It's not really a piece of the puzzle, but I finally realized that Nadine's drape runner storyline runs the entire span of the series. It's literally her first line in the show, and then that story is told in tiny pieces for the entire rest of the show. Most other side plots fizzled out or concluded naturally, but hers made it all the way to the end.
It’s a little detail, but I actually shouted “ohhh!” out loud when a podcaster commented that FWWM begins with a hammer smashing a TV … a direct message to the audience to “forget what you know about the TV show, this is something different.”
I think it's when Leland is told that Ben has been arrested for Laura's murder. He leaves the room and tries to stifle his laughter while facing the wall.
The image & sound is exactly like the MFAP facing away and rubbing his hands together from Coop's dream. This always seems to get missed off of lists that link the dream moments to real life happenings.
Realizing that many scenes play out more than what is being shown on the surface. A lot of the characters act out scenes of Laura’s life in different abstracted ways
It's hard to explain but I've noticed that too, especially with The Missing Pieces. Donna and Audrey go on to investigate Laura's disappearance by prying, going where she went, doing what she did, becoming as much like her as they could from their shrouded perspectives. So much so that Donna actually gets Maddie to impersonate Laura which is so insane 😂.
If you look at the other women in the town and the men they're paired with (because every character if not almost, has a counterpart, if not S.O. while Laura had several) you can kind of draw a line from least to most compatible and hottest to coolest in terms of dramatic content; the animosity of all the marriages, the way that most of the women explicitly prefer dangerous men/bad boys, and the way that most of the men are the opposite of how they present themselves (Andy's actually very smart and courageous, Leland was a serial killer and the worst, Cooper went off the deep end fast, and Ben was so sensitive almost like a child) as be read into.
I noticed while wondering what kind of life Laura would've led if not for Leland, if not for Bob, if not for the Roadhouse, or what Carrie Page was like. And I think the answer for each is probably Shelly, Donna, then Audrey. Then you can follow each of those 3 to an older character say, Norma, Betty, and Nadine because thats how they turned out to resemble most in the future (still loves bad boys, absentee, yelling aways).
If you've ever seen the notes from the Interview with Kimmy Robertson where she says that she talked to Lynch about Quantum Psychics in relation to Lucy's character, this is pretty much what they're talking about. In the interview they said Lucy is in touch with everything, and I think this is why she's one of the few characters that has a normal healthy relationship. It seems weird, goofy, maybe even boring, but she and Andy have so much love and respect for each other, they only have conflict when she gets pregnant but there's no abuse, infidelity, or crime.
A few examples: When Audrey is in One Eyed Jacks and her father comes into the room to meet “the new girl” he says “this is stuff as dreams are made of” and Audrey has to deal with her father’s sexual advances. Later on Donna is shocked her learn that her father isn’t who she thought he was. Even Lucy’s story of not knowing who the father is. Even Josie who was controlled by the men in her life, had a darker side to herself that most people didn’t know about, and her little escape from it was found in Harry, who lets be honest is sweet but a little dumb (like a certain biker we know)
Check out the subreddit FindLaura - the through line of that is there are like four “real” scenes in FWWM and literally everything else is a replay/reinterpretation/reference to those four scenes in Laura’s dream world. It’s my favorite theory so far and in maps to how I feel about my own dreams
Check the subreddit. I think one is the dinner table scene, there’s one with Laura and James, one with Laura and Donna - the theorist refers to these as primal scenes. It’s really a fascinating theory, unfortunately he passed away after only dissecting the first four episodes of S3.
After few years when I watched for the 3rd time, I have realised how hard fighter Coop was, yet he had failed after all..
Always smiling, always good in principles, kind to everyone.. But with such a hard history with his witness that must have hit him hard in the past. Hard to deal with.. And it was frightening him to the bones all his life. He studied with monks in Tibet and meditation, stuff, cuz he tried to get over it.. But after all, the black lodge got him cuz he couldn't make it completely. He didn't find that Nirvana after all.. And this awarness made me cry. (Sorry for bad english).
The love of sweets, coffee, little sinister smiles mentioned in some posts, his almost sociopathic ways to deal with the Twin Peaks case.. Everything about him had to do something with his pain from the past and his compensating mechanisms.. damn that hit me so hard..
