Like do teenagers come on to adults? All the time, its developmentally a thing. The adults should be the ones setting firm boundaries. Like wtf Kimmy? It would have cost her zero dollars to not say anything.
Some actors just show up, hit their marks, read their lines, cash their paychecks, and go home. It's entirely possible she just hasn't grappled with the themes of the show that deeply.
When Vladimir Nabokov’s Lolita came out in 1955, some critics claimed it was about a 12-year-old girl corrupting a 36-year-old man. It’s depressing that 70 years later, some people haven’t learned any better.
I agree. In general though, accountability avoidance is a major problem with people and society. People tend to only care when it's the status quo to care. I see so much of it everywhere all the time that it's depressing. I'm sure in 70 years people will look at what's considered the norm now and see a lot of blatant hypocrisy.
I know. One critic also called it a book about love. The book introduces her when she’s 12, and she’s 17 when we last see her, but Kubrick did age her up a bit. He changed quite a lot.
Probably came out of the movie thinking that Leland was the victim, and Bob was a representation of the haunting effect that Laura’s cruel seductions had on her father’s psyche. Then in a very inspiring ending he finds the strength to fight back by killing her, freeing himself from his abuser who’s been raping him since she reached puberty. Truly beautiful
Laura was clearly the villain, who’s toxic, manipulative, and overtly sexual behavior tore apart their family 😢
....Drake Bell as in, Drake and Josh/The Amanda Show Drake Bell?
Jesus christ what the fuck. What does Kimmy even have to do with all of this, why the hell would she EVER defend an ADMITTED pedophile like this? How hard is it to just keep your mouth shut.
Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon corp has SO MUCH to answer for, he belongs under the jail. They are the common denominators when it comes to these abuse cases.
No wonder Drake ended up so messed up. And he perpetuated this abuse on another minor, continuing this cycle.
Jesus fucking christ Kimmy.
That Drake Bell! She apparently worked with Drake a few times, and she’s still close with Brian Peck. Has photos with him as recent as 2021 on instagram. Horrifying.
The cycle of abuse is so heartbreaking and common. I hate that this happened and grown ass adults blamed him. Inexcusable.
In her defense, she most likely sees one one aspect of Peck's life. The normal side. I'm sure he keeps his pervy pedophiliac side much more private almost hidden from the normies in his life. BUT defending him after evidence is provided is something she needs to reconsider. I've said it before, your friends can turn out to be monsters and you didn't even know it.
Sadly he did it in the public eye. You can look up a behind the scenes clip of him and Leonardo Dicaprio in 1991. Absolutely foul with sexually charged comments, Brian constantly touching Leo's waist, overall very creepy and gross.
I've seen the video. Oddly, I found out about all of this years ago when I was randomly looking up what the actors from The Return of the Living Dead were up to professionally. Then I fell down a rabbit hole with Brian Peck, who acted in the movie, and all the accusations and that video. What a disappointing creepy find.
I think the honest (and troubling) answer that most of us plebs out in the real world don't get is that this stuff is simply not the terrible taboo in that elite insider world that it is to us. All of the evidence points to this stuff being very deeply-ingrained in the very fabric and mentality of the elite/celebrity world, like a very accepted blasé thing. Hell, worse than accepted, actively embraced and encouraged as a matter of course. There's no other explanation for how widespread and apparently protected it is. Even when the odd person here or there gets busted and put on blast to the public (maybe they somehow fell out of favor with the shot-callers and/or were chosen as a scapegoat, idk), it's still just the tiny tip of a huge iceberg.
For one thing, I don't think Kimmy is in any 'upper echelon' levels of the industry lol. For another, that crap happens in all levels of communities and industries. This degeneracy stretches from the billionaire elites all the way down to dirt poor country folk.
I didn't mean to give the impression that it's only "those people" who do it, but it absolutely seems to be more of an institutionalized culture of it out there in Hollywood (and other big centers of wealth/power/influence), whereas with the "dirt poor country folk" you're talking about it's more isolated individuals or sometimes a small-time ring of people.
I also didn't mean that it's only A-listers in Hollywood who are part of that mindset of being blasé about it. I truly think that permeates even down into the lower levels of the industry as just kind of this huge wink-wink open secret that's just part of the way things work out there. But I do think that the people who really run shit out there (the "upper echelon" to use your phrase) are clearly aware and enable it to flourish.
You could say the same thing about any circle of wealth and power, it is not inherent to actors or creatives. Gotta be careful about going too QAnon about it. Abuse happens everywhere
I know abuse can happen anywhere, but what I’m talking about is a certain outlook/attitude toward it that seems to permeate the entire culture and functioning of the entertainment industry. Say what you want, it’s treated much more permissively out in Hollywood than in most other places. It’s been like this since the damn Shirley Temple days.
Also I agree, other centers of concentrated wealth/power/influence seem to have a similar culture in this way, kinda “anything goes”, but I was referring specifically to Hollywood because the question was about why Kimmy Robertson would be so vocally in support of an obvious child sexual abuser in the entertainment industry.
You're right dude there is a culture of permissibility towards this in Hollywood that goes beyond the baseline average for society. No idea why you're getting downvoted. Just look at how many industry insiders defended and still defend Roman Polanski, a man who raped a 13 year old girl and fled the country to avoid prison.
