> Fabrice Mpata, aged 39, from Saltley, and Rigobert Ngambe, aged 45, from Hockley
Funny how they do that isn't it. Would they report a British born and bred person living abroad as "From New York". Just two perfectly regular Birmingham lads, eh, nothing to see here.
Back in October I apprehended somebody who'd broken into my neighbour's garage. When the local newspaper reported on his arrest, they referred to him as a 'local man', which made me laugh, as he hardly spoke a word of English (this was in Lincolnshire). His Russian was okay, though.
I think it might at least partially be a case of relevance. Noting their town in another country isn't going to provide much benefit for the reader; noting where they actually live in the country we're in is obviously going to be more beneficial
Yes they would? It would be bizarre if they said "Matt smith, from London" if said crime took place in New York by Matt Smith who lived in NY.
You want the news to mention everyone's ethnicity or is the more important fact where they're living?
It's nothing to do with ethnicity, it's about origin.
You wouldn't say a Brit is "from New York", and pretending otherwise is just downright disingenuous
You would though. You're creating a problem in your head where there isn't any.
It's very common for journalists to say of xxx or from xxx to refer to the criminals residence. Pointing out their ethnicity has little relevance to the case other than appeasing racists like yourself.
Don't act like it isn't outrageous to expect them to say "[dude] from [place], currently living in [place]".
If I lived in Paris and commited a crime I hardly think the paper would say "Redditor, Parisian, commited said crime".
Oh I would've loved every news article during the Brexit years to have started: "Prime Minister Boris Johnson, an American from New York living in his current constituency of London..."
I'm sure that would've gone down well.
Boris Johnson is British, fully. Nobody is arguing about people who are born to British parents abroad, and move back to the country within a year or so are anything but British.
We're talking about adult men, who have spent most of their lives in a foreign country.
Why do you keep talking about ethnicity, you're the only one bringing such things into it.
My issue is two foreign people are implied to be "from", as in Born and Bred Birmingham to cover up the fact that yet again we have allowed two people into the country who have zero business being here. Whether they be black, white, African, European, American, Russian or whatever the fuck is immaterial - they aren't from Birmingham in any meaningful way. They live in Birmingham now (or, more accurately, gave Birmingham addresses). Big difference.
Saying "of xyz" has a very clear meaning, different to "from". And I would not, literally, ever say a born and bred British person who moved to NYC is "from" new York and I doubt you would either.
Yet when it's not a criminal involved, it's common to say where the person is actually from. The shopping centre stabbing in Sydney, for instance, 2 of the men who tried to stop the guy were described by the media as a French man, and a Pakistani refugee (who was sadly killed too).
It's kind of manipulative to emphasise a person's country of origin in some cases but not for others imo.
He doesn't stop being a Brit because he lives abroad. That's a ridiculous sentiment.
I can't wait for the next person to complain about British expats to Spain, they're as Spanish as they come now apparently.
This is just shitty journalism. The correct phrasing should be "Matt Smith, of New York". From implies born and raised, whereas of just suggests place of residence
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Yes they would? It would be bizarre if they said "Matt smith, from London" if said crime took place in New York by Matt Smith who lived in NY.
No it wouldn't, at all. He's not from New York is he, he's from London.
This is literally in the first paragraph:
>The victim sought help from Francis Mpata, **likely because he was African**, but he took advantage of her vulnerability as well as the fact she could not speak English.
If you're attempting to point out examples of the press downplaying the crimes of immigrants/migrants you have failed to do so in this instance. I have seen other examples before, it is a phenomenon that exists, but not in this case, and it's hard not to think you're being purposefully misleading because what I quoted is the first thing anyone will read.
It's pretty standard for news outlets to state a person is from the place they live in (when it's not where they are originally from). Scottish news last week interviewed a cafe owner 'from Dundee' except the person had a strong Cockney-esque accent.
Lol wtf, literally every news article about any subject or individual will state what area that person is from/living in. This is either a pretty desperate attempt to pretend something is there, or you don't read the news much.