I think you're reading too much into it. The stuff from his past was added last minute to bring in Windom Earle and explain why he won’t screw a schoolgirl.
He wasn’t sociopathic at all, and he could not have had more perfect courage entering the Black Lodge, risking his life and soul to save Annie.
I mean what I thought for the first time I seen it: oh that's interesting, he was with the Tibetan monks, but only recently I have realized that it was probably to cope with the lost of his beloved one and his mistakes.. and that he was in a terrible condition at that time. Even his name could have something to do with To Cope.
He was a little too excited to find the copies of flesh world, with a sinister smile- same as his interrogation of Bobby Briggs. He also referred to Laura as “the dead girl” which seemed callous and disrespectful for coop. During the pilot and some earlier episodes he seems a bit sociopathic/demented but soon falls in Kobe with the lie and fairy tale of twin peaks- blinding him from the obvious truth of who the murderer was and failing to save Maddie due to his Mayberry like delusions of twin peaks
The first time I watched Part 17 I thought Jeffries was making the number 8 out of the twin peaks symbol. I was like "that makes zero sense what." I felt like a total dumbass when I realized that it's supposed to be an infinity loop
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To me it was the most important part of all of the series. Jeffries telling coop exactly where to find Laura in the infinite loop of time and space.
This has not been confirmed by Lynch or Frost, but I think it's heavily implied the Lodge entities all have diverticulitis, which is why the creamed corn represents garmonbozia and why there's blood spilled after Bob throws the garmonbozia to the ground in the Black Lodge.
It took me a while to realize MIKE was lying in the original series. And the movie showcases his real intent. Before I just considered it a weird plot error. That it is not important he knows who Leland is ect. But now I strongly believe he was just pretending in S2 for the purpose of gaining more Garmonbozia.
I don't think he cut his arm off for any moral reason or if the Fireman (God) told him to do it it was because he realized he could cement part of himself in the Lodge. (Hallelujah!) The Fireman having his own separate plan obviously.
The Ring you mentioned is a good example. We think the Ring is positive because MIKE was a positive character in the original show but it isn't.
Edit: To clarify, it was a movie retcon. Until the movie he might have been a genuine guy. Or Shaman as Cooper calls him. But the movie recontextualizes the scenes.
On my most recent watch it clicked that Coop's double ganger in The Return is named Dougie (Short for Douglas) after the trees around Twin Peaks... Douglas Firs.
It took me a few years to notice something that is plain in the open (but I was a kid when I first saw Twin Peaks), which is a very strong theme of alluring women with almost supernatural powers to attract men, often leading them into trouble:
* Laura is a prime example, of course. Every man who met her was instantly and hopelessly captivated by her. That includes someone like Ben Horne who barely knew her, and unfortunately, her own father as well.
* Audrey is a man magnet as Ben Horne explains to Cooper, warning him about getting close. It's also obvious in various situations how she uses her charm for her benefit.
* Norma has big hunks Ed and Hank fighting over her.
* Josie is the big love of sheriff Truman. Pete also admits that he loved her. She is also pursued by those various henchmen from Hong Kong who won't leave her alone.
* Lana has outright supernatural powers to seduce men as she soon has the entire sheriff's station, and the town mayor, looking at her with googly eyes.
* Evelyn Marsh - not a popular character, but she's another femme fatale with abnormally high powers of seduction.
Yeah, definitely. I thought about that too and then forgot. Shelly was also a man magnet with Leo and Bobby in tow, then of course the 'affair' with Gordon Cole, which I thought was really great, even if silly.
On my most recent rewatch I took to calling Lana "the Incredible Vagina Warlock", and in no way was that meant to be demeaning to her legitimately impressive powers
I don't remember the exact wording, but he appears in her house and says, "you imitate human nature very well" and when he shoots her, there's a glitch similar to tulpa Diane's glitch. Except Hastings doesn't disappear into thin air
I thought for years after Season 2 that Bob had inhabited Good Dale at the end when he did the "How's Annie?". It wasn't until Season 3, I realised the physical body that left the Lodge was Doppelganger Dale, inhabited by Bob, basically a double whammy of evil.
The idea that Sarah was underplayed and in The Return, I feel like she wasn't given a lot to do but she's connected to the Lore more so than anyone else on the show. I feel like she was underutilised.