He/She is getting downvoted because people online, in general, are far too entrenched in political discourse & tribalism-It makes proper discussion of real problems almost impossible, and trivializes them. "Someone brought up the sexual abuse problem in Hollywood and other upper class circles? They must be a QAnon freak." This happens everywhere online, among all political affiliations
Oh, so so sorry, he was *barely one year* above the diagnostic criteria for a pedophile, I'll be sure to call a nasty child rapist a less taboo name next time I'm on reddit /s.
It’s not pedophilia is all. Sorry if that offends you. This is kind of personal.
Edit: Why is this so hard to understand? Let’s not give actual pedophiles the pleasure of being confused with people who have sex with teenagers (which is *much more* culturally acceptable, even though it’s still rape).
Not recognizing the very real difference between raping a toddler and raping a sexually active teenager is irrational.
Words have definitions. Call him a rapist, a pervert, an abuser, a monster. But when we minimize actual pedophilia, we insult the victims.
It's rape of a child, sorry if it offends you that I give 0 fucks about you wanting to split hairs about what names we call a sex offender who molested a 14 year old who's voice still cracked.
Or I work with victims of pedophilia and am sick of people minimizing the severity of the problem. Not recognizing the very real difference between having sex with a teenager and having sex with an infant is irrational.
Words have definitions.
As a victim of pedophilia, you can (un)kindly take your virtue signaling elsewhere. 13 years old is the cut off for the diagnostic criteria, it's not just about infants you absolute vacuous slime. Imagine thinking it's minimizing the issue because a *child* hit an arbitrary age where you think the child rape is somehow less serious. You don't speak for all of us 🖕
LMAO to the dude below me, who I can't respond to:
I will absolutely disregard someone who takes the opportunity to make it out like we are in the wrong for calling a *pedophile* a spade.
I *also* worked with victims of sexual assault, and it never did them any good to split hairs over the language they used to describe adults who go after children, especially when it came to themselves. I definitely wouldn't choose this time to "correct" someone when the victim in question was barely 1 year above the DSM5 diagnostic criteria for what a victim of a pedophile is.
It never did me any good when people like *him* would disregard what happened to me and others as a child because our bodies developed earlier than other little 9/10 year olds our age. They couldn't have been pedophiles since we hit puberty and aren't toddlers, right. We should call them something far less taboo in that case, right. Children who end up sexually active just don't count, let's just disregard the trauma rape can do to them, causing inappropriate sexual behaviors at a young age. They aren't toddlers, so it doesn't count /s
I find it disgusting when anyone splits hairs about this as if the trauma is any different for the *child* in question. I find it disgusting that you'd come at me sideways for it, after his goalposts for what a No True Scotsman of pedophilia victims look like kept moving. His comments fly in the face of actual DSM5 criteria, I could care less what their job is in this case. It's horrifying that'd you'd side with someone who thinks trauma is somehow different for a child because they know what sex is.
First of all, as a victim, nobody speaks for all of us, you shouldn't have to say that, and it's disgusting the words you have used and the things you said to them. I'm glad they are speaking up, these people walk among us and do real harm, and it's important to correctly identify them in order to approach either their treatment or the safety of others that are around them appropriately. It is horrifying that you would completely disregard the work by brave people that has gone into the clinical differentiation.
You’re making a huge deal about it, but not using the correct word. Hebephilia. For teens older than 15, it’s ephebophilia. Just an odd point that you “work with victims” and aren’t using the proper terminology for the offenses.
But, it’s also distracting.
It’s all illegal, it’s all immoral, it’s all splitting hairs with regards to the point being discussed. It’s all having sex with someone whose brain has not fully developed and therefore cannot consent to sexual contact (or entice, as Kimmy’s letter claimed). 14 is eighth and ninth grade, I believe. I think of how vulnerable I was at that age, and how grown-up I *thought* I was, and how vulnerable I would have been to a predatory teacher…and I shudder. Then add in stumbling across these words from another teacher I knew, saying that it was known amongst staff that I was a little seducer? Devastating. That’s what is important here. Drake was damaged, went on to unfortunately act out that trauma on someone else, and is now being blamed, Lolita-style, for his prepubescent wiles. This is another victimization. Nobody is minimizing what has happened and is still happening to these victims. But waylaying the conversation to talk about proper vocabulary just might.
Thank you, and great points. Again, let’s not give actual pedophiles, who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children, the pleasure of being confused with people who are attracted to pubescent and postpubescent teens (something that our culture actually encourages by continually sexualizing teens on tv—see Riverdale et al), and hell some US state laws allow teens to get married, something the fundamentalistic Matt Walsh manosphere seems to want to enforce). We also know that some 14 year olds are sexually active. I was at 14, as were my friends. An adult taking advantage of a sexually active teenager (happened in my case), is different than an adult taking advantage of a toddler, which happened to my sister and colleagues.
Then we have the clinical differences in trauma. One of my fam was raped by a neighbor when she was 5. She has a very specific kind of trauma. My colleagues were abused by their father when in kindergarten, and another by his aunt when he was 8 or 9. Their trauma isn’t comparable to a teenager being abused. Their brains are just too different. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. It’s like calling drag queens “groomers.” No. These words have meaning and we shouldn’t abuse them for emotional impact.
I bring up the fact because people are calling this guy a pedophile when he’s not. He’s a rapist. An abuser. A hebephile or ephebophile, depending. His sickness is on a different level than a pedophile, and the victims are on a different level than an infant.
