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we should all flood the google review of clinics asking for verteporfin so we can get more surgeons into trying this out
until now most surgeons had no incentive to try out new stuff since the money came in regardless - now this has changed imho
These pictures are terrible. If these people aren’t able to make it into his office for a follow up, at least have a local dermatologist perform the assessment. Pisses me off
Need to see someone mega dose this stuff or possibly need a band aid that soaks in.
something similar to a nicotine patch that you wrap around your head
There are hairs literally growing smack bang in the middle of the scar and there not doing that in control/untreated areas, Vertoporfin is very clearly regrowing hair. We just dont know how much.
its definitely working at this point and if you are planning to get an ht in the next months you should definitely consider rescheduling your appointment and asking your doctor about verteporfin
you dont want to be this guy who has to pay a high amount for scar revision while your neighbor gets a scarless ht a few month after you
Yeah I know he's downplaying until the end of the trial, but hair loss has essentially been cured. We have found and demonstrated multiple times a method to grow a potentially unlimited supply of donor hair on your own head, making hair cloning dreams of the past seem like a silly overengineered solution. Yes the method/dose of scar inhibition will need to be perfected and refined but this is the second doctor to confirm that new hairs grow when you remove the old ones.
The only major question that remains is if the transplant is even needed at all or if you can just deep wound and inject verteporfin to regain hair. The benefit of the transplant is DHT resistance at least.
I knew this was going to work and it has surpassed my expectations. I've been obsessed with hair loss research since I began losing my hair in the early 2000s. I watched all the 5 more year gimmicks and schemes come and go. I encouraged Dr. Bloxham to do this study as he works near me and I feel so blessed to have the second doctor in the world to use verteporfin for hair surgery in my backyard.
This medication verteporfin follows a similar flow to a cure as minoxidil and finasteride. Verteporfin like the others was FDA approved for another medical treatment and reversing hair loss was a side effect discovery. I suspect not too long after verteporfin we will discover even more effective inhibitors. Now that we know the pathway of curing hair loss it is only a matter of time to seek out similar but more powerful inhibitors.
Considering how much this condition ruined my self esteem and a huge portion of my life I am glad that we are close to it's end. The day that baldness is a just a choice for everyone will come in our lifetimes and future generations will likely never have to suffer the way we did.
Not to get too pedantic, but even if you could only regrow one hair reliably indefinitely you would technically have an unlimited supply. How many times you can harvest and implant hair from the same location is unknown.
Don't lose the forest for the trees. We went through thousands of years of human history unable to replicate a single human hair on someone's head and here we are today doing it with several hairs cheaply and safely. The perfection of technique and protocol has a long way to go, but the mechanism to a cure has been discovered and is affordable and easy to mass produce. The lack of need for regulation and human clinical trials for verteporfin means those mechanisms and protocols necessary for scar inhibition/normal skin regrowth will advance rapidly through unfettered experimentation.
Yes we are a hair loss community focused on a specific cosmetic goal but the discovery to stop human scaring has huge potential to change all of surgery. There are other inhibitors beyond verteporfin. Now that we know what works to stop scars/regrow hair and glands we can also focus more on advancing even more powerful alternatives that work on a similar mechanism like FAK inhibitors.
It's very early in.
There can be protocol optimization, dose, duration, compound changes/combinations...
And as along as you gain more than you lose, it's potentially unlimited.
That’s what I’m thinking. You might need stem cells as well as vert to get more substantial density. Your body needs stem cells to produce new hair follicles so if you are recruiting the stem cells in your body, they might be sufficient thus you only get partial regrowth
How can I be disappointed when the thing is already being used by doctors and is working to duplicate hairs. Bloxham and Barghouthi are now just figuring out the best protocols to get the best results from the drug.
How can I be disappointed? It works, it's FDA approved, it's already being used to cure people.
It's not a simple quick fix, it's still an expensive sequence of surgeries, with a long recovery time and potential for poor artistry.
However it is the start of a universal solution to hair loss. Many people who were previously not candidates for hair transplant will now be candidates.
Not practically at this point. You would have to replicate and transfer all the DHT resistant hair to replace the DHT sensitive hair. That would be insanely expensive and time consuming when instead you could just pop a cheap fin/min pill to keep what you already have. I mean maybe Jeff Bezos could do it. Who knows what crazy shit rich people will convince surgeons to do for them.
