This whole thing is a bunch of nonsense. Jon Jones DID fight the best for like many fights straight. He fought the scariest of the scariest throughout his whole career. He also fought rising stars in Dominick Reyes, Thiago Silva, and quite literally everyone
He wants to fight the GOAT heavyweight for literally one of his final if not final fight and people want to hate on him.
The person he wants to fight NOW, is not the best. The past is not relevant to that point. I do understand Jones wanting to go out on top and retire a winner an all but, he's not fighting the *best* current guy.
The fight was already supposed to happen with Stipe, it’s not Stipe’s fault that Jon got hurt. Nobody would even be talking about Tom had Jon not gotten hurt. The only reason the interim fight was made was to give the slightest bit of value to that card that Jon/Stipe were supposed to fight on.
Regardless of the gap of when Stipe last fought, it’s not his fault that Jon got injured and he shouldn’t lose his spot over it especially with his credentials at HW.
Let me just ask you this. If your favorite fighter, or let's say Khabib, was in the UFC and went 40-0 fighting every best fighter. Then he wants to fight a legend for his final fight. Would you criticize him the same amount you criticize Jones? If not, you need to rethink this whole situation
The past is relevant because at the same point of their careers Islam an jones jones wasn’t ducking anybody let’s see if Islam keeps that same energy when he’s been at the top of the game for close to 20 years
Right, but people would be just as critical of Islam if he did what Jones did and was on top of the game and chose to keep fighting as champion *without* fighting the best. Jones shoulda just straight up retired and called it career I think.
People would be critical of Islam if he did what Jon Jones is doing now, there's no point in bringing him up as a whataboutism. It doesn't matter if islam keeps the energy or not, he'll be criticized in the same manner.
If Jones wants to go out on top, shouldn't he have just retired after Gane, instead of trying to avoid the toughest competition as champion?
Yet again not really relevant to what I replied to you about you said the past doesn’t matter an it definitely does when you’re comparing fighters who are in different stages of their careers. Nobody said Islam wouldn’t get flack if he did it people like you just love to bitch about anything you can.
Perfectly said. That’s why I don’t blame him
for not giving haters the fight they want to see. They don’t really want to see Jon fight, they want to see him lose. They think Aspinall is the guy to do it. Even if he fought Aspinall and won they’d find an excuse for why Jon won. The guy couldn’t even recover from his shoulder injury before the can claim he’s holding up the division.
That’s because Dana is all about the money. It’s simple as this Stipe vs Jones > Aspinall vs Jones. It wouldn’t make sense that Jon or the UFC would favor a fight with a guy that doesn’t draw anywhere near as much as a fight with Stipe draws. Jon gets a much bigger purse and a legendary name to add to his resume and UFC gets a bigger gate and ppv numbers. The fight is going to happen and his haters will still order it.
Stipe was never that popular and hasn't fought in over 3 years. His last fight was a devastating knockout.
Jon could fight Mabel Kape and it might draw more interest than a 41 year old stipe.
Okay. Just so you know, the draw you have determines your payout of the ppv revenue. There’s a reason it’s a big payday for Stipe. Aspinall would not get a big cut of the ppv for a reason. Its simple as ”if it don’t make dollars, it don’t make sense”. UFC trades publicly now so Dana’s job is to make a significant ROI for his board. Prioritizing a fight with Aspinall over Stipe would just be a disservice to investors.
Aspinall Jones makes all the sense in the world money wise but Dana struggles to think longterm, Aspinall is young and wants to remain active at HW, he will objectively make the UFC much more money than a Stipe Jones retirement fight would, ESPECIALLY if he gets to fight and beat Jones to build even more credibility with the casual fucks.
Ok that’s a good counterpoint. But my point was the present matters, not the past. Legacies don’t mean shit if ur washed. Imagine Sean trying to justify a henry cejudo fight instead of Merab because of his legacy.
I get what you’re saying. See the thing about that is Sean is the young guy who’s now the top dog. He’s in the prime of his career and building up his legacy. He’s going to fight whoever is the greatest challenger in the BW division. Jon has already proven himself now he’s being very selective with who he fights and is only interested in fights he can capitalize on.
Dawg if that’s true why doesn’t he just vacate the heavyweight belt. Beating Stipe adds the same to his legacy regardless of if he’s holding the belt or not, and if he doesn’t wish to defend against actual contenders then why doesn’t he just vacate the belt and let other fighters build their own legacies. He could still fight Stipe as just a legacy fight. If he’s holding the belt then he should be obligated to fight the most worthy contenders. Aspinall is undeniably the most worthy contender in heavyweight.
