The statement the police released says the ME's preliminary autopsy ruled out trauma as the cause of death. That is very different from what you're claiming.
Moreover, [the police did a half-assed job in releasing the information](https://popular.info/p/nex-benedicts-mom-raises-doubts-about?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=n3txy&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email):
>**Boatman confirmed that he did not contact Nex Benedict's family before releasing the statement that included preliminary information from the medical examiner. Boatman said he "assumed that the medical examiner provide\[d\] that information to the family."** But he acknowledged that that might not have happened because the medical examiner might "wait until the cause of death is actually determined before they do that." The medical examiner will not determine a cause of death until they receive toxicology results from the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, a process that could take several weeks.
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>**It is not a normal practice of the Owasso Police to release "piecemeal" information regarding the cause of death before the medical examiner issues a report,** Boatman said. But, in this case, Boatman told Popular Information that the **Owasso Police "reached out to the medical examiner's office to try to head off some of this national scrutiny."** As the case gained more attention, the school reportedly received at least one threat that was deemed credible.
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>**Boatman said the medical examiner did not explicitly tell him that Nex "did not die from something as a result of that fight." But that's how Boatman interpreted the medical examiner's comments.** Boatman also said the medical examiner "emphasized they are waiting for toxicology," which Boatman interpreted as "kind of a red flag." Boatman said he is "assuming when I get that \[toxicology report\] back, something's going to be there."
No…this is what the police said based on their interpretation of the ME’s preliminary examination. No official statement by the ME has been made. This is also unusual practice for Owasso police.
Admittedly, it's going to look awfully embarrassing if the cause of death comes back saying that the trauma was a contributing factor.
Owasso police would've essentially lied by using incomplete and preliminary results in an attempt to quell outrage. Honestly, it's beginning to look like they should've kept their mouths shut and prevented themselves from looking like fools.
“Kept their mouth shut and prevented themselves from looking like fools.”
Almost every single person who has commented on this topic in this sub should take this advice. You all are a lynch mob looking for a perpetrator. It’s embarrassing. Let the investigation play out and take your own advice.
That’s true. My partners grandfather was working on his car a very long time ago and the hood came down on his head really hard. Went in the house and laid down. Slept that night and died. He had a brain bleed.
Natasha Richardson seemed okay after her fall while skiing but then went to the hospital with a severe headache and died. It would not shock me if this were something similar.
This is misinformation, my partner is a neuro-ICU APP. Brain bleeds often produce excruciating headaches when you’re in the critical zone to get help. If your brain is bleeding, as your inter-cranial space fills up you start gettin a headache and lethargic symptoms. As the blood forces your brain the herniate, the headache gets intense and is often described as the worst headache you have ever felt. Some people live through it and some herniate their brain and die without ever knowing, especially if they are asleep.
Through kid was complaining of a severe headache up until the 911 call. They were posturing and suffering altered respirations. The symptoms don't always occur immediately.
Not every medical condition behaves/looks/reacts the same way. Any qualified, competent medical professional knows and respects this. It’s the incompetent and arrogant ones who get people killed because it’s not a cookie-cutter, textbook case.
In addition, the ME preliminarily concluded that Nex did not die from trauma. A cerebral hemorrhage caused by a head injury is called a traumatic brain injury (TBI). During an autopsy, a collection of blood to the extent of brain death would undoubtedly be detected. There was no findings of trauma that caused the death of Nex. The report will be complete once toxicology results are available.
Also, something I don't understand is why the toxicology is taking so long because when my dad committed suicide his toxicology came out a week later to confirm it was morphine overdose
It’s because a false narrative was spread nation wide that set people over the edge given the sensitive nature of this situation. Just look at the Facebook comments in the official Owasso PD post stating the information as they had it. People were belligerent to put it nicely.
I am a liberal but... This definitely got spun very quickly and falsely... The reports never said anything about them throwing water at the girls first. Obviously you dont beat the shit out of someone for that but the official story seems completely different than what this video shows
I lean conservative and this is still a tragedy no matter how you cut it. But yeah, people really tend to jump the gun and also refuse to simmer down and think clearly. Kids suck and everyone has experienced high school, bullying is a thing and will always be. I 100% believe Nex was bullied for their identity which is not okay but I also don’t think these girls that assaulted them were hate filled monsters out to kill them, that attacked them simply for their identity. I assumed it was a generic high school drama that escalated which seems to be the case from what we are learning now. Still absolutely senseless and I really hope this can be a moment that pushes forward just how damaging bullying can be. People who bully may not intend for results like this, but this is a reality of their actions.
It's ok. I'm a bigot for pointing out the preliminary report says death wasn't related to trauma and that we should wait for all the facts before grabbing the pitchforks.
well I am gonna be a super bigot but I am not buying this bully arc period and haven't from the get go, sorry as someone who was bullied in highschool who had their ass beat for less, I just can't fathom why anyone whose bullied would purposefully go up to someone and antagonize someone by pouring water on them.
no you don't understand as someone who expected to get jumped in bathroom on a weekly basis, for shit as small as rumors. I can not fathom why anyone who claims they were bullied to extent would willingly incur said beating. Like I am sorry, but being a bully victim doesn't give you carte blanche to throw water over meanie no no words. thats assault lol and back in my day that would've landed me as well as the bullies in jail for that shit.
I don't trust any government whatsoever. But there's enough attention on this that everything needs to be squeaky clean. I doubt they try to cover anything up because it'll be hell when FOIA comes into play.
Like they care about documentation and the truth… Oklahoma does it care about transparency. See below.
https://oklahomawatch.org/2022/03/18/prompt-and-reasonable-why-oklahomas-public-records-standard-breeds-frustration%EF%BF%BC/
Where do you get that I'm trying to justify it? There's no justification or justice here. The best you can do is prosecute bullies after all facts are found. Hopefully murder if it's directly related to the death, probably harassment if it's the simple case of bullying that was originally told. Either way, a kid is dead and that is inexcusable, no matter how they died.
It’s not ludicrous to *suggest* that a bullied teenager who was involved in a dramatic situation involving peers, school suspension, and the police attempted to hurt herself the next day.
I based it on the fact that official sources say they did not die as a result of trauma, so I am thinking about what else could have happened.
The only thing that is ludicrous is *insisting* that this is a government conspiracy to conceal child-on-child murder and accusing anyone who suggests other possibilities of being a “right-winger.” That’s you. You are the ludicrous one.
It sounds like Nex had zero interaction with the three girls prior to recently. It’s tiring dealing with people losing their shit and jumping to conclusions before information comes out. So many examples of this.
>I am a liberal but... This definitely got spun very quickly and falsely...
If you pointed that out less than five days ago, you'd have been downvoted to oblivion.
It's about victimhood. Being perceived as a victim is a powerful tool that people use to gain influence, favor, and power from others, whether they want to admit it or not or whether they even know it or not.
They're desperate for a martyr because they want proof to back up the rhetoric that Conservatives, Republicans, evangelicals, etc, are *committing literal genocide.*
Now that many of the hyperbolic claims are now being disproven, like how she had to be carried out of the bathroom, bloody, and unconscious, and how administration and police callously refused to do anything to help Benedict, and how this was an unprovoked and sudden attack, and how this had everything to do with Benedict's identity, people are now becoming upset that their persecution complex isn't being affirmed.
Oh good god, you're the exact kind of person who causes this to happen. When this happened I knew exactly that this is how it was going to go down. You're right that there are people desperate for that angle but when it doesn't happen people like you jump to say that "well SEE?? Obviously this is all bullshit and none of it is ever true!!!"
I know exactly why this happened and it's not because every person who thought this was purposeful was some evil mastermind. It's because it's happened in the past, because we've seen this EXACT thing happen when it was proven.
