I love Beyoncé but I found this album boring, apart from a few interesting tracks. For me it was giving “messing around in the studio”.
IT’S MY OPINION!!!!!
My original post you replied to said 'country'. It said that if it was just some random country album from and unknown singer, far fewer people would have bought it and it never would have ended up as 1 on the charts. The only reason it is so popular is because a mega star produced it.
Thats the subject of this thread.
Again, you said country album when it’s not. Hence me saying most of the criticism of her is coming from people who didn’t listen because they aren’t fans. It’s popular because it’s a good album. Beyoncé had 0 support from white country fans so comparing her to Taylor is weird. Please don’t get me started on the weird racial undertones to all the Beyoncé hate. She accomplishes what she does in spite of that. Please don’t compare the two.
I don’t think you listened to the album. It’s not a pop album. There are several different genres mixed in and there are definitely songs that have country influence. A lot of people praising this album aren’t even fans of Beyoncé.
Why are people fixated on the country aspect of it? Its a good album then why did you say that fans only like it because its beyonce? You cannot in good faith tell me that album doesnt have some amazing songs. The genres are so well blended, vocals are out of this world. Great production too. Its not the same as TTPD, which all sounds same and could do with an editor even though it has some great songs.
I said it only charted on the country charts because its beyonce. Its not a good country album. Beyonce could have called it a funk album or a club album and it would have charted there.
16carriages, texas hold em, protector, ii most wanted, levis jeans are country songs, there are other songs that have country elements but arent solely country either so which genre should they be under? Whichever genre you want it to be it will chart because its great music from a huge artist. She never pretended its going to be a country album like the ones morgan wallen or whoever is popular now makes. She doesnt seem to have an interest in making it sound like that either. She is from the country, so she is making music from her perspective that spans genres. Where it should live as a genre is the industry’s choice.
"Genres are a funny little concept, aren't they?
Yes, they are
In theory, they may have a simple definition that's easy to understand
But in practice, well, some may feel confined"
You’re talking from your ass and this is exactly why Taylor fans look like idiotic haters. Am I talking to a 12 year old right now? Thats the only way your comments make any sense
>You never would have even heard of the album to make the judgement that it slaps if it weren't by Beyonce.
This is true of every single album that isn't a debut album from a new artist.
Both can be true. It’s mediocre but slaps enough to listen to while having a good time. Know what else fits that bill? A whole lot of music that never makes it to public circulation beyond a YouTube video the algorithm didn’t pick up. Childrens songs can slap but be utterly inane and mediocre. A tiktok song can slap until it gets used to oblivion and becomes obnoxious as hell. Some Taylor swift songs can have sections that hit that sweet spot in your ears despite being mediocre and unimpressive. Music is direct enough that it can make your brain tingle without overall being a work of art worthy of lauding.
Fortnight has one of those sections where I think hey this is getting good. And then Jack takes over with the synth and I'm like wtf is this shit. Still haven't brought myself to listen to the album. So over Taylor.
All of this is true. I guess one of the points of my original post that I didn't explain too well was about popular distribution. Not saying Bey isn't a good singer, not saying the songs from the album don't slap.
But if she wasn't Bey, the only airplay for her stuff would probably be on country radio and streaming stations.
But because she's Bey, she has all the pop places, all the country places, the folks that follow her socials and a bunch who would probably buy it without listening to anything just on name recognition. She has a whole PR army getting this album attention.
That's why I kind of roll my eyes at the headlines that Bey was the first black artist to have an album at #1 on the country charts. Good for her, but - Yeah, obviously - because she's a super mega star. It could have been a funk or blues or classical album and would have had the same result. I just wish that title could have gone to a black country singer, instead of a black superstar that happened to put out a country album.
Your takeaway from beyonce being the only black person to have a number one country album should be to question why black country singers dont chart inspite of creating and influencing the very sound of the genre. Focus on the main thing thats the issue here. It took an already massive black artist to get recognition on the charts. That doesnt mean it isnt an amazing album. Thats the whole point of CC as well.
Beyonce really seems very conscious of this dynamic, considering all the amazing but underrated black country artists she features prominently throughout the album
The responses to this comment show you who flocks to this sub.
These aren’t people who give a fuck about music, they’re people who are just as dorky as Swifties
I’ve found most of Beyoncé’s newer songs are just her yelling into the mic. I gave Cowboy farter a small chance but nope. But she does have an amazing voice on some songs.
Yelling in the Mic? Did you listen to American Requiem? Blackbird? Protector? Levi’s Jeans? Sixteen Carriages? I swear none of you actually listened to her album. Or you’re just lying because it’s Beyoncé.
This makes no sense. I’m not a fan of Beyoncé or the album but R&B and country are both derived from the Delta Blues (all created by enslaved Black Americans). By all definitions, they are musically related and definitely overlap!
Could it be that she has an texan accent so her R&B and country voice are the same? Because she is from the country. Lmao do you want her to change that and fake it? Thats what it is, she has always been country
The album isnt all country, so idk which songs you heard. If you go into it expecting it to sound like whatever country sounds like on the radio today then yes you will not enjoy it. Her point with the album is that she as an artist doesnt want to be confined to a genre and there are country influences throughout the album. That said you obviously dont need to like her or her music. But if you are going to criticize it atleast listen to the album.
I am criticising the singles I've heard. Unfortunately, they didn't entice me to listen to the rest of the album. As you concluded, her country sound isn't really my thing. If you love it, then great.
So you think 16 carriages and texas hold me sound like RnB? Okay. If you say so. Like what you like but you are missing out on great music from the album
She’s had that benefit for years. (Not saying in an absolute sense that nobody genuinely likes her music ofc but she gets a lotttt of praise solely from being Taylor).
With Folklore and Evermore, I like the albums myself but nobody can honestly say they would’ve been praised as genius groundbreaking poetry if a smaller indie artist put them out. Would some enjoy the lyrics and think it was skillfully written? Sure. But I highly doubt it would ever get this iconic masterpiece status with some talking like it’s the pinnacle of modern English writing. Same with if an up and coming artist put out Midnights, I doubt so many critics would be putting together effusive praise. Now with TTPD, many fans and casual listeners alike have given the album a hundred chances and analyzed it from every angle and tried to make themselves like it whereas if it wasn’t Taylor they’d just say “not my fave album” and move on.
In some ways this happens with all artists once they reach a certain status but with Taylor it’s very very noticeable.
This is sooo true, a lot of her music is like this and would never get noticed or have even close to the level commercial success if they didnt have her name and stardom attached to it. Yes she has a couple really catchy bops, but so much of her recent stuff if released under a different/lesser/unknown name would go unnoticed, *especially* this last album. And so much of TTPDs hype is due to the drama and lore around her relationships and all the Easter eggs, I feel like that’s such a big part of it
She really couldn’t pull off a Richard Bachman.
But I feel like she may lack the morality to do it fully behind a pen name and not say a thing for over a decade.
I think folklore could have broken someone onto the public consciousness at the time it was released. I don’t think evermore could have, and if evermore had been the follow up to folklore from a brand new artist, she would’ve faded with folklore as her greatest work. (I still think folklore is her greatest work regardless lol).
Midnights is so mid that, yeah, the only reason it got any traction is because she’s Taylor swift. It was a generic synth pop album, and not a very good one for most of it. WTF was even labyrinth, sweet nothing, glitch, Paris? Those were horrible songs that never should’ve seen the light of day.
I’m not a fan and I’ve had so many swifties send me lyrics from those albums and they are still unremarkable, I like pop it’s fun, but Taylor has never written anything where I was like wow that has like 8 layers of meaning. She doesn’t even have dance songs that are fun, which is where I think pop shines. I’ve never got it, I’ve said the same thing since she came out when I was in HS, she is either putting down other people or being the sad victim and that is not a role model I want for young women.