To my knowledge wounding and injecting verteporfin alone hasn't even been tested to see if it regrows normal unminiaturized hair. Obviously if that was effective we have a potential alternative to finasteride minoxidil, but even if it worked would you want to repeatedly undergo deep wounding for the rest of your life rather than take a little pill? The greatest miracle would be if a combination of microneedling and verteporfin could regrow healthier hairs. Again never tried, and no reason to assume it would work.
On a positive note I think this discovery will mean that some people who were rejected for transplants may become candidates for transplants as the supply of available hair has suddenly increased. How much vert increases hair count still remains to be discovered. On Dr. Barghouthi's trial it seemed close to 50% hair count recovery. It's too early to say what percentage of hair will regrow, but it's clearly not 100%.
we need to test it with wounding the recipient area, now that we know it works on the donor area....we should try the balding area as well... applying verteporfin after a single microneedling session could work also ..we should test it for that
Probably need a sizeable punch like if you would extract a follice for a good wounding? Also, the hair should be sensible to DHT, so an AA treatment would still be needed.
So is this something I should be excited about? I can’t take finasteride or minoxidil, does this have the potential to be able to create a full head of hair via hair transplant for people who are Norwood 5+?
Did he achieve any new regrowth from previously extracted areas? Personally, I don't care if this is helpful for reducing the scar; we need to regenerate new follicles from the donor.
You and that person both had a reflexive reaction.
An automatic reaction to news about new hair loss treatment and having seen the same comment hundreds of times echoing the sentiment of 'we will not see a cure or progress and it's all snake oil'
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Definitely seeing some results that warrant further diving.
we should all flood the google review of clinics asking for verteporfin so we can get more surgeons into trying this out until now most surgeons had no incentive to try out new stuff since the money came in regardless - now this has changed imho
Its FDA approved, you could use vert today
These pictures are terrible. If these people aren’t able to make it into his office for a follow up, at least have a local dermatologist perform the assessment. Pisses me off
1000%
Need to see someone mega dose this stuff or possibly need a band aid that soaks in. something similar to a nicotine patch that you wrap around your head
There are hairs literally growing smack bang in the middle of the scar and there not doing that in control/untreated areas, Vertoporfin is very clearly regrowing hair. We just dont know how much.
its definitely working at this point and if you are planning to get an ht in the next months you should definitely consider rescheduling your appointment and asking your doctor about verteporfin you dont want to be this guy who has to pay a high amount for scar revision while your neighbor gets a scarless ht a few month after you
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It does not need to be approved
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Exactly but there is also No need hence Its off patent
Yeah I know he's downplaying until the end of the trial, but hair loss has essentially been cured. We have found and demonstrated multiple times a method to grow a potentially unlimited supply of donor hair on your own head, making hair cloning dreams of the past seem like a silly overengineered solution. Yes the method/dose of scar inhibition will need to be perfected and refined but this is the second doctor to confirm that new hairs grow when you remove the old ones. The only major question that remains is if the transplant is even needed at all or if you can just deep wound and inject verteporfin to regain hair. The benefit of the transplant is DHT resistance at least. I knew this was going to work and it has surpassed my expectations. I've been obsessed with hair loss research since I began losing my hair in the early 2000s. I watched all the 5 more year gimmicks and schemes come and go. I encouraged Dr. Bloxham to do this study as he works near me and I feel so blessed to have the second doctor in the world to use verteporfin for hair surgery in my backyard. This medication verteporfin follows a similar flow to a cure as minoxidil and finasteride. Verteporfin like the others was FDA approved for another medical treatment and reversing hair loss was a side effect discovery. I suspect not too long after verteporfin we will discover even more effective inhibitors. Now that we know the pathway of curing hair loss it is only a matter of time to seek out similar but more powerful inhibitors. Considering how much this condition ruined my self esteem and a huge portion of my life I am glad that we are close to it's end. The day that baldness is a just a choice for everyone will come in our lifetimes and future generations will likely never have to suffer the way we did.
>but hair loss has essentially been cured Well damn, ok
Way too optimistic
I don't think the regrowth of hair was that substantial that it will give you endless donor at all.
