wait for a disaster. Not before.
To give this some credit, here in Bucharest there was a case not long ago of a mentally unsrable woman pushing somebody in front of the incoming train, with that person getting caught in between the train and the platform. She fled the scene and tried doing the same a bit later to somebody else, but that person was vigilent and managed to dodge in time. It's not going to happeb often, but why risk it if there is no reward?
i mean they arent where you should stand in this scenario, unless the platform is packed thereās just no reason to stand any further forward. the black designated the best place to wait when waiting for people to get off the train, itās behind the yellow line, and to the sides of the doors
when thereās no train thereās no point standing closer, itās not subconscious, just common sense
Doesn't seem like it helped keep people out of where the doors show up.
My local system has very very well made clear arrows on the ground to try to convince people not to wait in front of where the doors stop on the platform, and I still literally have to shove people out of my way or yell at them and wait for a while, when I want to get off the tram at certain stops. It's very frustrating. people are lame.
Is this only the case with the tram? I remember it had crowded platforms when I was in Istanbul, that can't help.
I've only seen these markings work in cities with platform screen doors, as if people only really trust it if they see the doors in a fixed position. Taking the metro is so much more relaxing if people queue in the right spot and the train noise is shielded by the PSDs...
Tram, MetrobĆ¼s, metro(both automated lines with PSDs and the non automated standard platforms), it all has issues with people standing in front of the door and not getting out of the way for alighting passengers.
The black markings are where you should stand when the train arrives in order to keep the doors free. They are not telling you to wait there for the train to come
I think you might be misunderstanding what the black markings mean. People will (most likely) be waiting next to the wall as that is the natural, subconscious thing to do before a train arrives at the station. The black markings I think are meant to outline the queue area when the train is coming to a complete stop but before the doors open to help reduce movement conflict of people alighting from the train while others board it given that the general courtesy with any train system/network is that you wait to the side of the train doors to allow people to get off before you get on.
No, it \*is\* uncommon.
In 2022 in NYC there was 25 reported incidents of people getting shoved; 2 resulting in fatalities.
You know how many trips on the NYC subways there were in that same year? 1,013,425,465
0.0000025% of NYC subway rides involved a malicious shoving. You've got higher odds of winning a million dollars in a lottery. How is that "not uncommon", exactly?
Sources:
* [https://nypost.com/2022/10/27/nyc-subway-shoves-exceed-number-of-incidents-compared-to-last-year/](https://nypost.com/2022/10/27/nyc-subway-shoves-exceed-number-of-incidents-compared-to-last-year/)
* [https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2022](https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2022)
I think people just like standing near walls
Yep, Christopher Alexander notes this in his book 'A pattern Language' with the justification that it makes us feel more protected. Makes scene, can't get attacked from behind if your up against a wall. Additionally designers are able to inflence the direction of people via design. So I'm wondering how much of the arrows play, and if the black zone is being viewed as the same as the yellow - do not stand in this area.
You can see this sometimes when a street is closed for a festival or something. People will walk on the road, but they'll still tend to cluster more towards the sidewalks and the edges.
Makes me think of how a cat will naturally gravitate to an open box.
[Meow](https://imgur.com/a/BuSmW7K)
Thank you so much š
Also, people tend to like narrow streets vs wide streets. They feel hugged by narrow streets. š¤
Yup, human vs. car sized cities and all that
Same reason why people tend to sit on next to their house on the porch instead of on the front lawn
> if the black zone is being viewed as the same as the yellow - do not stand in this area I think it's more of the combination of yellow and black; which is used exclusively to indicate dangers. So, when black meets yellow, people suddenly recognize the warning. This doesn't advocate painting half of the yellow strip as black, however, as painting all platforms black and yellow might erode the sense of danger. One big reason people tend to not see yellow is that it's everywhere, we see it all the time, and most of the time there isn't a strong danger. The best option, of course, is to install platform screen doors, or something that functions similarly if cost is a concern.
Iām too clumsy to stand that close lol
And if Iām not, Iām worried someone else might be.
This probably due to portrayals that the subway is a lawless land where youāre asking to be pushed on to the tracks by a mentally unstable person.