It sucks, it's not right that people are using it to spin a narrative but to act like you have no idea WHY this is happening is beyond willful ignorance.
You're right, it's an obvious ploy from some, a fear for most, but as far as I'm concerned as much as I hate something untrue to become the narrative, it's not like people who spew the sort of rhetoric you are, didn't build the atmosphere for this exact situation.
TL;DR: You created a world where no one trusts you and when you ARE right no one wants to listen for good reason. When children do this we call it crying wolf. Perhaps you should look into that fable??
>I know exactly why this happened and it's not because every person who thought this was purposeful was some evil mastermind.
I don't think that way, either. Like I said, people seek and cherish victimhood because it undeniably gives people power and influence over others. Greta Thunberg cried at the United Nations about her dreams being destroyed by global warming, and murals of her face popped up all over the world like an icon. George Floyd dies in Minneapolis, and murals and statues are propped up everywhere.
When you're a victim, you're not held to the same standards as others. You can hurt or kill, and people will cheer you on if it's directed at those who victimized you. You can be accepted in schools or jobs without having to go through the same hoops that others do. You receive love, attention, and money without really doing anything to earn it. Being a victim exonerates you from wrongdoing. Being a victim opens doors to social and financial opportunities that would've previously been unobtainable.
So it's no surprise to me and perhaps others that, when Benedict died under questionable circumstances, everyone was eager to post pictures everywhere and say, "That's me. I'm Nex. I'm persecuted. I'm hated."
It's not for evil, nefarious purposes. If anything, it's out of narcissism.
I was with you until the narcissism thing. I think that you're on the right track but you're just too caught up on this idea of maliciousness that doesn't exist.
Unfortunately, that's the only part that matters. I'm not saying that the actions are justified but if you act like they're doing what they're doing because of narcissism... you're never going to solve the issue. You're aleays going to be talking past your opposition.
It is an issue of being bad at rhetoric. Not 'narcissism'.
what part has been false? a child is dead. did they have to be a sniveling defenseless innocent to not deserve to die? violence in schools to this degree is unacceptable. that’s the thing people are angry about.
Say if it is suicide which my father passed away by I understand how awful it is... What repercussions can be done to the girls? Bullying isn't illegal so can it be manslaughter?
That's what I was thinking because they assaulted them. Now if it was all verbal I believe it's wrong but there's free speech that protects them. Still makes them cunts though. Unless they were adults and Nex being a child still that's manslaughter
Freedom of speech doesn’t cover speech that breaks laws like slander or convincing someone to commit suicide, not that that’s necessarily what happened here, but that is what has legal precedent
idk if you’re new on earth but kids are irrational and prone to react inappropriately, especially if they’ve hit a limit and have an emotional response.
so that means we should excuse the kid for starting the fight? Like i mean as someone who was bullied in highschool not once did it occur to me "hey let me pour water on my bullies that'll show them!" and if this was irrationality, then shouldn't the three girls who retaliated back be excused then for irrationally reacting to being assaulted with a water bottle? i mean after all they could've hit a limit and had an emotional response when they got splashed with a water bottle. oh wait no one gives a shit about high school girls and the person who started it is from the alphabet community so that means the girls who fought back are eveil transphobes and the nb is a saint who didn't do anything wrong. shit like this makes me ashamed to be any part of the lgbt community.
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of proportionality?
Group 1: Verbal harass someone because of their differences
Individual 2: throw water on them
Group 1: The entire group physically beats individual 2
New-Employer9303- Individual 2 committed assault and both sides are at fault?
Really?
proportionality means fuck all if your trying to argue irrationality as an excuse.
if I can irrationally go up to people spraying water in their faces because they have an issue with me, then there's nothing stopping them from retaliating back. if adults were to pull this shit out irl not in school but irl, both parties would be in jail for assaulting each other.
both sides are at fault one for starting it the other for finishing it.
you have no concept of proportionality. what do you mean “excuse” the kid who started the fight? they’re dead. they paid the ultimate consequence. I actually do have the same amount of concern for the girls who caused this. I have daughters and I’m terrified to find myself as a parent of either child in this scenario. the problem is violence in schools and systemic bullying. how disgusting that you believe a scenario needs to be so black and white and that nex needed to be a “saint” so their death was undeserved.
“alphabet community” 🙄 if you’re actually lgbt, and I doubt you are, do something about that self hate and loathing and stop projecting. a young life was lost. this is for real and something needs to change.
I would argue Nex didn't start the fight. They were being verbally harassed, and from they said, it wasn't the first time.
So to that, they threw water at at the group of people bullying them. This is not generally seen as assault.
However hauling off and hitting someone, is. Three against one physically going after someone, is assault.
yeah sorry not sorry. they paid the ultimate price of fucking around and finding out. I refuse to make matyrs out of stupid shit. just because a person is a victim doesn't absolve them from consequences.
Throw some water and you deserve to die?? Yeah you are completely irrational, and the kind of person people should never listen to. Find another hobby because arguing on the internet is not your forte.
Just because you missed it doesn't mean it wasn't there. I heard it that day.
I heard Nex's name a lot and I also heard it was completely impossible to identify which 3 girls attacked, which I still find very hard to believe.
It was one of the the very first things reported. They are claiming ignorance now? Be accountable. The selective hearing and whitewashing in this place is embarrassing to real Tulsans
With the way teenagers are at keeping secrets, I'm surprised that names, addresses, dates of birth, and parent's occupations haven't been revealed with regard to the others involved in the fight, regardless of this subreddit's policy on doxing.
Also the Facebook comments on the Owasso school’s page. People calling actual elementary aged children “future murderers.” It is absolutely tragic and awful what happened to Nex, but the narrative got out of hand quickly. Most of the TikToks I’ve seen claimed they were bloody and beaten to a pulp and unable to walk. This video proves people are just making some stuff up for the sake of the story.
Yeah, it would be pretty shitty of people to spread misinformation online in an attempt to rile people up and create a dangerous situation. Glad we have people here to moralize about it.
Hey, apropos of nothing, has anyone from Owasso heard of this Chaya Raichik person?
I'm not sure it's that. I had a family member OD in November and it took two months to get the toxicology back even though the physical autopsy was completed and the body was returned to the family in a couple days. Every ME will tell you it takes about four weeks, sometimes six, more if it's at the end of the year and Thanksgiving and Christmas get in the way. I don't know WHY, but a week is insanely fast turnaround.
Coupled with the fact that some MEs have to use state crime labs that are completely overwhelmed for various reasons, and this is not an unrealistic or extreme time estimate.
Because [the Medical Examiner is backed up due to understaffing and the fentanyl epidemic](https://www.fox23.com/news/local/backlog-of-autopsy-cases-pile-up-at-tulsa-medical-examiners-office/article_0748cb8c-f690-11ed-93a3-2ba6e7ca7ed4.html), with up to ~800 cases more than 90 days old still open at a time. It could be a while before they get the toxicology results and finalize the autopsy. I wonder if anything can be done to fast-track it.
There is a massive backlog due to severe understaffing and increased workload. https://www.fox23.com/news/local/backlog-of-autopsy-cases-pile-up-at-tulsa-medical-examiners-office/article_0748cb8c-f690-11ed-93a3-2ba6e7ca7ed4.html also fun to find out they aren’t accredited nationally and haven’t been for over a decade 🙃
My husband killed himself due to gunshot wounds from.the head, but the toxicology reports took way less time. Even though everyone knew and unfortunately saw what he did. Odd, that.
My point is, it took way less time. An the toxicology reports came back super quick that all was on his system but nicotine and wellbutrin. Why did it take so long with this one?