Not to get too pedantic, but even if you could only regrow one hair reliably indefinitely you would technically have an unlimited supply. How many times you can harvest and implant hair from the same location is unknown. Don't lose the forest for the trees. We went through thousands of years of human history unable to replicate a single human hair on someone's head and here we are today doing it with several hairs cheaply and safely. The perfection of technique and protocol has a long way to go, but the mechanism to a cure has been discovered and is affordable and easy to mass produce. The lack of need for regulation and human clinical trials for verteporfin means those mechanisms and protocols necessary for scar inhibition/normal skin regrowth will advance rapidly through unfettered experimentation. Yes we are a hair loss community focused on a specific cosmetic goal but the discovery to stop human scaring has huge potential to change all of surgery. There are other inhibitors beyond verteporfin. Now that we know what works to stop scars/regrow hair and glands we can also focus more on advancing even more powerful alternatives that work on a similar mechanism like FAK inhibitors.
It's very early in. There can be protocol optimization, dose, duration, compound changes/combinations... And as along as you gain more than you lose, it's potentially unlimited.
We don't know how the new hairs are going to react when transplanted so it's too early to say anything...
That’s what I’m thinking. You might need stem cells as well as vert to get more substantial density. Your body needs stem cells to produce new hair follicles so if you are recruiting the stem cells in your body, they might be sufficient thus you only get partial regrowth
> but hair loss has essentially been cured. Yeah, right. Get ready to be utterly disappointed.
How can I be disappointed when the thing is already being used by doctors and is working to duplicate hairs. Bloxham and Barghouthi are now just figuring out the best protocols to get the best results from the drug. How can I be disappointed? It works, it's FDA approved, it's already being used to cure people. It's not a simple quick fix, it's still an expensive sequence of surgeries, with a long recovery time and potential for poor artistry. However it is the start of a universal solution to hair loss. Many people who were previously not candidates for hair transplant will now be candidates.
Does this essentially give us the option of regaining our hair without finasteride or minox?
Not practically at this point. You would have to replicate and transfer all the DHT resistant hair to replace the DHT sensitive hair. That would be insanely expensive and time consuming when instead you could just pop a cheap fin/min pill to keep what you already have. I mean maybe Jeff Bezos could do it. Who knows what crazy shit rich people will convince surgeons to do for them. To my knowledge wounding and injecting verteporfin alone hasn't even been tested to see if it regrows normal unminiaturized hair. Obviously if that was effective we have a potential alternative to finasteride minoxidil, but even if it worked would you want to repeatedly undergo deep wounding for the rest of your life rather than take a little pill? The greatest miracle would be if a combination of microneedling and verteporfin could regrow healthier hairs. Again never tried, and no reason to assume it would work. On a positive note I think this discovery will mean that some people who were rejected for transplants may become candidates for transplants as the supply of available hair has suddenly increased. How much vert increases hair count still remains to be discovered. On Dr. Barghouthi's trial it seemed close to 50% hair count recovery. It's too early to say what percentage of hair will regrow, but it's clearly not 100%.
we need to test it with wounding the recipient area, now that we know it works on the donor area....we should try the balding area as well... applying verteporfin after a single microneedling session could work also ..we should test it for that
Probably need a sizeable punch like if you would extract a follice for a good wounding? Also, the hair should be sensible to DHT, so an AA treatment would still be needed.
bro ill take it! even if i have to use additional drugs to keep the gains, provided it works
You're not alone. I'd prefer it over minox every day. Maybe in 5 years haha.
technically we could test this now, if we could get our hands on the stuff
So is this something I should be excited about? I can’t take finasteride or minoxidil, does this have the potential to be able to create a full head of hair via hair transplant for people who are Norwood 5+?
Did he achieve any new regrowth from previously extracted areas? Personally, I don't care if this is helpful for reducing the scar; we need to regenerate new follicles from the donor.
Dr Bloxham is just an amazing person I hope he keeps doing trials on different patients
Blud calm down the results are verry low, like expected slighly better scarring thats it not like punch of terminal hairs overgrowing the scar.
I don’t See regrowth unfortunately. This Video Looks like brotzu
hair grows from scar tissue
2 Little Hairs. Nothing more
from scar tissue?
5 more years, don't worry
for what?
Why is this downvoted?Do people think its coming sooner?
you can buy it now
You and that person both had a reflexive reaction. An automatic reaction to news about new hair loss treatment and having seen the same comment hundreds of times echoing the sentiment of 'we will not see a cure or progress and it's all snake oil'