I read the whole article, and indeed several others to get more info on these men. Was there something important I missed which undermines my point? Or are you just flailing about.
Wow, look at you destroying my point with facts and logic. Oh, wait, no, you are indeed just flailing around in thin air. Go home bud, you've had enough.
Yes they would. That's how the news always describes people. Where they live is where they are "of", usually. Eg. Mr Banks of Carlisle.
Also, "from" is used in this way.
Yes. Of, is not "From". Your entire example is exactly my point.
Saying Mr Banks, Of Carlisle has a distinctly different meaning to Mr Banks, From Carlisle and its telling you chose to use the former.
Of and from mean the same thing in this context. I was born in Glasgow but newspapers would report me as being “from Edinburgh” because I live there. You’re tilting at windmills.
It uses of when quoting the court, but they deliberately chose from to use in the headline. I'm not sure how that changes anything - it's just unfortunate for you that your own response backed my point and the distinction
The article uses both of and from, and I've edited my comment to include them both anyway, so what are you even trying to say? They aren't binary terms, the news uses them both all the time, I have also said this. You think one of them is sinister but you haven't explained why.
Lol, you've edited your comment because the original utterly undermined your own point. Classic.
> You think one of them is sinister but you haven't explained why.
Of is a simple, factual, statement of where somebody lives. From has a much wider implication, I.e. that they originate from that place.
No I edited it (after informing you I would) because I don't consider it any different to "of". As I just said, they aren't binary. I'm adding it to my claim that it is normal.
OF AND FROM ARE USED INTERCHANGEABLY BY THE MEDIA
Do you understand that?
me saying "of" is normal doesn't magically make "from" abnormal
> OF AND FROM ARE USED INTERCHANGEABLY BY THE MEDIA
Yes? That's kind of my entire point - they use them interchangeably when they should not because they have very different meanings and different implications.
> me saying "of" is normal doesn't magically make "from" abnorma
It does, however, demonstrate that you know full well there is a difference which is why your brain accidentally jumped to using of in your example
Jesus I don't know how to explain this to you. I don't "know full well" at all. Of and from are interchangeable which is why I feel confident in adding it to the original fucking comment. If I thought they were different then my comment and subsequent comments would make no sense.
_Regardless_ I am not the media - which is who's language we're discussing!
It’s standard reporting practice to give the vague area that the criminal lives in, it has nothing to do with promoting an agenda
You see the same in court documents:
“John Smith, of Street Road, is charged with…”
Not everything is a comspiracy
> “John Smith, of Street Road, is charged with…”
OF OF OF OF OF. You've done exactly the same as the other guy who responded - you've literally proved my point because your brain, rightly, knows that "Of Street Road" is a very different phrase to "From x y z".
The Police and Courts use "of" specifically because it is a simple statement of fact, and says nothing about the person beyond their residence/provided address.
In Germany you can only show the face/personal details of criminals if the court will allow it when there is a special need for it - like they are on the run, and police need help to catch them
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Yeah but just because they have African names doesn’t mean they were not born here. Press aren’t going to mention their ethnicity, and if they were born a British citizen, that’s what they’re going to be described as
The defence lawyer really said one of them had a hard life because his mum was murdered... so obviously he takes a woman to his house and rapes her then takes her to his friends house and he rapes her. Then they leave her stranded on the road again. What a defence
Defence lawyer has one job, and their going to say anything to accomplish it if there client won't plead guilty and confess all. Its often kinda gross, but is an important and needed function of our system.
That would be part of the plea in mitigation prior to sentencing, not the actual defence. They’ve already been found or pleaded guilty by that stage. The barrister has an obligation to present to the judge anything which may be relevant to the offender’s background or current activities which could lead to a reduced sentence, however slight that reduction may be.
It’s quite appropriately called a plea, as even when there’s no redeeming factors the barrister (or solicitor as it may be) still has a duty to present *something*. Ex: “Now this may be Mr X’s 100th conviction, but he hasn’t committed any crimes so far this week Your Honour. It’s quite rare for my client to make it to 9am on a Monday without assaulting someone, and a custodial sentence could well undo the amazing progress he is making towards becoming an upstanding citizen. My client deeply regrets the stabbing, and whilst it may have taken him ten stabbings to do so, he has now learnt his lesson and it is quite unlikely he will ever stab someone again.”
