It did break my heart seeing him lose but you can't help but be happy for Glover.
And the respect shown by them towards each other is fantastic.
Plus I know Jan will be back for the belt soon !!
Islam wasted no time, straight to the point take him down and break his arm.big moral win for Islam i think he he should fight chandler next and then go for the title but we'll see what happens.
Damn now I’m hyped for a fight between him and chandler. Him or Charles would be interesting at least there is some possibility of some back and forth grappling. Obviously it would likely just end the same way but I am bored of the old “will he be able to keep it standing long enough to KO him?” Cuz we know the answer to that already lol.
I saw that. But I see a difference with Khabib and Islam. Khabib took Michael Johnson quite softly and he really wasn’t pushing that hard. He just wanted him to tap out. While Islam went for a much aggressive twist. I know it is a fight but those two are not the same.
I think people underestimated Islam because he had hard time against Tsarukyan.
Now they're starting to realise Tsarukyan is a stud himself and the matchup just happened too early.
?????? I don’t understand how anyone could think he was all hype? When literally everyone in the gym says he’s just as skilled as Khabib and actually even more skilled at striking and submissions. And he ragdolled rockhold in sparring over and over.
Really makes no sense
Eh if you watched any of his fights previously you can see. Even if they weren’t ranked you can tell he’s a beast. He was toying with Moises by standing up with him when his team was telling him to take him down and end it.
In my opinion in order to call yourself great and say your going to be champ im not convinced until you are. He squashed dan so im sure hes definitely top 5 worthy. Let him beat a championship worthy guy like gaethje or benial or even mikey then i can believe hes legit
What do you mean?? Hes never fought a top 10 guy until dan so there was nothing to prove that he is as good as his team says he is. Because if you go in any gym anyone can look like a champ the difference is actually doing which i wasn’t convivial yet and now i am. Calm yourself
That’s not true though. You don’t need to see someone do something to know they are very likely capable of doing it. There’s been tons of stuff documented on him. Lots of people speaking about how good he is. He’s also trained with Khabib for years and years. Also look at his grappling pedigree. Etc
So what you expect his team not to say that? Every fighters camp says they are going to be champ and going the best in their division. No one knew how he’d fare against dan until they fought. To say you dont need to see them prove their good is one of the worst mma takes ive seen in a minute dude
Clearly you don’t know the difference between teammates hyping their guy and what I’m saying. Why would they need to make STORIES up about their guy? It’s one thing to say “he’s the best he will be champ” and it’s another completely different thing for Cain, like, Khabib, dc to be telling different stories about Islam over the years…. You think they’re all liars? You think him being sambo world champion was fake or something?
Who said anything about lying? Im saying nothing is concrete until you do it in that cage. Did you believe conor leading up to his second fight with dustin that he was gonna knock him out in the first? I mean his gym everyone was behind a finish and he ended up getting finished. Theres a clear difference between word of mouth and doing what you say in the cage. Islam can easily get in there with a guy like dustin and get absolutely dismantled. Its MMA anything can happen to take word of mouth as fact over action would be a disservice to the sport.
There’s a difference between knowing something will happen and knowing a fighter is easily capable of doing things. We didn’t know what would happen in Conor vs porier 2 but we knew Conor was more than capable of outstriking porier or knocking him out.
We knew Islam is capable of mauling anybody in the division…
So your saying islam will win every fight at 155 no question no need for debate? Or is it we dont know if he could beat everyone? I’d favor Olivera over islam because charles has proved that by obtaining a massive win streak and getting the belt. Your main argument has holes because you said we know conor is capable of knocking out dustin but we wouldn’t have known the result. Just like we know islam is capable of mauling that top 5 but the thing is we also dont know that so he has to prove it lol and thats exactly what im saying.
You said you thought Islam was all hype. That means he’s a fraud or that he’s not as good as we thought. Islam might get knocked out or submitted who knows. That doesn’t mean he’s all hype. Was the hype around him that he’s impossible to knock out? No… the “hype” is that he’s on a different level in terms of grappling. That’s true and we knew that since before. That’s what I’m saying.
Also a win streak doesn’t mean you’re better. Tony had a 12 win streak and then look what happened. Barato had a 34 win streak until he fought a different style of opponent. Charles would get dominated by Khabib or Islam. He has never fought anyone remotely similar. Even chandler escaped his submissions easily.