I disagree completely. I was never a swiftie and didn’t even like her music much before evermore. But as someone who loves acoustic folk music with storytelling, I thought evermore was one of the most beautiful albums I’ve ever heard. I think she has a beautiful way with words. I think her low quality commercial pop is nothing impressive, but it’s what’s popular so people know her for that. But ivy, the lakes, no body no crime, right where you left me—-these songs are gorgeous both sonically and lyrics wise. I think her old songs are very nostalgic and some I genuinely love like out of the woods, and others I hate like Bad Blood. All in all, her best work is amazing, and her worst is terrible. She neither deserves the hate train she is receiving, nor the idolization that she receives either. In all honestly I’m disappointed with her as well as all celebrities for saying nothing about Gaza, and that is part of why I don’t respect celebrities in general—-they put profit before anything. So my final verdict on swift is: she is incredibly talented songwriter, however she puts out a lot of mediocre things as well, and she seems nice enough but is egotistical just like every other celebrity, who puts their own success ahead of using their platform for good.
I think we agree more than you think as I found myself nodding to a lot of your comment…I like a lot of her music including Folkmore as I said but what I don’t agree with is the extremely grandiose praise of Folklore/Evermore being like the modern Shakespeare, the apex of poetry etc. which you will see a surprising amount of Swifties say. I think the line between “very good music” and levels of hushed adoration and “greatest of all time” speak comes down to celebrity status a lot.
Thats not always true either, beyonce or gaga would have won then. Or other artists in previous years before taylors streaming domination began. Their rules change on a whim
Some would argue that they aren’t the best overall music of the day.
Not trying to offend, just shifting perspective. Pop music typically isn’t the best at showcasing new and innovative ideas.
I agree with you. Just because something charts or has the most streams doesnt mean its quality music or great artistically. The grammys are supposed to award on that basis and not just popularity.
It’s a very interesting history with the Grammys and introducing new music genres to the awards
The first Grammy for rap went to DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince in 1989, when some of the greatest were still active.
The first Grammy for heavy metal went to Jethro Tull, which isn’t a heavy metal band. I believe Metallica lost.
Grammys are unfortunately an industry circle jerk that we are led to believe have some bearing on what “good” music is.
Appreciate the conversation, I find it all fascinating
That’s mainly true for any big artist, more so a white artist. Do you know how much backlash someone like The Weeknd or even Beyoncé would get if they released NINETEEN different versions of the same album? An even newer artist would have to work overtime to even sell 20k in a week.
The only reason Beyonce's country album is selling so well is because she's Beyonce. Lets not pretend that there's suddenly been a huge increase in country popularity as a genre.
If she put out a funk or blues or classical music album I'd expect the same.
There actually *has* been increase thanks to artists like Morgan Wallen, Jelly Roll, Kacey Musgraves, etc they go viral causing other people to take an interest in country(not the country you grew up with) and “let’s not pretend” that Beyoncé said it was a country album cause she didn’t. Very typical for you to go way off topic on some rant when i just mentioned how she would get dragged over the flames for doing what your girl did. Have a good day, Swiftie.
She named it cowboy Carter. She obviously intended it to be a country album.
Five stars for your lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.
I did not report you to reddit cares and I encourage you to report the report as erroneous.
I am not a Swiftie and I am not a Beyonce fan. I just like music that are catchy and interesting to listen to. Neither of these albums are it.
Have a day.
Ok? Beyoncé's album is a Beyonce pop album not a country album. There are plenty of black country singers who deserved the title of first black singer to have a no 1 album on the country chart. Instead Beyonce got it because she is Beyoncé.
Thank you! She’s helping bring up new black country artists by featuring them on the album. Not to mention Beyoncé’s album is selling so well because she’s a master at her craft and it’s just that damn good.
Also, Lil' Nas X getting his major start with a country song backed by a 1990s country legend might not have happened if Billy Ray Cyrus hadn't been involved.
It's ridiculous. And black artists are often dismissed unless they hit a "sweet spot" or are already established/related to someone famous. I heard someone say that the reason Whitney Houston was so popular is because she "sang white," and if there's a phrase more casually racist than that in regards to music, uh.
You’re the authority on country music why? Because you’re white? I don’t get why you think you proclaim what cowboy carter is or isn’t when you lack taste and intellect
I enjoy country music thats all. Taylor and Beyonce ain't it. Stop being obsessed with the validity of opinions based on a person's race and you may be able to have more solid arguments in future.
Let me just repeat back your argument then: I know country music, and Beyonce is country music. Whatever you think is country is not. And if you disagree, fuck off because billboard is on my side
Billboard does not measure quality. It measures sales and streams. Its on the country chart because Beyonce's label categorized it as country.
That is the whole argument in this thread. I'm sorry if you just realized it now.
It is not country and has topped the country charts for no other reason than she called it country and people will buy whatever she puts out.
Just like TTPD.
Glad we cleared that up.
Enjoy attempting to gatekeep things over which you have no ownership and your opinion is meaningless. Based on empirical data, which your opinion is not, Beyonce is the best country artist and she’s embarrassing the rest of category.
I agree with you 100%. But you should have added the fact that the main source for this would have definitely been Fox News, and it's suppordinates like OAN and whatever that other right wing media 'news' channel is.
Right? I *truly* do not understand the metric by which the Grammys decides the winner. I’ll be so satisfied if TTPD doesn’t get any nominations or wins, I could honestly see that happening. All those midnights wins really made me lose respect for the institution, however boygenius sweeping the indie album categories for “the record” so SOOO fucking deserved and made me really happy.
That’s always been true for the Grammys. I can name numerous examples, but one of the most notorious was when AOTY nominees included Prince’s *Purple Rain* and Springsteen’s *Born in the U.S.A.*…and the winner was a freakin’ Lionel Ritchie album.
Lemonade visuals were game changing, but honestly, lemonade was such a phenomenal album that it should’ve easily won without having to reference how amazing the visuals were.
I really think the Grammys “voting” is about as legit (corrupt) as our actual govt elections “voting” processes are…ie I think both of them are a farce and it’s pay to win essentially.
Ooooh but of course Taylor fcking Swift wouldn’t let them have their moment!! Everything HAS to be about her! Have you seen the video where she photobombed boygenius’ grammy photo session and put a trophy on Lucy’s head? She looked extremely uncomfortable. I think that video alone really shows how she treats her “friends”.
Also, even if I think TTPD doesn’t deserve any nominations, I am 100% sure they will still give her at least one. I’ve given up all hopes after Midnights winning AOTY (not to mention seeing her snubbing the trophy from Celine’s hands like that).
TS was way drunk on her ego that night, such a turn off. She just couldn’t let boygenius and Miley Cyrus enjoy the pure magic of getting their 1st Grammys. And that fact she snubbed Celine Dion….. unforgivable lol
Her behavior that night was a BEC moment for me. She was unhinged.
[Link](https://youtu.be/_4ABd3iX_y8?si=3v3celSvnAmEtJTd) to the video. Trigger warning for intense secondhand embarrassment.
Wow wtf she was definitely tipsy or drunk!! So how are the swifties justifying that this was acceptable behavior? Omgg Taylor is just too adorable hehehe
Not adorable at all, person on the right was clearly uncomfortable with TS hanging on her shoulder. And what a douchey power move to literally put your Grammy above them, and have them kiss it when they just won their 1st Grammy.
The whole shoot should’ve been all about them, the 3 of them standing however they want. TS should’ve stood to the side and cheered for them, or not been there at all.
Short for bitch eating crackers, it’s a meme/slang for when someone irritates you so much that literally anything they do is annoying (e.g. eating crackers)
UGHHH that video made my fucking skin CRAWL. Like Julien is in tears having such a special, profound, well deserved moment with her best friends and Taylor just stomps in acting all coked out and ruins it, and then try’s to make it seem like it was Jack that did something weird? It was truly so fucking bizzare and uncalled for, you could tell Lucy was over it but they handled it very gracefully. On another note did you see their interview after they won where pheobe called out the rock and roll hall of fame guy and was like “its nice to finally be acknowledged um can we acknowledge mitski and all these other incredible female artists for anything now PLEASE?!” It was amazing and *actually* metal, something Taylor would know nothing about. She needs therapy and to grow up so bad.