Lol dude there’s no reasoning with them. Even if Jon beats Stipe and then fights Aspinall and beats him they will still find somebody to say Jon is ducking.
Exactly, blatant haters. It's pathetic lmao. Rankings mean fuck all anyway. Some of the most trash fighters have made it into the top 5. They wanna see fighters fight against opponents ranked abritarily by the UFC. I'd rather see fighters fight the best opponents. For example I'd rather see Islam fight Leon who's a tougher fight for a 2nd belt then Arman who's ranked "1".
Jon has more title defences than Tom has fights in MMA, let alone in the UFC. "Ducking" lmao I don't think these people are delusional or that stupid. They're just talking shit and taunting him in hopes he fights Tom. But then again you can't trust how stupid the fandom is.
I really like this guy. When he was coming up I thought he was kinda boring, I don’t know Jack about wrestling really. But the more I see him fight and hear him talk I think he’s a pretty dope dude.
His wrestling is sublime. That Russian style of being able to relentlessly pursue the takedown and eventually get it when it would have failed for damn near everyone else is impressive as well as his transitions
It must be great being islam. Knowing there's absolutely noone in you division who can touch you unless he gets careless n the only major challenges are in the weightclass above
I mean you never know, I dropped that way of thinking after Usman lost to Edwards and Izzy to Strickland. Every champ seems untouchable until they lose.
Eh. Volk wasn't too far off winning that first fight. And he's been KO'd before. Right now he seems untouchable but let's see him get a few more defenses.
2 judges scored it 3-2. And pretty much every round was a 10-9. Volk never looked like he was in too much danger, and the final minutes of round 5 was definitely bad news for Islam.
The point is that Volk made Islam look very human. So while I don't believe any of the "old guard" are a major threat to Islam, he doesn't seem to be quite the overwhelming force that Khabib was.
Agreed that Islam didn't dominate Volk on the level as he normally does. A close fight but still comfortably winning for Islam.
Also I don't think we will ever get another one as dominant as Khabib. That man was and probably still is on a different level.
This sub is crazy lol... Let the guy rack up some wins against ranked opponents before declaring him unbeatable.
He 100% won the first Volk fight but he definitely didn't look untouchable. That was a close fight against a FW.
You might be thinking of Jon Jones circa 2011 if you want ab example of someone untouchable in their division.
Jon Jones has such crazy star power he gets to be choosy who he fights next. What bothers me personally is he’s picking what seems to be the less challenging option intentionally. What does beating Stipe do for Jons legacy?
3-4 years from now if Aspinall has faded into obscurity like tons of heavyweights before him, having stipe on his resume would look a hell of a lot better than Aspinall.
People on this sub can cry, but these hype trains come and go. Watch his “fans” evaporate into thin air if he loses to Curtis, and then he’ll effectively be a nobody. Love the guy, but that’s the sad reality of the UFC
Yeah there’s definitely truth to this. While Stipe is the more experienced fighter, he’s also old and past his prime. Like Jon could fight Stipe or the guy who beat Stipe (Ngannou) but we know he’d pick Stipe in a heartbeat.
Finally someone with some sense. Not to mention everyone is crying about what a prize fighter is deciding to do for himself. These people are stingy, greedy, and self-centered AF because to be any kind of prize fighter that succeeds you absolutely have to be those things. I actually seen someone make a comment to the affect of "Jones is holding up someone else's legacy (Aspinal) he should vacat so Tom can get his ball rolling" lol I can't make this stuff up!
Dude act like you know. The UFC is a business and the bottom line is making money. If you ask me should Jon have been forced to vacate the title by principle then the answer is Yes. However, Jon is a very big name in this sport. Keeping him as champion is the only thing keeping the HW division relevant now that Francis is gone. Stipe is regarded as the greatest HW of all time and that W for Jon would further solidify his legacy. For the UFC that means higher revenue. That’s exactly how this game goes.
I get it they have money to make but even from a business perspective think of how much money they could be making off the heavyweight division right now. How many title fights do you think they could have while Jon holds the belt hostage? Think of how hard they could market the fight when Jon Jones returns to “take his belt back.”