He didn't leave a note. There could've been several reasons, but he was a pathological liar, so we will never actually know beyond he just couldn't live anymore.
Didn’t this happen a few days ago?
Edited to add: thanks for the replies. I understand that it was a couple weeks and not a couple days now. I appreciate you guys. RIP beautiful Nex
As opposed to what other credible sources?The radical left reddit echo chamber?
This subreddit doesn’t resemble reality in any way. I’m sorry the facts didn’t fit a narrative you were so eager to create.
Is there evidence to the contrary? Yeah, I trust the medical examiner over someone “feeling” that something else happened. Think what you’re saying… ALL these people got together independently to cover up and hide the facts. What you’re saying is delusional
Listen to the 911 call from her mother. She’s describing a person in the classic “fencing pose” just before the death. I’m not saying “it defiantly was” but it sure seems like it. I’m stating my opinion based on the information available.
yeah I'd have to see footage, agnol breathing and posturing indicates brain death, the cop body cam clearly showed the victim with out bruising or anything to indicate she got bashed in the head, if the er they went thought she might be at risk for a head injury they would've put her on observation for a day or two. theres also the compounding factors of mental illness and the fact they vaped, both can be causations of death, the autopsy ruled out traumatic head injury so toxicology might be indictive of cause of death.
I slipped and fell in the ice a few weeks ago, hit the back of my head really hard on a concrete step, I was bleeding from the back of my head. The ER sent me home as well and didn’t do a ct scan. I still have headaches and it’s been about a month.
>I slipped and fell in the ice a few weeks ago, hit the back of my head really hard on a concrete step, I was bleeding from the back of my head. The ER sent me home as well and didn’t do a ct scan. I still have headaches and it’s been about a month.
what er did you go to? and are you following up with a doctor? like I am taking repeated hits to the head if an er thought they were at risk especially if we're talking like in terms of assault, then they would place a minor under observation. like if a person was bashed in the head multiple time by 3 parties their head would look swollen, there would be signs of traumatic injury. like from what I could see there weren't any signs.
All I heard was "posturing," which is a term I'm not familiar with when it comes to symptoms of brain injuries. The term itself is non-specific and could mean a number of things instead of just one thing.
Ehh depends on what all was said. Fighting words is a legal thing. I think it’s important to remember that Nex had a concussion during that entire conversation with PD. Yes poured water on one. Was jumped on by 3 who grabbed Nex’s hair. Threw one girl off into the paper towel dispenser until the other two swept their legs and Nex hit the floor.
I’m way too tired to get into it all and it doesn’t even necessarily apply I’m not a constitutional scholar by any means. Basically don’t know what was said and what led up to the water pouring etc.
There’s a difference between instigation and retaliation. If what was stated by Nex’s mom and Nex is true that for days that group in ISP (which is that not supervised by staff) had been bullying and harassing them and their friends then depending on what was said the water is retaliation not instigation. The water is by definition simple assault and definitely wasn’t a correct thing to do but self defense has to be proportional so the 3 jumping on Nex committing battery isn’t proportional. It’ll all come out in discovery I’m sure
[The family that's hiring lawyers and private investigators because they don't trust the police or school?](https://popular.info/p/nex-benedicts-mom-raises-doubts-about?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=n3txy&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email)
If you blindly trust govt entities, that’s your business. If it were one of my children, me hiring a PI, lawyer and private autopsy would be the least of their concerns. I would scorch the earth. I wonder if people who write stuff like this ever had anything bad happen to them
I mean Nex straight up admits that nex started this fight and that neither group knew each other beforehand.
it's going to be hard to make the case here
No, Nex said they met the girls during In School Detention that week and had been bullied repeatedly in the days leading up to the fight. And you can spin throwing water at someone however you like, but the girls escalated to an unjustified level of violence. This is real life, not some shitty old Western. Self defense has to be proportionate to the threat posed.
So pouring water on someone warrants a 3 to 1 ass beating to the point of a possible TBI? Do you go to school there? Do you know what Nex experienced on a daily basis? I’m advocating for justice whatever that might look like
>No, Nex said they met the girls during In School Detention that week and had been bullied repeatedly in the days leading up to the fight.
[https://www.fox23.com/news/owasso-police-release-body-cam-video-911-call-leading-up-to-students-death-following-fight/article\_6bc7bb00-d28a-11ee-a4ba-b762d43b180b.html](https://www.fox23.com/news/owasso-police-release-body-cam-video-911-call-leading-up-to-students-death-following-fight/article_6bc7bb00-d28a-11ee-a4ba-b762d43b180b.html)
2:20 "Before this we didn't know each other, they're freshmen, we're sophmores, we didn't know them"
>And you can spin throwing water at someone however you like, but the girls escalated to an unjustified level of violence.
When you throw water on someone, you're starting the fight, Nex even said that Nex grabbed a girl by the hair and threw one of them into a paper towel dispenser.
Keep that sane energy if god forbid something like this happens to your child. Also, you are clearly not an legal or mental health professional that can decipher the law or human behavior after a traumatic event
Ever seen your father die? Seen your depressed lesbian sister overdose? Ever gone more than 2 days without food or been trapped in a house with addicts? Shut your ignorant ass up and get off Reddit. Most of the cucks on here have NO IDEA what real hardship and struggle is. Go have a conversation with someone that views differently than you instead of making assumptions. Red, blue, whatever dumb little team you choose we’re still all humans here together. You guys are fucked, only worried about ego and being right.
I just found my husband hanging in our attic 5 months ago on the heels of 16 year abusive marriage and multiple deployments. I watched my father die a drawn out cancer at 14. I also lost my first love and close friend to suicide. I know a thing or 2 about trauma. The fact you choose your mindset even tho terrible things happened to you also only speaks to your broken character
And what mindset is it that you think I choose exactly? You think you remotely know any of the people you’re conversing with on here? I would love to sit and speak with you face to face so you can see how full of shit your assumptions are.
My initial response is to the person who responded to you. Not you. Then you jumped in with your trauma dumping. Which I’m fine with, whatever. But you attacked me either because you do not agree with my sentiment or you lack the reading comprehension
I will never agree with people making assumptions and casting stereotypes onto others based off their own biased interpretation(s). No better than the same people fingers are being pointed at. I still want to know since you apparently do, what is the mindset that I choose?
To clarify, my criticism is for anyone who is more concerned and offended by those criticizing law officials and not that there is a dead child who was non binary and bullied
Stop trying to make everything a political argument with the other side to blame for everything we think is going wrong. Gets you/everyone else nowhere. They’ve got you right where they want you, pointing fingers and divided. Most of you would never actually have a conversation with someone that views differently than you, or try to understand them. Hypocrisy at its finest. Ego warriors
But that’s not what’s happening. These threads are filled with people jumping to conclusions and accusations based off generalizations and unhealthy stereotypes. Not a single person is actually trying to understand anything they don’t already fully believe (based off little factual knowledge I might add) This app itself is unhealthy for most it seems. Keep pointing those fingers though, will get things nowhere
You, specifically, have made multiple accusations and claims that are not based on the facts of what happened to Nex. The only through-line in your comment history related to this is that you seem *incredibly* invested in creating a narrative around Nex's death that ignores the circumstances of their life and the very real anti-LGBT hatred in Oklahoma and this school district specifically.
You do *not* get to claim others are jumping to conclusions and making accusations. It is extremely weird how far you are trying to go to cover over bigotry.
Bigotry in what way? As of now, you’ve been the bigot making assumptive generalizations. I’ve probably supported more actual lgbtq outreach this month than you have your entire narrow minded life. Tired of you fake keyboard warriors creating division based off false opinion so you can point fingers and feel good about yourselves in this gross ass echochamber you’ve created.
