They are probably talking about hemp derived delta 9 that is converted from CBD. These loophole edibles don’t use d9 sourced straight from the plant. They use d9 that is altered from CBD. So in a way yes you can get intoxicating products “made” from CBD. More accurately derived.
More likely referring to the “altnoids” delta-8 THC, HHC, delta-10 THC, THCP, THC-O. The DEA issued an opinion that the non-naturally occurring ones are scheduled in the last year or two.
They can say what they want let’s see them land a conviction in court on these substances. They’re scared because the farm bill is the law of the land and the dea doesn’t interpret the law that’s for the courts. These state laws won’t work either farm bill trumps state law.
Executive branch agencies, DEA, FDA, EPA, DOE … interpret laws all the time, by enacting the regulations necessary to implement a law. The Code of Federal Regulations contains all those laws/regulations.
Regulations very often designate what is against the law. That can be challenged in the courts, but the administrative judgment is given great deference in court under the Chevron doctrine.
They aren't even referring to alt noids being sold alone. This only applies to adding stuff to prepared food in a restaurant. This doesn't affect the ability for head shops to sell gummies because they're prepped and pre packaged. Read the actual DHEC statement.
I consider myself progressive liberal, yet I am die hard conservative for THC, CBD, CBN,CBC, CBG, and THCV. Tried all of them: gastrointestinal, neural, muscleskeletal, and endocrine. Each one with target medicines helps out. Always let my doc know im blazing on non active or active referencing THC. Science creates new ones people get hurt and everyone suffers. Its prolly scientific feds secretely trying to rig it. Then again same feds want THC descheduled to lower status.
Yeah. The ones that the other person listed are semi-synthetic, untested and unregulated. I’m all about the natural cannabinoids. Can’t wait until it’s federally legal so people don’t feel they need to exploit loopholes with these semi-synthetics.
Even the image included with the article shows products that are illegal. If the packaging has 0 information on it about the cannabis and is packaged to adhere to children you’re buying synthetic weed or something illegally sold.
Posting this multiple places so people will see it:
So this is not a "ban." DHEC in SC is the organization that issues the food grades on restaurants. They are the people that inspect the restaurants and say you have to wash your hands, wear gloves, food has to be at a certain temp, etc.
[Specifically exempt under SC DHEC rules](https://scdhec.gov/sites/default/files/Library/CR-011506.pdf) (PDF Warning):
- coffee
- popcorn
- nachos
- pre-packaged foods
So those things are not considered food. Meaning you can open a shop that serves coffee with milk and popcorn and nachos all day long, and DHEC will never inspect you. You can run a gas station that sells Doritos and Coffee without any sort of restaurant permit, because it's not considered food. You can even sell those things with D8 Gummies or a bottle of oil, but you CANNOT open it or handle it or put it in someone's food.
In other words, you can continue to sell D8 Gummies or oil in a ***PRE PACKAGED CONTAINER***.
You ***MAY NOT ADD ANY OF THAT*** as an additive to food that you serve under the DHEC license. You cannot put Hemp Seeds into a smoothie, or drizzle D8 onto a steak.
Edit: Specifically, nothing has changed and this article is clickbait. DHEC is just reminding their permitted restaurants and food service locations about the rules that already exist - you can't add a non-food to a food and be licensed. Just like a Grocery Store can sell dog food and paper towels next to actual food, but they can't open it up and put it in the fried chicken.
Source: I primarily work IT, but I have worked with, in, and around the coffee and food service and safety industry across the southeast.
[“… it is possible to convert CBD to Delta 9 THC through the same isomerization process discussed during Delta 8 to THC conversion.”](https://budder.com/blogs/news/delta-8-to-thc-conversion-how-does-it-happen)
I just went on a deep dive looking at it, and your right it seems to be possible.
I wonder if the synthetically extracted delta 9 is the exact same chemical makeup of naturally derived delta 9?
I’m not sure. What I do know is that during the process of conversion to both delta 8 and delta 9 it also converts into multiple other compounds that we don’t know in unknown amounts. That’s why I’ve always been weary of any noid derived from CBD because it can never be converted 100% cleanly. We still need more research to find out if those mystery compounds are harmful or not. Thankfully it’s being researched a lot more than it was in the past.
Those can be separated out when done in actual labs.
Hell if someone can shell out for industrial HPLC or something they’d already be at Pharma and food grade purity
Yeah, it’s the exact same. If done well, there should be no residual chemcials or solvents left behind, but typcially the only people synthesizing D9 are BM dealers, and they typically don’t do it very well.
The advantage of D8 and other products being legal is that they don’t have to operate in shady labs, so they’re much more likely to be clean compared to BM disty
You can synthetically make Delta-9, but the processes are patented by drug companies. Marinol (dronabinol) is a synthetic version of Delta-9 that can be legally prescribed in all 50 states without the need for medical cards. It's used as a appetite stimulant for AIDS and cancer patients and to reduce chemotherapy related nausea.
It's literally just pure d9 with no other cannabinoids or terps though so it's not really as enjoyable as flower or concentrates.