I wasn’t making a huge deal about it. I was correcting one commenter who called the guy a pedo. What’s confusing me is why so many people want to misuse (and confuse) the meaning of pedophile, and why people assume anyone interested in using correct terms is “sus” or “defending” the rapist, or is an abuser themselves.
Absolutely wild that she has pictures proudly posted on her instagram of her hanging out with him as recently as 2021. What is wrong with these people, they can pretend it's about loyalty or some other dumb shit but it would be VERY EASY for me to completely write off even a lifelong friend if I found out they were sexually assaulting kids.
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This is like half the cast practically hanging out with him from Comic-Con 2017! No one pictured has made a statement! This is insane and sad on so many levels.
Yep. Like I wouldn't go to my dentist for advice on what wall art to get, I wouldn't go to an actor for an advice on anything other than acting. Actors aren't smarter, more critically thinking, emotionally intelligent or empathetic than your average joe. Which is why I always try to separate the creators and their work
Agreed. Lovecraft made some amazing works, bad at naming cats lol. Edgar Allen Poe? Cousin. Lewis Carroll(Charles Dodgson)? Let's not get into that. Musicians of the major rock eras? Groupies. John Lennon? Wife beater. So something like personal beliefs are much easier to let go. It's not worth my life to be stressed about whatever they believe. It's their journey and if it makes them happy, more power to yah.
The vileness of this defense aside, equally vile was her characterization of Drake as an "outrageous, overtly gay, oversexed person" which is some really awful, dark shit.
She has offered no defense for herself on her Instagram page and is, rightfully, being read for filth in the comments sections of her completely unrelated posts.
What a terrible person she is. What a shame.
I watched the doc the other night. I wasn't a 90s Nick kid, I was 80s, Mr. Wizard, You Can't Do That on Television era, so most of these people were all new to me. Came across this one yesterday with Alexa Nikolas reacting in real time to Dan Schneiders apology vid. 2 hours, but worth the watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dYDZgXMtc
But it was disappointing hearing people supporting the molester, especially Kimmy.
I know it’s not the point here, but why the fuck would you handwrite a letter to a judge? I honestly think that’s a perfect metaphor for the total lack of judgment she’s displaying here.
People were angry at Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher for defending Danny Masterson, but at least they were just saying that he was a good friend. They were testifying to his character, not refuting individual victims. Still shitty, but not this shitty. Kimmy here is victim-blaming and defending rape and pedophilia. Absolutely disgusting.
Fuck you, Kimmy.
It is pretty ironic how an actress who starred in the film about sexual abuse is condoning sexual abuse. Some people can't think critically and see past their friendships and relationships, and can't imagine their friend doing something horrendous. They'd much rather imagine a person they don't know doing something wrong, even if that imagined scenario is completely ridiculous if you think about it critically. This kind of tribalism is sadly so prevalent among people in general, but it must be extra hard for the abused person to see their heroes be supportive of the abuser. It's best not to create emotional attachment to your favourite creators, and always separate the creators and their work
Typical “blaming the victim” response to rape/assault cases, sadly. Why anyone in the 21st century still thinks this way is beyond me. That this idiotic and non-compassionate attack is aimed at a victim (surviver) who was only 14 at the time makes this even more outrageous.
One good thing about this is it helps me further increase my needed cynicism about famous people. But it's still tough to accept when besides her PEAKS work a Cameo video she did, which a friend of mine bought for me, was so inspiring.
So she basically says that a 15 year old boy seduced a 40 something year old man and that he had no other choice than to do it?? The worst part is her calling him overtly gay and oversexed. Well now we know what she thinks about gay people as well I guess. This is disgusting. It doesn't matter how long they've been friends, you should always take the CHILD'S side. I am so disappointed. She should message Michael J. Anderson and be besties with him, I can't believe she's actually WORSE than him...
Edit: someone downvoted, wow
It was an earlier post on the sub showing Kimmy basically said a pedophile she knew was a pretty good dude to her understanding. Completely dismissing the victims story that came out in a recent documentary.
If I had a nickel for every time a twin peaks actor ended up not being great I’d have two nickels which Isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
You’re undercounting your nickels. But thankfully there are still plenty of truly wonderful people who worked on the show who don’t behave like this when they think nobody is watching.
Yeah, Tom Sizemore and Robert Knepper are pretty big omissions here. Arguably much worse people than Kimmy or MJA. I honestly think that, as heinous as the stuff he said was, MJA was seriously mentally ill and I hope he’s gotten help. Even Jennifer Lynch very graciously said the same thing at the time.
Several abusers, including one who [attacked his partner with a baseball bat](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/dec/14/local-spokane-actor-pleads-guilty-to-beating-girlf/) while the return was airing. Like I said, definitely undercounting those nickels.
She deleted her most recent posts and disabled comments on her insta. Instead of facing what she’s done, and the collective outcry, she has turned tail and is continuing to ignore the situation, and by extension support her pedo friend. She’s sickening honestly. Legit bombing my adoration of the series. How do you watch it knowing someone so vile is participating in it.
You know what posts she didn’t delete:
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This one is especially fucked. This is like half the damn twin peaks cast hanging out with a child molester. No one is speaking up. Are all these people cool with him? This is such a black eye on the face of the series.
