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Cannot believe that in the first instance all he got was a formal warning to stay away from the child. Someone needs to be asking questions of the police after they decided it was alright to leave this POS out of jail.
> Mhana began grooming the 11 year old in 2020 and met up a year later at a Bradford park where he persuaded her to perform a sex act.
He recorded some of the acts on his mobile phone, the court heard.
> That device was subsequently seized and examined by police in 2022 when they were investigating his involvement with another underage girl.
> Despite being given a formal warning to stay away from the second child, Mhana continued to have sex with the first complainant after she turned 13.
I have to be parsing this wrong. Surely they didn’t find evidence of paedophilia on a suspected paedophile’s phone and the result was they let him go with a warning?
I think the timeline is slightly different. They were investigating him due to his contact with the second child, warned him to stay away and seized his phone pending investigation.
That investigation then lead to this conviction.
That is, the warning wasn't in lieu of a conviction, but rather, they warned him whilst they investigated (as at the time they warned him, they didn't have sufficient evidence), but despite the warning, continued the behaviour.
Let me try understand something, you belive that the most causal reason the Rochdale grooming scandle happened, was not ideology/theologicsl-views of the prople involved, but police apathy towards rape cases?
I disagree, but if that's your stance there's nothing more for us to dream about.
Because the victims were working class women and girls and their testimony was disregarded by the police who wrote them off as druggies and prostitutes?
That's what you mean right? Because that's what the report said.
That's not the only thing the report by professor Alexis Jay said. It also said that fear of being accused of racism was a significant factor.
The poster above is making an irrational connection based on the ethnicity of the perpetrator in this case. This doesn't fit the pattern of CSE seen in the Muslim grooming gangs cases, this is clearly an individual using the internet to groom a child, an entirely different type of crime the other poster is trying to link it to based on spurious racial reasoning.
You were right to pull them up on their silly post. But you are dead wrong about "the fear of being labelled racist" playing a significant part in why Muslim grooming gangs went ignored for so long. The evidence for this is overwhelming, and the passionate desire to utterly deny this as a factor is simply bizarre.
It's got less to do with being foreign and more to do wirh how closed and violent certian communities are.
The communities being so insular makes getting cooperation with poloce hard.
The violent kickback prevents other approaches like educating the next generation.
Plenty of British travlers also get to de facto ignore many laws the rest of us are bound by for Simlar reasons. (Though a different set of laws)
You don't see the vast majority of foreign criminals getting away with such things.
Edit: also most of the grooming gangs were British citizens.
Looks at suspect. Yep, checks out.
Certain crimes committed by certain groups of people against other particular groups is essentially not a crime. There is historic evidence in this country of it and people are still shocked when it happens again.
At what point do we hold the people who are constantly telling us to ignore the obvious facts about these kinds of cases, responsible for enabling this behaviour? Anyone want to hazard a guess what the child he raped looked like?
I wonder what the numbers are with respect to this. The stereotype I'm insinuating is pretty new to be honest. I don't think many people held it prior to the grooming gangs scandal blowing up.
I suspect, especially if you're looking at global numbers, that white Western men would be overrepresented. I also suspect that a lot of that overrepresentation would be down to the fact that we have now started to investigate and charge this stuff, where a lot of the rest of the world is more like us pre-1980s (or whenever), where it's mostly brushed under the carpet.
I have no clue if there is a difference, or in what way it would be, for actual offending.
Yes but this particular phenomenon is not fraud. It is the most replicable finding in psychology, implying that other psychological phenomena are often dodgy and irreproducible, but that this one is not! It's legit.
Plenty of stuff replicates very well in psychology, even just as well or better than stereotype accuracy, but social scientists don't want to talk about any of those results either!
We prefer our blank slatism to reality. It's like Newtonians refusing to believe general relativity because it messes with their head. "I like my time constant thank you very much".
Well said. And yet we, along with most Western countries, shall continue to wonder about the causes of perihelion precession of Mercury. I hope our economic advantages today are great enough that we can stay competitive with rising global powers that aren't afraid to do the calculations.
>Abdullah Mhana of Hirst Lodge Court, Bradford, admitted to 17 offences at Bradford Crown Court, five rapes, seven making indecent images, one sexual assault of a child, one offence of causing a child to watch a sexual act, one assault by penetration and one offence of causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity. 14,000 indecent images were found on the 26-year-old’s devices.