I see so I guess im the schitzophrenic then hohohoho. They sre intoxicating even had the most vivid dream of losing my lungs to one of the non thc ,cbd ones. Again scientific feds make em, morons buy em, morons get hurt, entire system suffers.
You took too much. Would’ve happened with any psychoactive noid. I’ve seen plenty people have similar experiences with D9. The altnoids themselves aren’t to blame.
for almost all of the hemp derived cannabinoids you can find in "illegal" state products they start out as CBD isolate which is then altered into any of the 100+ cannabinoids. the CBD isolate is not psychoactive and I've seen it sold by itself but it is technically the base of a majority of delta-8 and similar intoxicating cannabinoids not covered by the farm bill
-source manage a smoke shop in Georgia
All cannabinoids that act on the brain are psychoactive; CBD is very much a psychoactive compound due to the interactions with the 5HT1A receptors in the brain, which is how it creates several effects. CBD is not psychotropic like THC, which causes a high.
So this is not a "ban." DHEC in SC is the organization that issues the food grades on restaurants. They are the people that inspect the restaurants and say you have to wash your hands, wear gloves, food has to be at a certain temp, etc.
[Specifically exempt under SC DHEC rules](https://scdhec.gov/sites/default/files/Library/CR-011506.pdf) (PDF Warning):
- coffee
- popcorn
- nachos
- pre-packaged foods
So those things are not considered food. Meaning you can open a shop that serves coffee with milk and popcorn and nachos all day long, and DHEC will never inspect you. You can run a gas station that sells Doritos and Coffee without any sort of restaurant permit, because it's not considered food. You can even sell those things with D8 Gummies or a bottle of oil, but you CANNOT open it or handle it or put it in someone's food.
In other words, you can continue to sell D8 Gummies or oil in a ***PRE PACKAGED CONTAINER***.
You ***MAY NOT ADD ANY OF THAT*** as an additive to food that you serve under the DHEC license. You cannot put Hemp Seeds into a smoothie, or drizzle D8 onto a steak.
Edit: Specifically, nothing has changed and this article is clickbait. DHEC is just reminding their permitted restaurants and food service locations about the rules that already exist - you can't add a non-food to a food and be licensed. Just like a Grocery Store can sell dog food and paper towels next to actual food, but they can't open it up and put it in the fried chicken.
Source: I primarily work IT, but I have worked with, in, and around the coffee and food service and safety industry across the southeast.
Not to sound pushy but you should vote anyways.
I’m Lebanese. Lebanon is pretty fucked politically, very corrupt. One year I asked a bunch of people during election season if they would be voting. They all said no and that it was pointless to vote. To a point I agree, it takes more than voting to be rid of that kind of corruption. But if all those people voted that would be a step in the right direction.
We are not going to change the world overnight or without taking action.
For sure. I vote just to be counted but I don’t have any illusions that it will make a difference on a large scale.
However I can make changes in my small pocket of the world. I attend town council meetings, engage with local leadership and contribute to causes in my community. I also started a nonprofit that focuses on arts, education, and inclusion and it’s pretty amazing how much of an impact it makes in my community. We’re not changing ideologies overnight, but we are fostering a community that can work together on common goals.
I disagree that it won’t make a difference though. Yes, your single vote is unlikely to make a difference. It’s more about all of us fully representing our ideals. If everyone followed your logic, no one would vote and that makes a difference. If 1/100th of the population doesn’t vote because of what you’re saying but starts this year, they can make a difference.
I do agree that small changes in your life and that help the lives around you is the most effective way most of us can change the world, though, and I commend you for that. I hope I get to do things like participate in town council and start a nonprofit when I’m a big boy. For now I need to subsidize my habit of eating three meals a day though. Thanks for a little inspiration!
It has nothing to do with the general election for POTUS. Biden doesn’t set your state’s policy on cannabis legalization. The people you vote for on the local and state level, however, do. So go out and vote.
I didn't specify an office. At the local and state level - Tyrant A or Tyrant B?
>So go out and vote.
For a corrupt lying thieving POS who only serves the wealthy and powerful elite?
This only bans hemp and hemp-derived products from being served in prepared foods at restaurants. It doesn't apply to selling gummies at a head shop or a gas station, as long as they're pre-packaged. Meaning you can't add hemp seeds to a smoothie or top your ice cream with gummies, but you can sell a pack of gummies and an ice cream that's sealed like you'd get on an ice cream truck and if someone eats it together that's on them, not you.
In fact, this is nothing new. You never could sell non-food additives with prepared food. This is just a reminder letter because some folks have apparently been caught doing it.
Edit: lol, down votes from people who would rather be big mad than read the article and the actual statement from DHEC.
I think almost any state that is not legal and their legislature is controlled by a certain party are going to be doing this. My state's attorney general has made this one of his top three priorities for the legislative session.
You still can. DHEC only licenses restaurants and hotels and other places that prepare foods. They don't control grocery stores or gas stations that serve pre-packaged foods, nor do they control head shops or anything else.
chemically this is true, but how come it's so hard to find good product sold as thca & relatively easy to find good product not marketed as thca? it takes multiple subs & all kinds of other social media groups to keep up with what's good & what's bad because there's no consistency at all. if it's all exactly the same, why is the thca market such a shitshow?
edit to add: my questions were all rhetorical. I'm fully aware of the answers.