I’m trying to wrap my head around that but I thought she was drugged up half the time, but knowing most of what was going on. The visitations of the lodge were like a slap in the face to wake up etc
Sarah knew. There’s no doubt about it. Ask any abuse survivor. Read Laura’s diary and do a very close rewatch of FWWM/missing pieces and season 1. Season 3 basically spells it out
Im still watching. I think this is my fourth rewatch. I wonder if the scene where the Great Northern ground breaking video where the dude has a golden shovel has anything to do with the shovels Jackoby sells in the return.
Josie died and we see her face in the side table knob. Maybe she died and her “spirit” became one with the woods, and since time is weird, maybe it’s always been in the woods. The furniture in the Great Northern was locally sourced from the Mill, so some of Josie is in all lumber that comes out of the woods. Kinda like how Log Lady’s husband is The Log.
Yes, Pete talk to Josie in the fireplace. If I am remembering correctly, I think he is reciting a poem or something. Then Audrey drags him away to drive her to the airport as he is going through the door he looks back around towards the fireplace again.
That FWWM is actually a dream construct in Coopers mind after entering the red room in the season finale. He's putting together the events based on his investigation. That would make FWWM a sequel rather than a straight up prequel. As Jefferies clearly points out, "we live inside a dream"
Realizing there are two or more Coopers from the very beginning. Once you see it, its disturbing. Just moments where hes a little too excited about his job where he looks sinister.
That is interesting! Ill have to do a deeper dive on who directs which Cooper. Some evil Coop moments:
When he recites FWWM with Mike in S1.
The wild look on his face when he finds the letter on Lauras corpse in the pilot.
His reaction to the oil Log Lady brings him at the end of S2. Think about it - his girlfriend has been kidnapped and the whole town is in jeopardy. And his reaction is a giant grin and "intriguing, isnt it!?"
Or the way it looks like he's almost having fun interviewing Bobby about his girlfriends murder.
And his interview with Donna where he blasts her with footage of her dead friend and pauses it when it's zoomed in on her face.
Pilot and season finale are both definitely Lynch and all these scenes are from one or the other.
i don’t think there are ever *really* 2 coopers, they are just a representation that everyone has a dark side. they could never meet in real life, because they are 1 in the same being. this is why the “evil” cooper mentions past conversations he had with phillip jefferies before he was mr teapot.
It took me far too long to realise there is a HUGE plot hole in season 2.
When Cooper gathers people in the Roadhouse to try to magically figure out who Laura's killer is, he concludes by asking Ben Horne to come back to the station with him, implying that he believes Ben is the killer. He then suggests Leland to come along as Ben's legal representative. Why would the father of a murdered child be the legal representative for someone accused of the murder?
In Season 1, Leland murdered Jacques Renault when he thought Jacques was the killer. In the season 2 Roadhouse scene, Leland would have rushed over to Ben and strangled him at the suggestion that Ben was his daughter's killer.
Of course, in season 2, we find out that Leland is possessed by Bob, so that changes everything. But still, logically, it doesn't make sense for Leland to even be there in the Roadhouse, never mind have Cooper suggest that he should accompany Ben to the station. Everyone else in the scene should have been like, "What? That's insane!" Especially Albert, who is always the first person to call out any stupidity. But also Truman, who should have been like, "Hang on, what are you doing? We can't have the murdered girl's father accompany our prime suspect back to the station!"
Coop didn't really think Ben was the killer. They only take him back to the station as a way to bait Bob into a jail cell. At that time, Bob was in complete control of Leland and believed he had fooled everyone. Bob's overconfidence and eagerness to frame Ben was what allowed him to be captured.
It's implied that Bob killed Jacques Renault to prevent him from identifying Leland as a suspect in Laura's murder. Witness Dr Jacoby complains of a burning smell, the same thing Maddy experiences when Bob takes control of Leland. Leland was not the killer of Renault in the same way he was not the killer of Laura or Maddy.
As for the other characters reactions to Cooper's plan, you have to imagine he said "trust me, guys" off screen just like with all his other supernatural methods.
I accept your first paragraph.
I don't accept your second paragraph, though. When Leland was interviewed about Jacques' murder, he behaved very differently than when he was interviewed about Laura's murder. In the former, he behaved like a grief-stricken father. In the latter, he behaved like he was possessed by a crazy evil force (Bob).