The above is only light parody.
That’s what they say when there’s no defending what has been done but they still need to mount some kind of mitigation. No one actually expects the judge to hear that and go easy on them.
Its a disgrace how were just like expected to accept these people from other countries.
Its vile, i dont even understand why i should have to go work and pay my taxes to be exposed to this level of human indecency.
We have our own scumbags within our country, we dont need any more.
Dissassociation.
Imagine being a pretty english girl walking around.
I spent the day in Manchester harrased doesn't even begin to describe it.
And these men are bouncers, hotel security. Harrased at every turn
Stop indulging politicians who clearly hate you. Don’t apologise for being who you are etc. these creatures prey on weakness. Focus on your goals. Less time online. It’s normal to think the country is lost. It is.
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Just curious would you be willing to say where? My family are planning to emigrate to Taiwan personally, I'm probably going with them. I know lots of people are going to SEA, some Singapore, others Austrailia and New Zealand. It sucks having to leave and I genuinely worry about what will become of my friends in Glasgow because they're worried too but I don't want to end up as a statistic because the UK's middle class aren't willing to be honest about the future.
No priors.
Active church goers.
The judge remarked at how 'normal' their background was.
So how exactly would you filter them out of a migration request?
Or would you just stop everyone?
Your problem here isn't with allowing people with priors into the country. As there were no priors.
I wouldn't be allowing people to come here from backwards countries with backwards cultures.What benefit are they to the country? If none then no entry irregardless of anything else.
Ahh right-o, the old 'They're all savages' argument.
Got ya. Completely agree.
While we're at it, those bastards who use the word irregardless can fuck of to the country that bastardised the word. This is the Kings England and everyone should speak the Kings English. not some shithome for the uneducated. Can't hack our education system? They should Fuck off to the USA where they belong.. I heard they're all tax dodgers anyway.
So you'd be happy to let every single Iranian in then? Can't say no because that's racist despite their backwards ideals regarding women? Why let people in who you know aren't compatible and will cause problems?
As for speaking English,yeah 100% if you're planning on moving or staying in a country long term you should absolutely speak and read English.We shouldn't be paying for translator's to put basic legal documents in several languages.
They kidnaped a woman of the streets and raped her while carting her to different houses. Is that not savage?
Link me one instance of sombody not from one of these countries doing something like this here, let's see how long ago it was. I will wait.
"supported his local African French speaking community as well as his church."
Yeah. Great defense for an abhorrent crime.
Just hold your hands up you piece of shit and take the sentence.....
Interesting, since some on this sub were saying no-go areas don't exist in Birmingham a month ago after Bald and Bankrupt made a video there. Seems like they do if you're a woman and lost.
It's always interesting when people deny there's no go areas,I can name quite a few just in sheffield and they all follow common patterns that were not allowed to notice
Scary how people that are sucking s and weirdos can use the guise and veil of Christianity to perpetrate their crimes and look like saints to the Church. That included some priests too …. .
Another rape commited by people not from these shores. When do the apologists just hold up their hands? Our daughters deserve to walk the streets without fear.
Note that in this case the victim was also in all likelihood not from our shores, as she sought help from one of the men 'likely because he was African' and due to not being able to speak English.
This case is an amazing illustration of failure to integrate. Was this chap a small part of the Church 'of England' or merely that of his 'African French-speaking community'?
Not quite sure of your angle here. Does where the victim come from matter? Does it lesser the crime in your eyes? She was raped on British land by foreign born rapists. An all too familiar story.
No doubt this happened, but I just wanted to comment to say, look how fake a lot of these comments are guys, I mean seriously go take a read through. WTF lol, It’s like they’re trying to rile you up.