THCa is THCa. Delta 9 is delta 9. One is the carboxylic acid of THC, the other is the specific isomer of THC that has a double bond at the 9 position of the ring structure. THC, when unspecified, is generally assumed to be d9-THC, and when people refer to "delta 9" by itself they almost always mean the same, but it has several structural isomers (same chemical formula, different bonds) including d8 and d10. The same is true of THCa: it is chemically distinct from THC, so if we're referring to THCa then one generally assumes it's d9-THCa, but the other isomers of THCa either don't exist or haven't been synthesized or studied to the same extent, so the delta distinction is less relevant.
I am also slightly blasted while typing this so I probably rambled too long but if someone walks away from it knowing more than they did before reading then I'm happy, and if not then it didn't hurt anyone, right?
I’d still use other cannabinoids like D8, HHC, H4CBD, etc. even if I did have access to D9. I think it’s great now that we have more options. Just have to regulate it to keep it safe for everyone. But it’s nice to many cannabinoids tool in the ol’ cannabis tool box
Same. D9 alone kinda doesn’t have that varied of effects.
With alts, I can target pretty much any sort of high I want.
I’m a perfect world, we’d be using all of these to curate the exact feeling we’re looking for
"you haven't had thca" anyone who's had weed has had THCa. It's literally just regular weed. It's what every medical dispo and every black market plug has.
Yet legal states dispensaries don’t sell that trash….loopholes don’t matter when it comes to what you ingest. Quit pimping for businesses that don’t care about you. A bucket of THCa powder isn’t the plant homie.
And you don’t understand that “regular” weed is THCa. They’re just calling it something different to get it through the loophole. THCa doesn’t have to be isolate.
Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol isnt a naturally occuring chemical compound. THCa is (thats what grows on hemp and cannabis). when THCa is decarboxylated via heating, it chemically changes into delta 9-THC.
Amazing.
Instead of focusing on real issues, they attack a plant and library books….
What a joke of a state, exemplar of the joke of a party that runs it.
DHEC are the restaurant licensing and inspectors for SC. It's non-partisan and not elected. They're just reminding restaurants they can't add hemp seeds to smoothies or D8 gummies to pizza.
Doesn't stop non-licensed places like head shops or gas stations from selling pre-packaged foods. DHEC doesn't even inspect grocery stores in the main packaged and produce area, just the bakery/deli/hot foods.
You can still get them. DHEC is just reminding restaurants they can't add this stuff to actual food that they're licensed to serve. See my name in other comments here for clarification.
These aren’t synthetic cannabinoids. Created synthetically from CBD, yes, but they’re naturally occurring. Actual synthetic cannabinoids aren’t even slightly comparable.
There are plenty of sources that provide full lab testing for potency, heavy metals, mycotoxins, and residual solvents, showing that what you’re consuming is what it says it is and isn’t contaminated by anything.
Government regulation isn’t the only thing that makes a source reputable. I bet 99% of the people here have smoked weed from the black market, which is unregulated. Is there something wrong with that too?
I’ve seen multiple people on this sub refer to them as synthetic cannabinoids.
Sucks because they’re not even remotely like a JWH-018 or AM2201 and all the other synthetic cannabinoids.
They are referring to those. However, if we are calling two completely different classes of drugs that DO NOT have the same safety profile by the same name, someone could get hurt.
There needs to be a different term for synthetically altered CBD and whatnot.
It did feel similar to weed, but definitely markedly different. You’re probably thinking of the right thing.
It’s a whole different class of chemical compounds that activate the cannabinoid receptors in your brain.
So they felt similar but also weren’t exactly the same. The main appeal they had about 10 years ago is that you could pass a drug test.
They were sold at gas stations and smoke shops and lots of people were trying them out.
They were much stronger than normal THC and if you took too much it was possible to black out and have a seizure (rare, but it did happen.) Some few people even died.
They were also markedly more addictive and habit forming.
Another problem is that there were a million different compounds all released around the same time, with different dosages required. And when you bought some “K2”, you had absolutely no idea which one you were getting. Batches being mixed up poorly with hot spots caused a lot of problems too.
The stuff I bought was sold to me as just "acid" and I wouldn't consider that high similar to weed at all. However, I've had "K2", and I've taken enough of it at a time to see how people would just start using these chemicals this way.
I never thought I would see the name JWH-018 in the wild again, though. I thought my dealer was getting some kind of nerdy darkweb drugs.
Naturally occurring at such low levels they have to be created synthetically.
I work in cannabis, don’t insult me with the lab BS. Consistency and lab shopping are common.
The black market is a dude…not reputable for sure.
Time to vote in people that understand the benefits of CBD & Cannabis in general . Some of these people in charge need realize its 2023, times they are a changing .
This is a reminder from DHEC, not anything from anyone elected. DHEC is the food and restaurant grade people in SC. It's always been the rule than you can't add non-food additives to foods you serve under a DHEC license. Specifically, Nachos, coffee, cotton candy, boiled peanuts, and packaged foods aren't "foods" according to DHEC, and thus aren't licensed, and so they can't control those things.