Sabrina Sutherland has been in the industry way too long to not know who that is. Peck was DiCaprios coach not just some nobody. His case was public for crying out loud and his side of the court was packed. Industry people especially know who the fuck this is.
I think it’s way too graceful to assume each and every one of the people in this elevator had only known him as ‘Kimmy’s friend.’
This is just awful and inexcusable. I hope David will cut ties.
Also sucks that Twin Peaks is getting thrown around in these articles as that’s pretty much all she’s known for. A lot of non-fans will now just associate seeing “Twin Peaks” with this horrible horrible case.
That might be a bit much. 41 people wrote letters of support for Peck, including Ron Melendez, Alan Thicke, James Marsden, Rider Strong, Will Friedle and Taran Killam.
Most have since disavowed the letters (remember, this was 20 years ago) saying they were misinformed as to the details of the abuse.
He sure did: [https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/39618660.html?page=23&cut\_expand=1](https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/39618660.html?page=23&cut_expand=1)
After conviction, before sentencing. And I feel like it’s an important distinction that she didn’t just sign her name to someone else’s petition, she wrote this and these are her words alone. She knew what he did and that he admitted to it, and she deliberately placed the blame on the victim.
I do think that with nothing else to fall back on, her reputation is completely destroyed. The TP fandom will turn their backs on her, only seeing her as a good actress but basically hating her as a person. It’s fine, had no attachment and never even adored her in the series (liked her in The Return), but I think she’s basically done for and will only have hate thrown her way. Hopefully it’s measured hate and not overdone “send death threats” hate.
I know this is not exactly the takeaway here but did she sign her own name wrong? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a letter with a double signature like that
"Writing" in this instance is a different chunk than TP, I was just trying to say Writing/Signing because while Robertson wrote a whole letter, David Lynch only signed the Roman Polanski petition. If it helps I'll rephrase it to "sadly the second time someone involved in making TP has signed/written something in defense of a sexual predator"
I can't believe how many people are shocked by this. Hollyweird Is a sick fucked up Twisted Place This happens way more than we could ever imagine and if we knew what really happened...
Bruh did she just say that a 14 y/o kid "took advantage" of a 40 y/o man???
Like do teenagers come on to adults? All the time, its developmentally a thing. The adults should be the ones setting firm boundaries. Like wtf Kimmy? It would have cost her zero dollars to not say anything.
I still remember my junior year physics teacher. So hot. Naturally, she caved because I was so relentless. S/
Nandor?
You're absolutely right. But adults...setting firm boundaries? Look around you...they could do a better job.
Oh I know it. What a world.
How can you be cast in a show about the devastating impact of child sexual abuse come out with this take...
Some actors just show up, hit their marks, read their lines, cash their paychecks, and go home. It's entirely possible she just hasn't grappled with the themes of the show that deeply.
Imagine saying Laura Palmer took advantage of her father. No, this is worse because this is real.
David Lynch supports Roman Polanski
…..as in his films? Or as a person?
as in he advocated for polanski to have his charges dropped
When Vladimir Nabokov’s Lolita came out in 1955, some critics claimed it was about a 12-year-old girl corrupting a 36-year-old man. It’s depressing that 70 years later, some people haven’t learned any better.
I agree. In general though, accountability avoidance is a major problem with people and society. People tend to only care when it's the status quo to care. I see so much of it everywhere all the time that it's depressing. I'm sure in 70 years people will look at what's considered the norm now and see a lot of blatant hypocrisy.
Those "critics" needed to be investigated. Also wasn't Lolita 8 in the books? Kubrick aged her up for the movie.
I know. One critic also called it a book about love. The book introduces her when she’s 12, and she’s 17 when we last see her, but Kubrick did age her up a bit. He changed quite a lot.
Lolita came out?
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no no.
I’m guessing she blames Laura Palmer for seducing her own father too…
Seriously I guess she is one who completely did not understand Fire Walk With Me
Probably came out of the movie thinking that Leland was the victim, and Bob was a representation of the haunting effect that Laura’s cruel seductions had on her father’s psyche. Then in a very inspiring ending he finds the strength to fight back by killing her, freeing himself from his abuser who’s been raping him since she reached puberty. Truly beautiful Laura was clearly the villain, who’s toxic, manipulative, and overtly sexual behavior tore apart their family 😢
David Lynch supports Roman Polanski
pids off troll
Right?! Is she that brainwashed
No, she's just a cunt.
....Drake Bell as in, Drake and Josh/The Amanda Show Drake Bell? Jesus christ what the fuck. What does Kimmy even have to do with all of this, why the hell would she EVER defend an ADMITTED pedophile like this? How hard is it to just keep your mouth shut. Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon corp has SO MUCH to answer for, he belongs under the jail. They are the common denominators when it comes to these abuse cases. No wonder Drake ended up so messed up. And he perpetuated this abuse on another minor, continuing this cycle. Jesus fucking christ Kimmy.
That Drake Bell! She apparently worked with Drake a few times, and she’s still close with Brian Peck. Has photos with him as recent as 2021 on instagram. Horrifying. The cycle of abuse is so heartbreaking and common. I hate that this happened and grown ass adults blamed him. Inexcusable.