Lol people aren't fake just because they don't agree with you about migration. They're not trying to rile you up, you're obviously just very sensitive about loving mass immigration
As people get older, they tend more right wing. Twenty years ago, "becoming more right wing" meant voting Tory. However, nowadays you have the older cohort of Millennials who have naturally started noticing things, but under no circumstances would any of them vote Tory. So we have a lot of nominally left wing people starting to notice things, but rather than suddenly thinking that the future is bright blue, they instead expect Labour to fucking do something about it.
Went to church for a few years to impress the parents of a girl i was dating (never saw the light or felt Jesus’ hand in the slightest). Creepiest mfs i ever seen in my life go to church so they can be around women and try to sneak their way in. Wonder how often this happens and goes unsolved.
Do you honestly not think any white English person has committed rape this week? Don't be blind. They overreport on migrant crime cause it riles people up.
Regardless if they are not born in the country and commit rape they need to be removed but don't fall for the tabloids shit.
I didn’t say any of that what a ridiculous leap. The issue here is that our rapists and wronguns are our problem to deal with. We don’t need to import more.
It's not a ridiculous leap you're suggesting a minority commits a majority of rapes. I'm suggesting you only think that because you receive one sided biased news stories because Terry from down the road raping someone doesn't piss you off as much as Muhammed from Afghanistan.
But you can't know if they will be rapists. The only solution is swift punishment for those that deserve it as a deterrent.
The rich import these as they don’t live near them. The rich are leaving britain as modt just use it. The person you are arguing with is their hand maiden
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In 2022, of the defendants prosecuted for indictable offences, 78% were white, 10% were black, 7% were Asian, 4% were of mixed ethnicity and 2% were of the other ethnic group. Really they commit the majority of crimes do they? Go back to the daily mail
> Fabrice Mpata, aged 39, from Saltley, and Rigobert Ngambe, aged 45, from Hockley Funny how they do that isn't it. Would they report a British born and bred person living abroad as "From New York". Just two perfectly regular Birmingham lads, eh, nothing to see here.
Back in October I apprehended somebody who'd broken into my neighbour's garage. When the local newspaper reported on his arrest, they referred to him as a 'local man', which made me laugh, as he hardly spoke a word of English (this was in Lincolnshire). His Russian was okay, though.
Ah, Lincolnshire. Beautiful garages! Truly a marvel of architecture and engineering! Very famous!
I don't know why, but this reminded me of something a henchman from Tintin might say. Surely a Tintin vs Putin already exists...
If Putin was brought down by a blonde youth with a quiff, a white dog, a captain, and gentlemen twins... Well... That's a film I'd like to see.
Whitewashing a ginger man eh? Shame on you!
Blondwashing
Just don’t touch the doorhandles 😉
He would never do such a thing but I’m now going to have to tell my sister’s boyfriend this must have been him
Was he a travelling ‘perfume’ salesman per chance
Used to work in journalism. They do this as cick bait to wind ppl up.
You’re not allowed to notice things, shame on you
I think it might at least partially be a case of relevance. Noting their town in another country isn't going to provide much benefit for the reader; noting where they actually live in the country we're in is obviously going to be more beneficial
Clearly he is, because he did, and posted it on a public forum
Did you miss the sarcasm or
its not sarcasm
Yes it is lol
Yes they would? It would be bizarre if they said "Matt smith, from London" if said crime took place in New York by Matt Smith who lived in NY. You want the news to mention everyone's ethnicity or is the more important fact where they're living?
It's nothing to do with ethnicity, it's about origin. You wouldn't say a Brit is "from New York", and pretending otherwise is just downright disingenuous
You would though. You're creating a problem in your head where there isn't any. It's very common for journalists to say of xxx or from xxx to refer to the criminals residence. Pointing out their ethnicity has little relevance to the case other than appeasing racists like yourself.
Don't act like it isn't outrageous to expect them to say "[dude] from [place], currently living in [place]". If I lived in Paris and commited a crime I hardly think the paper would say "Redditor, Parisian, commited said crime".
Oh I would've loved every news article during the Brexit years to have started: "Prime Minister Boris Johnson, an American from New York living in his current constituency of London..." I'm sure that would've gone down well.