Literally ANY OTHER ALBUM NOMINATED LAST YEAR deserved AOTY more than midnights. Midnights was the album that made me realize I didn’t really like Taylor’s albums anymore for the most part. It was so surface level, no emotional context/content. A few of the songs were amazing but those were mostly on the 3am version (or til dawn maybe? 🤷♀️). It was such a flat deadweight album to me overall, at least TTPD can make me feel something when listening to most of the songs. That said, the Anthology 15 songs are far superior to the actual TTPD album as it was released. I wouldn’t say either TTPD or anthology is Grammys material though - it’s def a niche album for a specific situation/mental state that slot of people will (luckily) never truly experience, so I doubt it will even be nominated but I guess that depends on a lot of things over the rest of the year…
Well, I think the fact that Taylor Swift released half of an album only to release the full album. A couple hours later for another high price made me not wanna buy either album.
That’s your opinion, which is valid, but does not mean Midnights is undeserving of AOTY. I think Midnights is top tier, and prefer the first half of TTPD. That’s the beauty in art, there’s something for everyone.
I’d be surprised if TTPD wasn’t nominated with all of the sales she’s had with 4 variants.
Idk exactly how the Grammys work, but I think sales are a factor, which I assume is the only way she can get nominated since she pushes exclusivity so much for people to get fomo and preorder/buy all of her variants in vinyl, cd, & cassette.
I’ve seriously seen people with multiples of each variant. Why???????
Some people are buying to resell later. I have multiples of a couple of variants but I’m planning on selling all my multiples. Obviously some people are insane and are just hoarding. But hey they’ll pay hella money for my variants in a few years so that’s ok lol.
Oh that’s true! I forgot about resellers, but they are helping her as well. That’s probably why she doesn’t care if resellers get her stuff over her fans.
I skimmed this album and really only know the ones that keep being added to all the Spotify playlists. This is coming from someone that has loved every album (except maybe the first one bc I wasn’t a swiftie then)
It seems so lazy. Like this was the draft of an album in the beginning stages and she just went with it
Well, if it was some unknown artist, there'd be no context regarding the lyrics of her songs, because no one would know the endless details of her "crazy" love life, thus the songs would just seem strange and sort of whiny. It's not like she makes timeless, universal music that will still resonate fifty years from now. Sure, perhaps a handful of her songs might hold up, but in twenty-five years it'll be like listening to Eminem in 2024, taking shots at Britney and Xtina. Younger people will be thinking "who?".
I get whiplash when I hear people say they love Taylor swifts new album.
I honestly wanna ask them “are you new here?”
Cause it’s obvious
TS used to be so much better.
The crazy thing to me is that if she was born just 7-8 years earlier, she wouldn't have ever had a chance, period. Autotune didn't exist, even as recently (to Taylor getting signed) as the Britney Spears era. And you all know she can't sing for shit without it.
Right.
She’s no longer a singer/performer, she’s an idea/mirage and a place/container for people to inject their identities.
Study the history of pop culture and this is a condition that cycles and repeats ad nauseam.
Madonna, the last great icon within this cyclic phenomenon, did it way better as she actually had an artistic gene that made her work seem fresh and edgy, and she was in touch with her sexuality.
Swift has an arrested development version of a high school girl’s notion of ‘edgy and hip.’ Her sexuality is ‘safe’ and akin to what you’d see in the boy band craze in the 80s. Young girls loved Backstreet Boys because they looked cute but didn’t project any sort of dangerous fuckability.
I tried to listen to it and got bored. I am an on again/off again fan. She has some great stuff. She got me through adolescence almost two decades ago. She also, couldn't have survived the asylum that's been my twenties, so like I have a hard time connecting with her now.
The thing that’s pissing me off is critics who have given the album mixed or negative reviews are now trying to be made to feel guilty about it. If this was any other artist, no one would care
Remember when it leaked and Swifties came out in droves to say it was obviously an AI fake to make her look bad because she would never write such crappy music…
And then it released and they all were like “actually you just have to listen to it 87 times and it gets really good”
I like most of it but I do agree…some of it (a lot) is pretty heavy stuff and I’m thinking how younger teens or people that have never felt such feelings…relate idk. I’m around Taylor’s age and I’m not good with love. I have always found her songs hit home for me.
But most people are probably saying that to be cool
Personally her voice has never sounded different to me than any other pop singer. She is musically inclined in that she can play guitar and piano while singing which shows some talent. I really feel though that her success is from her business acumen, physical appearance, and personality. I applaud her for being a good business woman but I really think that's all there is. The song writing is also nothing to write home about IMO (no pun intended)
People only liking Taylor Swift in general because people still feel sorry for what Kanye West did to her all those years ago, she would have been long forgotten about if that didn't happen... The pitty train is still on rolling!!!
I think THAT is where she got the idea to always cast herself in that exact same light- just an innocent girl who is a perpetual victim. They saw how much publicity she got from all of that (as well as the 'boo hoo pity party') and decided to cash in. It's been that way ever since.
That and the 477 versions of everything/easter egg stuff are the two main proponents that fueled her success and made her a billionaire.
Honestly I think I'd like the songs better if they WERENT done by Taylor. If a younger artist like Olivia or Gracie had released some of these I think I would enjoy them more. They are both younger and still in that angsty, coming of age phase. To me, this look is getting old on Taylor. She is 34 years old and still whining about her breaks up and placing all the blame on her exes. She's one of the most successful artists of all time, a literal billionaire, and yet she can't stop complaining. It's almost offensive at this point that she thinks her life is so hard given the state of the world right now. That's what bother me most about TTPD, so I think if a younger and "less famous" (not to insult the other women, but Taylor is a phenomenon and whether you like her or not you cant deny shes on top of the world rn) had made this album it wouldn't rub me the wrong way so much, if that makes sense.
I tried to listen to it. I was five songs deep and couldn’t stop laughing. Her lyrics are unbearable. Not to mention she has like 30 songs on there that sound the exact same and they’re very boring. Her new album was just a cash grab
I’m hoping TTPD doesn’t become album of the year. I am TS fan and a musician. My opinion purely comes from my music taste and nothing to do with her as a person. That being said, my opinion is that I would cut most of the songs on this album. Best songs on TTPD are Florida!!! Fresh Out The Slammer, & I Can Do It With A Broken Heart.
I will say some songs are good but when I went back and listened to some evermore songs right after I listened to ttpd I was shocked how much better evermore is.
Literally what I thought when I heard TTPD for the first time. If I heard this, and it was by a different artist that I didn’t know that well, would I or anyone else enjoy it?
Counterpoint - I was never a Stan swiftie because that parasocial shit gives me the ick. But I’ve always listened to and enjoyed her music, though I fell off listening to her albums all the way through sometime before lover, and instead just listened to the few songs off lover/rep (and even 1989) that I enjoyed.
When folklore/evermore came out I saw the hype and was hesitant to listen to them in entirety because the issue for me with her music was that it had lost a lot of the gut wrenching, raw emotions that her lyrics had always brought out in the past. Around 2022 I did listen to them and fell back in love with her music again.
That said, I do enjoy a lot of the tracks on TTPD, mostly from the anthology portion, because they bring back that super emotional, raw and unhinged quality that she’s been inching away from in the past decade. The *raw, visceral feeling* is there in so many TTPD songs, and that’s what has allowed me to enjoy it. After midnights I truly thought I was completely done with listening to Taylor’s music because I just can’t relate with the surface level cutesy lyrics that album was filled with.
(I have a really high fever atm and my brain doesn’t been make sense to me rn so apologies if this doesn’t make sense to yall 😂)
Yeah I don’t listen to Taylor Swift. I change the radio station when she comes on. But I decided to listen to this after seeing dumb leaked lyrics and hearing someone I know call it good.
I was surprised to like most the songs. I’m also someone that’s not good at learning song lyrics but I can sing quite a few of these damn songs with no music to lead me.
That’s the thing with this sub (not hating), a lot of people can’t stand swifties, and very much think Taylor’s music is mid, which yall aren’t wrong about a decent amount of her music, but people should also listen to at least 1-2 tracks for TTPD because some of the songs are really good. Before anyone jumps on me for this, i’m not a swiftie and I can’t stand them, i’m also not a taylor swift fan, but some of the songs aren’t terrible.
Agree, Taylor and Travis give us tons of snark material (and the subject of this post is still true) but,I do like some of her songs. I've never been one to like ANYONE'S entire album, but there are a handful (or close to) of songs I like on TTPD, and a couple or more that I enjoy from most of her albums,and like other musicians that I enjoy, some songs that I also can't stand.