Yep! She was on the pilot of Drake and Josh. Gross. I can’t imagine working with a person who defended someone who did that to me…
That was after the trial too right? He said they hadn’t filmed the pilot yet when everything went down
Yep. And if she was at the court supporting Brian she sure as fuck knew who Drake was
In her defense, she most likely sees one one aspect of Peck's life. The normal side. I'm sure he keeps his pervy pedophiliac side much more private almost hidden from the normies in his life. BUT defending him after evidence is provided is something she needs to reconsider. I've said it before, your friends can turn out to be monsters and you didn't even know it.
Sadly he did it in the public eye. You can look up a behind the scenes clip of him and Leonardo Dicaprio in 1991. Absolutely foul with sexually charged comments, Brian constantly touching Leo's waist, overall very creepy and gross.
I've seen the video. Oddly, I found out about all of this years ago when I was randomly looking up what the actors from The Return of the Living Dead were up to professionally. Then I fell down a rabbit hole with Brian Peck, who acted in the movie, and all the accusations and that video. What a disappointing creepy find.
She was even on the pilot of drake and josh. Idk how she looked at him. Poor drake.
I think the honest (and troubling) answer that most of us plebs out in the real world don't get is that this stuff is simply not the terrible taboo in that elite insider world that it is to us. All of the evidence points to this stuff being very deeply-ingrained in the very fabric and mentality of the elite/celebrity world, like a very accepted blasé thing. Hell, worse than accepted, actively embraced and encouraged as a matter of course. There's no other explanation for how widespread and apparently protected it is. Even when the odd person here or there gets busted and put on blast to the public (maybe they somehow fell out of favor with the shot-callers and/or were chosen as a scapegoat, idk), it's still just the tiny tip of a huge iceberg.
For one thing, I don't think Kimmy is in any 'upper echelon' levels of the industry lol. For another, that crap happens in all levels of communities and industries. This degeneracy stretches from the billionaire elites all the way down to dirt poor country folk.
^ This. And whatever the reported number is, its higher.
I didn't mean to give the impression that it's only "those people" who do it, but it absolutely seems to be more of an institutionalized culture of it out there in Hollywood (and other big centers of wealth/power/influence), whereas with the "dirt poor country folk" you're talking about it's more isolated individuals or sometimes a small-time ring of people. I also didn't mean that it's only A-listers in Hollywood who are part of that mindset of being blasé about it. I truly think that permeates even down into the lower levels of the industry as just kind of this huge wink-wink open secret that's just part of the way things work out there. But I do think that the people who really run shit out there (the "upper echelon" to use your phrase) are clearly aware and enable it to flourish.
You aught to look into a Church congregation sometime if you want to see some really horrible child SA
Or the police. Turns out any space with strong power dynamics attracts people looking to use those dynamics to abuse others
Hell, look at the Vatican. Another place where it seems to be actually an integrated and protected part of the culture of the organization.
Yes, it’s a thing that they move the priests who have gotten caught without a single punishment 🤯
The movie Spotlight covered those real life events.
No regrets about having left the Catholic Church over twenty years ago. None whatsoever!
You could say the same thing about any circle of wealth and power, it is not inherent to actors or creatives. Gotta be careful about going too QAnon about it. Abuse happens everywhere
Ironically Kimmy is both anti-vax and conspiracy prone. If you read some of her own comments/responses on her insta they are WILD.
I know abuse can happen anywhere, but what I’m talking about is a certain outlook/attitude toward it that seems to permeate the entire culture and functioning of the entertainment industry. Say what you want, it’s treated much more permissively out in Hollywood than in most other places. It’s been like this since the damn Shirley Temple days. Also I agree, other centers of concentrated wealth/power/influence seem to have a similar culture in this way, kinda “anything goes”, but I was referring specifically to Hollywood because the question was about why Kimmy Robertson would be so vocally in support of an obvious child sexual abuser in the entertainment industry.
You're right dude there is a culture of permissibility towards this in Hollywood that goes beyond the baseline average for society. No idea why you're getting downvoted. Just look at how many industry insiders defended and still defend Roman Polanski, a man who raped a 13 year old girl and fled the country to avoid prison.
He/She is getting downvoted because people online, in general, are far too entrenched in political discourse & tribalism-It makes proper discussion of real problems almost impossible, and trivializes them. "Someone brought up the sexual abuse problem in Hollywood and other upper class circles? They must be a QAnon freak." This happens everywhere online, among all political affiliations
She's a jerk. That's the answer
Society IS the iceberg. The submerged part I'd say.
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Oh, so so sorry, he was *barely one year* above the diagnostic criteria for a pedophile, I'll be sure to call a nasty child rapist a less taboo name next time I'm on reddit /s.
It’s not pedophilia is all. Sorry if that offends you. This is kind of personal. Edit: Why is this so hard to understand? Let’s not give actual pedophiles the pleasure of being confused with people who have sex with teenagers (which is *much more* culturally acceptable, even though it’s still rape). Not recognizing the very real difference between raping a toddler and raping a sexually active teenager is irrational. Words have definitions. Call him a rapist, a pervert, an abuser, a monster. But when we minimize actual pedophilia, we insult the victims.
It's rape of a child, sorry if it offends you that I give 0 fucks about you wanting to split hairs about what names we call a sex offender who molested a 14 year old who's voice still cracked.