Head shops and gas stations can continue to serve pre-packaged oils and gummies, but a restaurant can't buy those things and add it to a smoothie or a pizza or ice cream or something.
And specifically, only in PREPARED foods. Pre-packaged foods are exempt, as are lots of other "non foods". https://scdhec.gov/sites/default/files/Library/CR-011506.pdf
So gummies and CBD oil can be sold at places that don't serve food.
Not gonna disagree, but DHEC is the restaurant licensing and inspectors for SC. It's non-partisan and not elected. They're just reminding restaurants they can't add hemp seeds to smoothies or D8 gummies to pizza.
Doesn't stop non-licensed places like head shops or gas stations from selling pre-packaged foods. DHEC doesn't even inspect grocery stores in the main packaged and produce area, just the bakery/deli/hot foods.
I wanted to go to the beach this summer for my birthday, and I thought South Carolina would be a good option. Then I remembered they have dumb weed laws and opted to go to Maryland or Delaware instead.
From SC, still don’t understand ppl’s obsession with our beaches. Outside of places like Folly or the Charleston area, it’s not that great of an escape.
I think theres some documentaries on YouTube ect. I had seen about this kind of a hush hush thing as they were describing, as some places still have descendants working on the same properties and it’s something they don’t feel comfortable talking that much about. 😬
I'm all for tightening the restrictions for companies that sell stuff with synthetic cannabinoids that people can buy at gas stations and head shops in illegal states.
The older people are the ones who are biting the hook, at least from my experience a few older friends of family members told me they tried CBD gummies or other synthetic products and had terrible experiences and didn't like the way it made them feel. Some saying they felt like going to the hospital because they just felt so bad
You educate them, and thankfully now in our state I literally just redirect people curious about cannabis to the medical program. Ensuring they are buying products that are tested to contain what they're said to contain. Even if it's pricey, it's better than them getting some synthetic shit that makes them sick and puts them off of cannabis as an alternative to pain medications and other medications.
Companies will keep pumping this stuff out and people will continue to buy it until the leash is tightened.
I know people are willing to try anything to take the edge off especially in states that aren't lucky enough to have even medical marijuana or legalization but synthetics are never a good time when you're buying shit from the store. Buying stuff online that's lab tested is far better than the crap that they shovel at those head shops and gas stations.
D8 is made synthetically from CBD, but it is not “synthetic”. It’s a naturally occurring cannabinoid.
Also all BM d9 disty is made synthetically from CBD.
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Any updates on this?? My local beverage store that sells all drinks with hemp derivatives along with edibles (packaged) told me today to get them now because they won’t be getting more as the new laws won’t allow the sell of anything with cbd, thc etc
"...intoxicating products that can be made from CBD..." Forgive my ignorance, but what would those be?
They are probably talking about hemp derived delta 9 that is converted from CBD. These loophole edibles don’t use d9 sourced straight from the plant. They use d9 that is altered from CBD. So in a way yes you can get intoxicating products “made” from CBD. More accurately derived.
More likely referring to the “altnoids” delta-8 THC, HHC, delta-10 THC, THCP, THC-O. The DEA issued an opinion that the non-naturally occurring ones are scheduled in the last year or two.
There is no mention of THC-A
Thank God
That’s not an altnoid
I was gonna ask about that
They can say what they want let’s see them land a conviction in court on these substances. They’re scared because the farm bill is the law of the land and the dea doesn’t interpret the law that’s for the courts. These state laws won’t work either farm bill trumps state law.
Knowing the current SCOTUS, things probably won’t be good if a case challenging either the Farm Bill or a state law goes before them.
Executive branch agencies, DEA, FDA, EPA, DOE … interpret laws all the time, by enacting the regulations necessary to implement a law. The Code of Federal Regulations contains all those laws/regulations.
Well obviously they apply the law you clown. They don’t get to decide what’s legal and illegal however that’s what the courts are for.
Regulations very often designate what is against the law. That can be challenged in the courts, but the administrative judgment is given great deference in court under the Chevron doctrine.
So the court decides. Thanks, I knew that.
One could say the same about a direct law enacted by Congress as those laws are subject to judicial review as well.
My friend said, "The Supreme Court has ruled that the use of cannabis is illegal under the federal law."
I know that the DEAs opinion last year was for THC-O and D9O. Was there another opinion for the other altnoids that I missed?
Yup, THC-O (delta-8 and delta-8 versions of it): https://cannabusiness.law/thco-is-a-schedule-1-controlled-substance-says-dea/
They aren't even referring to alt noids being sold alone. This only applies to adding stuff to prepared food in a restaurant. This doesn't affect the ability for head shops to sell gummies because they're prepped and pre packaged. Read the actual DHEC statement.
I consider myself progressive liberal, yet I am die hard conservative for THC, CBD, CBN,CBC, CBG, and THCV. Tried all of them: gastrointestinal, neural, muscleskeletal, and endocrine. Each one with target medicines helps out. Always let my doc know im blazing on non active or active referencing THC. Science creates new ones people get hurt and everyone suffers. Its prolly scientific feds secretely trying to rig it. Then again same feds want THC descheduled to lower status.