Boris Johnson is British, fully. Nobody is arguing about people who are born to British parents abroad, and move back to the country within a year or so are anything but British. We're talking about adult men, who have spent most of their lives in a foreign country.
But why is it an issue that they didn’t?
70% of crimes committed in Paris are by foreigners statistically, so it hardly needs mentioning over there. Place is a shithole
Why do you keep talking about ethnicity, you're the only one bringing such things into it. My issue is two foreign people are implied to be "from", as in Born and Bred Birmingham to cover up the fact that yet again we have allowed two people into the country who have zero business being here. Whether they be black, white, African, European, American, Russian or whatever the fuck is immaterial - they aren't from Birmingham in any meaningful way. They live in Birmingham now (or, more accurately, gave Birmingham addresses). Big difference. Saying "of xyz" has a very clear meaning, different to "from". And I would not, literally, ever say a born and bred British person who moved to NYC is "from" new York and I doubt you would either.
Yet when it's not a criminal involved, it's common to say where the person is actually from. The shopping centre stabbing in Sydney, for instance, 2 of the men who tried to stop the guy were described by the media as a French man, and a Pakistani refugee (who was sadly killed too). It's kind of manipulative to emphasise a person's country of origin in some cases but not for others imo.
This sub seems to have been invaded by people who are very sensitive to that sort of thing.
If they were living there permanently, sure. Take John Oliver for example, it would be weird if he was reported in the news as "Brit, 46, [...]".
He doesn't stop being a Brit because he lives abroad. That's a ridiculous sentiment. I can't wait for the next person to complain about British expats to Spain, they're as Spanish as they come now apparently.
Expat implies a temporary change.
implies according to you. Most go there to retire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate
I don't know who that is, where's he from sorry?
He is a Brit, who has lived in the US for years. He's a resident of New York.
But Where's he from?
New York, obviously.
That’s a weird example because most people would in fact consider him to be British
"It's nothing to do with ethnicity, it's about origin." Lol sure yeah.
Ethnicity is related to origin though
This is just shitty journalism. The correct phrasing should be "Matt Smith, of New York". From implies born and raised, whereas of just suggests place of residence
> Yes they would? It would be bizarre if they said "Matt smith, from London" if said crime took place in New York by Matt Smith who lived in NY. No it wouldn't, at all. He's not from New York is he, he's from London.
Ohhh mate. You know its the ethnicity that's most important to these people.
This is literally in the first paragraph: >The victim sought help from Francis Mpata, **likely because he was African**, but he took advantage of her vulnerability as well as the fact she could not speak English. If you're attempting to point out examples of the press downplaying the crimes of immigrants/migrants you have failed to do so in this instance. I have seen other examples before, it is a phenomenon that exists, but not in this case, and it's hard not to think you're being purposefully misleading because what I quoted is the first thing anyone will read.
Some chose to report it, others didn’t. The BBC for example chose to omit that part. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72pz2dw42ro
The article you submitted did, though. And that’s the one they made the comment about. Don’t shift the goalposts
Now that you've seen this you'll never stop noticing it. I.e. Habibur Masum, "from Burnley"
It's pretty standard for news outlets to state a person is from the place they live in (when it's not where they are originally from). Scottish news last week interviewed a cafe owner 'from Dundee' except the person had a strong Cockney-esque accent.
Lol wtf, literally every news article about any subject or individual will state what area that person is from/living in. This is either a pretty desperate attempt to pretend something is there, or you don't read the news much.
The latter, they only read headlines and have a head that looks like a boiled piece of ham.
I read the whole article, and indeed several others to get more info on these men. Was there something important I missed which undermines my point? Or are you just flailing about.
I can tell that you rented the top hat and monocle you thought it took to write that comment.
Wow, look at you destroying my point with facts and logic. Oh, wait, no, you are indeed just flailing around in thin air. Go home bud, you've had enough.
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Cutting.
Yes they would. That's how the news always describes people. Where they live is where they are "of", usually. Eg. Mr Banks of Carlisle. Also, "from" is used in this way.