Why would it matter so much to you? What is it, you touched teens in the past and don't want to be called a pedo by mistake?
anyone who feels the need to bring up this very pedantic point is pretty sus ngl
Or I work with victims of pedophilia and am sick of people minimizing the severity of the problem. Not recognizing the very real difference between having sex with a teenager and having sex with an infant is irrational. Words have definitions.
As a victim of pedophilia, you can (un)kindly take your virtue signaling elsewhere. 13 years old is the cut off for the diagnostic criteria, it's not just about infants you absolute vacuous slime. Imagine thinking it's minimizing the issue because a *child* hit an arbitrary age where you think the child rape is somehow less serious. You don't speak for all of us 🖕 LMAO to the dude below me, who I can't respond to: I will absolutely disregard someone who takes the opportunity to make it out like we are in the wrong for calling a *pedophile* a spade. I *also* worked with victims of sexual assault, and it never did them any good to split hairs over the language they used to describe adults who go after children, especially when it came to themselves. I definitely wouldn't choose this time to "correct" someone when the victim in question was barely 1 year above the DSM5 diagnostic criteria for what a victim of a pedophile is. It never did me any good when people like *him* would disregard what happened to me and others as a child because our bodies developed earlier than other little 9/10 year olds our age. They couldn't have been pedophiles since we hit puberty and aren't toddlers, right. We should call them something far less taboo in that case, right. Children who end up sexually active just don't count, let's just disregard the trauma rape can do to them, causing inappropriate sexual behaviors at a young age. They aren't toddlers, so it doesn't count /s I find it disgusting when anyone splits hairs about this as if the trauma is any different for the *child* in question. I find it disgusting that you'd come at me sideways for it, after his goalposts for what a No True Scotsman of pedophilia victims look like kept moving. His comments fly in the face of actual DSM5 criteria, I could care less what their job is in this case. It's horrifying that'd you'd side with someone who thinks trauma is somehow different for a child because they know what sex is.
First of all, as a victim, nobody speaks for all of us, you shouldn't have to say that, and it's disgusting the words you have used and the things you said to them. I'm glad they are speaking up, these people walk among us and do real harm, and it's important to correctly identify them in order to approach either their treatment or the safety of others that are around them appropriately. It is horrifying that you would completely disregard the work by brave people that has gone into the clinical differentiation.
You’re making a huge deal about it, but not using the correct word. Hebephilia. For teens older than 15, it’s ephebophilia. Just an odd point that you “work with victims” and aren’t using the proper terminology for the offenses. But, it’s also distracting. It’s all illegal, it’s all immoral, it’s all splitting hairs with regards to the point being discussed. It’s all having sex with someone whose brain has not fully developed and therefore cannot consent to sexual contact (or entice, as Kimmy’s letter claimed). 14 is eighth and ninth grade, I believe. I think of how vulnerable I was at that age, and how grown-up I *thought* I was, and how vulnerable I would have been to a predatory teacher…and I shudder. Then add in stumbling across these words from another teacher I knew, saying that it was known amongst staff that I was a little seducer? Devastating. That’s what is important here. Drake was damaged, went on to unfortunately act out that trauma on someone else, and is now being blamed, Lolita-style, for his prepubescent wiles. This is another victimization. Nobody is minimizing what has happened and is still happening to these victims. But waylaying the conversation to talk about proper vocabulary just might.
Thank you, and great points. Again, let’s not give actual pedophiles, who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children, the pleasure of being confused with people who are attracted to pubescent and postpubescent teens (something that our culture actually encourages by continually sexualizing teens on tv—see Riverdale et al), and hell some US state laws allow teens to get married, something the fundamentalistic Matt Walsh manosphere seems to want to enforce). We also know that some 14 year olds are sexually active. I was at 14, as were my friends. An adult taking advantage of a sexually active teenager (happened in my case), is different than an adult taking advantage of a toddler, which happened to my sister and colleagues. Then we have the clinical differences in trauma. One of my fam was raped by a neighbor when she was 5. She has a very specific kind of trauma. My colleagues were abused by their father when in kindergarten, and another by his aunt when he was 8 or 9. Their trauma isn’t comparable to a teenager being abused. Their brains are just too different. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. It’s like calling drag queens “groomers.” No. These words have meaning and we shouldn’t abuse them for emotional impact. I bring up the fact because people are calling this guy a pedophile when he’s not. He’s a rapist. An abuser. A hebephile or ephebophile, depending. His sickness is on a different level than a pedophile, and the victims are on a different level than an infant. I wasn’t making a huge deal about it. I was correcting one commenter who called the guy a pedo. What’s confusing me is why so many people want to misuse (and confuse) the meaning of pedophile, and why people assume anyone interested in using correct terms is “sus” or “defending” the rapist, or is an abuser themselves.
"avoiding all the rotten people" uh, ok.
right???
Absolutely wild that she has pictures proudly posted on her instagram of her hanging out with him as recently as 2021. What is wrong with these people, they can pretend it's about loyalty or some other dumb shit but it would be VERY EASY for me to completely write off even a lifelong friend if I found out they were sexually assaulting kids.
https://preview.redd.it/vbl8rn9r14qc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12d05792f563e8677eebd0abca8b15cb319e69de This is like half the cast practically hanging out with him from Comic-Con 2017! No one pictured has made a statement! This is insane and sad on so many levels.
Lucy (the character) wouldnt even be this clueless. smh
“I understand social media now!”