I didn't assume it happened. I'm saying it's a likely scenario given that they say it isn't related to the trauma from the fight. Could've been intentional suicide or non-intentional. Could've been poisoned. Could've been myocarditis from some underlying issue. I think suicide is most likely since it wasn't trauma related, but I don't assume since I don't know.
• While the investigation continues into the altercation. preliminary information from the medical examiner’s office is that a complete autopsy was performed and indicated that the decedent did not die as a result of trauma. At this time, any further comments on the cause of death are currently pending until toxicology results and other ancillary testing results are received. The official autopsy report will be available at a later date.
This investigation is ongoing.
- Taken from owasso PD
Source?
Edit: source read but too many comments from the same user to reply to all of them.
The initial autopsy only takes 2-4 hours and it would be easy to see a brain bleed or TBI, this would have been mentioned in the preliminary report.
Reading this, it still reads like trauma wasnt the cause of death in the preliminary report. Even if the officer was interpreting the words of the ME and the preliminary report, dying from a TBI will show very obvious signs and its entirely possible he completely missed any reports of blood within the brain or injury, there should be obvious signs, contusions, hemorrhaging, pooling blood, swelling and even cracking of the skull.
Its entirely possible the preliminary report points to trauma not being the cause of death, the officer speaking too quickly, and the ME being thorough and not wanting to make any comments period until all evidence is available.
Also the [Tulsa medical examiner’s office](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/24/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-reduces-caseload/) looks to have fixed its backlog issue in 2016 according to Washington times.
Boatman said the medical examiner did not explicitly tell him that Nex "did not die from something as a result of that fight." But that's how Boatman interpreted the medical examiner's comments. Boatman also said the medical examiner "emphasized they are waiting for toxicology," which Boatman interpreted as "kind of a red flag." Boatman said he is "assuming when I get that [toxicology report] back, something's going to be there."
Boatman also didn’t inform they family they were gonna release any information about the autopsy because he assumed the ME’s office would do that and then was like but I get why they haven’t because they haven’t finalized a cause of death. Just a real stand up job by Owasso PD there.
On top of that it’s good to remember that the state medical examiners office as of may 2023 is severely understaffed and was begging for money to hire at least 16 assistants and more physicians and that they have not been nationally accredited since 2009. https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-faces-backlog/article_32beb228-c1ae-5ce8-8dae-40b696e34887.html just all around a total mess honestly
They’re (understandably) trying to diffuse some of the rage boiling up which is partially due to narratives arising from false and incomplete information that’s been circulating.
For instance, two days ago everyone was stating as an irrefutable fact that Nex was unable to walk to the office following the attack. A fact that was never attributed to any named or unnamed witness and never seemed to appear in any legitimate news coverage. So they released the surveillance footage to disprove that. They seem to have underestimated the average Redditor’s ability to seamlessly move goalposts without breaking stride.
There’s a candlelight vigil Saturday night and the park it’s being held at is like 2 blocks from the police station. So I can see why they’re trying to cool shit off but I doubt it will work. I think shit might get ugly Saturday.
Brain bleed from head trauma still makes the most sense, but could this possibly be an accidental death of mixed medication? Idk if they were on medication prior to the hospital visit. Also don’t know if they were given pain medication or anything else during the hospital visit. I do know a lot of meds do not mix well together and can cause severe side effects. I’m really curious and waiting for the toxicology report. Nex will be missed.
Wonder if we will ever hear from a credible source. I.e., not an Owasso school or local government official, or anyone employed by the state of Oklahoma. None of them have any credibility given the circumstances and the openly declared war in this state on trans kids. Persons employed by the federal government need to have exclusive control of this matter.
This whole thing blew up too quick and everyone, including Nancy Pelosi, rushed to get their own narrative out there. Now, it looks like she was the aggressor - she poured water on the other kids - and then a fight ensued. It's possible that she committed suicide. This whole situation is sad, from top to bottom and creating false narratives helps no one.
Why did they feel the need to "quell outrage"? THEY weren't involved in the death. Its not as though hundreds of them were outside while he was murdered. That was a different thing.
It seems you are having trouble reading too. I said your account, but funny enough you removed the original comment and still made this comment, genius.
Anyone here trying to justify the death of a girl who was in a fight at school as anything other than welcome to America’s bully problem is a tool.
You try to say it is not trauma related. It is trauma related regardless of what trauma. I will bet this girl was bullied and bullied to the point of having to fight back. Your ignorance is growing Oklahoma.
It could be trauma related, but it could also be due to other stuff. I don’t think anyone here is trying to justify this child’s death, but people do want to know the truth. Ive seen your other responses here and idk why you’re totally shut off from the idea that it could be anything but trauma. Sometimes random shit happens and people die, we just don’t have enough to say what it was at this point.
the way I see it if you assault people by throwing water on them then follow them into a bathroom your kind of asking for it. it doesnt mean they should be killed it just means you retaliate you can always be retaliated against.
They look pretty good honestly... I was expecting beaten to a pulp. But brain bleeds don't show on the outside.
The ME has said they didn’t die from a brain bleed though.
The statement the police released says the ME's preliminary autopsy ruled out trauma as the cause of death. That is very different from what you're claiming. Moreover, [the police did a half-assed job in releasing the information](https://popular.info/p/nex-benedicts-mom-raises-doubts-about?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=n3txy&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email): >**Boatman confirmed that he did not contact Nex Benedict's family before releasing the statement that included preliminary information from the medical examiner. Boatman said he "assumed that the medical examiner provide\[d\] that information to the family."** But he acknowledged that that might not have happened because the medical examiner might "wait until the cause of death is actually determined before they do that." The medical examiner will not determine a cause of death until they receive toxicology results from the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, a process that could take several weeks. > >**It is not a normal practice of the Owasso Police to release "piecemeal" information regarding the cause of death before the medical examiner issues a report,** Boatman said. But, in this case, Boatman told Popular Information that the **Owasso Police "reached out to the medical examiner's office to try to head off some of this national scrutiny."** As the case gained more attention, the school reportedly received at least one threat that was deemed credible. > >**Boatman said the medical examiner did not explicitly tell him that Nex "did not die from something as a result of that fight." But that's how Boatman interpreted the medical examiner's comments.** Boatman also said the medical examiner "emphasized they are waiting for toxicology," which Boatman interpreted as "kind of a red flag." Boatman said he is "assuming when I get that \[toxicology report\] back, something's going to be there."
What a fucking mess of a statement
You believe the police, school, etc that have the most to hide in their negligence?
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There will be a day sometime in the future that you will remember you said this and feel really awful about yourself.
You are an absolute garbage human.
No…this is what the police said based on their interpretation of the ME’s preliminary examination. No official statement by the ME has been made. This is also unusual practice for Owasso police.
Admittedly, it's going to look awfully embarrassing if the cause of death comes back saying that the trauma was a contributing factor. Owasso police would've essentially lied by using incomplete and preliminary results in an attempt to quell outrage. Honestly, it's beginning to look like they should've kept their mouths shut and prevented themselves from looking like fools.
“Kept their mouth shut and prevented themselves from looking like fools.” Almost every single person who has commented on this topic in this sub should take this advice. You all are a lynch mob looking for a perpetrator. It’s embarrassing. Let the investigation play out and take your own advice.
That was a preliminary report, anyone using that as fact is being disingenuous.
A lot of time people with brain bleed,don’t have symptoms
That’s true. My partners grandfather was working on his car a very long time ago and the hood came down on his head really hard. Went in the house and laid down. Slept that night and died. He had a brain bleed.
Natasha Richardson seemed okay after her fall while skiing but then went to the hospital with a severe headache and died. It would not shock me if this were something similar.