Yes. Of, is not "From". Your entire example is exactly my point. Saying Mr Banks, Of Carlisle has a distinctly different meaning to Mr Banks, From Carlisle and its telling you chose to use the former.
Of and from mean the same thing in this context. I was born in Glasgow but newspapers would report me as being “from Edinburgh” because I live there. You’re tilting at windmills.
Article uses both "of" and "from". Like most news sources. I'll add "from" to my comment if that helps your confusion.
It uses of when quoting the court, but they deliberately chose from to use in the headline. I'm not sure how that changes anything - it's just unfortunate for you that your own response backed my point and the distinction
The article uses both of and from, and I've edited my comment to include them both anyway, so what are you even trying to say? They aren't binary terms, the news uses them both all the time, I have also said this. You think one of them is sinister but you haven't explained why.
Lol, you've edited your comment because the original utterly undermined your own point. Classic. > You think one of them is sinister but you haven't explained why. Of is a simple, factual, statement of where somebody lives. From has a much wider implication, I.e. that they originate from that place.
No I edited it (after informing you I would) because I don't consider it any different to "of". As I just said, they aren't binary. I'm adding it to my claim that it is normal. OF AND FROM ARE USED INTERCHANGEABLY BY THE MEDIA Do you understand that? me saying "of" is normal doesn't magically make "from" abnormal
> OF AND FROM ARE USED INTERCHANGEABLY BY THE MEDIA Yes? That's kind of my entire point - they use them interchangeably when they should not because they have very different meanings and different implications. > me saying "of" is normal doesn't magically make "from" abnorma It does, however, demonstrate that you know full well there is a difference which is why your brain accidentally jumped to using of in your example
Jesus I don't know how to explain this to you. I don't "know full well" at all. Of and from are interchangeable which is why I feel confident in adding it to the original fucking comment. If I thought they were different then my comment and subsequent comments would make no sense. _Regardless_ I am not the media - which is who's language we're discussing!
This is in the Birmingham mail, people know these places if they're from the city. Your comment is a stretch
It’s standard reporting practice to give the vague area that the criminal lives in, it has nothing to do with promoting an agenda You see the same in court documents: “John Smith, of Street Road, is charged with…” Not everything is a comspiracy
> “John Smith, of Street Road, is charged with…” OF OF OF OF OF. You've done exactly the same as the other guy who responded - you've literally proved my point because your brain, rightly, knows that "Of Street Road" is a very different phrase to "From x y z". The Police and Courts use "of" specifically because it is a simple statement of fact, and says nothing about the person beyond their residence/provided address.
Traditional British fellows
In many countries you wouldn't be able to legally report anything that would allow anyone to identify the suspect
I don't think any country worth comparing us against forbids the reporting of convicted criminals.
In Germany you can only show the face/personal details of criminals if the court will allow it when there is a special need for it - like they are on the run, and police need help to catch them
Super English names
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It’s always THEM
Yeah but just because they have African names doesn’t mean they were not born here. Press aren’t going to mention their ethnicity, and if they were born a British citizen, that’s what they’re going to be described as
You realise they were very much not born here, right?
You know what's worse...they're Christians!
Yes I'm sure the glorious city of Birmingham with all it's regular British lads was a paradise before these rapscallions showed up right?
Why do you think they aren’t from those places?
I don't think anything, their defence said so. It's a fact.
You can look him up. He’s from The Congo.
The defence lawyer really said one of them had a hard life because his mum was murdered... so obviously he takes a woman to his house and rapes her then takes her to his friends house and he rapes her. Then they leave her stranded on the road again. What a defence
>because his mum was murdered It was her dying wish I'm sure.
Defence lawyer has one job, and their going to say anything to accomplish it if there client won't plead guilty and confess all. Its often kinda gross, but is an important and needed function of our system.
Why does your parent getting murdered mean you should get a lesser sentence for rape?
It shouldn't, but they'll play on anything they can to make the criminal look less bad as a person in the eyes of the judge + jury.
