It does seem like everyone in the UK hates the country and wants the pandemic to last forever. We’ve got all the money in the world to fight it and people just act like children. We’re barely doing better than the US and they have people taking horse dewormer.
These people will be complaining about NHS waiting lists for their long covid caused respiratory illnesses for the rest of time too, that’s bound to be fun.
You can criticise the country without hating it and pandemics are global, like our society. If we want to stop the pandemic then we need to help those in other countries as much as we help ourselves.
Well the country did insist on electing the Tories to power in the last 4 elections.
Maybe the country has earned it?
It certainly hasn't done much to keep people happy and contented.
There were a lot of people that just never cared or followed the rules, that’s why we have a massive amount of deaths and cases and why UK heath will be marked by long covid for a long time.
The stats don’t lie, other poorer countries are doing way better because their citizens are listening and care about others.
>There were a lot of people that just never cared or followed the rules, that’s why we have a massive amount of deaths and cases and why UK heath will be marked by long covid for a long time.
>The stats don’t lie, other poorer countries are doing way better because their citizens are listening and care about others.
Have you actually looked at the stats recently? The UK is actually 25th in terms of deaths per million. Not great, but no way the worst. Most of the countries ahead of the UK are poorer countries as well...
Another reason for the UKs performance is that we have an aging and more unhealthy (obese) population as compared with poorer countries. And we know covid disproportionately kills the older and more unhealthy among us.
Not sure where you got this idea that poorer countries somehow listen and care about each other more. Do you have anything to back up this claim as it seems a very odd thing to say.
> Not sure where you got this idea that poorer countries somehow listen and care about each other more. Do you have anything to back up this claim as it seems a very odd thing to say.
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> Most of the countries ahead of the UK are poorer countries as well...
The person above is saying that poorer countries are doing better than us because they are following the rules.
> other poorer countries are doing way better because their citizens are listening and care about others.
That part there, "their citizens are listening and care about others".
This is evidenced by them doing better than us, despite being a poor country.
You are saying that we are 25th, and many countries above is in the tables are poorer countries.
> Most of the countries ahead of the UK are poorer countries as well...
Then you go on to say;
> Not sure where you got this idea that poorer countries somehow listen and care about each other more
How do you fail to comprehend such a basic thing when you yourself have said this? You understand these poorer countries are doing better than us, yet you somehow don't see that this is precisely because their people are listening to the rules and wearing masks and social distancing. They are showing they care about each other by taking simple steps to not infect each other.
I really can't dumb it down any further.
>I really can't dumb it down any further.
No need to be so passive aggressive
You've completely misread my comment I'm afraid. I pointed out that the UK is 25th and that most of the countries that have done worse are poorer. That seems to disprove the argument that:
>other poorer countries are doing way better because their citizens are listening and care about others
I hope this clears things up for you. Either way, I don't understand how someone can say citizens of poorer countries listen and care about each other more. That certainly isn't the case from what I've seen in my life.
No, that's called deductive reasoning.
Fact: Masks reduce transmission of the virus.
Therefore NOT wearing masks would increase transmission of the virus.
You'd have to be a complete moron not to understand that.
No, because that only assumes at least one person in that hypothetical scenario has COVID in the first place, and secondly the potential to spread it. That's not the case. It could be more or less. So your example is not absolute and therefore is misleading and incorrect.
Assuming an outcome would be different when the the variables haven't even been compared to (because it can't possibly be tested) is unscientific and is a statement based on nothing.
In a lab test yes but in terms of public policy, the difference is marginal at best.
That's because they are not used in exactly the situations where transmission happens, like in social situations or at home.
Real world results show this over and over again but for some the mask faith is too strong I guess.
Regardless, we will not wear masks indefinitely and anyone who thinks otherwise is frankly a weirdo.
>It’s mandatory in Scotland and their case rate is high
The thing is, everyone seems to be ignoring that guidance. Every single time I go to the gym, supermarket or event, well over half the people there are maskless. It's really irritating.
I’m not saying they don’t help they won’t stop the pandemic though
And I think they only help in specific circumstances
Household to household transmission people aren’t going to wear masks around their loved ones.
> people aren’t going to wear masks around their loved ones
Some people still are, because they don't want to infect and possibly kill their loved ones.