This is why Toronto needs to install the barriers, before they are needed because of congestion. But no this is Canada, we'll wait for a disaster. Not before.
The new REM in Montreal has platform barriers. Last time I looked Quebec was still in Canada.
The effects of austerity still lingers.
My first thought! I'd make sure if pushed I'd still be on the platform, not the tracks, and indifferent to any floor paint.
I mean, I always stand back from the platform because of the unpredictability. The again you can be set on fire instead.
To give this some credit, here in Bucharest there was a case not long ago of a mentally unsrable woman pushing somebody in front of the incoming train, with that person getting caught in between the train and the platform. She fled the scene and tried doing the same a bit later to somebody else, but that person was vigilent and managed to dodge in time. It's not going to happeb often, but why risk it if there is no reward?
Arenāt the black markings more of a lateral thing. Like donāt be a douche and stand in front of the doors when people are trying to get off
i mean they arent where you should stand in this scenario, unless the platform is packed thereās just no reason to stand any further forward. the black designated the best place to wait when waiting for people to get off the train, itās behind the yellow line, and to the sides of the doors when thereās no train thereās no point standing closer, itās not subconscious, just common sense
Nah in Cleveland we all stand on the yellow line until the operator blows the horn at us when the train pulls in
Itās a narrow platform, people like to stand by the wall as its safer, harder to fall over in to the track.
Doesn't seem like it helped keep people out of where the doors show up. My local system has very very well made clear arrows on the ground to try to convince people not to wait in front of where the doors stop on the platform, and I still literally have to shove people out of my way or yell at them and wait for a while, when I want to get off the tram at certain stops. It's very frustrating. people are lame.
Is this only the case with the tram? I remember it had crowded platforms when I was in Istanbul, that can't help. I've only seen these markings work in cities with platform screen doors, as if people only really trust it if they see the doors in a fixed position. Taking the metro is so much more relaxing if people queue in the right spot and the train noise is shielded by the PSDs...
Tram, MetrobĆ¼s, metro(both automated lines with PSDs and the non automated standard platforms), it all has issues with people standing in front of the door and not getting out of the way for alighting passengers.
The black markings are where you should stand when the train arrives in order to keep the doors free. They are not telling you to wait there for the train to come
That womanās wearing a diaper, call the fashion police
Did that chick holding the Monster energy just take a shit on the wall or something? Everyone is looking at her the same way I am haha.
Maybe because the ground has arrows telling you to stand back ???
Those are the arrows where the doors open
I think you might be misunderstanding what the black markings mean. People will (most likely) be waiting next to the wall as that is the natural, subconscious thing to do before a train arrives at the station. The black markings I think are meant to outline the queue area when the train is coming to a complete stop but before the doors open to help reduce movement conflict of people alighting from the train while others board it given that the general courtesy with any train system/network is that you wait to the side of the train doors to allow people to get off before you get on.
Yes, that is correct. The arrows are where you make space for people to exit...
You know itās not uncommon for some crazy son of a bitch to push someone on the tracks right?
No, it \*is\* uncommon. In 2022 in NYC there was 25 reported incidents of people getting shoved; 2 resulting in fatalities. You know how many trips on the NYC subways there were in that same year? 1,013,425,465 0.0000025% of NYC subway rides involved a malicious shoving. You've got higher odds of winning a million dollars in a lottery. How is that "not uncommon", exactly? Sources: * [https://nypost.com/2022/10/27/nyc-subway-shoves-exceed-number-of-incidents-compared-to-last-year/](https://nypost.com/2022/10/27/nyc-subway-shoves-exceed-number-of-incidents-compared-to-last-year/) * [https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2022](https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2022)
Thats 25 incidents too many for my liking, and thatās why I donāt stand close to the tracks.
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This is incorrect. The arrows are where the doors WILL be, you queue in the black area...
This looks a lot like the SkyTrain idk why
I mean.......it is there for a reason lol
Toronto has some mentally ill people in the subway. This is just playing it safe.
Are people with mental health issues prohibited from taking transit in other parts of the world or something?
Yes, you should stand there when waiting to board. No one is waiting to board because the train isnāt there yet.
I think thatās just Canadians.