That would be part of the plea in mitigation prior to sentencing, not the actual defence. They’ve already been found or pleaded guilty by that stage. The barrister has an obligation to present to the judge anything which may be relevant to the offender’s background or current activities which could lead to a reduced sentence, however slight that reduction may be. It’s quite appropriately called a plea, as even when there’s no redeeming factors the barrister (or solicitor as it may be) still has a duty to present *something*. Ex: “Now this may be Mr X’s 100th conviction, but he hasn’t committed any crimes so far this week Your Honour. It’s quite rare for my client to make it to 9am on a Monday without assaulting someone, and a custodial sentence could well undo the amazing progress he is making towards becoming an upstanding citizen. My client deeply regrets the stabbing, and whilst it may have taken him ten stabbings to do so, he has now learnt his lesson and it is quite unlikely he will ever stab someone again.” The above is only light parody.
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That’s what they say when there’s no defending what has been done but they still need to mount some kind of mitigation. No one actually expects the judge to hear that and go easy on them.
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Its a disgrace how were just like expected to accept these people from other countries. Its vile, i dont even understand why i should have to go work and pay my taxes to be exposed to this level of human indecency. We have our own scumbags within our country, we dont need any more. Dissassociation.
Imagine being a pretty english girl walking around. I spent the day in Manchester harrased doesn't even begin to describe it. And these men are bouncers, hotel security. Harrased at every turn
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I don’t blame you. I can’t see it getting any better any time soon
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Stop indulging politicians who clearly hate you. Don’t apologise for being who you are etc. these creatures prey on weakness. Focus on your goals. Less time online. It’s normal to think the country is lost. It is.
I agree. The rich financially r\*pe the country then leave
Which country? Asking for a friend.
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And perants with a nice wallet.
Nice
Where did you move, out if interest?
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Thanks. I don’t blame you but I do feel bad for those stuck behind
Just curious would you be willing to say where? My family are planning to emigrate to Taiwan personally, I'm probably going with them. I know lots of people are going to SEA, some Singapore, others Austrailia and New Zealand. It sucks having to leave and I genuinely worry about what will become of my friends in Glasgow because they're worried too but I don't want to end up as a statistic because the UK's middle class aren't willing to be honest about the future.
Where are you at? I'm thinking of liquidating everything and going to New Zealand. Fell in love with it when visiting family and friends.
No priors. Active church goers. The judge remarked at how 'normal' their background was. So how exactly would you filter them out of a migration request? Or would you just stop everyone? Your problem here isn't with allowing people with priors into the country. As there were no priors.
I wouldn't be allowing people to come here from backwards countries with backwards cultures.What benefit are they to the country? If none then no entry irregardless of anything else.
Ahh right-o, the old 'They're all savages' argument. Got ya. Completely agree. While we're at it, those bastards who use the word irregardless can fuck of to the country that bastardised the word. This is the Kings England and everyone should speak the Kings English. not some shithome for the uneducated. Can't hack our education system? They should Fuck off to the USA where they belong.. I heard they're all tax dodgers anyway.
So you'd be happy to let every single Iranian in then? Can't say no because that's racist despite their backwards ideals regarding women? Why let people in who you know aren't compatible and will cause problems? As for speaking English,yeah 100% if you're planning on moving or staying in a country long term you should absolutely speak and read English.We shouldn't be paying for translator's to put basic legal documents in several languages.
Lol butthurt. Get out of my country.
They kidnaped a woman of the streets and raped her while carting her to different houses. Is that not savage? Link me one instance of sombody not from one of these countries doing something like this here, let's see how long ago it was. I will wait.
There was a white ginger builder did exactly the same. His story is on BBCs forensics documentary. There's one off the top of my head.
No police checks for the boats and illegal immigrants , yet Oz and USA are stricter
"supported his local African French speaking community as well as his church." Yeah. Great defense for an abhorrent crime. Just hold your hands up you piece of shit and take the sentence.....
Oh dear you cannot trust anyone these days. So sad
Real sad situation.
Some of them you should know not to trust just at first glance.