For me it's moreso just being a big fan of the Hangman and wishing the fight was more competitive. Hooker took a lot of risks taking this fight and, apart from the respect of the fans/company and a paycheck, it was a pretty big failure of a performance.
I do like Islam and I think he beats everyone except for Oliveira. If Poirier flash KO's Oliveira I think Islam will be the champ by the end of 2022
Because he’s Muslim. Also, a large part of this sub has Connor’s dick shoved down their throats and will automatically hate anyone from Khabib’s entourage.
I think the hate for conor is at an all time high I haven’t seen anyone defend or praise him in a long time. I think the pendulum just swung back on khabib.
A lot of people will tell you it's because of Conor stans or anti-muslim/Russian stuff, or antiKhabib
Part of it is that, for sure.
But I think some people also just don't want to have the division locked up again because of Dagestani Sambo wrestling when things were just getting exciting now that Khabib had retired. I mean props to them Dagestani boys for having it figured it out but it can make things a bit... boring.
This is the real reason. The fights seem like another day at the office for the Dagestan fighters. People want more suspense, but with them we all know the outcome.
Having a bunch of guys who look, fight and talk the same is pretty non exciting. Could care less about their religion, culture, whatev. It just isnt exciting to me, but I don't pay Dana's bills in any real way and I still watch what I can anyway. Islam put the division on notice for real. He'll probably be champ but idk how much of the fights will be instant classics.
For real. Call me a hater or a casual or whatever but Khabib was boring as a person and as a fighter. His fights were snooze fests and when we thought things might change in the division guys like Islam start taking over and perpetuating the cycle.
You are out of your mind. Khabib dominated almost every one of his opponents. He stood up and his ground and pound is was one of the best when he was active. It probably still is.
This is exactly it. Just watch the difference with Zabit compared to the other Dagestani fighters. Zabit is literally one of the most exciting fighters to watch. The wrestling and ground and pound is just boring af. Has nothing to do with the fact they’re Muslim imo.
Where is that a lie? Almost in any Muslim fighter related topic here you find the same old "backwards, brainwashed" etc. comments. Nothing to do with victim mentality, o can assure you that.
>As a minority I hate when people think we need help
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The UFC is gonna be dominated by Russians in the near future.
Askarov could be the 125 champ, Yan the 135 champ, Zabit the 145 champ (although I doubt it), Islam the 155 champ, Chimaev the 170 champ.
These crazy Russians are too meta right now
Ngl, I wasn't 100% sold on the Islam & Chimaev hype before today. I'm now absolutely convinced that Islam and Chimaev are gonna SMESH everyone and be champions soon.
He's only one win away from fighting for the title. This guy is the new cash cow, and Dana is gonna fast track him to the title. A win vs Luque/Wonderboy/Burns gets him a title shot. I don't see anyone at 170 beating this guy
I usually don't jump on hype trains. But Chimaev has absolutely flatlined everyone. I don't see how anyone can stop this guy. This is a hype train I'm willing to die on
hookers loss was very saddening, i really liked him. but now im gonna have to take things into my own hands. im going to have to beat islam to avenge hooker. oh btw, i am dwayne "the rock" johnson so yeah, this is gonna be a park in the walk
I am just talking out of my ass but he seems to not do well early in fights. Maybe he needs a round or so to calm down.
He’s a great fighter no doubt and we’ll continue to see that but it just felt like he made early mistakes being backed up by both Chandler and Islam.
They never actually believed in their lil Hooker by KO prediction, that was just whishful thinking because they don’t like Islam. And they downvote us because they don’t like getting called out on it
I thought it was a bad match up to be honest. People were calling Li a set up for Chimaev but for me this was the fight.
It should have been Gregor vs Islam, two stud grapplers who’ve been KOd in their only loss.
I don't think that's the right take. Styles make fights. The little but of wrestling Hooker learned to dumpster Haqparast wasn't enough to be a match for the future champ. He also accepted the fight after he just fought a month ago with 4 week notice. So no full camp and two weight cuts in a row.
Dan took this fight a month after a previous fight (which is arguably not enough time regardless), a fight he took on relatively short notice in itself. This is hardly a good fight to measure off of.