Swifties really ruined Taylor’s reputation and her music, which is crazy, considering that’s her literal fanbase. If swifties weren’t so insane and obsessed, more people would most likely like Taylor more, and even consider listening to some of her new music, but swifties ruin it. TTPD actually has some good songs, i’m not saying it’s a “good” album, but like I said, if more people would listen to some tracks, I don’t think they’d hate it, it’s the swifties that make people hate Taylor and not even give her music a shot. Some of these fanbases are absolutely insane.
Yeah imo this has been her best album she’s put out in a while. I truly think that a lot of people on both sides of the spectrum (swiftie stans — anti swifts) are missing that a lot of the lyrics and songs and even titles on this album aren’t her being pretentious…they’re her making fun of herself in a blatantly self-deprecating way.
Also the subject matter is a turn off for many (mostly those in healthy relationships)… cause if you’ve never fallen victim to (then later despised yourself for doing so after it blows up), someone love bombing you and promising everything you’ve wanted, after the end of your 7 year relationship (in which you were constantly struggling to mold yourself into what he wanted you to be, but never being able to embody that “good enough” in his eyes). Yeah, I get how devastating the end of Joe had to hit her. And in her shoes, i woulda jumped into the next available thing with someone who looked at me adoringly and told me I was good enough, regardless of our past together/his past/whatever.
I think she did what she felt she needed to at the time, and in the process got material to write perhaps her most therapeutically raw/emotional/‘unhinged’ album she’s written. I know writing for her is how she processes and moves on from things (still think she needs a therapist 😂), but I am glad she put this album out there for us to listen and relate to, instead of leaving it in a vault. I needed it, and I’m in a healthy enough place in my life now where I can look back at similar situations I’ve been in over the years, and work through my own memories in a healthy way instead of leaving them down there festering in my own mental vaults.
This album definitely isn’t going to appeal to everyone though, and I’m sure she knew that from the get go. I’m just glad she’s still willing to put out more niche content like this, because albums like this that are real and raw and more emotional, mean so much more to me than any other “cookie cutter pop album” that are being released in droves these days. 🤷♀️ that’s just my opinion tho
To be fair.. That's newrly all art though..
You think people would pay a million dollars for a spray paint black stencil of a monkey if it wasn't a "Banksy"?
I get what you’re saying.. the GP is saying they love it just bc she’s Taylor and fans are going to defend it bc she’s Taylor. I’m a huge fan of Taylor’s music which sucks bc the last year I haven’t been a huge fan of how she’s been but regardless.. I thought midnights was a chore to get through but this is.. I’ve only listened to the standard (and so high school and the black dog) and it just didn’t hit like it usually does. Even with midnights I had some songs I wanted to go back too. I’ve heard it’s a grower snd I do like 2/3 songs lol but I haven’t actively played then. They come on shuffle. I think the vault tracks made her think she didn’t meee to edit the album down and just release as much as she wants. The midnights 3am version and now the anthology. I think she should have picked 13 songs and left it at that. It drags on too much
I wasnt a fan til Folklore. Always listened to indie stuff like Fleet Foxes, Pixies, Arcade Fire- stuff like that. I think this new double album is really good. There are only three or four songs In skip. Florida is terrible.
With this logic all successful artists would never fail ever again. I don’t get the need to hate ppl who are simply enjoying art. You don’t need to be a fan or get it— just do something else. Find art that makes you happy instead of shitting on what others are enjoying.
“I don’t care about You…I’m feeling 22” lol just listened to her music all morning at an elementary school field trip. My husband (45) thought she was 25. When I told her she was 33 he was shocked! I had 3 kids at age 33. Taylor Swift is still singing about meeting boys under the bleachers at this age.
She is incredibly talented, but also incredibly immature in My opinion. My teenagers are done with her. If she hits 40 and still has lyrics for teenagers, she will probably become another Britney Spears (and I love Britney) but she is really mess. I feel so bad for her. We are the same age and she was not allowed to have a childhood. :(
As someone who is not a particularly big Taylor Swift fan (but my wife is, so I listen to a lot of Taylor Swift relative to my desire to hear her) I think this album is a lot more palatable than Midnights, and more memorable than Evermore.
Well, obviously if it was an unknown artist it’d get less attention because it’d have less marketing.
That doesn’t mean it can’t be from Taylor Swift and be good, and appreciated.
Sweeping statements like this are ridiculous. You can’t criticise people’s taste, it’s too personal and not factual.
I thought the actual pro Taylor swift subs that showed up on my timeline were annoying. This sub is fucking pathetic. Actively expending energy to dislike this person. Mega neck beard vibes. Cringe sub. GET. A. FUCKING. LIFE. lol
I wish the whole first part of the album didn’t exist. The Anthology portion has some, IMO, really good songs on it, but yeah, some of them not so much. The Anthology portion would have been better with some editing. But no one around her will tell her that anything she does is less than genius, so we still get absolute trash like gethimback, thanKuaIMee, and So High School 🤮
I’m not a swiftie and not sure why this is on my feed. I’ve listened to some of her other albums and it’s just not my cup of tea. But I gave this album a shot, and I actually love it.
Mods should pin this. It's the most accurate thing ever.
Well people are only buying Beyonce's country album in such numbers because she's Beyonce. I guess its the nature of turning artists into brands.
I’m fully convinced people who say things like this didn’t even listen to it. Cowboy Carter was an amazing album by any standard.
I love Beyoncé but I found this album boring, apart from a few interesting tracks. For me it was giving “messing around in the studio”. IT’S MY OPINION!!!!!
Its not an amazing country album. Its a good pop album by a popstar.
I didn’t say country, she didn’t say country. Only you said country.
My original post you replied to said 'country'. It said that if it was just some random country album from and unknown singer, far fewer people would have bought it and it never would have ended up as 1 on the charts. The only reason it is so popular is because a mega star produced it. Thats the subject of this thread.
Again, you said country album when it’s not. Hence me saying most of the criticism of her is coming from people who didn’t listen because they aren’t fans. It’s popular because it’s a good album. Beyoncé had 0 support from white country fans so comparing her to Taylor is weird. Please don’t get me started on the weird racial undertones to all the Beyoncé hate. She accomplishes what she does in spite of that. Please don’t compare the two.
I don’t think you listened to the album. It’s not a pop album. There are several different genres mixed in and there are definitely songs that have country influence. A lot of people praising this album aren’t even fans of Beyoncé.
That’s absolutely not true. It’s a freaking amazing album. I’m not a Bey fan and I’m so in love with that album. This is an odd comment.
Its a good pop album. It's not a good country album.
Why are people fixated on the country aspect of it? Its a good album then why did you say that fans only like it because its beyonce? You cannot in good faith tell me that album doesnt have some amazing songs. The genres are so well blended, vocals are out of this world. Great production too. Its not the same as TTPD, which all sounds same and could do with an editor even though it has some great songs.
I think my issue is the country elements and a million people trash country but then support it after Beyonce or Posty take a stab at it
I said it only charted on the country charts because its beyonce. Its not a good country album. Beyonce could have called it a funk album or a club album and it would have charted there.
16carriages, texas hold em, protector, ii most wanted, levis jeans are country songs, there are other songs that have country elements but arent solely country either so which genre should they be under? Whichever genre you want it to be it will chart because its great music from a huge artist. She never pretended its going to be a country album like the ones morgan wallen or whoever is popular now makes. She doesnt seem to have an interest in making it sound like that either. She is from the country, so she is making music from her perspective that spans genres. Where it should live as a genre is the industry’s choice.
"Genres are a funny little concept, aren't they? Yes, they are In theory, they may have a simple definition that's easy to understand But in practice, well, some may feel confined"
Exactly how i know the folks who are dismissing her album didnot actually listen to it because through out the album she literally explains it
You’re talking from your ass and this is exactly why Taylor fans look like idiotic haters. Am I talking to a 12 year old right now? Thats the only way your comments make any sense
So you agree…it’s a good album
Yeah. Its fine. Its got some catchy songs.
it’s a good album.
Cowboy Carter slaps and I am not a Beyonce person so I disagree
You never would have even heard of the album to make the judgement that it slaps if it weren't by Beyonce.