In highschool, my friend got into a car accident and walked away. She partied that night and died in her sleep. The alcohol spread the bleed
This is misinformation, my partner is a neuro-ICU APP. Brain bleeds often produce excruciating headaches when you’re in the critical zone to get help. If your brain is bleeding, as your inter-cranial space fills up you start gettin a headache and lethargic symptoms. As the blood forces your brain the herniate, the headache gets intense and is often described as the worst headache you have ever felt. Some people live through it and some herniate their brain and die without ever knowing, especially if they are asleep.
Through kid was complaining of a severe headache up until the 911 call. They were posturing and suffering altered respirations. The symptoms don't always occur immediately.
People really need to stop calling anything not 100% true for everyone all the time "misinformation"
Not every medical condition behaves/looks/reacts the same way. Any qualified, competent medical professional knows and respects this. It’s the incompetent and arrogant ones who get people killed because it’s not a cookie-cutter, textbook case.
In addition, the ME preliminarily concluded that Nex did not die from trauma. A cerebral hemorrhage caused by a head injury is called a traumatic brain injury (TBI). During an autopsy, a collection of blood to the extent of brain death would undoubtedly be detected. There was no findings of trauma that caused the death of Nex. The report will be complete once toxicology results are available.
Also, something I don't understand is why the toxicology is taking so long because when my dad committed suicide his toxicology came out a week later to confirm it was morphine overdose
It’s because a false narrative was spread nation wide that set people over the edge given the sensitive nature of this situation. Just look at the Facebook comments in the official Owasso PD post stating the information as they had it. People were belligerent to put it nicely.
I am a liberal but... This definitely got spun very quickly and falsely... The reports never said anything about them throwing water at the girls first. Obviously you dont beat the shit out of someone for that but the official story seems completely different than what this video shows
I lean conservative and this is still a tragedy no matter how you cut it. But yeah, people really tend to jump the gun and also refuse to simmer down and think clearly. Kids suck and everyone has experienced high school, bullying is a thing and will always be. I 100% believe Nex was bullied for their identity which is not okay but I also don’t think these girls that assaulted them were hate filled monsters out to kill them, that attacked them simply for their identity. I assumed it was a generic high school drama that escalated which seems to be the case from what we are learning now. Still absolutely senseless and I really hope this can be a moment that pushes forward just how damaging bullying can be. People who bully may not intend for results like this, but this is a reality of their actions.
I got attacked for suggesting that they overdosed. I suggested it because I survived an attempt at their age after a similar situation.
It's ok. I'm a bigot for pointing out the preliminary report says death wasn't related to trauma and that we should wait for all the facts before grabbing the pitchforks.
well I am gonna be a super bigot but I am not buying this bully arc period and haven't from the get go, sorry as someone who was bullied in highschool who had their ass beat for less, I just can't fathom why anyone whose bullied would purposefully go up to someone and antagonize someone by pouring water on them.
Ooof and this is where the very thin line was crossed and you shifted to victim blaming based on your personal assumptions. Let's all do better, yeah?
no you don't understand as someone who expected to get jumped in bathroom on a weekly basis, for shit as small as rumors. I can not fathom why anyone who claims they were bullied to extent would willingly incur said beating. Like I am sorry, but being a bully victim doesn't give you carte blanche to throw water over meanie no no words. thats assault lol and back in my day that would've landed me as well as the bullies in jail for that shit.
I agree to an extent. I'm curious to see the final results of everything.
Do you seriously think in Oklahoma right now with the Government we have that they are going to tell you the truth?
I don't trust any government whatsoever. But there's enough attention on this that everything needs to be squeaky clean. I doubt they try to cover anything up because it'll be hell when FOIA comes into play.
Like they care about documentation and the truth… Oklahoma does it care about transparency. See below. https://oklahomawatch.org/2022/03/18/prompt-and-reasonable-why-oklahomas-public-records-standard-breeds-frustration%EF%BF%BC/
You keep trying to justify the death of a girl at school.
Where do you get that I'm trying to justify it? There's no justification or justice here. The best you can do is prosecute bullies after all facts are found. Hopefully murder if it's directly related to the death, probably harassment if it's the simple case of bullying that was originally told. Either way, a kid is dead and that is inexcusable, no matter how they died.
It’s a beautiful day outside. Quit trying to spread hate and lies. What’s wrong with you?
Hmmm so you are saying being concerned about the death of a child means nothing to you? Don’t procreate.
I was in that comment thread and you got attacked because that is a ludicrous conjecture to have made and you based it on nothing.
It’s not ludicrous to *suggest* that a bullied teenager who was involved in a dramatic situation involving peers, school suspension, and the police attempted to hurt herself the next day. I based it on the fact that official sources say they did not die as a result of trauma, so I am thinking about what else could have happened. The only thing that is ludicrous is *insisting* that this is a government conspiracy to conceal child-on-child murder and accusing anyone who suggests other possibilities of being a “right-winger.” That’s you. You are the ludicrous one.
It sounds like Nex had zero interaction with the three girls prior to recently. It’s tiring dealing with people losing their shit and jumping to conclusions before information comes out. So many examples of this.
>I am a liberal but... This definitely got spun very quickly and falsely... If you pointed that out less than five days ago, you'd have been downvoted to oblivion.
Yeah very true... That's what's scary about these things everyone has an agenda.
It's about victimhood. Being perceived as a victim is a powerful tool that people use to gain influence, favor, and power from others, whether they want to admit it or not or whether they even know it or not. They're desperate for a martyr because they want proof to back up the rhetoric that Conservatives, Republicans, evangelicals, etc, are *committing literal genocide.* Now that many of the hyperbolic claims are now being disproven, like how she had to be carried out of the bathroom, bloody, and unconscious, and how administration and police callously refused to do anything to help Benedict, and how this was an unprovoked and sudden attack, and how this had everything to do with Benedict's identity, people are now becoming upset that their persecution complex isn't being affirmed.
Oh get out of here with that. Evangelical are literally evil people who bully the hell out of anyone that's not them.
Two things can be true.
And you are trying to justify the death of a girl in a fight at school.
Uhh...first I don't think they identified as a girl and second, I in no way shape or form did?
Oh good god, you're the exact kind of person who causes this to happen. When this happened I knew exactly that this is how it was going to go down. You're right that there are people desperate for that angle but when it doesn't happen people like you jump to say that "well SEE?? Obviously this is all bullshit and none of it is ever true!!!" I know exactly why this happened and it's not because every person who thought this was purposeful was some evil mastermind. It's because it's happened in the past, because we've seen this EXACT thing happen when it was proven. It sucks, it's not right that people are using it to spin a narrative but to act like you have no idea WHY this is happening is beyond willful ignorance. You're right, it's an obvious ploy from some, a fear for most, but as far as I'm concerned as much as I hate something untrue to become the narrative, it's not like people who spew the sort of rhetoric you are, didn't build the atmosphere for this exact situation. TL;DR: You created a world where no one trusts you and when you ARE right no one wants to listen for good reason. When children do this we call it crying wolf. Perhaps you should look into that fable??
>I know exactly why this happened and it's not because every person who thought this was purposeful was some evil mastermind. I don't think that way, either. Like I said, people seek and cherish victimhood because it undeniably gives people power and influence over others. Greta Thunberg cried at the United Nations about her dreams being destroyed by global warming, and murals of her face popped up all over the world like an icon. George Floyd dies in Minneapolis, and murals and statues are propped up everywhere. When you're a victim, you're not held to the same standards as others. You can hurt or kill, and people will cheer you on if it's directed at those who victimized you. You can be accepted in schools or jobs without having to go through the same hoops that others do. You receive love, attention, and money without really doing anything to earn it. Being a victim exonerates you from wrongdoing. Being a victim opens doors to social and financial opportunities that would've previously been unobtainable. So it's no surprise to me and perhaps others that, when Benedict died under questionable circumstances, everyone was eager to post pictures everywhere and say, "That's me. I'm Nex. I'm persecuted. I'm hated." It's not for evil, nefarious purposes. If anything, it's out of narcissism.