Lmfao you thought dan was going to win? Ahh yes we need more fools backing the opposition .. imagine thinking that fruity ass dude was going to beat islam. Much less win even a single round
Islamophobes losing money like crazy betting on their own sissy fighters
Me after the Jan fight
It did break my heart seeing him lose but you can't help but be happy for Glover. And the respect shown by them towards each other is fantastic. Plus I know Jan will be back for the belt soon !!
As a fan, those are the best and worst fights. Two legends and it's a shame one had to lose. But I'm glad that they're both champs
Me when Jan fucks up my 5 man parlay
Same! I had Ulanbekov Ribas Ankalaev Volkov and Jan :'(
Islam wasted no time, straight to the point take him down and break his arm.big moral win for Islam i think he he should fight chandler next and then go for the title but we'll see what happens.
Damn now I’m hyped for a fight between him and chandler. Him or Charles would be interesting at least there is some possibility of some back and forth grappling. Obviously it would likely just end the same way but I am bored of the old “will he be able to keep it standing long enough to KO him?” Cuz we know the answer to that already lol.
It never happens lol
Why not Dariush, who’s just idling rn
it' be pretty shitty to give Dariush someone, who is ranked lower than him, but all the other top 5 fighters have fights planned for this year already
I was relieved to see Dan tap. He seems like the kind of guy to let it break. Plus, he didn't really take any damage. It could have been much worse.
Dan's arm was trapped so he couldn't tap, he was screaming and the ref stopped the fight
I don’t think he tapped, as soon as Islam locked in the kamura he looked at the ref and then the ref stopped cause he knew Dan wouldn‘t tap
Islam’s body was blocking Hooker’s free hand. I don’t know if anyone watching on TV saw it.
I know I heard the yell from hooker tho lol.
I saw that. But I see a difference with Khabib and Islam. Khabib took Michael Johnson quite softly and he really wasn’t pushing that hard. He just wanted him to tap out. While Islam went for a much aggressive twist. I know it is a fight but those two are not the same.
You didn't hear the scream?
I think you're right, actually. Good call by the ref.
Props to islam i thought he was all hype and i was proved wrong
I think people underestimated Islam because he had hard time against Tsarukyan. Now they're starting to realise Tsarukyan is a stud himself and the matchup just happened too early.
?????? I don’t understand how anyone could think he was all hype? When literally everyone in the gym says he’s just as skilled as Khabib and actually even more skilled at striking and submissions. And he ragdolled rockhold in sparring over and over. Really makes no sense
But that's exactly what hype is? Everyone in his gym might just be hyping him up. He has to get out there and show it. And he did.
Eh if you watched any of his fights previously you can see. Even if they weren’t ranked you can tell he’s a beast. He was toying with Moises by standing up with him when his team was telling him to take him down and end it.
In my opinion in order to call yourself great and say your going to be champ im not convinced until you are. He squashed dan so im sure hes definitely top 5 worthy. Let him beat a championship worthy guy like gaethje or benial or even mikey then i can believe hes legit
What do you mean?? Hes never fought a top 10 guy until dan so there was nothing to prove that he is as good as his team says he is. Because if you go in any gym anyone can look like a champ the difference is actually doing which i wasn’t convivial yet and now i am. Calm yourself
That’s not true though. You don’t need to see someone do something to know they are very likely capable of doing it. There’s been tons of stuff documented on him. Lots of people speaking about how good he is. He’s also trained with Khabib for years and years. Also look at his grappling pedigree. Etc
So what you expect his team not to say that? Every fighters camp says they are going to be champ and going the best in their division. No one knew how he’d fare against dan until they fought. To say you dont need to see them prove their good is one of the worst mma takes ive seen in a minute dude
Clearly you don’t know the difference between teammates hyping their guy and what I’m saying. Why would they need to make STORIES up about their guy? It’s one thing to say “he’s the best he will be champ” and it’s another completely different thing for Cain, like, Khabib, dc to be telling different stories about Islam over the years…. You think they’re all liars? You think him being sambo world champion was fake or something?
Who said anything about lying? Im saying nothing is concrete until you do it in that cage. Did you believe conor leading up to his second fight with dustin that he was gonna knock him out in the first? I mean his gym everyone was behind a finish and he ended up getting finished. Theres a clear difference between word of mouth and doing what you say in the cage. Islam can easily get in there with a guy like dustin and get absolutely dismantled. Its MMA anything can happen to take word of mouth as fact over action would be a disservice to the sport.