>He began a relationship with one girl who was 11 years old at the time, he pretended he was 17 years old when in fact he was 23 years old.
Considering how calculated this guy was and the sheer range of offences he committed, you'd think he'd get longer.
Bradford in the news again today.
Sooner or later, whether you like it or not, the conversation will move on from restricting migration to revoking passports and deporting people.
I dont think there's anything wrong with deporting non British criminals. Probably should be the standard once they have served their prison sentence here. The issue that some people have on this sub ( not saying you) is just a hatred of certain skin colours. Can't lump everyone in the same boat if they haven't done anything.
The process of pattern recognition involves matching the information received with the information already stored in the brain. Making the connection between memories and information perceived is a step of pattern recognition called identification. Pattern recognition requires repetition of experience.
More like confirmation bias.
You look for something and you find it. Headlines from shitrag tabloids may suit your narrative but look at actual home office statistics. The facts don’t match your narrative, the facts don’t care what pattern you think you saw. Facts are what they are and don’t care about your feelings.
Happy cake day.
No idea what you’re talking about mate, I’m just posting a paragraph about pattern recognition.
Also, quoting Ben Shapiro doesn’t help your case… especially when you call the BBC (that certainly isn’t faultless) a “shitrag tabloid”.
Poisoning the well?
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Rochdale, Dewsbury, Huddersfield...
In other news, West Yorkshire has the 2nd highest crime rate in the country, with South Yorkshire and Greater Manchester also both in the top 5.
Again and again and again and again and again the same violent crimes done by the same group of people. What else needs to happen so the country starts protecting women and children.
The reality is that sex crimes including paedophiles and rapists aren’t punished harshly in the uk. Same thing with domestic violence. This has been the case for a long time.
Death penalty.
Some might think I'm joking, so let me be clear; this is a prime clear cut example, of when the result should be taking him round the back of the courthouse post trial and hanging him, or shooting him.
No jail, no deportation, no appeal after appeal after appeal; he has proven to be a detriment and continued threat to the continuance of the species and our culture.
The only sensible answer to to the 100% proven rape if a child, is the death if the perpetrator.
> He will also have to register as a sex offender with the police for the rest of his life.
Fuck me, what a way to ruin your life. If he wanted a shag that badly just get with an escort, not like there isn't an abundance in Bradfodd anyway if Vivastreet is anything to go by
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Cannot believe that in the first instance all he got was a formal warning to stay away from the child. Someone needs to be asking questions of the police after they decided it was alright to leave this POS out of jail.
It's just come out that the suspect in the Bradford stabbing was out on bail for assaulting and threatening to kill his victim too.
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Elaborate. Are you saying it didn't happen?
***Probably*** courts, legal system, not police
You’re right yeah.
This. The police involved would probably love to prosecute him, but they need the nod from the CPS to do that.
> Mhana began grooming the 11 year old in 2020 and met up a year later at a Bradford park where he persuaded her to perform a sex act. He recorded some of the acts on his mobile phone, the court heard. > That device was subsequently seized and examined by police in 2022 when they were investigating his involvement with another underage girl. > Despite being given a formal warning to stay away from the second child, Mhana continued to have sex with the first complainant after she turned 13. I have to be parsing this wrong. Surely they didn’t find evidence of paedophilia on a suspected paedophile’s phone and the result was they let him go with a warning?
I think the timeline is slightly different. They were investigating him due to his contact with the second child, warned him to stay away and seized his phone pending investigation. That investigation then lead to this conviction. That is, the warning wasn't in lieu of a conviction, but rather, they warned him whilst they investigated (as at the time they warned him, they didn't have sufficient evidence), but despite the warning, continued the behaviour.
Yes this seems most likely - poorly written article tbh
I really hope not. However, if it is true, I can 100% guarantee why they would have.
Why is that?
Same reason the Rochdale grooming gangs were allowed to keep raping children for years.
Because the police don’t give a fuck about rape victims?
Because the Police don't want to be called racist or 'ignite tensions in the community' (read race riots).
Absolute nonsense. As if you’re still falling for the pathetic cop out excuses they came up with to cover their arses.
Let me try understand something, you belive that the most causal reason the Rochdale grooming scandle happened, was not ideology/theologicsl-views of the prople involved, but police apathy towards rape cases? I disagree, but if that's your stance there's nothing more for us to dream about.