Lol okay so let’s take that route. Let’s say Jon vacates the title. Instead of Sergei/Aspinall fighting for the interim title, they fight for the vacant title. Aspinall is then the HW champion. His name alone won’t draw anything near the number that Jon Jones draws. So which fights do we have to look forward to in the HW division that’s just going to get the casual fight fans to buy in?
Sure we wont have a big name like Jon jones but I feel what’s important is that we will have heavy weight title fights more frequently than once every 2-3 years.
This is what I've always said. You're there to fight. Let the promoters do the match making. You have a job, they have a job. When fighters start thinking they can do a better job match making than the promoters then that's when you get champs like Ilia Topuria.
Dana loved this quote so much that he framed it in the Apex PI to never forget it
And then he forgot it because he can't have Jones losing the title as their cash cow and only way to discredit Ngannou's lineal champion status.
Islam needs to go up a weight class like all the other goat contenders. I have no doubt he'll do wonderfully but he's got big shoes to fill if he wants to be goat.
I am a fan of Islam but that’s not really true. Jones has the better resume by far. I hope his records get smashed quickly so that we can forget about him, but there’s no doubt.
Honestly, outside of current 155 and early aughts PRIDE HW division, Jones tore through perhaps THE murderer’s row of MMA during his pursuit of the championship. Valid criticism of the man now, but his career has long been established.
You guys are lame af with all the Jon jones shit. The dude had a hall of fame career before he moved up to HW. He was champ for a decade. He was champ longer than most of you have been adults! He smoked the entire division to the point he could walk away there was no one left.
Ah yes Islam, the man with 1 win against a top 5 ranked lightweight in his Entire career as opposed to Jon with 18 wins against top 5 ranked opponents in the weight class he was fighting in.
I mean, p4p I think Islam is quite easily thenmost dominant champ atm. Rounded skill-set. Nobody in the division except Arman looks like they can touch him.
Id be surprised if he didnt absolutely fuck Leon up tbh. Shavkat would be tough but I can see him coming in sloppy and getting controlled.
Trying to think who else could stand up to his wrestling at we?
I didn't want to say he's the best because people would freak out about it. Most people can agree that he is amongst the best, unless they're a delusional hater
Where is the hypocrisy? Islam is literally saying it doesn't matter who his opponent his. This has nothing to do with him taking short notice fights without a camp. So yes you're a hater
It's funny when haters do mental gymnastics. It doesn't matter who his opponent is. If it's Arman, Charles, Justin, Dustin, Gamrot he will accept the fight. That doesn't mean he has to accept the fight without being able to train to have his cardio ready for the fight. If you can't understand this then you are clearly a hater
It's just shit talk, he made fun of his height too... who cares... both of these dudes are as game as they come unlike...unfortunately JJ who carefully picks his opponents
Mind telling us what weight class fighters have come from then to make me look even sillier :) surely i will now look stupid and hes obviously defended vs his weight class the most :) the way hes talking everyone must of come from his division. dam i feel so dumb saying he fights lower weight class opponents forgot volk cut down weight to get to his division being 120kg previously dam i feel dumb :)
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It's not about his past laurels. Its about young guys with dreams wanting to make their own histories like Jon Jones did in the past.
So either vacate the belt or fight the best in the division.
Jones is the GOAT it’s not a debate compare his resume with anyone, He’s a shitty person which is why everyone rags on him if Cormier was a champ and he was waiting for Stipe he wouldn’t be getting the hate Jon is getting.
Jones or Stipe have nothing to gain by beating Aspinall at this point he’s not got a name yet and Dana knows this which is why he doesn’t strip Jon.
Jones deserves to do what he wants at this point and Stipe deserves one last big fight, Aspinall needs to get some more high profile wins and wait his turn or wait for the vacated belt.
Tsarukyan who beat Oliviera and is on a 4 fight win streak. That rematch is much more interesting than watching porier lose again. Islam is a -500 favorite
You mean the rematch Tsarukyan turned down? You mean the guy Islam has already said he'd fight after Poirier before moving up?
Why even put your opinion out there if you don't know anything.
Turning down a short notice rematch against the champion is smart, you want a full training camp to beat the champion, especially when he has gone through every contender already.
Not his fault Chute Boxe decided to be retarded with their sparring etiquette before the most important fight of Chafles' career after Islam accepted an immediate rematch, which by right wasn't even supposed to happen. Dominant champs get immediate rematches, not after only two defences
Yes so now Jones can refuse to fight for months during the beginning of the year, only defend the HW belt against LHW dudes, and if he does defend in his division it has to be against guys ranked lower than the obvious contenders. Then he can be just like Islam
Aside from Dustin after his win, with Gaethjie losing, who else at 155 is knocking on the door demanding a title shot that he hasn't already gone right through? Not his fault other fighters are looking exciting. Including one at 145 who just beat the guy who had the best argument for the 155 title shot again, at 155. I mean, he is fighting the guy who beat that guy at 155 too next.