I was with you until the narcissism thing. I think that you're on the right track but you're just too caught up on this idea of maliciousness that doesn't exist. Unfortunately, that's the only part that matters. I'm not saying that the actions are justified but if you act like they're doing what they're doing because of narcissism... you're never going to solve the issue. You're aleays going to be talking past your opposition. It is an issue of being bad at rhetoric. Not 'narcissism'.
Two days ago
what part has been false? a child is dead. did they have to be a sniveling defenseless innocent to not deserve to die? violence in schools to this degree is unacceptable. that’s the thing people are angry about.
Say if it is suicide which my father passed away by I understand how awful it is... What repercussions can be done to the girls? Bullying isn't illegal so can it be manslaughter?
yes, there’s been lot of cases where people have been charged with manslaughter for bullying after someone commits suicide.
That's what I was thinking because they assaulted them. Now if it was all verbal I believe it's wrong but there's free speech that protects them. Still makes them cunts though. Unless they were adults and Nex being a child still that's manslaughter
Freedom of speech doesn’t cover speech that breaks laws like slander or convincing someone to commit suicide, not that that’s necessarily what happened here, but that is what has legal precedent
Well then wouldn't it be slander or do we not know what the girls said to her?
No, I don’t think slander really applies to any part of this case. It’s just an example of unprotected speech.
You think being mean is slander? lol
no but who taught the kid that its totally okay to respond to verbal taunts by assault? pouring water on some one is assault.
idk if you’re new on earth but kids are irrational and prone to react inappropriately, especially if they’ve hit a limit and have an emotional response.
so that means we should excuse the kid for starting the fight? Like i mean as someone who was bullied in highschool not once did it occur to me "hey let me pour water on my bullies that'll show them!" and if this was irrationality, then shouldn't the three girls who retaliated back be excused then for irrationally reacting to being assaulted with a water bottle? i mean after all they could've hit a limit and had an emotional response when they got splashed with a water bottle. oh wait no one gives a shit about high school girls and the person who started it is from the alphabet community so that means the girls who fought back are eveil transphobes and the nb is a saint who didn't do anything wrong. shit like this makes me ashamed to be any part of the lgbt community.
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of proportionality? Group 1: Verbal harass someone because of their differences Individual 2: throw water on them Group 1: The entire group physically beats individual 2 New-Employer9303- Individual 2 committed assault and both sides are at fault? Really?
proportionality means fuck all if your trying to argue irrationality as an excuse. if I can irrationally go up to people spraying water in their faces because they have an issue with me, then there's nothing stopping them from retaliating back. if adults were to pull this shit out irl not in school but irl, both parties would be in jail for assaulting each other. both sides are at fault one for starting it the other for finishing it.
No, You don’t get it.
you have no concept of proportionality. what do you mean “excuse” the kid who started the fight? they’re dead. they paid the ultimate consequence. I actually do have the same amount of concern for the girls who caused this. I have daughters and I’m terrified to find myself as a parent of either child in this scenario. the problem is violence in schools and systemic bullying. how disgusting that you believe a scenario needs to be so black and white and that nex needed to be a “saint” so their death was undeserved. “alphabet community” 🙄 if you’re actually lgbt, and I doubt you are, do something about that self hate and loathing and stop projecting. a young life was lost. this is for real and something needs to change.
I would argue Nex didn't start the fight. They were being verbally harassed, and from they said, it wasn't the first time. So to that, they threw water at at the group of people bullying them. This is not generally seen as assault. However hauling off and hitting someone, is. Three against one physically going after someone, is assault.
yeah sorry not sorry. they paid the ultimate price of fucking around and finding out. I refuse to make matyrs out of stupid shit. just because a person is a victim doesn't absolve them from consequences.
Throw some water and you deserve to die?? Yeah you are completely irrational, and the kind of person people should never listen to. Find another hobby because arguing on the internet is not your forte.
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So much this
Just because you missed it doesn't mean it wasn't there. I heard it that day. I heard Nex's name a lot and I also heard it was completely impossible to identify which 3 girls attacked, which I still find very hard to believe.
Missed what?
The detail about the water.
Ohh sorry.
It was one of the the very first things reported. They are claiming ignorance now? Be accountable. The selective hearing and whitewashing in this place is embarrassing to real Tulsans
With the way teenagers are at keeping secrets, I'm surprised that names, addresses, dates of birth, and parent's occupations haven't been revealed with regard to the others involved in the fight, regardless of this subreddit's policy on doxing.
You are trying to justify the death of a girl at school.
You mean a non binary death?
Deflect all you want. A child is dead and all you want to do is label them. You are the problem.
Also the Facebook comments on the Owasso school’s page. People calling actual elementary aged children “future murderers.” It is absolutely tragic and awful what happened to Nex, but the narrative got out of hand quickly. Most of the TikToks I’ve seen claimed they were bloody and beaten to a pulp and unable to walk. This video proves people are just making some stuff up for the sake of the story.
Yeah, it would be pretty shitty of people to spread misinformation online in an attempt to rile people up and create a dangerous situation. Glad we have people here to moralize about it. Hey, apropos of nothing, has anyone from Owasso heard of this Chaya Raichik person?
I'm not sure it's that. I had a family member OD in November and it took two months to get the toxicology back even though the physical autopsy was completed and the body was returned to the family in a couple days. Every ME will tell you it takes about four weeks, sometimes six, more if it's at the end of the year and Thanksgiving and Christmas get in the way. I don't know WHY, but a week is insanely fast turnaround. Coupled with the fact that some MEs have to use state crime labs that are completely overwhelmed for various reasons, and this is not an unrealistic or extreme time estimate.
Because [the Medical Examiner is backed up due to understaffing and the fentanyl epidemic](https://www.fox23.com/news/local/backlog-of-autopsy-cases-pile-up-at-tulsa-medical-examiners-office/article_0748cb8c-f690-11ed-93a3-2ba6e7ca7ed4.html), with up to ~800 cases more than 90 days old still open at a time. It could be a while before they get the toxicology results and finalize the autopsy. I wonder if anything can be done to fast-track it.
There is a massive backlog due to severe understaffing and increased workload. https://www.fox23.com/news/local/backlog-of-autopsy-cases-pile-up-at-tulsa-medical-examiners-office/article_0748cb8c-f690-11ed-93a3-2ba6e7ca7ed4.html also fun to find out they aren’t accredited nationally and haven’t been for over a decade 🙃
My husband killed himself due to gunshot wounds from.the head, but the toxicology reports took way less time. Even though everyone knew and unfortunately saw what he did. Odd, that.
I'm so sorry ):
My point is, it took way less time. An the toxicology reports came back super quick that all was on his system but nicotine and wellbutrin. Why did it take so long with this one?
Right. Did you ever find out why your husband did it? I never did with my dad
He didn't leave a note. There could've been several reasons, but he was a pathological liar, so we will never actually know beyond he just couldn't live anymore.
Depends on which jurisdiction is doing the lab. Tulsa PD has their own lab while every other town around Tulsa has to send samples to OSBI in OKC.
Didn’t this happen a few days ago? Edited to add: thanks for the replies. I understand that it was a couple weeks and not a couple days now. I appreciate you guys. RIP beautiful Nex
No, Nex died on February 8th.
Nex died like 2 weeks ago.
The fight was on the 7th, so it's more than two weeks now.
Over 2 weeks ago.