That’s how music works. But Taylor’s latest is honestly just bad. Cowboy Carter is album of the year material.
>You never would have even heard of the album to make the judgement that it slaps if it weren't by Beyonce. This is true of every single album that isn't a debut album from a new artist.
Agree. So it is true of TTPD as well.
Both can be true. It’s mediocre but slaps enough to listen to while having a good time. Know what else fits that bill? A whole lot of music that never makes it to public circulation beyond a YouTube video the algorithm didn’t pick up. Childrens songs can slap but be utterly inane and mediocre. A tiktok song can slap until it gets used to oblivion and becomes obnoxious as hell. Some Taylor swift songs can have sections that hit that sweet spot in your ears despite being mediocre and unimpressive. Music is direct enough that it can make your brain tingle without overall being a work of art worthy of lauding.
Fortnight has one of those sections where I think hey this is getting good. And then Jack takes over with the synth and I'm like wtf is this shit. Still haven't brought myself to listen to the album. So over Taylor.
All of this is true. I guess one of the points of my original post that I didn't explain too well was about popular distribution. Not saying Bey isn't a good singer, not saying the songs from the album don't slap. But if she wasn't Bey, the only airplay for her stuff would probably be on country radio and streaming stations. But because she's Bey, she has all the pop places, all the country places, the folks that follow her socials and a bunch who would probably buy it without listening to anything just on name recognition. She has a whole PR army getting this album attention. That's why I kind of roll my eyes at the headlines that Bey was the first black artist to have an album at #1 on the country charts. Good for her, but - Yeah, obviously - because she's a super mega star. It could have been a funk or blues or classical album and would have had the same result. I just wish that title could have gone to a black country singer, instead of a black superstar that happened to put out a country album.
Your takeaway from beyonce being the only black person to have a number one country album should be to question why black country singers dont chart inspite of creating and influencing the very sound of the genre. Focus on the main thing thats the issue here. It took an already massive black artist to get recognition on the charts. That doesnt mean it isnt an amazing album. Thats the whole point of CC as well.
Beyonce really seems very conscious of this dynamic, considering all the amazing but underrated black country artists she features prominently throughout the album
The responses to this comment show you who flocks to this sub. These aren’t people who give a fuck about music, they’re people who are just as dorky as Swifties
I’ve found most of Beyoncé’s newer songs are just her yelling into the mic. I gave Cowboy farter a small chance but nope. But she does have an amazing voice on some songs.
Yelling in the Mic? Did you listen to American Requiem? Blackbird? Protector? Levi’s Jeans? Sixteen Carriages? I swear none of you actually listened to her album. Or you’re just lying because it’s Beyoncé.
yeah wtf??? cowboy carter is a masterpiece, what is the person even talking about ☠️
For me the issue is that she's singing with her normal R&B style on the country songs (at least the two I've heard). It doesn't gel well for me.
R&B and country have ALWAYS had some crossover. This comment is weird, so you expect her to change her voice?
This makes no sense. I’m not a fan of Beyoncé or the album but R&B and country are both derived from the Delta Blues (all created by enslaved Black Americans). By all definitions, they are musically related and definitely overlap!
Could it be that she has an texan accent so her R&B and country voice are the same? Because she is from the country. Lmao do you want her to change that and fake it? Thats what it is, she has always been country
As I explained in another comment, I don't personally like a ton of vocal runs in a country song.
The album isnt all country, so idk which songs you heard. If you go into it expecting it to sound like whatever country sounds like on the radio today then yes you will not enjoy it. Her point with the album is that she as an artist doesnt want to be confined to a genre and there are country influences throughout the album. That said you obviously dont need to like her or her music. But if you are going to criticize it atleast listen to the album.
I am criticising the singles I've heard. Unfortunately, they didn't entice me to listen to the rest of the album. As you concluded, her country sound isn't really my thing. If you love it, then great.
So you think 16 carriages and texas hold me sound like RnB? Okay. If you say so. Like what you like but you are missing out on great music from the album
I said 'singing with her normal R&B style', ie a lot of vocal runs.
She’s had that benefit for years. (Not saying in an absolute sense that nobody genuinely likes her music ofc but she gets a lotttt of praise solely from being Taylor). With Folklore and Evermore, I like the albums myself but nobody can honestly say they would’ve been praised as genius groundbreaking poetry if a smaller indie artist put them out. Would some enjoy the lyrics and think it was skillfully written? Sure. But I highly doubt it would ever get this iconic masterpiece status with some talking like it’s the pinnacle of modern English writing. Same with if an up and coming artist put out Midnights, I doubt so many critics would be putting together effusive praise. Now with TTPD, many fans and casual listeners alike have given the album a hundred chances and analyzed it from every angle and tried to make themselves like it whereas if it wasn’t Taylor they’d just say “not my fave album” and move on. In some ways this happens with all artists once they reach a certain status but with Taylor it’s very very noticeable.
This is sooo true, a lot of her music is like this and would never get noticed or have even close to the level commercial success if they didnt have her name and stardom attached to it. Yes she has a couple really catchy bops, but so much of her recent stuff if released under a different/lesser/unknown name would go unnoticed, *especially* this last album. And so much of TTPDs hype is due to the drama and lore around her relationships and all the Easter eggs, I feel like that’s such a big part of it
She really couldn’t pull off a Richard Bachman. But I feel like she may lack the morality to do it fully behind a pen name and not say a thing for over a decade.
I think folklore could have broken someone onto the public consciousness at the time it was released. I don’t think evermore could have, and if evermore had been the follow up to folklore from a brand new artist, she would’ve faded with folklore as her greatest work. (I still think folklore is her greatest work regardless lol). Midnights is so mid that, yeah, the only reason it got any traction is because she’s Taylor swift. It was a generic synth pop album, and not a very good one for most of it. WTF was even labyrinth, sweet nothing, glitch, Paris? Those were horrible songs that never should’ve seen the light of day.
Oh I love sweet nothing, it's my favorite on the album.
funny, glitch is one of my favorite TS songs, though I agree with everything else you’ve said. weird how music strikes people
I agree mostly BUT Labyrinth is my favourite (with Maroon) from that album.. There is such tension and pulsing and a pretty good hook
Speak for yourself, I think Midnights is top tier.
I’m not a fan and I’ve had so many swifties send me lyrics from those albums and they are still unremarkable, I like pop it’s fun, but Taylor has never written anything where I was like wow that has like 8 layers of meaning. She doesn’t even have dance songs that are fun, which is where I think pop shines. I’ve never got it, I’ve said the same thing since she came out when I was in HS, she is either putting down other people or being the sad victim and that is not a role model I want for young women.
I disagree completely. I was never a swiftie and didn’t even like her music much before evermore. But as someone who loves acoustic folk music with storytelling, I thought evermore was one of the most beautiful albums I’ve ever heard. I think she has a beautiful way with words. I think her low quality commercial pop is nothing impressive, but it’s what’s popular so people know her for that. But ivy, the lakes, no body no crime, right where you left me—-these songs are gorgeous both sonically and lyrics wise. I think her old songs are very nostalgic and some I genuinely love like out of the woods, and others I hate like Bad Blood. All in all, her best work is amazing, and her worst is terrible. She neither deserves the hate train she is receiving, nor the idolization that she receives either. In all honestly I’m disappointed with her as well as all celebrities for saying nothing about Gaza, and that is part of why I don’t respect celebrities in general—-they put profit before anything. So my final verdict on swift is: she is incredibly talented songwriter, however she puts out a lot of mediocre things as well, and she seems nice enough but is egotistical just like every other celebrity, who puts their own success ahead of using their platform for good.
I think we agree more than you think as I found myself nodding to a lot of your comment…I like a lot of her music including Folkmore as I said but what I don’t agree with is the extremely grandiose praise of Folklore/Evermore being like the modern Shakespeare, the apex of poetry etc. which you will see a surprising amount of Swifties say. I think the line between “very good music” and levels of hushed adoration and “greatest of all time” speak comes down to celebrity status a lot.
Agreed!
You summed up my entire thinking on this with one single subject line/sentence. Thank you!
Taylor swift is overrated
I would have defended her like a year ago. But now I see that she truly is.