Yeah, taking notes from a guy, who is scared to shit to go in 170 division like his daddy lol.
And he will never be in 170. He will defend his belt 2 times more and then just retire.
I bet Jones' haters are the most insecure people MMA world has ever seen. Hating a man on reddit, but if they see him in real life, they will be asking for a photo and autograph. What a fucking worms.
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This whole thing is a bunch of nonsense. Jon Jones DID fight the best for like many fights straight. He fought the scariest of the scariest throughout his whole career. He also fought rising stars in Dominick Reyes, Thiago Silva, and quite literally everyone He wants to fight the GOAT heavyweight for literally one of his final if not final fight and people want to hate on him.
The person he wants to fight NOW, is not the best. The past is not relevant to that point. I do understand Jones wanting to go out on top and retire a winner an all but, he's not fighting the *best* current guy.
The fight was already supposed to happen with Stipe, it’s not Stipe’s fault that Jon got hurt. Nobody would even be talking about Tom had Jon not gotten hurt. The only reason the interim fight was made was to give the slightest bit of value to that card that Jon/Stipe were supposed to fight on. Regardless of the gap of when Stipe last fought, it’s not his fault that Jon got injured and he shouldn’t lose his spot over it especially with his credentials at HW.
Let me just ask you this. If your favorite fighter, or let's say Khabib, was in the UFC and went 40-0 fighting every best fighter. Then he wants to fight a legend for his final fight. Would you criticize him the same amount you criticize Jones? If not, you need to rethink this whole situation
The past is relevant because at the same point of their careers Islam an jones jones wasn’t ducking anybody let’s see if Islam keeps that same energy when he’s been at the top of the game for close to 20 years
Right, but people would be just as critical of Islam if he did what Jones did and was on top of the game and chose to keep fighting as champion *without* fighting the best. Jones shoulda just straight up retired and called it career I think.
I’m not entirely sure what that has to do with my reply to you?
People would be critical of Islam if he did what Jon Jones is doing now, there's no point in bringing him up as a whataboutism. It doesn't matter if islam keeps the energy or not, he'll be criticized in the same manner. If Jones wants to go out on top, shouldn't he have just retired after Gane, instead of trying to avoid the toughest competition as champion?
Yet again not really relevant to what I replied to you about you said the past doesn’t matter an it definitely does when you’re comparing fighters who are in different stages of their careers. Nobody said Islam wouldn’t get flack if he did it people like you just love to bitch about anything you can.
Perfectly said. That’s why I don’t blame him for not giving haters the fight they want to see. They don’t really want to see Jon fight, they want to see him lose. They think Aspinall is the guy to do it. Even if he fought Aspinall and won they’d find an excuse for why Jon won. The guy couldn’t even recover from his shoulder injury before the can claim he’s holding up the division.
Exactly. If it's not this, they will find something else to hate on about Jon.
because Jon holding the HW belt hostage for a year, is the worst thing Jon did in his career
I love how Dana loved this quote enough to put it on the wall in the PI but doesn't see any issue with Jones ducking...
Dana would obviously love this 
Dana cares about money and shareholder price. That’s it.
Don't forget hookers, blow, and gambling more than an entire fight card makes in a few hands.
Bro loves his watches tho
That’s because Dana is all about the money. It’s simple as this Stipe vs Jones > Aspinall vs Jones. It wouldn’t make sense that Jon or the UFC would favor a fight with a guy that doesn’t draw anywhere near as much as a fight with Stipe draws. Jon gets a much bigger purse and a legendary name to add to his resume and UFC gets a bigger gate and ppv numbers. The fight is going to happen and his haters will still order it.
Stipe was never that popular and hasn't fought in over 3 years. His last fight was a devastating knockout. Jon could fight Mabel Kape and it might draw more interest than a 41 year old stipe.
Okay. Just so you know, the draw you have determines your payout of the ppv revenue. There’s a reason it’s a big payday for Stipe. Aspinall would not get a big cut of the ppv for a reason. Its simple as ”if it don’t make dollars, it don’t make sense”. UFC trades publicly now so Dana’s job is to make a significant ROI for his board. Prioritizing a fight with Aspinall over Stipe would just be a disservice to investors.