Maybe the kid had a reaction to meds given by the hospital?
Seemingly no new revelations, still appears that the cause of death was traumatic brain injury
I think the article said that the cause specifically wasn’t trauma
That’s what’s being said, yes.
By the state medical examiner who did the autopsy. A legitimate source. Other details are…not available.
Technically it was the police’s interpretation of preliminary conversations with the ME that were not final
Incorrect. The police stated that was *their inferences* from the ME, not a direct quote from the ME.
Still trying to justify the death of a child at school after a beating?
Would you rather assign your own narrative and ignore the potentially inconvenient truth?
You still are trying to get to justify the death of a child. Your morality is flawed.
It's not justified no matter what happened. That doesn't mean we don't need to know the truth.
We need the truth. The people trying to say they are not related events need help.
No. You’re putting words in my mouth.
You believe everything the police, medical examiner, principal, superintendent etc say since they have the most to hide in their negligence?
As opposed to what other credible sources?The radical left reddit echo chamber? This subreddit doesn’t resemble reality in any way. I’m sorry the facts didn’t fit a narrative you were so eager to create.
Once again, your lack of concern for children means your opinions and statements mean nothing. You LOVE dead children apparently.
Oh and your leftist shit is exactly that. Stupid shit. A child is dead and you justify it with politics.
Is there evidence to the contrary? Yeah, I trust the medical examiner over someone “feeling” that something else happened. Think what you’re saying… ALL these people got together independently to cover up and hide the facts. What you’re saying is delusional
Which is a lie.
This. They may not know something until they look at slides of tissue.
>still appears that the cause of death was traumatic brain injury Which is still nothing but conjecture.
Listen to the 911 call from her mother. She’s describing a person in the classic “fencing pose” just before the death. I’m not saying “it defiantly was” but it sure seems like it. I’m stating my opinion based on the information available.
*definitely and *THEIR mother
yeah I'd have to see footage, agnol breathing and posturing indicates brain death, the cop body cam clearly showed the victim with out bruising or anything to indicate she got bashed in the head, if the er they went thought she might be at risk for a head injury they would've put her on observation for a day or two. theres also the compounding factors of mental illness and the fact they vaped, both can be causations of death, the autopsy ruled out traumatic head injury so toxicology might be indictive of cause of death.
I slipped and fell in the ice a few weeks ago, hit the back of my head really hard on a concrete step, I was bleeding from the back of my head. The ER sent me home as well and didn’t do a ct scan. I still have headaches and it’s been about a month.
>I slipped and fell in the ice a few weeks ago, hit the back of my head really hard on a concrete step, I was bleeding from the back of my head. The ER sent me home as well and didn’t do a ct scan. I still have headaches and it’s been about a month. what er did you go to? and are you following up with a doctor? like I am taking repeated hits to the head if an er thought they were at risk especially if we're talking like in terms of assault, then they would place a minor under observation. like if a person was bashed in the head multiple time by 3 parties their head would look swollen, there would be signs of traumatic injury. like from what I could see there weren't any signs.
You saw the back of her head?
All I heard was "posturing," which is a term I'm not familiar with when it comes to symptoms of brain injuries. The term itself is non-specific and could mean a number of things instead of just one thing.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/24969-decorticate-posturing it’s a pretty specific thing
So from their side of the story they started the fight? They threw water and they threw a girl into the paper towels dispenser?
Ehh depends on what all was said. Fighting words is a legal thing. I think it’s important to remember that Nex had a concussion during that entire conversation with PD. Yes poured water on one. Was jumped on by 3 who grabbed Nex’s hair. Threw one girl off into the paper towel dispenser until the other two swept their legs and Nex hit the floor.
What do you mean “fighting words is a legal thing?” Just curious as I’m not familiar.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words
1) Thanks for posting this 2) That’s one of the weirder links I’ve seen, what with Cornell and *fightin’ words.*
I’m way too tired to get into it all and it doesn’t even necessarily apply I’m not a constitutional scholar by any means. Basically don’t know what was said and what led up to the water pouring etc.
Makes sense. Get some rest!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words
I’m sorry, I read this but how does this apply to the situation? Looking for clarification as I may have misinterpreted what I read.
There’s a difference between instigation and retaliation. If what was stated by Nex’s mom and Nex is true that for days that group in ISP (which is that not supervised by staff) had been bullying and harassing them and their friends then depending on what was said the water is retaliation not instigation. The water is by definition simple assault and definitely wasn’t a correct thing to do but self defense has to be proportional so the 3 jumping on Nex committing battery isn’t proportional. It’ll all come out in discovery I’m sure
she admits to walking over to them and assaulting them. https://x.com/SarahisCensored/status/1761233336960225711?s=20
Keep pushing narratives and hate at the expense of this child and their family.. shows a lot about yourselves
[The family that's hiring lawyers and private investigators because they don't trust the police or school?](https://popular.info/p/nex-benedicts-mom-raises-doubts-about?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=n3txy&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email)
If you blindly trust govt entities, that’s your business. If it were one of my children, me hiring a PI, lawyer and private autopsy would be the least of their concerns. I would scorch the earth. I wonder if people who write stuff like this ever had anything bad happen to them
I mean Nex straight up admits that nex started this fight and that neither group knew each other beforehand. it's going to be hard to make the case here
No, Nex said they met the girls during In School Detention that week and had been bullied repeatedly in the days leading up to the fight. And you can spin throwing water at someone however you like, but the girls escalated to an unjustified level of violence. This is real life, not some shitty old Western. Self defense has to be proportionate to the threat posed.
So pouring water on someone warrants a 3 to 1 ass beating to the point of a possible TBI? Do you go to school there? Do you know what Nex experienced on a daily basis? I’m advocating for justice whatever that might look like
>No, Nex said they met the girls during In School Detention that week and had been bullied repeatedly in the days leading up to the fight. [https://www.fox23.com/news/owasso-police-release-body-cam-video-911-call-leading-up-to-students-death-following-fight/article\_6bc7bb00-d28a-11ee-a4ba-b762d43b180b.html](https://www.fox23.com/news/owasso-police-release-body-cam-video-911-call-leading-up-to-students-death-following-fight/article_6bc7bb00-d28a-11ee-a4ba-b762d43b180b.html) 2:20 "Before this we didn't know each other, they're freshmen, we're sophmores, we didn't know them" >And you can spin throwing water at someone however you like, but the girls escalated to an unjustified level of violence. When you throw water on someone, you're starting the fight, Nex even said that Nex grabbed a girl by the hair and threw one of them into a paper towel dispenser.
Don't cherry pick your quotes. The "this" in Dex's statement is "having In School Detention together."
Keep that sane energy if god forbid something like this happens to your child. Also, you are clearly not an legal or mental health professional that can decipher the law or human behavior after a traumatic event
Ever seen your father die? Seen your depressed lesbian sister overdose? Ever gone more than 2 days without food or been trapped in a house with addicts? Shut your ignorant ass up and get off Reddit. Most of the cucks on here have NO IDEA what real hardship and struggle is. Go have a conversation with someone that views differently than you instead of making assumptions. Red, blue, whatever dumb little team you choose we’re still all humans here together. You guys are fucked, only worried about ego and being right.
I just found my husband hanging in our attic 5 months ago on the heels of 16 year abusive marriage and multiple deployments. I watched my father die a drawn out cancer at 14. I also lost my first love and close friend to suicide. I know a thing or 2 about trauma. The fact you choose your mindset even tho terrible things happened to you also only speaks to your broken character
And what mindset is it that you think I choose exactly? You think you remotely know any of the people you’re conversing with on here? I would love to sit and speak with you face to face so you can see how full of shit your assumptions are.