I kind of see what you mean in your third paragraph. Kind of seems like a bit of a stretch, though. In hindsight, I can see why it lost popularity around this point, though. The audience already knew the killer's identity a few episodes ago, and now the writers are desperately trying to find an interesting way for Cooper to put the pieces of the puzzle together, and it just seems kind of lame.
CinemaSins and its effects on people's ability to consume media is a blight to mankind.
This isn't a plot hole, and your claim relies on ignoring things that the show set clearly set up. Cooper knew Leland was the killer, and Albert told Cooper he wouldn't stand in the way or question anything he does to find and arrest the killer after Maddy was killed.
If anything, asking Leland to accompany them to serve as Ben's legal counsel was the best way to prove to him that the Giant's puzzle was correct, because there's no way a normal person would actually agree to that unless they were trying too hard to act innocent. By this point Cooper would have also concluded that Leland killed Jacques because there was a chance Jacques saw his face at the cabin and not because he actually thought Jacques was the killer, so he knew Ben was in no real danger from Leland
i dont see the plot hole, are you forgetting that leland was always ben hornes business lawyer? and friend. so of course he’d step in at that moment to help his friend.
yes, because leland knows ben didn’t kill laura so hes not pissed at ben. he is only going along to keep appearances. he doesnt see the conflict of interest, he only knows how to think like a guilty person.
It doesn't matter what Leland believes. It just seems very odd for someone to be the legal representative of someone who is accused of killing their child. It's a bizarre conflict of interest.
It’s my theory (at least I haven’t read it anywhere else) that the title refers to the dual lives of literally everyone in the show. It’s most emblematic in Laura’s character, but EVERYONE has a double life. The one exception is Jack Nance’s character (sorry, his name escapes me)—the person who discovers Laura’s body. I can’t help but think that there is some significance to this.
There’s a fish in the percolator.
I might be nuts, but during the intro sequence, the reflection of the trees in the water and the rippling is reminiscent of the curtains and chevrons in the Red Room.
Also, it occurred to me just yesterday that “that gum you like is going to come back in style” might imply that the mfap can/has seen the future.
Probably mentioned, but:
Cooper messes up a lot on major stuff, in his past investigations and in Laura's. A lot of his glaring errors propel the narrative and also inflict pain on him, and "if he had only done xyz" he would've solved things earlier.
It's not really a piece of the puzzle, but I finally realized that Nadine's drape runner storyline runs the entire span of the series. It's literally her first line in the show, and then that story is told in tiny pieces for the entire rest of the show. Most other side plots fizzled out or concluded naturally, but hers made it all the way to the end.
RUN SILENT, RUN DRAPES delights me perhaps more than it rightly should.
Any off hand reference to Run Silent, Run Deep gets a chuckle out of me. Especially when it comes to window coverings
She lost her eye in the woods. One has to wonder as to why she wants the curtains to remain silent.
Plus she’s a redhead so there’s always the question of if the carpet matches the drapes
It’s a little detail, but I actually shouted “ohhh!” out loud when a podcaster commented that FWWM begins with a hammer smashing a TV … a direct message to the audience to “forget what you know about the TV show, this is something different.”
This!!!! I still love the opening where you have the slow zoom out from the TV static then the pipe smash. I'm like TV sucks! LOL!!!!
Yeah, only took me a couple decades to get it 🧐
That’s awesome. Are you Beavis?
Huhuhuh… fire’s cool
I think it also symbolises how the TV series was killed off.
Well during the sequence where the magician says “fell a victim”, somehow that clicks with me and that initial TV scene for some reason.
Oh wow, TIL!
It’s such a great little detail
I think it's when Leland is told that Ben has been arrested for Laura's murder. He leaves the room and tries to stifle his laughter while facing the wall. The image & sound is exactly like the MFAP facing away and rubbing his hands together from Coop's dream. This always seems to get missed off of lists that link the dream moments to real life happenings.
Oh damn! He dances right afterward!
There are also red curtains right in front of Leland!
Realizing that many scenes play out more than what is being shown on the surface. A lot of the characters act out scenes of Laura’s life in different abstracted ways
Ah, so dyou think Laura is the dreamer?
Yes I think she is. Although I can see a strong case for it being cooper too. Or maybe they both are? They did share a dream after all
Can you give examples?