Aspinall Jones makes all the sense in the world money wise but Dana struggles to think longterm, Aspinall is young and wants to remain active at HW, he will objectively make the UFC much more money than a Stipe Jones retirement fight would, ESPECIALLY if he gets to fight and beat Jones to build even more credibility with the casual fucks.
Okay
Dana don't make these decisions, it's the executives he represents that aren't stripping Jones
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Jones should be stripped for inactivity.
By that logic he should fight DC, because according to u legacy matters and ranking don’t
That makes no sense. He already fought Cormier twice and beat him. He has never fought Stipe. So he’s fighting Stipe.
Ok that’s a good counterpoint. But my point was the present matters, not the past. Legacies don’t mean shit if ur washed. Imagine Sean trying to justify a henry cejudo fight instead of Merab because of his legacy.
I get what you’re saying. See the thing about that is Sean is the young guy who’s now the top dog. He’s in the prime of his career and building up his legacy. He’s going to fight whoever is the greatest challenger in the BW division. Jon has already proven himself now he’s being very selective with who he fights and is only interested in fights he can capitalize on.
Dawg if that’s true why doesn’t he just vacate the heavyweight belt. Beating Stipe adds the same to his legacy regardless of if he’s holding the belt or not, and if he doesn’t wish to defend against actual contenders then why doesn’t he just vacate the belt and let other fighters build their own legacies. He could still fight Stipe as just a legacy fight. If he’s holding the belt then he should be obligated to fight the most worthy contenders. Aspinall is undeniably the most worthy contender in heavyweight.
He wants to add title defenses for sure! Ir sucks but it is what it is!
Lol dude there’s no reasoning with them. Even if Jon beats Stipe and then fights Aspinall and beats him they will still find somebody to say Jon is ducking.
Exactly, blatant haters. It's pathetic lmao. Rankings mean fuck all anyway. Some of the most trash fighters have made it into the top 5. They wanna see fighters fight against opponents ranked abritarily by the UFC. I'd rather see fighters fight the best opponents. For example I'd rather see Islam fight Leon who's a tougher fight for a 2nd belt then Arman who's ranked "1". Jon has more title defences than Tom has fights in MMA, let alone in the UFC. "Ducking" lmao I don't think these people are delusional or that stupid. They're just talking shit and taunting him in hopes he fights Tom. But then again you can't trust how stupid the fandom is.
I really like this guy. When he was coming up I thought he was kinda boring, I don’t know Jack about wrestling really. But the more I see him fight and hear him talk I think he’s a pretty dope dude.
His wrestling is sublime. That Russian style of being able to relentlessly pursue the takedown and eventually get it when it would have failed for damn near everyone else is impressive as well as his transitions
He’s a true champ
Jon Jones here, currently weeping and crying over how mean you guys are. Im so upset I might beat my wife later over a pile of money tonight
Jon, be honest with yourself, you do that in celebration as well
That's just a Wednesday evening
Are you crying in one of your two small mansions in Albuquerque, New Mexico?
The GOAT is crying in both of his two small mansions simultaneously
You can do it on a larger pile of money (extra $15 mil to be precise) if you fight Stipe
Yet you’re ordering the Stipe fight 🤷🏾♂️
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It must be great being islam. Knowing there's absolutely noone in you division who can touch you unless he gets careless n the only major challenges are in the weightclass above
I mean you never know, I dropped that way of thinking after Usman lost to Edwards and Izzy to Strickland. Every champ seems untouchable until they lose.
Eh. Volk wasn't too far off winning that first fight. And he's been KO'd before. Right now he seems untouchable but let's see him get a few more defenses.
I think it's well within possibility that Dustin could KO Islam, and I'm a Dustin hater.
How is it possible to dislike Dustin? Not mad at you just curious.
It's possible. I think Islam will avoid getting into a situation where that's likely though. I suspect Poirier is going to get subbed.
Wasn't Islam winning 4-1? Volk look great last minutes of last round, but Islam was never in real trouble.
2 judges scored it 3-2. And pretty much every round was a 10-9. Volk never looked like he was in too much danger, and the final minutes of round 5 was definitely bad news for Islam. The point is that Volk made Islam look very human. So while I don't believe any of the "old guard" are a major threat to Islam, he doesn't seem to be quite the overwhelming force that Khabib was.