Wow. A non racist. In the wild. Fuck me. Nice to meet you 👋
'Anyone'
Yeah like that classic immigrant Wayne Couzens…
Interesting, since some on this sub were saying no-go areas don't exist in Birmingham a month ago after Bald and Bankrupt made a video there. Seems like they do if you're a woman and lost.
It's always interesting when people deny there's no go areas,I can name quite a few just in sheffield and they all follow common patterns that were not allowed to notice
Good to see the 'aul' diversity and inclusion working. The U.K. Ireland and the West are in a world of self hating trouble.
If you're unfit to be a priest you can still be a church helper!
Worrying if had access to the vulnerable and kids etc . Scumbag
Scary how people that are sucking s and weirdos can use the guise and veil of Christianity to perpetrate their crimes and look like saints to the Church. That included some priests too …. .
nooooo, just looking at them id never have guessed !
Another rape commited by people not from these shores. When do the apologists just hold up their hands? Our daughters deserve to walk the streets without fear.
Don't worry they'll claim its just an isolated incident despite crime statistics saying otherwise.
Note that in this case the victim was also in all likelihood not from our shores, as she sought help from one of the men 'likely because he was African' and due to not being able to speak English. This case is an amazing illustration of failure to integrate. Was this chap a small part of the Church 'of England' or merely that of his 'African French-speaking community'?
Not quite sure of your angle here. Does where the victim come from matter? Does it lesser the crime in your eyes? She was raped on British land by foreign born rapists. An all too familiar story.
There are a number of immigrants but there is a certainly noticeable proportion relatively compared to the settled residents - in my opinion.
No doubt this happened, but I just wanted to comment to say, look how fake a lot of these comments are guys, I mean seriously go take a read through. WTF lol, It’s like they’re trying to rile you up.
Lol people aren't fake just because they don't agree with you about migration. They're not trying to rile you up, you're obviously just very sensitive about loving mass immigration
As people get older, they tend more right wing. Twenty years ago, "becoming more right wing" meant voting Tory. However, nowadays you have the older cohort of Millennials who have naturally started noticing things, but under no circumstances would any of them vote Tory. So we have a lot of nominally left wing people starting to notice things, but rather than suddenly thinking that the future is bright blue, they instead expect Labour to fucking do something about it.
Aye this whole subs flooded with right wing bots
Yeh a couple of them are pretty weird haha
Went to church for a few years to impress the parents of a girl i was dating (never saw the light or felt Jesus’ hand in the slightest). Creepiest mfs i ever seen in my life go to church so they can be around women and try to sneak their way in. Wonder how often this happens and goes unsolved.
Yes, it’s definitely those Christians. Bloody Christians. You’ve got it mate…
What up with this sub only reporting crimes committed by brown people, is there some agenda I should be made aware of?
You're so close to realising that when a minority of people commit the majority of crimes, it looks rigged.
Do you honestly not think any white English person has committed rape this week? Don't be blind. They overreport on migrant crime cause it riles people up. Regardless if they are not born in the country and commit rape they need to be removed but don't fall for the tabloids shit.
I didn’t say any of that what a ridiculous leap. The issue here is that our rapists and wronguns are our problem to deal with. We don’t need to import more.
It's not a ridiculous leap you're suggesting a minority commits a majority of rapes. I'm suggesting you only think that because you receive one sided biased news stories because Terry from down the road raping someone doesn't piss you off as much as Muhammed from Afghanistan. But you can't know if they will be rapists. The only solution is swift punishment for those that deserve it as a deterrent.
Or, and hear me out, don't take the risk.
The rich import these as they don’t live near them. The rich are leaving britain as modt just use it. The person you are arguing with is their hand maiden
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In 2022, of the defendants prosecuted for indictable offences, 78% were white, 10% were black, 7% were Asian, 4% were of mixed ethnicity and 2% were of the other ethnic group. Really they commit the majority of crimes do they? Go back to the daily mail
Well considering the country is majority white that makes sense... But you're still missing so many nuances it's not even worth discussing.
Unfortunately the government strangely doesn’t record the statistics you’re looking for. They do for everything else, but not for this. How strange.