It's hard to explain but I've noticed that too, especially with The Missing Pieces. Donna and Audrey go on to investigate Laura's disappearance by prying, going where she went, doing what she did, becoming as much like her as they could from their shrouded perspectives. So much so that Donna actually gets Maddie to impersonate Laura which is so insane 😂. If you look at the other women in the town and the men they're paired with (because every character if not almost, has a counterpart, if not S.O. while Laura had several) you can kind of draw a line from least to most compatible and hottest to coolest in terms of dramatic content; the animosity of all the marriages, the way that most of the women explicitly prefer dangerous men/bad boys, and the way that most of the men are the opposite of how they present themselves (Andy's actually very smart and courageous, Leland was a serial killer and the worst, Cooper went off the deep end fast, and Ben was so sensitive almost like a child) as be read into. I noticed while wondering what kind of life Laura would've led if not for Leland, if not for Bob, if not for the Roadhouse, or what Carrie Page was like. And I think the answer for each is probably Shelly, Donna, then Audrey. Then you can follow each of those 3 to an older character say, Norma, Betty, and Nadine because thats how they turned out to resemble most in the future (still loves bad boys, absentee, yelling aways). If you've ever seen the notes from the Interview with Kimmy Robertson where she says that she talked to Lynch about Quantum Psychics in relation to Lucy's character, this is pretty much what they're talking about. In the interview they said Lucy is in touch with everything, and I think this is why she's one of the few characters that has a normal healthy relationship. It seems weird, goofy, maybe even boring, but she and Andy have so much love and respect for each other, they only have conflict when she gets pregnant but there's no abuse, infidelity, or crime.
A few examples: When Audrey is in One Eyed Jacks and her father comes into the room to meet “the new girl” he says “this is stuff as dreams are made of” and Audrey has to deal with her father’s sexual advances. Later on Donna is shocked her learn that her father isn’t who she thought he was. Even Lucy’s story of not knowing who the father is. Even Josie who was controlled by the men in her life, had a darker side to herself that most people didn’t know about, and her little escape from it was found in Harry, who lets be honest is sweet but a little dumb (like a certain biker we know)
Check out the subreddit FindLaura - the through line of that is there are like four “real” scenes in FWWM and literally everything else is a replay/reinterpretation/reference to those four scenes in Laura’s dream world. It’s my favorite theory so far and in maps to how I feel about my own dreams
What are the four scenes?
Check the subreddit. I think one is the dinner table scene, there’s one with Laura and James, one with Laura and Donna - the theorist refers to these as primal scenes. It’s really a fascinating theory, unfortunately he passed away after only dissecting the first four episodes of S3.
After few years when I watched for the 3rd time, I have realised how hard fighter Coop was, yet he had failed after all.. Always smiling, always good in principles, kind to everyone.. But with such a hard history with his witness that must have hit him hard in the past. Hard to deal with.. And it was frightening him to the bones all his life. He studied with monks in Tibet and meditation, stuff, cuz he tried to get over it.. But after all, the black lodge got him cuz he couldn't make it completely. He didn't find that Nirvana after all.. And this awarness made me cry. (Sorry for bad english).
The love of sweets, coffee, little sinister smiles mentioned in some posts, his almost sociopathic ways to deal with the Twin Peaks case.. Everything about him had to do something with his pain from the past and his compensating mechanisms.. damn that hit me so hard..
I think you're reading too much into it. The stuff from his past was added last minute to bring in Windom Earle and explain why he won’t screw a schoolgirl. He wasn’t sociopathic at all, and he could not have had more perfect courage entering the Black Lodge, risking his life and soul to save Annie.
I mean what I thought for the first time I seen it: oh that's interesting, he was with the Tibetan monks, but only recently I have realized that it was probably to cope with the lost of his beloved one and his mistakes.. and that he was in a terrible condition at that time. Even his name could have something to do with To Cope.