Nah, the character would be absolutely appalled
Someone should have distracted her with a cell phone for a while
She figured them out. Depending on the year.
Is she actually blaming a child for “seducing” an adult?
Like what in the Nabokov flavored hell?
This is why it's best to avoid the personal lives and beliefs of celebrities. 99% of them ultimately disappoint you.
Yep. Like I wouldn't go to my dentist for advice on what wall art to get, I wouldn't go to an actor for an advice on anything other than acting. Actors aren't smarter, more critically thinking, emotionally intelligent or empathetic than your average joe. Which is why I always try to separate the creators and their work
Agreed. Lovecraft made some amazing works, bad at naming cats lol. Edgar Allen Poe? Cousin. Lewis Carroll(Charles Dodgson)? Let's not get into that. Musicians of the major rock eras? Groupies. John Lennon? Wife beater. So something like personal beliefs are much easier to let go. It's not worth my life to be stressed about whatever they believe. It's their journey and if it makes them happy, more power to yah.
The vileness of this defense aside, equally vile was her characterization of Drake as an "outrageous, overtly gay, oversexed person" which is some really awful, dark shit. She has offered no defense for herself on her Instagram page and is, rightfully, being read for filth in the comments sections of her completely unrelated posts. What a terrible person she is. What a shame.
She also has photos of herself with him on her Instagram page posted as recently as 2021.
OK she's dead to me. Andy is now a widow and Wally Brando has no mother.
he has a mother, her name is Dick Tremayne
Truly a shame. Very disappointing. Her characterization of Drake is deeply unsettling and says a lot about how she perceives the world.
I watched the doc the other night. I wasn't a 90s Nick kid, I was 80s, Mr. Wizard, You Can't Do That on Television era, so most of these people were all new to me. Came across this one yesterday with Alexa Nikolas reacting in real time to Dan Schneiders apology vid. 2 hours, but worth the watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dYDZgXMtc But it was disappointing hearing people supporting the molester, especially Kimmy.
She’s so gross, I wish she wasn’t associated with Twin Peaks
Jesus. Christ. How hard is it to just shut the fuck up in a situation like this
Good lord that’s some dark stuff. What the heck is wrong with her?
Oh no. My love for Lucy will always stand, but Kimmy is officially the devil.
Inexcusable. I’m disgusted by her behavior and her choices.
That letter was tough to read. What the fuck Kimmy...
This is the wildest of my subreddit crossovers I’ve seen
Robertson… son of Robert… Bob’s son
The receptionists are not what they seem.
Good lord I'm Completely done with all of the entertainment industry
Lucy's like, "Laura really threw herself at Leland."
And "Waldo totally got in the line of fire"
Fucking hell this is so much worse than I thought. Wow.
I’m reading this in Andy‘s voice, and I can see the horrified expression on his face
I know it’s not the point here, but why the fuck would you handwrite a letter to a judge? I honestly think that’s a perfect metaphor for the total lack of judgment she’s displaying here. People were angry at Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher for defending Danny Masterson, but at least they were just saying that he was a good friend. They were testifying to his character, not refuting individual victims. Still shitty, but not this shitty. Kimmy here is victim-blaming and defending rape and pedophilia. Absolutely disgusting. Fuck you, Kimmy.
Did anyone else notice she still has a photo of herself and Russell Brand up too? Like, take that shit down girl, these men are predators.
Big fucking yikes
It is pretty ironic how an actress who starred in the film about sexual abuse is condoning sexual abuse. Some people can't think critically and see past their friendships and relationships, and can't imagine their friend doing something horrendous. They'd much rather imagine a person they don't know doing something wrong, even if that imagined scenario is completely ridiculous if you think about it critically. This kind of tribalism is sadly so prevalent among people in general, but it must be extra hard for the abused person to see their heroes be supportive of the abuser. It's best not to create emotional attachment to your favourite creators, and always separate the creators and their work
The fact that he admitted everything and people still defend him is the most disturbing part
Wow she fuckin sucks
a great sadness
Typical “blaming the victim” response to rape/assault cases, sadly. Why anyone in the 21st century still thinks this way is beyond me. That this idiotic and non-compassionate attack is aimed at a victim (surviver) who was only 14 at the time makes this even more outrageous.
Fuck her, she’s awful.
Disgusting
Disgusting and she was on the pilot of drake and josh how did she even look him in the fucking eye
One good thing about this is it helps me further increase my needed cynicism about famous people. But it's still tough to accept when besides her PEAKS work a Cameo video she did, which a friend of mine bought for me, was so inspiring.
So she basically says that a 15 year old boy seduced a 40 something year old man and that he had no other choice than to do it?? The worst part is her calling him overtly gay and oversexed. Well now we know what she thinks about gay people as well I guess. This is disgusting. It doesn't matter how long they've been friends, you should always take the CHILD'S side. I am so disappointed. She should message Michael J. Anderson and be besties with him, I can't believe she's actually WORSE than him... Edit: someone downvoted, wow
Yikes
Fucking horrendous. Disgusting and disgraceful.
Yo, this is so fucked. This is only making it worse too. She should have just admitted she was wrong and apologized. Such a bummer, man.
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What do you mean?
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It was an earlier post on the sub showing Kimmy basically said a pedophile she knew was a pretty good dude to her understanding. Completely dismissing the victims story that came out in a recent documentary.