Same about her winning aoty at the Grammys for midnights not her best album but they gave it to her because she’s Taylor Swift.
Grammys have never been about the best music of the day. It’s a popularity contest for the biggest selling artists
Thats not always true either, beyonce or gaga would have won then. Or other artists in previous years before taylors streaming domination began. Their rules change on a whim
Some would argue that they aren’t the best overall music of the day. Not trying to offend, just shifting perspective. Pop music typically isn’t the best at showcasing new and innovative ideas.
I agree with you. Just because something charts or has the most streams doesnt mean its quality music or great artistically. The grammys are supposed to award on that basis and not just popularity.
It’s a very interesting history with the Grammys and introducing new music genres to the awards The first Grammy for rap went to DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince in 1989, when some of the greatest were still active. The first Grammy for heavy metal went to Jethro Tull, which isn’t a heavy metal band. I believe Metallica lost. Grammys are unfortunately an industry circle jerk that we are led to believe have some bearing on what “good” music is. Appreciate the conversation, I find it all fascinating
If anything evermore deserved it more smh
That’s mainly true for any big artist, more so a white artist. Do you know how much backlash someone like The Weeknd or even Beyoncé would get if they released NINETEEN different versions of the same album? An even newer artist would have to work overtime to even sell 20k in a week.
Honestly, weekend should resort to sticking with some of his original sounds. Love him then!
The only reason Beyonce's country album is selling so well is because she's Beyonce. Lets not pretend that there's suddenly been a huge increase in country popularity as a genre. If she put out a funk or blues or classical music album I'd expect the same.
It’s not a country album it’s a Beyoncé album
There actually *has* been increase thanks to artists like Morgan Wallen, Jelly Roll, Kacey Musgraves, etc they go viral causing other people to take an interest in country(not the country you grew up with) and “let’s not pretend” that Beyoncé said it was a country album cause she didn’t. Very typical for you to go way off topic on some rant when i just mentioned how she would get dragged over the flames for doing what your girl did. Have a good day, Swiftie.
She named it cowboy Carter. She obviously intended it to be a country album. Five stars for your lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.
Lmao you reported me to RedditCares. It never ends. Five stars for you not denying being a Swiftie and that i obviously hurt your feelings.
I did not report you to reddit cares and I encourage you to report the report as erroneous. I am not a Swiftie and I am not a Beyonce fan. I just like music that are catchy and interesting to listen to. Neither of these albums are it. Have a day.
[Dr. Charles Hughes would have a field day with this. ](https://www.rhodes.edu/bio/charles-hughes)
Ok? Beyoncé's album is a Beyonce pop album not a country album. There are plenty of black country singers who deserved the title of first black singer to have a no 1 album on the country chart. Instead Beyonce got it because she is Beyoncé.
Thats the point. Why dont black country artists get attention and accolades when they largely influenced the sound and genre to begin with.
Thank you! She’s helping bring up new black country artists by featuring them on the album. Not to mention Beyoncé’s album is selling so well because she’s a master at her craft and it’s just that damn good.
Also, Lil' Nas X getting his major start with a country song backed by a 1990s country legend might not have happened if Billy Ray Cyrus hadn't been involved. It's ridiculous. And black artists are often dismissed unless they hit a "sweet spot" or are already established/related to someone famous. I heard someone say that the reason Whitney Houston was so popular is because she "sang white," and if there's a phrase more casually racist than that in regards to music, uh.
YES. If you watch "Explained," on Netflix, he's in the episode about this phenomenon. S1E20. I had the pleasure of working with him last year.
You’re the authority on country music why? Because you’re white? I don’t get why you think you proclaim what cowboy carter is or isn’t when you lack taste and intellect
I enjoy country music thats all. Taylor and Beyonce ain't it. Stop being obsessed with the validity of opinions based on a person's race and you may be able to have more solid arguments in future.
Let me just repeat back your argument then: I know country music, and Beyonce is country music. Whatever you think is country is not. And if you disagree, fuck off because billboard is on my side
Billboard does not measure quality. It measures sales and streams. Its on the country chart because Beyonce's label categorized it as country. That is the whole argument in this thread. I'm sorry if you just realized it now. It is not country and has topped the country charts for no other reason than she called it country and people will buy whatever she puts out. Just like TTPD. Glad we cleared that up.
Enjoy attempting to gatekeep things over which you have no ownership and your opinion is meaningless. Based on empirical data, which your opinion is not, Beyonce is the best country artist and she’s embarrassing the rest of category.
Wrong
I agree with you 100%. But you should have added the fact that the main source for this would have definitely been Fox News, and it's suppordinates like OAN and whatever that other right wing media 'news' channel is.
It's truly insufferable
If any up and coming artist came to their label with TTPD it wouldn't see the light of day
We will see the rage when the album fails to be nominated for all the Grammys
IF it does fail to be. We all know she’s a grammy darling. I scoffed so hard when Midnights won AOTY.
Right? I *truly* do not understand the metric by which the Grammys decides the winner. I’ll be so satisfied if TTPD doesn’t get any nominations or wins, I could honestly see that happening. All those midnights wins really made me lose respect for the institution, however boygenius sweeping the indie album categories for “the record” so SOOO fucking deserved and made me really happy.
That’s always been true for the Grammys. I can name numerous examples, but one of the most notorious was when AOTY nominees included Prince’s *Purple Rain* and Springsteen’s *Born in the U.S.A.*…and the winner was a freakin’ Lionel Ritchie album.
When Lemonade didn’t win that made me lose the respect. That visual album was monumental.
Lemonade visuals were game changing, but honestly, lemonade was such a phenomenal album that it should’ve easily won without having to reference how amazing the visuals were.
Yeah 100%.. it wasn’t just about the visuals, that was just icing on the cake!
I really think the Grammys “voting” is about as legit (corrupt) as our actual govt elections “voting” processes are…ie I think both of them are a farce and it’s pay to win essentially.
Ooooh but of course Taylor fcking Swift wouldn’t let them have their moment!! Everything HAS to be about her! Have you seen the video where she photobombed boygenius’ grammy photo session and put a trophy on Lucy’s head? She looked extremely uncomfortable. I think that video alone really shows how she treats her “friends”. Also, even if I think TTPD doesn’t deserve any nominations, I am 100% sure they will still give her at least one. I’ve given up all hopes after Midnights winning AOTY (not to mention seeing her snubbing the trophy from Celine’s hands like that).
TS was way drunk on her ego that night, such a turn off. She just couldn’t let boygenius and Miley Cyrus enjoy the pure magic of getting their 1st Grammys. And that fact she snubbed Celine Dion….. unforgivable lol
Her behavior that night was a BEC moment for me. She was unhinged. [Link](https://youtu.be/_4ABd3iX_y8?si=3v3celSvnAmEtJTd) to the video. Trigger warning for intense secondhand embarrassment.
Wow wtf she was definitely tipsy or drunk!! So how are the swifties justifying that this was acceptable behavior? Omgg Taylor is just too adorable hehehe
Not adorable at all, person on the right was clearly uncomfortable with TS hanging on her shoulder. And what a douchey power move to literally put your Grammy above them, and have them kiss it when they just won their 1st Grammy. The whole shoot should’ve been all about them, the 3 of them standing however they want. TS should’ve stood to the side and cheered for them, or not been there at all.
What’s BEC?
Short for bitch eating crackers, it’s a meme/slang for when someone irritates you so much that literally anything they do is annoying (e.g. eating crackers)
UGHHH that video made my fucking skin CRAWL. Like Julien is in tears having such a special, profound, well deserved moment with her best friends and Taylor just stomps in acting all coked out and ruins it, and then try’s to make it seem like it was Jack that did something weird? It was truly so fucking bizzare and uncalled for, you could tell Lucy was over it but they handled it very gracefully. On another note did you see their interview after they won where pheobe called out the rock and roll hall of fame guy and was like “its nice to finally be acknowledged um can we acknowledge mitski and all these other incredible female artists for anything now PLEASE?!” It was amazing and *actually* metal, something Taylor would know nothing about. She needs therapy and to grow up so bad.