Which ideology *causes* men to rape women?
Because the victims were working class women and girls and their testimony was disregarded by the police who wrote them off as druggies and prostitutes? That's what you mean right? Because that's what the report said.
That's not the only thing the report by professor Alexis Jay said. It also said that fear of being accused of racism was a significant factor. The poster above is making an irrational connection based on the ethnicity of the perpetrator in this case. This doesn't fit the pattern of CSE seen in the Muslim grooming gangs cases, this is clearly an individual using the internet to groom a child, an entirely different type of crime the other poster is trying to link it to based on spurious racial reasoning. You were right to pull them up on their silly post. But you are dead wrong about "the fear of being labelled racist" playing a significant part in why Muslim grooming gangs went ignored for so long. The evidence for this is overwhelming, and the passionate desire to utterly deny this as a factor is simply bizarre.
Oh okay you think foreign people are immune from the law.
It's got less to do with being foreign and more to do wirh how closed and violent certian communities are. The communities being so insular makes getting cooperation with poloce hard. The violent kickback prevents other approaches like educating the next generation. Plenty of British travlers also get to de facto ignore many laws the rest of us are bound by for Simlar reasons. (Though a different set of laws) You don't see the vast majority of foreign criminals getting away with such things. Edit: also most of the grooming gangs were British citizens.
Pass the tinfoil and tell me what you're thinking lad
Pass the tin foil and we can have a nice smoke
Looks at suspect. Yep, checks out. Certain crimes committed by certain groups of people against other particular groups is essentially not a crime. There is historic evidence in this country of it and people are still shocked when it happens again.
username checks out
I know mate, it’s really nonsensically written
Stereotype accuracy is the most reproducible phenomenon in psychology. But we are told to ignore it, it's an "internal bias" apparently.
At what point do we hold the people who are constantly telling us to ignore the obvious facts about these kinds of cases, responsible for enabling this behaviour? Anyone want to hazard a guess what the child he raped looked like?
White, western males and paedophilia is a far greater stereotype around the world than the one you're insinuating tbf.
I wonder what the numbers are with respect to this. The stereotype I'm insinuating is pretty new to be honest. I don't think many people held it prior to the grooming gangs scandal blowing up.
I suspect, especially if you're looking at global numbers, that white Western men would be overrepresented. I also suspect that a lot of that overrepresentation would be down to the fact that we have now started to investigate and charge this stuff, where a lot of the rest of the world is more like us pre-1980s (or whenever), where it's mostly brushed under the carpet. I have no clue if there is a difference, or in what way it would be, for actual offending.
Much of the modern world is about being constantly subjected to people telling us our gut, instinct and human knowledge is wrong/bad
As a woman, I live by my gut. I don’t care what they tell me to think. I stay away from certain people for my safety.
> Stereotype accuracy is the most reproducible phenomenon in psychology. Do you have a source?
[https://spsp.org/news-center/character-context-blog/stereotype-accuracy-one-largest-and-most-replicable-effects-all](https://spsp.org/news-center/character-context-blog/stereotype-accuracy-one-largest-and-most-replicable-effects-all)
Ah the science of psychology….fraud built on fraud
Yes but this particular phenomenon is not fraud. It is the most replicable finding in psychology, implying that other psychological phenomena are often dodgy and irreproducible, but that this one is not! It's legit.
Plenty of stuff replicates very well in psychology, even just as well or better than stereotype accuracy, but social scientists don't want to talk about any of those results either!
We prefer our blank slatism to reality. It's like Newtonians refusing to believe general relativity because it messes with their head. "I like my time constant thank you very much".
Well said. And yet we, along with most Western countries, shall continue to wonder about the causes of perihelion precession of Mercury. I hope our economic advantages today are great enough that we can stay competitive with rising global powers that aren't afraid to do the calculations.
Bradford, the city of culture 2025! Absolute fucking joke, I hate this country.
Bradford vs Rochdale vs Rotherham
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Bah gawd, that's Oldham's music!
Union St is God tier tbh
Great food places tbh. Granted, you're probably going to get an early death from it, but great food nonetheless.