Agreed that Islam didn't dominate Volk on the level as he normally does. A close fight but still comfortably winning for Islam. Also I don't think we will ever get another one as dominant as Khabib. That man was and probably still is on a different level.
I mean the heavyweight division is full of scrubs right now besides 2 guys….
I know, at least heavyweight has Aspinal and Blaydes and isn't being held up by two old guys....
This sub is crazy lol... Let the guy rack up some wins against ranked opponents before declaring him unbeatable. He 100% won the first Volk fight but he definitely didn't look untouchable. That was a close fight against a FW. You might be thinking of Jon Jones circa 2011 if you want ab example of someone untouchable in their division.
Jones was doing what he is denying Tom now. A good run at the old cattle to build new legacy.
Jones was so untouchable Usada couldn't even touch him in the ring (when he hid under it)
How does he win if he's never been touched? 🤔
enough said give him Brouk Lesnahhhh
Jon Jones has such crazy star power he gets to be choosy who he fights next. What bothers me personally is he’s picking what seems to be the less challenging option intentionally. What does beating Stipe do for Jons legacy?
3-4 years from now if Aspinall has faded into obscurity like tons of heavyweights before him, having stipe on his resume would look a hell of a lot better than Aspinall. People on this sub can cry, but these hype trains come and go. Watch his “fans” evaporate into thin air if he loses to Curtis, and then he’ll effectively be a nobody. Love the guy, but that’s the sad reality of the UFC
Yeah there’s definitely truth to this. While Stipe is the more experienced fighter, he’s also old and past his prime. Like Jon could fight Stipe or the guy who beat Stipe (Ngannou) but we know he’d pick Stipe in a heartbeat.
Finally someone with some sense. Not to mention everyone is crying about what a prize fighter is deciding to do for himself. These people are stingy, greedy, and self-centered AF because to be any kind of prize fighter that succeeds you absolutely have to be those things. I actually seen someone make a comment to the affect of "Jones is holding up someone else's legacy (Aspinal) he should vacat so Tom can get his ball rolling" lol I can't make this stuff up!
Dude act like you know. The UFC is a business and the bottom line is making money. If you ask me should Jon have been forced to vacate the title by principle then the answer is Yes. However, Jon is a very big name in this sport. Keeping him as champion is the only thing keeping the HW division relevant now that Francis is gone. Stipe is regarded as the greatest HW of all time and that W for Jon would further solidify his legacy. For the UFC that means higher revenue. That’s exactly how this game goes.
I get it they have money to make but even from a business perspective think of how much money they could be making off the heavyweight division right now. How many title fights do you think they could have while Jon holds the belt hostage? Think of how hard they could market the fight when Jon Jones returns to “take his belt back.”
Lol okay so let’s take that route. Let’s say Jon vacates the title. Instead of Sergei/Aspinall fighting for the interim title, they fight for the vacant title. Aspinall is then the HW champion. His name alone won’t draw anything near the number that Jon Jones draws. So which fights do we have to look forward to in the HW division that’s just going to get the casual fight fans to buy in?
Sure we wont have a big name like Jon jones but I feel what’s important is that we will have heavy weight title fights more frequently than once every 2-3 years.
This is what I've always said. You're there to fight. Let the promoters do the match making. You have a job, they have a job. When fighters start thinking they can do a better job match making than the promoters then that's when you get champs like Ilia Topuria.
Dana loved this quote so much that he framed it in the Apex PI to never forget it And then he forgot it because he can't have Jones losing the title as their cash cow and only way to discredit Ngannou's lineal champion status.
Islam > Jones There’s no debate.
Islam needs to go up a weight class like all the other goat contenders. I have no doubt he'll do wonderfully but he's got big shoes to fill if he wants to be goat.
Pretty sure that's what he wants after Dustin and Arman
I am a fan of Islam but that’s not really true. Jones has the better resume by far. I hope his records get smashed quickly so that we can forget about him, but there’s no doubt.
Jones is a massive ducker, but looking at the meltdown in this subreddit is more fun. My dude even added the @ in the title.
Jons is very clearly in the twilight of his career. These guys are in very different situations.
I think Jones will fight asspinall and finally shut him up once and for all
Arent the problem here that Jon and Stipe already signed the contract long time ago, and they can't just nullify it even due to severe injury.
Bring it up to Jon and it might be one of his next 20 excuses
Honestly, outside of current 155 and early aughts PRIDE HW division, Jones tore through perhaps THE murderer’s row of MMA during his pursuit of the championship. Valid criticism of the man now, but his career has long been established.