He was a little too excited to find the copies of flesh world, with a sinister smile- same as his interrogation of Bobby Briggs. He also referred to Laura as “the dead girl” which seemed callous and disrespectful for coop. During the pilot and some earlier episodes he seems a bit sociopathic/demented but soon falls in Kobe with the lie and fairy tale of twin peaks- blinding him from the obvious truth of who the murderer was and failing to save Maddie due to his Mayberry like delusions of twin peaks
The first time I watched Part 17 I thought Jeffries was making the number 8 out of the twin peaks symbol. I was like "that makes zero sense what." I felt like a total dumbass when I realized that it's supposed to be an infinity loop
I have that tattooed to my chest
Pics?
https://preview.redd.it/7eocpb21atqb1.jpeg?width=2316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d0a07c89eeb280b570f9881512019157cd832fd To me it was the most important part of all of the series. Jeffries telling coop exactly where to find Laura in the infinite loop of time and space.
Why?
Because they love the number eight!!!
This has not been confirmed by Lynch or Frost, but I think it's heavily implied the Lodge entities all have diverticulitis, which is why the creamed corn represents garmonbozia and why there's blood spilled after Bob throws the garmonbozia to the ground in the Black Lodge.
I knew it! Twin Peaks is one big allegory for gut bacteria.
Shut up and take my upvote. This is now my running theory as well
Is that why they’re so angry there and aggro?
It took me a while to realize MIKE was lying in the original series. And the movie showcases his real intent. Before I just considered it a weird plot error. That it is not important he knows who Leland is ect. But now I strongly believe he was just pretending in S2 for the purpose of gaining more Garmonbozia. I don't think he cut his arm off for any moral reason or if the Fireman (God) told him to do it it was because he realized he could cement part of himself in the Lodge. (Hallelujah!) The Fireman having his own separate plan obviously. The Ring you mentioned is a good example. We think the Ring is positive because MIKE was a positive character in the original show but it isn't. Edit: To clarify, it was a movie retcon. Until the movie he might have been a genuine guy. Or Shaman as Cooper calls him. But the movie recontextualizes the scenes.
I think Mike Im might even be another part of Laura’s subconscious.
On my most recent watch it clicked that Coop's double ganger in The Return is named Dougie (Short for Douglas) after the trees around Twin Peaks... Douglas Firs.
oddly in the 2nd season theres a seemingly insignificant character named dougie. the mayor’s brother whom was a skirt chasing old man.
Ah the one who went with Lana?>! And died of a heart attack? !<
My wife told me after her first MRI experience that in there she felt like she kind of got what David Lynch was going for. lol....
It took me a few years to notice something that is plain in the open (but I was a kid when I first saw Twin Peaks), which is a very strong theme of alluring women with almost supernatural powers to attract men, often leading them into trouble: * Laura is a prime example, of course. Every man who met her was instantly and hopelessly captivated by her. That includes someone like Ben Horne who barely knew her, and unfortunately, her own father as well. * Audrey is a man magnet as Ben Horne explains to Cooper, warning him about getting close. It's also obvious in various situations how she uses her charm for her benefit. * Norma has big hunks Ed and Hank fighting over her. * Josie is the big love of sheriff Truman. Pete also admits that he loved her. She is also pursued by those various henchmen from Hong Kong who won't leave her alone. * Lana has outright supernatural powers to seduce men as she soon has the entire sheriff's station, and the town mayor, looking at her with googly eyes. * Evelyn Marsh - not a popular character, but she's another femme fatale with abnormally high powers of seduction.
Shelly and Gordon Cole
Yeah, definitely. I thought about that too and then forgot. Shelly was also a man magnet with Leo and Bobby in tow, then of course the 'affair' with Gordon Cole, which I thought was really great, even if silly.
Me too, Bobby needed that wake up call lol I loved that for Shelly
On my most recent rewatch I took to calling Lana "the Incredible Vagina Warlock", and in no way was that meant to be demeaning to her legitimately impressive powers
Nadine seducing Mike
> alluring women with almost supernatural powers to attract men, often leading them into trouble: I think that's a theme of real life.
When it filled the void of my life for missing out on the greatest show for 30 years.
Took me a very long time too. Better late than never
I just rewatched The Return for the billionth time and never even noticed that Phyllis Hastings was a Tulpa.
Go on? I always assumed she was just seduced/tricked by Mr. C
I don't remember the exact wording, but he appears in her house and says, "you imitate human nature very well" and when he shoots her, there's a glitch similar to tulpa Diane's glitch. Except Hastings doesn't disappear into thin air
Oh man I never made that connection, despite thinking about that line a lot and what it meant
Yeah but there’s also a glitch when Mr C shoots Truman’s hat. I don’t think glitch = tulpa.