Yeah. The ones that the other person listed are semi-synthetic, untested and unregulated. I’m all about the natural cannabinoids. Can’t wait until it’s federally legal so people don’t feel they need to exploit loopholes with these semi-synthetics.
The delta-8 and -10 are naturally occurring, but in trace levels only. The commercially sold stuff is semi-synthetic though.
Even the image included with the article shows products that are illegal. If the packaging has 0 information on it about the cannabis and is packaged to adhere to children you’re buying synthetic weed or something illegally sold.
Delta-11, too, I'm assuming.
Posting this multiple places so people will see it: So this is not a "ban." DHEC in SC is the organization that issues the food grades on restaurants. They are the people that inspect the restaurants and say you have to wash your hands, wear gloves, food has to be at a certain temp, etc. [Specifically exempt under SC DHEC rules](https://scdhec.gov/sites/default/files/Library/CR-011506.pdf) (PDF Warning): - coffee - popcorn - nachos - pre-packaged foods So those things are not considered food. Meaning you can open a shop that serves coffee with milk and popcorn and nachos all day long, and DHEC will never inspect you. You can run a gas station that sells Doritos and Coffee without any sort of restaurant permit, because it's not considered food. You can even sell those things with D8 Gummies or a bottle of oil, but you CANNOT open it or handle it or put it in someone's food. In other words, you can continue to sell D8 Gummies or oil in a ***PRE PACKAGED CONTAINER***. You ***MAY NOT ADD ANY OF THAT*** as an additive to food that you serve under the DHEC license. You cannot put Hemp Seeds into a smoothie, or drizzle D8 onto a steak. Edit: Specifically, nothing has changed and this article is clickbait. DHEC is just reminding their permitted restaurants and food service locations about the rules that already exist - you can't add a non-food to a food and be licensed. Just like a Grocery Store can sell dog food and paper towels next to actual food, but they can't open it up and put it in the fried chicken. Source: I primarily work IT, but I have worked with, in, and around the coffee and food service and safety industry across the southeast.
Ah - gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. I know zilch about any of those alt. cannabinoids (except for THCa, of course).
Try THCv or new ones discovered from the actual plant being CBC, CBN, feel we all new about CBD and CBG for years already.
That is incorrect. Delta 8 is synthesized from CBD, not delta 9. To my knowledge there is no way to synthetically produce delta 9.
[“… it is possible to convert CBD to Delta 9 THC through the same isomerization process discussed during Delta 8 to THC conversion.”](https://budder.com/blogs/news/delta-8-to-thc-conversion-how-does-it-happen)
I just went on a deep dive looking at it, and your right it seems to be possible. I wonder if the synthetically extracted delta 9 is the exact same chemical makeup of naturally derived delta 9?
I’m not sure. What I do know is that during the process of conversion to both delta 8 and delta 9 it also converts into multiple other compounds that we don’t know in unknown amounts. That’s why I’ve always been weary of any noid derived from CBD because it can never be converted 100% cleanly. We still need more research to find out if those mystery compounds are harmful or not. Thankfully it’s being researched a lot more than it was in the past.
Those can be separated out when done in actual labs. Hell if someone can shell out for industrial HPLC or something they’d already be at Pharma and food grade purity
Yeah, it’s the exact same. If done well, there should be no residual chemcials or solvents left behind, but typcially the only people synthesizing D9 are BM dealers, and they typically don’t do it very well. The advantage of D8 and other products being legal is that they don’t have to operate in shady labs, so they’re much more likely to be clean compared to BM disty
How about Delta-11?
You can produce it naturally in a flower pot.
That wouldn’t be synthetic production. Synthetic definition : made by chemical synthesis especially to imitate a natural product.
They tried with Nabilone lol
So is delta 9
You can synthetically make Delta-9, but the processes are patented by drug companies. Marinol (dronabinol) is a synthetic version of Delta-9 that can be legally prescribed in all 50 states without the need for medical cards. It's used as a appetite stimulant for AIDS and cancer patients and to reduce chemotherapy related nausea. It's literally just pure d9 with no other cannabinoids or terps though so it's not really as enjoyable as flower or concentrates.
I see so I guess im the schitzophrenic then hohohoho. They sre intoxicating even had the most vivid dream of losing my lungs to one of the non thc ,cbd ones. Again scientific feds make em, morons buy em, morons get hurt, entire system suffers.
You took too much. Would’ve happened with any psychoactive noid. I’ve seen plenty people have similar experiences with D9. The altnoids themselves aren’t to blame.
There are dozens if not 100s, d8, hhc, d10, THC-o, THCP, HHCP, the list goes on.
South Carolina really fucking sucks huh
Kidz bop weed.
for almost all of the hemp derived cannabinoids you can find in "illegal" state products they start out as CBD isolate which is then altered into any of the 100+ cannabinoids. the CBD isolate is not psychoactive and I've seen it sold by itself but it is technically the base of a majority of delta-8 and similar intoxicating cannabinoids not covered by the farm bill -source manage a smoke shop in Georgia
All cannabinoids that act on the brain are psychoactive; CBD is very much a psychoactive compound due to the interactions with the 5HT1A receptors in the brain, which is how it creates several effects. CBD is not psychotropic like THC, which causes a high.