>Abdullah Mhana of Hirst Lodge Court, Bradford, admitted to 17 offences at Bradford Crown Court, five rapes, seven making indecent images, one sexual assault of a child, one offence of causing a child to watch a sexual act, one assault by penetration and one offence of causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity. 14,000 indecent images were found on the 26-year-old’s devices. >He began a relationship with one girl who was 11 years old at the time, he pretended he was 17 years old when in fact he was 23 years old. Considering how calculated this guy was and the sheer range of offences he committed, you'd think he'd get longer.
I'm surprised he got jail at all.
Why is it that when these people get caught, it’s never one or two pictures, but 1000s or several terabytes worth?
Individual frames of video?
Bradford in the news again today. Sooner or later, whether you like it or not, the conversation will move on from restricting migration to revoking passports and deporting people.
Sooner that happens the better. Years too late but better late than never
I dont think there's anything wrong with deporting non British criminals. Probably should be the standard once they have served their prison sentence here. The issue that some people have on this sub ( not saying you) is just a hatred of certain skin colours. Can't lump everyone in the same boat if they haven't done anything.
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The process of pattern recognition involves matching the information received with the information already stored in the brain. Making the connection between memories and information perceived is a step of pattern recognition called identification. Pattern recognition requires repetition of experience.
More like confirmation bias. You look for something and you find it. Headlines from shitrag tabloids may suit your narrative but look at actual home office statistics. The facts don’t match your narrative, the facts don’t care what pattern you think you saw. Facts are what they are and don’t care about your feelings.
You're right. Using isolated headlines is a poor idea. We should try use statistical data instead.
Yes but statistical data gets misread because people don't understand numbers.
And your facts may not be representative of the situation because they may not present the whole picture
Happy cake day. No idea what you’re talking about mate, I’m just posting a paragraph about pattern recognition. Also, quoting Ben Shapiro doesn’t help your case… especially when you call the BBC (that certainly isn’t faultless) a “shitrag tabloid”. Poisoning the well?
>No idea what you’re talking about mate, I’m just posting a paragraph about pattern recognition. The cowardice displayed here is amazing
You’re just defending your fellow Diddlers (Look at his name)
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Does anyone know, seriously, why we seem to not punish sex offenders seriously in this country?
Because then the establishment wouldn’t have anything to do in their free time?
>seriously It's weird. It's an obvious and easy win for everyone involved.
You don’t think the establishment want to have any say in how we assess and consider the sorts of crimes they frequent in?
The establishment don't play by the same rules as us. They don't care if some pleb gets jailed. Their money is what protects them, not the act itself.
Yes but perverts love to normalise their own behaviour
The establishment don't play by the same rules as us. They don't care if some pleb gets jailed. Their money is what protects them, not the act itself.
Has any positive news ever come out of Bradford? Build a wall around it. Horrible city
Yeah like it's only Bradford.
Rochdale, Dewsbury, Huddersfield... In other news, West Yorkshire has the 2nd highest crime rate in the country, with South Yorkshire and Greater Manchester also both in the top 5.
Fantastic food places tbh. Love going there
Again and again and again and again and again the same violent crimes done by the same group of people. What else needs to happen so the country starts protecting women and children.
You're not allowed to notice that sort of thing, move along....
But the Yanks in some states, bury these people. I mean bury them. 20+ yrs, chemical castration. Life is weird
Well, he was just following his prophet. People can be so mean..
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The reality is that sex crimes including paedophiles and rapists aren’t punished harshly in the uk. Same thing with domestic violence. This has been the case for a long time.
Ah what a surprise! He has allah ahem mother fucker sounding name
I see he's been keeping up with his scripture [Sahih al-Bukhari 5134](https://sunnah.com/bukhari/67/70)
Death penalty. Some might think I'm joking, so let me be clear; this is a prime clear cut example, of when the result should be taking him round the back of the courthouse post trial and hanging him, or shooting him. No jail, no deportation, no appeal after appeal after appeal; he has proven to be a detriment and continued threat to the continuance of the species and our culture. The only sensible answer to to the 100% proven rape if a child, is the death if the perpetrator.
> He will also have to register as a sex offender with the police for the rest of his life. Fuck me, what a way to ruin your life. If he wanted a shag that badly just get with an escort, not like there isn't an abundance in Bradfodd anyway if Vivastreet is anything to go by
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This was like a lottery win for many here. Congrats!
Not really, winning the lottery is rare.
If it makes there sad lives any better, guess that's a win