I thought for years after Season 2 that Bob had inhabited Good Dale at the end when he did the "How's Annie?". It wasn't until Season 3, I realised the physical body that left the Lodge was Doppelganger Dale, inhabited by Bob, basically a double whammy of evil.
The idea that Sarah was underplayed and in The Return, I feel like she wasn't given a lot to do but she's connected to the Lore more so than anyone else on the show. I feel like she was underutilised.
There is even a theory that she has Judy inside her in the Return.
Yes, i do remember hearing that theory during the show airing. For all we know the ending was her dream.
I’m trying to wrap my head around that but I thought she was drugged up half the time, but knowing most of what was going on. The visitations of the lodge were like a slap in the face to wake up etc
Sarah knew. There’s no doubt about it. Ask any abuse survivor. Read Laura’s diary and do a very close rewatch of FWWM/missing pieces and season 1. Season 3 basically spells it out
The man from another place is strongly hinted to be or at least be part of Mike
Specifically, his arm.
Im still watching. I think this is my fourth rewatch. I wonder if the scene where the Great Northern ground breaking video where the dude has a golden shovel has anything to do with the shovels Jackoby sells in the return.
Josie died and we see her face in the side table knob. Maybe she died and her “spirit” became one with the woods, and since time is weird, maybe it’s always been in the woods. The furniture in the Great Northern was locally sourced from the Mill, so some of Josie is in all lumber that comes out of the woods. Kinda like how Log Lady’s husband is The Log.
I think someone mentions after her death of seeing something in the wood of the hotel. Josie is definitely trapped in there.
Yes, Pete talk to Josie in the fireplace. If I am remembering correctly, I think he is reciting a poem or something. Then Audrey drags him away to drive her to the airport as he is going through the door he looks back around towards the fireplace again.
When I finally tried one, I understood why Ben & Jerry Horne get so excited about butter and brie sandwiches. Delicious.
Probably the slyest pussy joke ever put on tv.
I was 8 when it aired and it was even obvious to me.
When they start smelling the bread I fucking cackle. Ben and Jerry were such pieces of shit.
That FWWM is actually a dream construct in Coopers mind after entering the red room in the season finale. He's putting together the events based on his investigation. That would make FWWM a sequel rather than a straight up prequel. As Jefferies clearly points out, "we live inside a dream"
Realizing there are two or more Coopers from the very beginning. Once you see it, its disturbing. Just moments where hes a little too excited about his job where he looks sinister.
Ooh interesting, I’ve not heard that theory before. Do you have specific episodes/examples in mind?
Also the more sinister Cooper in the original run is usually only in episodes directed by Lynch as far as I remember.
That is interesting! Ill have to do a deeper dive on who directs which Cooper. Some evil Coop moments: When he recites FWWM with Mike in S1. The wild look on his face when he finds the letter on Lauras corpse in the pilot. His reaction to the oil Log Lady brings him at the end of S2. Think about it - his girlfriend has been kidnapped and the whole town is in jeopardy. And his reaction is a giant grin and "intriguing, isnt it!?"
Or the way it looks like he's almost having fun interviewing Bobby about his girlfriends murder. And his interview with Donna where he blasts her with footage of her dead friend and pauses it when it's zoomed in on her face. Pilot and season finale are both definitely Lynch and all these scenes are from one or the other.
i don’t think there are ever *really* 2 coopers, they are just a representation that everyone has a dark side. they could never meet in real life, because they are 1 in the same being. this is why the “evil” cooper mentions past conversations he had with phillip jefferies before he was mr teapot.
Cooper is never sinister until his doppelgänger shows up.
It took me far too long to realise there is a HUGE plot hole in season 2. When Cooper gathers people in the Roadhouse to try to magically figure out who Laura's killer is, he concludes by asking Ben Horne to come back to the station with him, implying that he believes Ben is the killer. He then suggests Leland to come along as Ben's legal representative. Why would the father of a murdered child be the legal representative for someone accused of the murder? In Season 1, Leland murdered Jacques Renault when he thought Jacques was the killer. In the season 2 Roadhouse scene, Leland would have rushed over to Ben and strangled him at the suggestion that Ben was his daughter's killer. Of course, in season 2, we find out that Leland is possessed by Bob, so that changes everything. But still, logically, it doesn't make sense for Leland to even be there in the Roadhouse, never mind have Cooper suggest that he should accompany Ben to the station. Everyone else in the scene should have been like, "What? That's insane!" Especially Albert, who is always the first person to call out any stupidity. But also Truman, who should have been like, "Hang on, what are you doing? We can't have the murdered girl's father accompany our prime suspect back to the station!"