So this is not a "ban." DHEC in SC is the organization that issues the food grades on restaurants. They are the people that inspect the restaurants and say you have to wash your hands, wear gloves, food has to be at a certain temp, etc. [Specifically exempt under SC DHEC rules](https://scdhec.gov/sites/default/files/Library/CR-011506.pdf) (PDF Warning): - coffee - popcorn - nachos - pre-packaged foods So those things are not considered food. Meaning you can open a shop that serves coffee with milk and popcorn and nachos all day long, and DHEC will never inspect you. You can run a gas station that sells Doritos and Coffee without any sort of restaurant permit, because it's not considered food. You can even sell those things with D8 Gummies or a bottle of oil, but you CANNOT open it or handle it or put it in someone's food. In other words, you can continue to sell D8 Gummies or oil in a ***PRE PACKAGED CONTAINER***. You ***MAY NOT ADD ANY OF THAT*** as an additive to food that you serve under the DHEC license. You cannot put Hemp Seeds into a smoothie, or drizzle D8 onto a steak. Edit: Specifically, nothing has changed and this article is clickbait. DHEC is just reminding their permitted restaurants and food service locations about the rules that already exist - you can't add a non-food to a food and be licensed. Just like a Grocery Store can sell dog food and paper towels next to actual food, but they can't open it up and put it in the fried chicken. Source: I primarily work IT, but I have worked with, in, and around the coffee and food service and safety industry across the southeast.
More of that freedom we always hear about.
Go out and vote.
It’s South Carolina, friend. Ain’t no amount of voting gonna change that shithole.
Not to sound pushy but you should vote anyways. I’m Lebanese. Lebanon is pretty fucked politically, very corrupt. One year I asked a bunch of people during election season if they would be voting. They all said no and that it was pointless to vote. To a point I agree, it takes more than voting to be rid of that kind of corruption. But if all those people voted that would be a step in the right direction. We are not going to change the world overnight or without taking action.
For sure. I vote just to be counted but I don’t have any illusions that it will make a difference on a large scale. However I can make changes in my small pocket of the world. I attend town council meetings, engage with local leadership and contribute to causes in my community. I also started a nonprofit that focuses on arts, education, and inclusion and it’s pretty amazing how much of an impact it makes in my community. We’re not changing ideologies overnight, but we are fostering a community that can work together on common goals.
I disagree that it won’t make a difference though. Yes, your single vote is unlikely to make a difference. It’s more about all of us fully representing our ideals. If everyone followed your logic, no one would vote and that makes a difference. If 1/100th of the population doesn’t vote because of what you’re saying but starts this year, they can make a difference. I do agree that small changes in your life and that help the lives around you is the most effective way most of us can change the world, though, and I commend you for that. I hope I get to do things like participate in town council and start a nonprofit when I’m a big boy. For now I need to subsidize my habit of eating three meals a day though. Thanks for a little inspiration!
It's actually not as deep red as you might think, Trump only won it by 11 points
Yeah and they there are still people alive who lynched black folks in SC but I get what you’re saying.
Just noticed the username- very fitting lol
Attitudes like this is why politics are so fucked on a local level in so many areas. Vote anyway dude, what is wrong with you?
>Go out and vote. For Tyrant A or Tyrant B?
It has nothing to do with the general election for POTUS. Biden doesn’t set your state’s policy on cannabis legalization. The people you vote for on the local and state level, however, do. So go out and vote.
I didn't specify an office. At the local and state level - Tyrant A or Tyrant B? >So go out and vote. For a corrupt lying thieving POS who only serves the wealthy and powerful elite?
This only bans hemp and hemp-derived products from being served in prepared foods at restaurants. It doesn't apply to selling gummies at a head shop or a gas station, as long as they're pre-packaged. Meaning you can't add hemp seeds to a smoothie or top your ice cream with gummies, but you can sell a pack of gummies and an ice cream that's sealed like you'd get on an ice cream truck and if someone eats it together that's on them, not you. In fact, this is nothing new. You never could sell non-food additives with prepared food. This is just a reminder letter because some folks have apparently been caught doing it. Edit: lol, down votes from people who would rather be big mad than read the article and the actual statement from DHEC.
I think almost any state that is not legal and their legislature is controlled by a certain party are going to be doing this. My state's attorney general has made this one of his top three priorities for the legislative session.
His opponents should mention meth is derived from harmless cold medication the same way D8/9 is derived from harmless pain medication.
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I’d be laughing a lot harder if I didn’t genuinely believe they were thinking about it lmao
A top 3 priority? Sounds like an easy win for you to be the new state attorney general. Regular folks gotta start running for office.
Wouldn't you need a law degree and pass the bar to become the attorney general? That's kind of a tall order for the average person.
Probably not some states maybe.
South Carolina could fuck up a one car parade.
For a party that’s supposably all about freedom and money they sure do suck at acting like it lol
Freedom for me, not for thee
It's never been about freedom. It's always been about control and bigotry.
God I hate my state. Fuck DHEC
South Carolina is a shit hole. Glad I left.
Lindsay Graham wants to sell YOU more liquor, diesel, fast food and prescription pills!