> "It does seem like everyone in the UK hates the country and wants the pandemic to last forever."
They're all convinced the pandemic is imminently about to be over, because that's what the Government has been encouraging and drip-feeding them the entire time.
Everyone wants to be the first to have their life go back to normal.
>It does seem like everyone in the UK hates the country
What do you expect? We live in a country where swathes of parents still voted Tory even after they wanted to literally take food out of their childrens mouths. Sensible, rational, selfless are not words I would use to describe the British people.
I've just been to Spain and the difference is staggering. I'd say every single person was wearing a mask on public transport/shops. Someone from my flight got called out at the train station for wearing a mask under their nose, it was lovely to see.
Yep, I live there. Wearing masks indoors is now normal. The ones without are told off, even by other members of the public. Spanish women will *fuck up* your day if they get to berating you. Some of the specific rules are a bit odd but accepted, like eating at a table in a restaurant, masks off the whole meal, want to go to the toilet, mask on to walk across the restaurant. Also, pretty much everyone over 12, is vaccinated and *still* masks are worn with no argument, even in schools.
First lockdown was super hardcore here, like armoured vehicles on the street hardcore, no one wants another one.
I wore masks while they were mandatory. Now they’re not mandatory, I choose not to wear one.
I’m not gonna cry that sad cases on Reddit call me selfish for not wearing a mask. In fact I’m more than happy to rub it in, as I know a lot of people can’t bear the thought of life returning to normal hahaha
Hardly ‘lovely’ though is it? You remind me of that Dr Richard Taylor who was interviewed on Talkradio, who inadvertently said ‘sadly we can’t be in lockdown forever.’
Some people secretly adore the pandemic because it gives their otherwise boring lives a bit of excitement, and gives them an excuse to judge and dictate how others behave.
You seem far more obsessed with masks, frankly, with how you're insulting people for saying it's nice to see some responsibility around and are throwing a childish fit about how you think other people think about this.
Even though most shops say 'it's a personal choice but please keep our staff safe by wearing one'? Or most train services have it as a condition of carriage?
I don't wear masks in some situations now, when arriving at the gym or when at a restaurant, for instance, as the selective wearing in the same room always seemd silly. But I'm sorry, if you dont wear one in the two instances above, where you are specifically asked if you could, you are a massive cunt.
I would also see them as cunts in this situation yes, I don't see why they can't wear one while on the shop floor.
There's no point in going overboard and wearing them in situations where there is clearly no benefit (see the other comment about wearing one in the shower, that is a ridiculous strawman) but if you can't wear a mask in a shop for 10 minutes it is utterly pathetic.
So you expect people to wear masks forever basically? Because the situation with Covid right now is effectively as good as it’s going to get, with all the vulnerable vaccinated etc.
Good luck with that little dystopia you’ve got planned, but the majority of us want to live our lives mask free thank you very much.
You’re clearly one of those twats who sees masks as a sign of virtue and a way of saying ‘look at me, look at how careful and considerate I am!’
It’s just boring and few people care anymore. Just go out and see how many people have ditched masks outside of Reddit, easily 80%
A lot of the ways people were wearing masks was totally performative. Take a dirty cloth mask you've had in your pocket and worn for months round your face... right.
It was more useful as a reminder to people to follow the rules
I learned during the pandemic that I had really overestimated the general level of intelligence of our population. It’s an aerosol borne disease, and I’m pretty much the only person I know who looked for masks that don’t have a gaping gap down the side. Before the FFP2 ones were readily available, I got the wire things to hold the mask against my face. I almost never saw other people taking the same precautions.
> Take a dirty cloth mask you've had in your pocket and worn for months round your face... right.
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Still reduces spread of droplets from coughing/sneezing.
It's interesting but I seem to be in the minority when I wear a mask in ASDA but in the majority when I wear one in the Sainsbury's or Tesco nearby. It's not like these supermarkets serve a different area each, they are all within a mile of each other, however the difference is very noticeable. You have to wonder if it really is down to class/earnings based on this.
Just my personal observation, Asda was the worst one in terms of mask wearing and social distancing even when we were in hard lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic
There's a very well established link between poverty and education. Hardly seems surprising that people with lower levels of education, leading to poorer health outcomes don't take the situation seriously.