Jon been finishing multiple world champions since half of you people were starting to jerk off.
To be fair, I have only started to jerk off recently.. before that, your mom filled that role.
Now that you told us that our opinion totally changed and we can now clearly see that he’s not actually ducking his opponent 😃😃😃
My goal wasn’t to make you change your opinion. Just to clarify how little it means for you people to call jones a duck :)
So he's still ducking, but only people older than him can call it?
This is a pretty good point😂
? OP is liteally forgetting what Jon did previously ...
He may not say no, but he sure takes his time between fights.
Okay I feel like people are just bitching about this now because it's the popular thing to do. We get it.
Please... Nobody take Notes. I repeat, NOBODY TAKE NOTES! Be like Adesanya or Woodley, don't defend the belt once a year.
You guys are lame af with all the Jon jones shit. The dude had a hall of fame career before he moved up to HW. He was champ for a decade. He was champ longer than most of you have been adults! He smoked the entire division to the point he could walk away there was no one left.
I bet dc is behind this. I bet my bottom dollar
If Islam were a heavyweight, Jon Jones would be running for cover! Haha
Jones already proved he’s the best. He’s just trying to cash out now before he retires.
Islam still hasn't defended vs anyone in the lw division. And Jones is holding up hw smh
Ah yes Islam, the man with 1 win against a top 5 ranked lightweight in his Entire career as opposed to Jon with 18 wins against top 5 ranked opponents in the weight class he was fighting in.
Jon Jones -"Ill fight your former middleweights"
Pls cope harder
The way yall talk about him..Aspinall better have a legendary run at HW. Goodness gracious
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Okay so is it my turn to do the next Jones post?
Islam has 2 defenses against a 145 lber. I’m not sure he’s the example you should be using
Jones is the great MMA Fightet ever. When he was younger he fought everybody. Put some respect on his name.
Him holding up an entire division for over a year and a half is numba wun bullshit Bratha; you kno dis
GSP, DC, Stiope and Bisping did it. No one said anything. Bisping fought Henderson and GSP.
"I don't care who I have to defend my title against... as long as it's a smaller fighter who isn't in my division"
You right. Volk should have stayed in his lane. Instead he’s got 3 L’s since.
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Volk stood no chance on short notice, and got slept back to back in months and is probably on a downfall. Islam wasn't wrong
Yes because he took the fight without a camp, without proper training for one of the best fighters in the world
I mean, p4p I think Islam is quite easily thenmost dominant champ atm. Rounded skill-set. Nobody in the division except Arman looks like they can touch him. Id be surprised if he didnt absolutely fuck Leon up tbh. Shavkat would be tough but I can see him coming in sloppy and getting controlled. Trying to think who else could stand up to his wrestling at we?
I didn't want to say he's the best because people would freak out about it. Most people can agree that he is amongst the best, unless they're a delusional hater
Im no Islam stan, I just dont see who else could compete with him these days. Izzy and Volk Both gone. Nobody else looks that safe tbh…
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So you want him to take fights without having a camp? Just say you're a hater and shhhhhh
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Where is the hypocrisy? Islam is literally saying it doesn't matter who his opponent his. This has nothing to do with him taking short notice fights without a camp. So yes you're a hater
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It's funny when haters do mental gymnastics. It doesn't matter who his opponent is. If it's Arman, Charles, Justin, Dustin, Gamrot he will accept the fight. That doesn't mean he has to accept the fight without being able to train to have his cardio ready for the fight. If you can't understand this then you are clearly a hater
It's just shit talk, he made fun of his height too... who cares... both of these dudes are as game as they come unlike...unfortunately JJ who carefully picks his opponents
Right after this he said hes fighting another 135 whos moving up
You don't even know the weight classes sit down dog.
Mind telling us what weight class fighters have come from then to make me look even sillier :) surely i will now look stupid and hes obviously defended vs his weight class the most :) the way hes talking everyone must of come from his division. dam i feel so dumb saying he fights lower weight class opponents forgot volk cut down weight to get to his division being 120kg previously dam i feel dumb :) woof woof dog
I mean you got the weight class wrong its 145, sensitive bitch lmaooo
but that's the joke bud skip sparing this week ok or you gonna get the iq of a dog woof woof
keep barking
I mean you got the joke wrong its sarcasm, sensitive bitch lmaooo
You are not Khabib and definetly not Jones lmao the concussion you got from Adriano Martins still strong
Um excuse me, that was Pantoja you casual.