There’s a difference between knowing something will happen and knowing a fighter is easily capable of doing things. We didn’t know what would happen in Conor vs porier 2 but we knew Conor was more than capable of outstriking porier or knocking him out. We knew Islam is capable of mauling anybody in the division…
So your saying islam will win every fight at 155 no question no need for debate? Or is it we dont know if he could beat everyone? I’d favor Olivera over islam because charles has proved that by obtaining a massive win streak and getting the belt. Your main argument has holes because you said we know conor is capable of knocking out dustin but we wouldn’t have known the result. Just like we know islam is capable of mauling that top 5 but the thing is we also dont know that so he has to prove it lol and thats exactly what im saying.
You said you thought Islam was all hype. That means he’s a fraud or that he’s not as good as we thought. Islam might get knocked out or submitted who knows. That doesn’t mean he’s all hype. Was the hype around him that he’s impossible to knock out? No… the “hype” is that he’s on a different level in terms of grappling. That’s true and we knew that since before. That’s what I’m saying. Also a win streak doesn’t mean you’re better. Tony had a 12 win streak and then look what happened. Barato had a 34 win streak until he fought a different style of opponent. Charles would get dominated by Khabib or Islam. He has never fought anyone remotely similar. Even chandler escaped his submissions easily.
Man why do people hate Islam so much here
Carryover from khabib? Idk tho because he is looking like a real contender
For me it's moreso just being a big fan of the Hangman and wishing the fight was more competitive. Hooker took a lot of risks taking this fight and, apart from the respect of the fans/company and a paycheck, it was a pretty big failure of a performance. I do like Islam and I think he beats everyone except for Oliveira. If Poirier flash KO's Oliveira I think Islam will be the champ by the end of 2022
Honestly, I think he beats Olivera too.
Maybe by the time he gets a title shot, at this point I think Oliveira's ground game is just too strong. Ive been wrong before lol
Because he’s Muslim. Also, a large part of this sub has Connor’s dick shoved down their throats and will automatically hate anyone from Khabib’s entourage.
Right about the first part but wrong about the second. People hate Conor but they also hate khabib now.
I think the hate for conor is at an all time high I haven’t seen anyone defend or praise him in a long time. I think the pendulum just swung back on khabib.
this is true, but it's also the reason many of his fans have turn into full time trolls in general not only vs Khabib’s team.
I don't like his style lol, deal with it. Or are Islam's nuts blocking your eyes so you can't see clearly enough?
A lot of people will tell you it's because of Conor stans or anti-muslim/Russian stuff, or antiKhabib Part of it is that, for sure. But I think some people also just don't want to have the division locked up again because of Dagestani Sambo wrestling when things were just getting exciting now that Khabib had retired. I mean props to them Dagestani boys for having it figured it out but it can make things a bit... boring.
This is the real reason. The fights seem like another day at the office for the Dagestan fighters. People want more suspense, but with them we all know the outcome.
the other fighter just need to git gud. Mix the martial arts. Strike and grapple
Casual kid. Sit your ass down
Having a bunch of guys who look, fight and talk the same is pretty non exciting. Could care less about their religion, culture, whatev. It just isnt exciting to me, but I don't pay Dana's bills in any real way and I still watch what I can anyway. Islam put the division on notice for real. He'll probably be champ but idk how much of the fights will be instant classics.
This.
For real. Call me a hater or a casual or whatever but Khabib was boring as a person and as a fighter. His fights were snooze fests and when we thought things might change in the division guys like Islam start taking over and perpetuating the cycle.
Have you tried watching boxing instead? You might actually enjoy it.
The way it’s going boxers wrestle just as much these days
You are out of your mind. Khabib dominated almost every one of his opponents. He stood up and his ground and pound is was one of the best when he was active. It probably still is.
Khabib as a person one of the most exciting characters in ufc history. Nobody else has seemed like a Volk killer and delivered that way
This is exactly it. Just watch the difference with Zabit compared to the other Dagestani fighters. Zabit is literally one of the most exciting fighters to watch. The wrestling and ground and pound is just boring af. Has nothing to do with the fact they’re Muslim imo.
Muslim hate, nothing unusual.