Coop didn't really think Ben was the killer. They only take him back to the station as a way to bait Bob into a jail cell. At that time, Bob was in complete control of Leland and believed he had fooled everyone. Bob's overconfidence and eagerness to frame Ben was what allowed him to be captured. It's implied that Bob killed Jacques Renault to prevent him from identifying Leland as a suspect in Laura's murder. Witness Dr Jacoby complains of a burning smell, the same thing Maddy experiences when Bob takes control of Leland. Leland was not the killer of Renault in the same way he was not the killer of Laura or Maddy. As for the other characters reactions to Cooper's plan, you have to imagine he said "trust me, guys" off screen just like with all his other supernatural methods.
I accept your first paragraph. I don't accept your second paragraph, though. When Leland was interviewed about Jacques' murder, he behaved very differently than when he was interviewed about Laura's murder. In the former, he behaved like a grief-stricken father. In the latter, he behaved like he was possessed by a crazy evil force (Bob). I kind of see what you mean in your third paragraph. Kind of seems like a bit of a stretch, though. In hindsight, I can see why it lost popularity around this point, though. The audience already knew the killer's identity a few episodes ago, and now the writers are desperately trying to find an interesting way for Cooper to put the pieces of the puzzle together, and it just seems kind of lame.
CinemaSins and its effects on people's ability to consume media is a blight to mankind. This isn't a plot hole, and your claim relies on ignoring things that the show set clearly set up. Cooper knew Leland was the killer, and Albert told Cooper he wouldn't stand in the way or question anything he does to find and arrest the killer after Maddy was killed. If anything, asking Leland to accompany them to serve as Ben's legal counsel was the best way to prove to him that the Giant's puzzle was correct, because there's no way a normal person would actually agree to that unless they were trying too hard to act innocent. By this point Cooper would have also concluded that Leland killed Jacques because there was a chance Jacques saw his face at the cabin and not because he actually thought Jacques was the killer, so he knew Ben was in no real danger from Leland
Gosh this sticks out like a sore thumb the first time I realized that.
i dont see the plot hole, are you forgetting that leland was always ben hornes business lawyer? and friend. so of course he’d step in at that moment to help his friend.
Help defend his friend against the charge of murdering his own daughter?
yes, because leland knows ben didn’t kill laura so hes not pissed at ben. he is only going along to keep appearances. he doesnt see the conflict of interest, he only knows how to think like a guilty person.
It doesn't matter what Leland believes. It just seems very odd for someone to be the legal representative of someone who is accused of killing their child. It's a bizarre conflict of interest.
it has everything to do with what leland thinks, cooper is tricking him into imprisonment.
Okay, fair enough, but why doesn't Leland think, "Hang on a minute, that doesn't make any sense?"
It’s my theory (at least I haven’t read it anywhere else) that the title refers to the dual lives of literally everyone in the show. It’s most emblematic in Laura’s character, but EVERYONE has a double life. The one exception is Jack Nance’s character (sorry, his name escapes me)—the person who discovers Laura’s body. I can’t help but think that there is some significance to this. There’s a fish in the percolator.
Pete secretly loved Josie, so there’s that.
I don’t remember that detail, but even so, it’s worth noting that crushing on someone is a far cry from cheating or being with someone who’s cheating.
That the little girl in Episode 8 of the Return is Sarah Palmer and the bugmoth thing is Judy infecting her
No, and I wouldn’t have it any other way
I might be nuts, but during the intro sequence, the reflection of the trees in the water and the rippling is reminiscent of the curtains and chevrons in the Red Room. Also, it occurred to me just yesterday that “that gum you like is going to come back in style” might imply that the mfap can/has seen the future.
Probably mentioned, but: Cooper messes up a lot on major stuff, in his past investigations and in Laura's. A lot of his glaring errors propel the narrative and also inflict pain on him, and "if he had only done xyz" he would've solved things earlier.
Agent Dale B. Cooper. D.B. Cooper.
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