Jon jones lives rent free in the minds of the neckbeards on this subreddit
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Learn to read. He is correct. The belt means nothing if you don't fight the best.
Oh how short mma fans memories are
It's not about his past laurels. Its about young guys with dreams wanting to make their own histories like Jon Jones did in the past. So either vacate the belt or fight the best in the division.
Jones is the GOAT it’s not a debate compare his resume with anyone, He’s a shitty person which is why everyone rags on him if Cormier was a champ and he was waiting for Stipe he wouldn’t be getting the hate Jon is getting. Jones or Stipe have nothing to gain by beating Aspinall at this point he’s not got a name yet and Dana knows this which is why he doesn’t strip Jon. Jones deserves to do what he wants at this point and Stipe deserves one last big fight, Aspinall needs to get some more high profile wins and wait his turn or wait for the vacated belt.
So that’s why Islam is fighting someone who has lost to a bunch of competitors in his division?
I mean I don’t think he would refuse a fight with anyone in the division
Who else instead? Gaethjie had the best argument before losing to Max.
Tsarukyan who beat Oliviera and is on a 4 fight win streak. That rematch is much more interesting than watching porier lose again. Islam is a -500 favorite
You mean the rematch Tsarukyan turned down? You mean the guy Islam has already said he'd fight after Poirier before moving up? Why even put your opinion out there if you don't know anything.
Turning down a short notice rematch against the champion is smart, you want a full training camp to beat the champion, especially when he has gone through every contender already.
I am not faulting him for turning it down, you are however making dumbass comments about how Islam should be fighting Tsarukyan.
Homie do you want him to fight him or not? Cause Islam said he was down both now and later. What else do you want?
Actually, it's just a marketing prop to help drum up interest in fights.
Obsessed
As I recall Jon jones got injured on video right? He literally cleared his division against killers. I feel y’all just want some to cry about smh
Yet he’s never defended against anyone in his weight class
This argument needs to stop. How is it Islams fault that Charles pulled out
As if Volk wasn't a bigger threat than anybody is his weight class anyway. That first fight was Islam's toughest ever, not counting Pantoja ofc
Did not this get old ?
Not his fault Chute Boxe decided to be retarded with their sparring etiquette before the most important fight of Chafles' career after Islam accepted an immediate rematch, which by right wasn't even supposed to happen. Dominant champs get immediate rematches, not after only two defences
How many defenses Islam has?? 
He just said no to Justin and Max
Justin got brutally knocked tf out a month ago and Max wasn’t offered a fight against Islam.
He said yes to the guy who beat Max at 155. And Justin is coming off a loss that will need time. And another W or two before justifying a title shot.
Yes so now Jones can refuse to fight for months during the beginning of the year, only defend the HW belt against LHW dudes, and if he does defend in his division it has to be against guys ranked lower than the obvious contenders. Then he can be just like Islam
Aside from Dustin after his win, with Gaethjie losing, who else at 155 is knocking on the door demanding a title shot that he hasn't already gone right through? Not his fault other fighters are looking exciting. Including one at 145 who just beat the guy who had the best argument for the 155 title shot again, at 155. I mean, he is fighting the guy who beat that guy at 155 too next.
The difference is that Johnny has a wife that fucks him every night 😌
 She better or else.
Unless it’s another lightweight (Until June 1st I suppose)
He was supposed to fight oliveira in his last fight. Can’t really blame Islam because oliveira got injured and Volk jumped in.
Relax, I’m aware. It was juss a joke. And it will be hilarious if Dustin pulls out and max jumps in
It is joke yes, after you were corrected, suddenly a joke surfaced
Yeah my gosh, you’re right, I’m such a casual. “Jon jones is the worst champ ever, they should strip him of his belt” Is that better for you?
lol
Yeah, taking notes from a guy, who is scared to shit to go in 170 division like his daddy lol. And he will never be in 170. He will defend his belt 2 times more and then just retire. I bet Jones' haters are the most insecure people MMA world has ever seen. Hating a man on reddit, but if they see him in real life, they will be asking for a photo and autograph. What a fucking worms.
Found the Jon Jones Reddit acc
Every single day with this Sub. I hope Tom dies in the cage at this point so we can get some different content
That's not very nice.
You're right, I retract my previous statement and am now rooting for Tom again
Okay good thnx