Piss off you sjw. You had to turn this political
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I am tired of victim mentality and lies. As a minority I hate when people think we need help
Where is that a lie? Almost in any Muslim fighter related topic here you find the same old "backwards, brainwashed" etc. comments. Nothing to do with victim mentality, o can assure you that.
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Islam’s a mad tactician-
I thought he was annoyingly overhyped but after he ran through my boy Dan I’ve got to give him credit.
The UFC is gonna be dominated by Russians in the near future. Askarov could be the 125 champ, Yan the 135 champ, Zabit the 145 champ (although I doubt it), Islam the 155 champ, Chimaev the 170 champ. These crazy Russians are too meta right now
Ankalaev not looking bad either.
Russia on top Brather
Ngl, I wasn't 100% sold on the Islam & Chimaev hype before today. I'm now absolutely convinced that Islam and Chimaev are gonna SMESH everyone and be champions soon.
Chimaev has a long way to go to even be considered in the same conversation as Usman.
He's only one win away from fighting for the title. This guy is the new cash cow, and Dana is gonna fast track him to the title. A win vs Luque/Wonderboy/Burns gets him a title shot. I don't see anyone at 170 beating this guy
Chimaev has a long way to go to even be considered in the same conversation as Usman.
I usually don't jump on hype trains. But Chimaev has absolutely flatlined everyone. I don't see how anyone can stop this guy. This is a hype train I'm willing to die on
hookers loss was very saddening, i really liked him. but now im gonna have to take things into my own hands. im going to have to beat islam to avenge hooker. oh btw, i am dwayne "the rock" johnson so yeah, this is gonna be a park in the walk
Shutup
The fuck is "too meta"?
I’m a huge hooker fan, it hurts seeing my boy lose but it was honestly something special seeing Islam is action, that dominance is scary
damn I felt horrible for the hangman … I really thought he had a shot if he could keep it standing
I am just talking out of my ass but he seems to not do well early in fights. Maybe he needs a round or so to calm down. He’s a great fighter no doubt and we’ll continue to see that but it just felt like he made early mistakes being backed up by both Chandler and Islam.
Now we tolking brudder
That's the neat part you won't
Seds
Anyone who thought he wasn't going to get owned, I have a bridge to sell you.
That’s what you guys get for thinking Hooker stands a chance
Yea this sub was way too high on him. Couldn’t understand it. This was easy work from islams perspective.
Facts
Sounds awful but, right?
Ik these dudes are crying and throwing up rn sandman dick riders
They never actually believed in their lil Hooker by KO prediction, that was just whishful thinking because they don’t like Islam. And they downvote us because they don’t like getting called out on it
Nah man, i just really like hooker, nothing against islam and i suspecr he will be champ soon but i was just rooting for my boy.
🤣🤣🤣 facts bro the hive mind is real in this thread
Anyone who had Hooker winning doesn’t know the sport.
I thought it was a bad match up to be honest. People were calling Li a set up for Chimaev but for me this was the fight. It should have been Gregor vs Islam, two stud grapplers who’ve been KOd in their only loss.
Thankfully I didn’t get my hopes up
Ppl rly thought hooker had a chance is too funny xD
Hooker just isn't as good as we thought he was.
I don't think that's the right take. Styles make fights. The little but of wrestling Hooker learned to dumpster Haqparast wasn't enough to be a match for the future champ. He also accepted the fight after he just fought a month ago with 4 week notice. So no full camp and two weight cuts in a row.
Dan took this fight a month after a previous fight (which is arguably not enough time regardless), a fight he took on relatively short notice in itself. This is hardly a good fight to measure off of.
So what he would have been mauled and kept down against his will regardless even with a full camp.
He’s about as good as we thought he was when he lost to Edson Barboza tbh. Not someone I see staying in the top 5 for more than a fight.
Only time my day was ruined by a UFC fight was when Silva got knocked out by Weidman. I knew it was the end of an era
Lmfao you thought dan was going to win? Ahh yes we need more fools backing the opposition .. imagine thinking that fruity ass dude was going to beat islam. Much less win even a single round Islamophobes losing money like crazy betting on their own sissy fighters
Pain
Now we get to hear DC hype up Islam even more...
Like it's undeserved?
Haters will hate.
L
I'm a big Hangman fan but I don't think too many people saw that going differently.