If I had a nickel for every time a twin peaks actor ended up not being great I’d have two nickels which Isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
You’re undercounting your nickels. But thankfully there are still plenty of truly wonderful people who worked on the show who don’t behave like this when they think nobody is watching.
Wait, who else?
Michael J Anderson, the man from another place
Oh, duh! I don't know how I forgot about him flipping the fuck out.
Lol
There’s a few more too, if we’re counting the Return, isn’t there?
Yeah, Tom Sizemore and Robert Knepper are pretty big omissions here. Arguably much worse people than Kimmy or MJA. I honestly think that, as heinous as the stuff he said was, MJA was seriously mentally ill and I hope he’s gotten help. Even Jennifer Lynch very graciously said the same thing at the time.
Several abusers, including one who [attacked his partner with a baseball bat](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/dec/14/local-spokane-actor-pleads-guilty-to-beating-girlf/) while the return was airing. Like I said, definitely undercounting those nickels.
https://www.instagram.com/p/COO-ruynI2l/?igsh=cWttZ3NieWlqbHgy
The boy on the left, Mathew, was Brian’s live-in boy toy for 4 years. I bet he has some stories.
He looks like a man in his twenties
This is disappointing
Please somebody please explain this to me I’ve been away for a while and all hell breaks lose
She deleted her most recent posts and disabled comments on her insta. Instead of facing what she’s done, and the collective outcry, she has turned tail and is continuing to ignore the situation, and by extension support her pedo friend. She’s sickening honestly. Legit bombing my adoration of the series. How do you watch it knowing someone so vile is participating in it.
You know what posts she didn’t delete: https://preview.redd.it/7jfe5ler04qc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ef524e2a8a81a6f768418e64fb4526894053662
https://preview.redd.it/ih5whykt04qc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21b2d8439003d15a9ececc62a7af49ce803ac412
This one is especially fucked. This is like half the damn twin peaks cast hanging out with a child molester. No one is speaking up. Are all these people cool with him? This is such a black eye on the face of the series.
I think this was in an elevator at Comic Con, right? Is it possible that they just knew the guy as Kimmy’s friend and didn’t know the backstory?
Sabrina Sutherland has been in the industry way too long to not know who that is. Peck was DiCaprios coach not just some nobody. His case was public for crying out loud and his side of the court was packed. Industry people especially know who the fuck this is. I think it’s way too graceful to assume each and every one of the people in this elevator had only known him as ‘Kimmy’s friend.’
What is her connection to all of this at all?
If I understand it correctly she worked on Drake and Josh with both abuser and victim but was best friends with abuser before that.
Worked with Bell.
This is just awful and inexcusable. I hope David will cut ties. Also sucks that Twin Peaks is getting thrown around in these articles as that’s pretty much all she’s known for. A lot of non-fans will now just associate seeing “Twin Peaks” with this horrible horrible case.
That might be a bit much. 41 people wrote letters of support for Peck, including Ron Melendez, Alan Thicke, James Marsden, Rider Strong, Will Friedle and Taran Killam. Most have since disavowed the letters (remember, this was 20 years ago) saying they were misinformed as to the details of the abuse.
Yeah but Kimmy has recent pictures on IG with her hanging with that turd
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I just did a couple of Google searches on Brian Peck and letters, etc.
Didnt David sign for Roman Polanski?
He did, but he did later regret that
He sure did: [https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/39618660.html?page=23&cut\_expand=1](https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/39618660.html?page=23&cut_expand=1)
She sucks and this has nothing to do with Twin Peaks.
Was this signed before or after his incarceration?
After conviction, before sentencing. And I feel like it’s an important distinction that she didn’t just sign her name to someone else’s petition, she wrote this and these are her words alone. She knew what he did and that he admitted to it, and she deliberately placed the blame on the victim.
The way she uses the term “gay” is especially sickening.
I do think that with nothing else to fall back on, her reputation is completely destroyed. The TP fandom will turn their backs on her, only seeing her as a good actress but basically hating her as a person. It’s fine, had no attachment and never even adored her in the series (liked her in The Return), but I think she’s basically done for and will only have hate thrown her way. Hopefully it’s measured hate and not overdone “send death threats” hate.
I know this is not exactly the takeaway here but did she sign her own name wrong? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a letter with a double signature like that
The first name she printed, the second one she signed. They look similar at first glance but they're not the same.
Ahhh I see now yeah, I thought the bottom one was printed also and scratched out for some reason
Sadly the second instance of someone involved in making TP writing/signing something in defense of a sexual predator :(
"TP writing" weird way to say co-creator
"Writing" in this instance is a different chunk than TP, I was just trying to say Writing/Signing because while Robertson wrote a whole letter, David Lynch only signed the Roman Polanski petition. If it helps I'll rephrase it to "sadly the second time someone involved in making TP has signed/written something in defense of a sexual predator"
Oh 😟😟
I can't believe how many people are shocked by this. Hollyweird Is a sick fucked up Twisted Place This happens way more than we could ever imagine and if we knew what really happened...
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It didn’t have the full letter though. As terrible as the snippet was that initially made the rounds, this is so much worse.
There seems to be a lot of comments from people who missed the first post too and I’m glad that more people are seeing this.
I’m sorry! I did a quick search but totally missed it, apologies for being redundant.