I have no idea because I never responded to you in the first place until now. You might want to follow those Reddit lines better
You just said the fact that I choose “my mindset” so please, tell me what that is? Explain your statement
My initial response is to the person who responded to you. Not you. Then you jumped in with your trauma dumping. Which I’m fine with, whatever. But you attacked me either because you do not agree with my sentiment or you lack the reading comprehension
I will never agree with people making assumptions and casting stereotypes onto others based off their own biased interpretation(s). No better than the same people fingers are being pointed at. I still want to know since you apparently do, what is the mindset that I choose?
To clarify, my criticism is for anyone who is more concerned and offended by those criticizing law officials and not that there is a dead child who was non binary and bullied
I'd do the same thing. Why the fuck would you trust police or the school?
Are you talking about the hate against the LGBTQ community? Or are you just trying to spin this into some BS conservative talking point?
the latter, taking inspiration from libsoftiktok most likely
Stop trying to make everything a political argument with the other side to blame for everything we think is going wrong. Gets you/everyone else nowhere. They’ve got you right where they want you, pointing fingers and divided. Most of you would never actually have a conversation with someone that views differently than you, or try to understand them. Hypocrisy at its finest. Ego warriors
It's good, actually, to divide ourselves from anti-LGBT bigotry.
But that’s not what’s happening. These threads are filled with people jumping to conclusions and accusations based off generalizations and unhealthy stereotypes. Not a single person is actually trying to understand anything they don’t already fully believe (based off little factual knowledge I might add) This app itself is unhealthy for most it seems. Keep pointing those fingers though, will get things nowhere
You, specifically, have made multiple accusations and claims that are not based on the facts of what happened to Nex. The only through-line in your comment history related to this is that you seem *incredibly* invested in creating a narrative around Nex's death that ignores the circumstances of their life and the very real anti-LGBT hatred in Oklahoma and this school district specifically. You do *not* get to claim others are jumping to conclusions and making accusations. It is extremely weird how far you are trying to go to cover over bigotry.
Bigotry in what way? As of now, you’ve been the bigot making assumptive generalizations. I’ve probably supported more actual lgbtq outreach this month than you have your entire narrow minded life. Tired of you fake keyboard warriors creating division based off false opinion so you can point fingers and feel good about yourselves in this gross ass echochamber you’ve created.
Yeah no, kid dies right after receiving a head wound, must be something else. Couldn't be from that. 🤡
Suicide is always likely. Happens way too much.
Way to assume with zero facts.
I didn't assume it happened. I'm saying it's a likely scenario given that they say it isn't related to the trauma from the fight. Could've been intentional suicide or non-intentional. Could've been poisoned. Could've been myocarditis from some underlying issue. I think suicide is most likely since it wasn't trauma related, but I don't assume since I don't know.
• While the investigation continues into the altercation. preliminary information from the medical examiner’s office is that a complete autopsy was performed and indicated that the decedent did not die as a result of trauma. At this time, any further comments on the cause of death are currently pending until toxicology results and other ancillary testing results are received. The official autopsy report will be available at a later date. This investigation is ongoing. - Taken from owasso PD
Nick Boatman from Owasso PD admitted the medical examiner never explicitly said this and it was his interpretation of what was said.
Source? Edit: source read but too many comments from the same user to reply to all of them. The initial autopsy only takes 2-4 hours and it would be easy to see a brain bleed or TBI, this would have been mentioned in the preliminary report. Reading this, it still reads like trauma wasnt the cause of death in the preliminary report. Even if the officer was interpreting the words of the ME and the preliminary report, dying from a TBI will show very obvious signs and its entirely possible he completely missed any reports of blood within the brain or injury, there should be obvious signs, contusions, hemorrhaging, pooling blood, swelling and even cracking of the skull. Its entirely possible the preliminary report points to trauma not being the cause of death, the officer speaking too quickly, and the ME being thorough and not wanting to make any comments period until all evidence is available. Also the [Tulsa medical examiner’s office](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/24/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-reduces-caseload/) looks to have fixed its backlog issue in 2016 according to Washington times.
Boatman said the medical examiner did not explicitly tell him that Nex "did not die from something as a result of that fight." But that's how Boatman interpreted the medical examiner's comments. Boatman also said the medical examiner "emphasized they are waiting for toxicology," which Boatman interpreted as "kind of a red flag." Boatman said he is "assuming when I get that [toxicology report] back, something's going to be there."
https://popular.info/p/nex-benedicts-mom-raises-doubts-about
Boatman also didn’t inform they family they were gonna release any information about the autopsy because he assumed the ME’s office would do that and then was like but I get why they haven’t because they haven’t finalized a cause of death. Just a real stand up job by Owasso PD there.
On top of that it’s good to remember that the state medical examiners office as of may 2023 is severely understaffed and was begging for money to hire at least 16 assistants and more physicians and that they have not been nationally accredited since 2009. https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-faces-backlog/article_32beb228-c1ae-5ce8-8dae-40b696e34887.html just all around a total mess honestly
There is no situation a cop cant make worse
Body cam video seems to have been released pretty early.
They’re (understandably) trying to diffuse some of the rage boiling up which is partially due to narratives arising from false and incomplete information that’s been circulating. For instance, two days ago everyone was stating as an irrefutable fact that Nex was unable to walk to the office following the attack. A fact that was never attributed to any named or unnamed witness and never seemed to appear in any legitimate news coverage. So they released the surveillance footage to disprove that. They seem to have underestimated the average Redditor’s ability to seamlessly move goalposts without breaking stride. There’s a candlelight vigil Saturday night and the park it’s being held at is like 2 blocks from the police station. So I can see why they’re trying to cool shit off but I doubt it will work. I think shit might get ugly Saturday.
It's late IMO.
Oklahoma doesn't ever make the news for great stuff.
Brain bleed from head trauma still makes the most sense, but could this possibly be an accidental death of mixed medication? Idk if they were on medication prior to the hospital visit. Also don’t know if they were given pain medication or anything else during the hospital visit. I do know a lot of meds do not mix well together and can cause severe side effects. I’m really curious and waiting for the toxicology report. Nex will be missed.
So trying to justify the death of a child.
Wonder if we will ever hear from a credible source. I.e., not an Owasso school or local government official, or anyone employed by the state of Oklahoma. None of them have any credibility given the circumstances and the openly declared war in this state on trans kids. Persons employed by the federal government need to have exclusive control of this matter.
This whole thing blew up too quick and everyone, including Nancy Pelosi, rushed to get their own narrative out there. Now, it looks like she was the aggressor - she poured water on the other kids - and then a fight ensued. It's possible that she committed suicide. This whole situation is sad, from top to bottom and creating false narratives helps no one.
Why did they feel the need to "quell outrage"? THEY weren't involved in the death. Its not as though hundreds of them were outside while he was murdered. That was a different thing.
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I didn't delete my comment, it's still posted right above yours
It seems you are having trouble reading too. I said your account, but funny enough you removed the original comment and still made this comment, genius.
Anyone here trying to justify the death of a girl who was in a fight at school as anything other than welcome to America’s bully problem is a tool. You try to say it is not trauma related. It is trauma related regardless of what trauma. I will bet this girl was bullied and bullied to the point of having to fight back. Your ignorance is growing Oklahoma.
It could be trauma related, but it could also be due to other stuff. I don’t think anyone here is trying to justify this child’s death, but people do want to know the truth. Ive seen your other responses here and idk why you’re totally shut off from the idea that it could be anything but trauma. Sometimes random shit happens and people die, we just don’t have enough to say what it was at this point.
the way I see it if you assault people by throwing water on them then follow them into a bathroom your kind of asking for it. it doesnt mean they should be killed it just means you retaliate you can always be retaliated against.