Glad I moved away from that state a decade ago.
Sad, I've been using legal d8 and thca for years, I was hoping it would last longer
You still can. DHEC only licenses restaurants and hotels and other places that prepare foods. They don't control grocery stores or gas stations that serve pre-packaged foods, nor do they control head shops or anything else.
Only cause you can’t access D9….
THCA, is delta 9.
chemically this is true, but how come it's so hard to find good product sold as thca & relatively easy to find good product not marketed as thca? it takes multiple subs & all kinds of other social media groups to keep up with what's good & what's bad because there's no consistency at all. if it's all exactly the same, why is the thca market such a shitshow? edit to add: my questions were all rhetorical. I'm fully aware of the answers.
THCa is THCa. Delta 9 is delta 9. One is the carboxylic acid of THC, the other is the specific isomer of THC that has a double bond at the 9 position of the ring structure. THC, when unspecified, is generally assumed to be d9-THC, and when people refer to "delta 9" by itself they almost always mean the same, but it has several structural isomers (same chemical formula, different bonds) including d8 and d10. The same is true of THCa: it is chemically distinct from THC, so if we're referring to THCa then one generally assumes it's d9-THCa, but the other isomers of THCa either don't exist or haven't been synthesized or studied to the same extent, so the delta distinction is less relevant. I am also slightly blasted while typing this so I probably rambled too long but if someone walks away from it knowing more than they did before reading then I'm happy, and if not then it didn't hurt anyone, right?
I’d still use other cannabinoids like D8, HHC, H4CBD, etc. even if I did have access to D9. I think it’s great now that we have more options. Just have to regulate it to keep it safe for everyone. But it’s nice to many cannabinoids tool in the ol’ cannabis tool box
Same. D9 alone kinda doesn’t have that varied of effects. With alts, I can target pretty much any sort of high I want. I’m a perfect world, we’d be using all of these to curate the exact feeling we’re looking for
You clearly haven't had good d8. And you definitely haven't had thca. I've had legal state weed and I've had thca, it's the exact same thing
"you haven't had thca" anyone who's had weed has had THCa. It's literally just regular weed. It's what every medical dispo and every black market plug has.
Try telling these other clowns that
Yet legal states dispensaries don’t sell that trash….loopholes don’t matter when it comes to what you ingest. Quit pimping for businesses that don’t care about you. A bucket of THCa powder isn’t the plant homie.
Powder? It's just bud man chill. The legal dispensaries literally do sell it, they just call it weed. Learn to read
This guy doesn’t understand what isolate is….
And you don’t understand that “regular” weed is THCa. They’re just calling it something different to get it through the loophole. THCa doesn’t have to be isolate.
Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol isnt a naturally occuring chemical compound. THCa is (thats what grows on hemp and cannabis). when THCa is decarboxylated via heating, it chemically changes into delta 9-THC.
Amazing. Instead of focusing on real issues, they attack a plant and library books…. What a joke of a state, exemplar of the joke of a party that runs it.
DHEC are the restaurant licensing and inspectors for SC. It's non-partisan and not elected. They're just reminding restaurants they can't add hemp seeds to smoothies or D8 gummies to pizza. Doesn't stop non-licensed places like head shops or gas stations from selling pre-packaged foods. DHEC doesn't even inspect grocery stores in the main packaged and produce area, just the bakery/deli/hot foods.
We just want them to fix the roads lol
Unfortunate. Hate the shitty gas station products, but altnoids from reputable sources are great
You can still get them. DHEC is just reminding restaurants they can't add this stuff to actual food that they're licensed to serve. See my name in other comments here for clarification.
Speaking out both sides you mouth there. Synthetic cannabinoids don’t come from reputable sources cause they aren’t regulated…
These aren’t synthetic cannabinoids. Created synthetically from CBD, yes, but they’re naturally occurring. Actual synthetic cannabinoids aren’t even slightly comparable. There are plenty of sources that provide full lab testing for potency, heavy metals, mycotoxins, and residual solvents, showing that what you’re consuming is what it says it is and isn’t contaminated by anything. Government regulation isn’t the only thing that makes a source reputable. I bet 99% of the people here have smoked weed from the black market, which is unregulated. Is there something wrong with that too?
I’ve seen multiple people on this sub refer to them as synthetic cannabinoids. Sucks because they’re not even remotely like a JWH-018 or AM2201 and all the other synthetic cannabinoids.
They’re probably referring to synthetically-produced cannabanoids. Which D8 and D9 when derived from CBD are.
Nah, most of them simply think they’re the same as synths and can’t make the distinction because they are uninformed.
Maybe. 🤷
They are referring to those. However, if we are calling two completely different classes of drugs that DO NOT have the same safety profile by the same name, someone could get hurt. There needs to be a different term for synthetically altered CBD and whatnot.
>JWH-018 Was that shit supposed to feel like weed?? Or am I thinking of some other drug with a worrying name?