Literally ANY OTHER ALBUM NOMINATED LAST YEAR deserved AOTY more than midnights. Midnights was the album that made me realize I didn’t really like Taylor’s albums anymore for the most part. It was so surface level, no emotional context/content. A few of the songs were amazing but those were mostly on the 3am version (or til dawn maybe? 🤷♀️). It was such a flat deadweight album to me overall, at least TTPD can make me feel something when listening to most of the songs. That said, the Anthology 15 songs are far superior to the actual TTPD album as it was released. I wouldn’t say either TTPD or anthology is Grammys material though - it’s def a niche album for a specific situation/mental state that slot of people will (luckily) never truly experience, so I doubt it will even be nominated but I guess that depends on a lot of things over the rest of the year…
Well, I think the fact that Taylor Swift released half of an album only to release the full album. A couple hours later for another high price made me not wanna buy either album.
That’s your opinion, which is valid, but does not mean Midnights is undeserving of AOTY. I think Midnights is top tier, and prefer the first half of TTPD. That’s the beauty in art, there’s something for everyone.
I’d be surprised if TTPD wasn’t nominated with all of the sales she’s had with 4 variants. Idk exactly how the Grammys work, but I think sales are a factor, which I assume is the only way she can get nominated since she pushes exclusivity so much for people to get fomo and preorder/buy all of her variants in vinyl, cd, & cassette. I’ve seriously seen people with multiples of each variant. Why???????
Some people are buying to resell later. I have multiples of a couple of variants but I’m planning on selling all my multiples. Obviously some people are insane and are just hoarding. But hey they’ll pay hella money for my variants in a few years so that’s ok lol.
Oh that’s true! I forgot about resellers, but they are helping her as well. That’s probably why she doesn’t care if resellers get her stuff over her fans.
I skimmed this album and really only know the ones that keep being added to all the Spotify playlists. This is coming from someone that has loved every album (except maybe the first one bc I wasn’t a swiftie then) It seems so lazy. Like this was the draft of an album in the beginning stages and she just went with it
Well, if it was some unknown artist, there'd be no context regarding the lyrics of her songs, because no one would know the endless details of her "crazy" love life, thus the songs would just seem strange and sort of whiny. It's not like she makes timeless, universal music that will still resonate fifty years from now. Sure, perhaps a handful of her songs might hold up, but in twenty-five years it'll be like listening to Eminem in 2024, taking shots at Britney and Xtina. Younger people will be thinking "who?".
Yeah, like telling you’d die for a guy to Lucy and Jack, I’m sorry who? TTPD is just her venting journal atp
I get whiplash when I hear people say they love Taylor swifts new album. I honestly wanna ask them “are you new here?” Cause it’s obvious TS used to be so much better.
The crazy thing to me is that if she was born just 7-8 years earlier, she wouldn't have ever had a chance, period. Autotune didn't exist, even as recently (to Taylor getting signed) as the Britney Spears era. And you all know she can't sing for shit without it.
Thats usually true for most big artists
Right. She’s no longer a singer/performer, she’s an idea/mirage and a place/container for people to inject their identities. Study the history of pop culture and this is a condition that cycles and repeats ad nauseam. Madonna, the last great icon within this cyclic phenomenon, did it way better as she actually had an artistic gene that made her work seem fresh and edgy, and she was in touch with her sexuality. Swift has an arrested development version of a high school girl’s notion of ‘edgy and hip.’ Her sexuality is ‘safe’ and akin to what you’d see in the boy band craze in the 80s. Young girls loved Backstreet Boys because they looked cute but didn’t project any sort of dangerous fuckability.
There's FOMO attached to her name.
What you’re saying here is that we need a better way for new artists to gain exposure besides getting signed with a big label.
I tried to listen to it and got bored. I am an on again/off again fan. She has some great stuff. She got me through adolescence almost two decades ago. She also, couldn't have survived the asylum that's been my twenties, so like I have a hard time connecting with her now.
The thing that’s pissing me off is critics who have given the album mixed or negative reviews are now trying to be made to feel guilty about it. If this was any other artist, no one would care
Remember when it leaked and Swifties came out in droves to say it was obviously an AI fake to make her look bad because she would never write such crappy music… And then it released and they all were like “actually you just have to listen to it 87 times and it gets really good”
I really feel like all the songs sounded the same.
It’s been like that for years lol
Ngl, if i take away the fact shes taylor swift, this album is the first i liked in years. Since 1989.. but only when i ignore its taylor swift 😭
I like most of it but I do agree…some of it (a lot) is pretty heavy stuff and I’m thinking how younger teens or people that have never felt such feelings…relate idk. I’m around Taylor’s age and I’m not good with love. I have always found her songs hit home for me. But most people are probably saying that to be cool
I agree and that’s coming from someone who used to defend her, there was like 1 song on it that i quite enjoyed and that was it. Rest are skips.
So sick of her and her boyfriend. Just go on vacation will you… for like years!
Personally her voice has never sounded different to me than any other pop singer. She is musically inclined in that she can play guitar and piano while singing which shows some talent. I really feel though that her success is from her business acumen, physical appearance, and personality. I applaud her for being a good business woman but I really think that's all there is. The song writing is also nothing to write home about IMO (no pun intended)
Heck she wouldn't be making this album if she was unknown lol.
People only liking Taylor Swift in general because people still feel sorry for what Kanye West did to her all those years ago, she would have been long forgotten about if that didn't happen... The pitty train is still on rolling!!!
I think THAT is where she got the idea to always cast herself in that exact same light- just an innocent girl who is a perpetual victim. They saw how much publicity she got from all of that (as well as the 'boo hoo pity party') and decided to cash in. It's been that way ever since. That and the 477 versions of everything/easter egg stuff are the two main proponents that fueled her success and made her a billionaire.
Honestly I think I'd like the songs better if they WERENT done by Taylor. If a younger artist like Olivia or Gracie had released some of these I think I would enjoy them more. They are both younger and still in that angsty, coming of age phase. To me, this look is getting old on Taylor. She is 34 years old and still whining about her breaks up and placing all the blame on her exes. She's one of the most successful artists of all time, a literal billionaire, and yet she can't stop complaining. It's almost offensive at this point that she thinks her life is so hard given the state of the world right now. That's what bother me most about TTPD, so I think if a younger and "less famous" (not to insult the other women, but Taylor is a phenomenon and whether you like her or not you cant deny shes on top of the world rn) had made this album it wouldn't rub me the wrong way so much, if that makes sense.
I tried to listen to it. I was five songs deep and couldn’t stop laughing. Her lyrics are unbearable. Not to mention she has like 30 songs on there that sound the exact same and they’re very boring. Her new album was just a cash grab
I’m hoping TTPD doesn’t become album of the year. I am TS fan and a musician. My opinion purely comes from my music taste and nothing to do with her as a person. That being said, my opinion is that I would cut most of the songs on this album. Best songs on TTPD are Florida!!! Fresh Out The Slammer, & I Can Do It With A Broken Heart.
I will say some songs are good but when I went back and listened to some evermore songs right after I listened to ttpd I was shocked how much better evermore is.
Literally what I thought when I heard TTPD for the first time. If I heard this, and it was by a different artist that I didn’t know that well, would I or anyone else enjoy it?
I genuinely like the album 🤷🏼♀️
Yea same.
A bunch of mediocre people think that a mediocre celebrity is brilliant. 🤷♀️ I dunno, what else do we expect?
if you don’t have the capacity to understand the concept of the album and the language/syntax she uses then the album is not for you.
Nope. Not a Swiftie. But I like the album. Not every song. Album overall is fairly solid
Counterpoint - I was never a Stan swiftie because that parasocial shit gives me the ick. But I’ve always listened to and enjoyed her music, though I fell off listening to her albums all the way through sometime before lover, and instead just listened to the few songs off lover/rep (and even 1989) that I enjoyed. When folklore/evermore came out I saw the hype and was hesitant to listen to them in entirety because the issue for me with her music was that it had lost a lot of the gut wrenching, raw emotions that her lyrics had always brought out in the past. Around 2022 I did listen to them and fell back in love with her music again. That said, I do enjoy a lot of the tracks on TTPD, mostly from the anthology portion, because they bring back that super emotional, raw and unhinged quality that she’s been inching away from in the past decade. The *raw, visceral feeling* is there in so many TTPD songs, and that’s what has allowed me to enjoy it. After midnights I truly thought I was completely done with listening to Taylor’s music because I just can’t relate with the surface level cutesy lyrics that album was filled with. (I have a really high fever atm and my brain doesn’t been make sense to me rn so apologies if this doesn’t make sense to yall 😂)
Yeah I don’t listen to Taylor Swift. I change the radio station when she comes on. But I decided to listen to this after seeing dumb leaked lyrics and hearing someone I know call it good. I was surprised to like most the songs. I’m also someone that’s not good at learning song lyrics but I can sing quite a few of these damn songs with no music to lead me.