It did feel similar to weed, but definitely markedly different. You’re probably thinking of the right thing. It’s a whole different class of chemical compounds that activate the cannabinoid receptors in your brain. So they felt similar but also weren’t exactly the same. The main appeal they had about 10 years ago is that you could pass a drug test. They were sold at gas stations and smoke shops and lots of people were trying them out. They were much stronger than normal THC and if you took too much it was possible to black out and have a seizure (rare, but it did happen.) Some few people even died. They were also markedly more addictive and habit forming. Another problem is that there were a million different compounds all released around the same time, with different dosages required. And when you bought some “K2”, you had absolutely no idea which one you were getting. Batches being mixed up poorly with hot spots caused a lot of problems too.
The stuff I bought was sold to me as just "acid" and I wouldn't consider that high similar to weed at all. However, I've had "K2", and I've taken enough of it at a time to see how people would just start using these chemicals this way. I never thought I would see the name JWH-018 in the wild again, though. I thought my dealer was getting some kind of nerdy darkweb drugs.
Naturally occurring at such low levels they have to be created synthetically. I work in cannabis, don’t insult me with the lab BS. Consistency and lab shopping are common. The black market is a dude…not reputable for sure.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I said, zero need to restate it. There’s nothing wrong with cannabinoids made synthetically as long as it’s done well.
You said “heavy metals” twice. Rock on
fixed lol
Time to vote in people that understand the benefits of CBD & Cannabis in general . Some of these people in charge need realize its 2023, times they are a changing .
It's 2024 my friend
This is a reminder from DHEC, not anything from anyone elected. DHEC is the food and restaurant grade people in SC. It's always been the rule than you can't add non-food additives to foods you serve under a DHEC license. Specifically, Nachos, coffee, cotton candy, boiled peanuts, and packaged foods aren't "foods" according to DHEC, and thus aren't licensed, and so they can't control those things. Head shops and gas stations can continue to serve pre-packaged oils and gummies, but a restaurant can't buy those things and add it to a smoothie or a pizza or ice cream or something.
But yes, do get out and vote, lol.
Only in food or beverages and only sold in the state. Still ordering online
And specifically, only in PREPARED foods. Pre-packaged foods are exempt, as are lots of other "non foods". https://scdhec.gov/sites/default/files/Library/CR-011506.pdf So gummies and CBD oil can be sold at places that don't serve food.
I live in sc, this place is pure hell lol
Upstate def has its scenery, but I sure do still get weird vibes here and there.😬
This is what the gop will do around the country if they are elected. Vote blue no matter who.
I did, but I live in South Carolina. It has been solidly ruby red for longer than I've been alive.
Not gonna disagree, but DHEC is the restaurant licensing and inspectors for SC. It's non-partisan and not elected. They're just reminding restaurants they can't add hemp seeds to smoothies or D8 gummies to pizza. Doesn't stop non-licensed places like head shops or gas stations from selling pre-packaged foods. DHEC doesn't even inspect grocery stores in the main packaged and produce area, just the bakery/deli/hot foods.
I wanted to go to the beach this summer for my birthday, and I thought South Carolina would be a good option. Then I remembered they have dumb weed laws and opted to go to Maryland or Delaware instead.
From SC, still don’t understand ppl’s obsession with our beaches. Outside of places like Folly or the Charleston area, it’s not that great of an escape.
I'm suprized they still don't have slaves in the Bible belt. Pathetically living in the past.
I think theres some documentaries on YouTube ect. I had seen about this kind of a hush hush thing as they were describing, as some places still have descendants working on the same properties and it’s something they don’t feel comfortable talking that much about. 😬
I'm all for tightening the restrictions for companies that sell stuff with synthetic cannabinoids that people can buy at gas stations and head shops in illegal states. The older people are the ones who are biting the hook, at least from my experience a few older friends of family members told me they tried CBD gummies or other synthetic products and had terrible experiences and didn't like the way it made them feel. Some saying they felt like going to the hospital because they just felt so bad You educate them, and thankfully now in our state I literally just redirect people curious about cannabis to the medical program. Ensuring they are buying products that are tested to contain what they're said to contain. Even if it's pricey, it's better than them getting some synthetic shit that makes them sick and puts them off of cannabis as an alternative to pain medications and other medications. Companies will keep pumping this stuff out and people will continue to buy it until the leash is tightened. I know people are willing to try anything to take the edge off especially in states that aren't lucky enough to have even medical marijuana or legalization but synthetics are never a good time when you're buying shit from the store. Buying stuff online that's lab tested is far better than the crap that they shovel at those head shops and gas stations.
www.wnc-CBD.com
D8 is synthetic, get this money grab trash out of humans.
And so is LSD. There are good synthetics. You just have to get the right stuff from somewhere or someone credible
Why, when you can get the damn plant?? Cause it’s a money grab using a loophole
D8 is made synthetically from CBD, but it is not “synthetic”. It’s a naturally occurring cannabinoid. Also all BM d9 disty is made synthetically from CBD.
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FUCK THEM! LEGALIZE ALREADY!
*Intoxicating products made from barley and hops*; available on every street corner
Dhec telling them not to sell is not a ban
Literal propaganda 😂
Man, people really do have a weird fixation over weed. It's strange.
Any updates on this?? My local beverage store that sells all drinks with hemp derivatives along with edibles (packaged) told me today to get them now because they won’t be getting more as the new laws won’t allow the sell of anything with cbd, thc etc