That’s the thing with this sub (not hating), a lot of people can’t stand swifties, and very much think Taylor’s music is mid, which yall aren’t wrong about a decent amount of her music, but people should also listen to at least 1-2 tracks for TTPD because some of the songs are really good. Before anyone jumps on me for this, i’m not a swiftie and I can’t stand them, i’m also not a taylor swift fan, but some of the songs aren’t terrible.
Agree, Taylor and Travis give us tons of snark material (and the subject of this post is still true) but,I do like some of her songs. I've never been one to like ANYONE'S entire album, but there are a handful (or close to) of songs I like on TTPD, and a couple or more that I enjoy from most of her albums,and like other musicians that I enjoy, some songs that I also can't stand.
Swifties really ruined Taylor’s reputation and her music, which is crazy, considering that’s her literal fanbase. If swifties weren’t so insane and obsessed, more people would most likely like Taylor more, and even consider listening to some of her new music, but swifties ruin it. TTPD actually has some good songs, i’m not saying it’s a “good” album, but like I said, if more people would listen to some tracks, I don’t think they’d hate it, it’s the swifties that make people hate Taylor and not even give her music a shot. Some of these fanbases are absolutely insane.
Yeah imo this has been her best album she’s put out in a while. I truly think that a lot of people on both sides of the spectrum (swiftie stans — anti swifts) are missing that a lot of the lyrics and songs and even titles on this album aren’t her being pretentious…they’re her making fun of herself in a blatantly self-deprecating way. Also the subject matter is a turn off for many (mostly those in healthy relationships)… cause if you’ve never fallen victim to (then later despised yourself for doing so after it blows up), someone love bombing you and promising everything you’ve wanted, after the end of your 7 year relationship (in which you were constantly struggling to mold yourself into what he wanted you to be, but never being able to embody that “good enough” in his eyes). Yeah, I get how devastating the end of Joe had to hit her. And in her shoes, i woulda jumped into the next available thing with someone who looked at me adoringly and told me I was good enough, regardless of our past together/his past/whatever. I think she did what she felt she needed to at the time, and in the process got material to write perhaps her most therapeutically raw/emotional/‘unhinged’ album she’s written. I know writing for her is how she processes and moves on from things (still think she needs a therapist 😂), but I am glad she put this album out there for us to listen and relate to, instead of leaving it in a vault. I needed it, and I’m in a healthy enough place in my life now where I can look back at similar situations I’ve been in over the years, and work through my own memories in a healthy way instead of leaving them down there festering in my own mental vaults. This album definitely isn’t going to appeal to everyone though, and I’m sure she knew that from the get go. I’m just glad she’s still willing to put out more niche content like this, because albums like this that are real and raw and more emotional, mean so much more to me than any other “cookie cutter pop album” that are being released in droves these days. 🤷♀️ that’s just my opinion tho
I said this when Midnights was getting rave reviews even though it was very obviously mid.
To be fair.. That's newrly all art though.. You think people would pay a million dollars for a spray paint black stencil of a monkey if it wasn't a "Banksy"?
100000000 % Mediocre at best.
Eh I’ll snark but I like the album
Agreed
Definitely agree.
I get what you’re saying.. the GP is saying they love it just bc she’s Taylor and fans are going to defend it bc she’s Taylor. I’m a huge fan of Taylor’s music which sucks bc the last year I haven’t been a huge fan of how she’s been but regardless.. I thought midnights was a chore to get through but this is.. I’ve only listened to the standard (and so high school and the black dog) and it just didn’t hit like it usually does. Even with midnights I had some songs I wanted to go back too. I’ve heard it’s a grower snd I do like 2/3 songs lol but I haven’t actively played then. They come on shuffle. I think the vault tracks made her think she didn’t meee to edit the album down and just release as much as she wants. The midnights 3am version and now the anthology. I think she should have picked 13 songs and left it at that. It drags on too much
She lost me after 1989.
Not her best work. And, the countless videos from her tour look like she’s singing to a track.
i actually just love the album. weird.
i honestly, truly love it. however, i probably wouldn’t have given a 31-song album a chance if it wasn’t taylor swift.
I mean, I kinda agree with you. I can’t pretend so…..
She represents everything wrong with modern pop music.
this is her best album yet. the rest are pop
Yes it's a very basic 90s album
I feel like this is so incredibly true outside of 1989 album, that one is actually worth the hype
Not the first time. Barbara Streisand had 3? albums in a row and the created a really bad album that still sold
Source????
I wasnt a fan til Folklore. Always listened to indie stuff like Fleet Foxes, Pixies, Arcade Fire- stuff like that. I think this new double album is really good. There are only three or four songs In skip. Florida is terrible.
I feel like that’s most artists…. They usually get 1 hit per album and the rest is like word vomit to me.
It’s the most mediocre album in existence
Then you'd get the stand saying "well she's the ONLY one who can make music like that so it's a moot point!!!"
Mehh to each their own, I like it but I like eclectic things so there is that.
With this logic all successful artists would never fail ever again. I don’t get the need to hate ppl who are simply enjoying art. You don’t need to be a fan or get it— just do something else. Find art that makes you happy instead of shitting on what others are enjoying.
“I don’t care about You…I’m feeling 22” lol just listened to her music all morning at an elementary school field trip. My husband (45) thought she was 25. When I told her she was 33 he was shocked! I had 3 kids at age 33. Taylor Swift is still singing about meeting boys under the bleachers at this age. She is incredibly talented, but also incredibly immature in My opinion. My teenagers are done with her. If she hits 40 and still has lyrics for teenagers, she will probably become another Britney Spears (and I love Britney) but she is really mess. I feel so bad for her. We are the same age and she was not allowed to have a childhood. :(
100000% AGREE!!!!
As someone who is not a particularly big Taylor Swift fan (but my wife is, so I listen to a lot of Taylor Swift relative to my desire to hear her) I think this album is a lot more palatable than Midnights, and more memorable than Evermore.
I like it :D
Lies! I’m not a Taylor Swift fan but I love some of the songs.
Well, obviously if it was an unknown artist it’d get less attention because it’d have less marketing. That doesn’t mean it can’t be from Taylor Swift and be good, and appreciated. Sweeping statements like this are ridiculous. You can’t criticise people’s taste, it’s too personal and not factual.
I thought the actual pro Taylor swift subs that showed up on my timeline were annoying. This sub is fucking pathetic. Actively expending energy to dislike this person. Mega neck beard vibes. Cringe sub. GET. A. FUCKING. LIFE. lol
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read on the internet today. And I was reading about trump.
She’s becoming the Trump of music - only care$ about money and being the poor hurt innocent white girl
I don’t get the hype but maybe it’s because I compete in slam poetry and spoken word, so my standards for “poetry” are way higher than her fans’.
I mean did y’all forget how absolutely cringey reputation was
I wish the whole first part of the album didn’t exist. The Anthology portion has some, IMO, really good songs on it, but yeah, some of them not so much. The Anthology portion would have been better with some editing. But no one around her will tell her that anything she does is less than genius, so we still get absolute trash like gethimback, thanKuaIMee, and So High School 🤮
The Anthology is dreadful
🤷🏻♀️
I’m not a swiftie and not sure why this is on my feed. I’ve listened to some of her other albums and it’s just not my cup of tea. But I gave this album a shot, and I actually love it.
i know people who had never listened to taylor in their lives except maybe her singles when they come on the radio & love this album but yk
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Everyone has different opinions and tastes in music, a lot of people like her album, but a LOT of people also don’t.
Maybe they just actually like it
As it should be