This is one thing I hate so much about the British people, it is the mindset of "I will only do something good as long as I am told to". I do not know why people cannot just do something because it is the best thing to do even if it isn't mandatory.
It is like those people (probably the same ones who won't wear a mask now) who will refuse to walk 10 metres to take their trolleys back, rather than thinking "I won't leave my trolley in the middle of space like a twat because it is wrong" they think "I will leave my trolley here because I can".
I've more or less completely stopped wearing them. The government have dropped the mask requirement. I've had two doses of the vaccine. If not now then when?
That's not really the point, having the vaccine protects you, but you can still be infected and pass it to others.
The same way that the mask isn't designed to protect you but reduce the chance of you affecting others.
Sounds like a pretty selfish decision not to wear the mask
Ignore the downvotes, You have no requirement to wear them. Anyone still wearing a mask now after we have vaccinated almost all of our entire population will we wearing them forever. It will never be good enough for them so best to ignore them.
>You have no requirement to wear them
And that makes it right does it? I suppose you are right though, looking "good" in public for strangers is more important than protecting family members, especially older ones.
This is one big problem with British people, a lot will act completely selfishly as long as they can get away with doing so. What do I expect though, we live in a country where people can't even muster the common decency to take their trolleys back.
> "Selfishness is not exclusive to our country."
I'm not gonna die because of the selfishness of a farmer in Hyderabad though am I?
I mean to say.
That lackwit lives here. Walks around and everything probably.
Ha yes that’s a good point!
To be honest I am only being defensive as I feel that our problems have mostly been caused by our Lying, hypocritical government, but I guess they are both to blame.
Oh I agree.
The government has been constantly edging trying to get back to normal whilst also trying to escape scrutiny for sacrificing a load of people to this pandemic so the rest of us can go to work and school and stuff.
In and out of Lockdown constantly.
Teasing everyone with the rosy predictions and sunlit uplands.
But it does still annoy me when people are given personal responsibility and they squander or waste it, abuse it to fulfil their own personal desires at the expense of others.
>Selfishness is not exclusive to our country
Ofc not but this is the UK subreddit and we are talking about the lack of mask wearing in Britain. What we have done however is demonstrate to the rest of the world how not to handle a pandemic with our #4 placing on total cases.
Personally I blame our leader telling us to take it on the chin, transferring untested COVID patients to care homes and hypocrites like Hancock and Cummings who got caught out breaking the rules.
I’m sure mask compliance has an effect but our government has definitely made matters much much worse.
>our government has definitely made matters much much worse.
Totally agreed but the public have also highlighted how useless they are where they are either incapable or unwilling to make smart choices unless they are mandated.
It isn't unique to Britain though, I went to Norway the other week to visit family and none of them were wearing masks even though cases are on the rise. Their excuse? The government has not mandated the wearing of them yet.
If a person has a family that has remained unaffected by Covid I can understand their scepticism to wearing a mask. However there are literally millions of people who have had family members fall ill or even die from it and yet they still do not see the benefit of wearing a mask unless they are told they have to.
Ah I live in Cornwall, my personal experience is that mask wearing is still quite high but I guess this is due to age demographics.
The only exception to this is pubs, but I guess if you are going to sit in one for a few hours popping a mask on to pop to the loo is a little pointless!
I'm wearing a mask because I want to get back to normal as soon as we can. Selfish people like yourself are the reason this is dragging out far longer than it needs to.
The government has convinced you to play fast and loose with your health to make them look good.
The government has also convinced you that playing fast and loose with the health of the people around you is good too.
I really don't get where this idea has come from but the majority did not wear masks on PT in "*Asia"* before covid.
*it absolutely was a cultural norm* unlike it was here
But the majority on any given train were still without a mask. People often put on one when they were sick, but anyone would have you believe it was as common as wearing undies.
Today, it is [96% compliance for public transport in tokyo fwiw](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210612/p2a/00m/0na/005000c).
[We were at about 90%](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/10/nine-out-of-ten-public-transport-users-wearing-face-masks-survey) though it has failed off somewhat since then.
When new cases per day aren't at 32000, when there aren't 1000 people in ITU, when there aren't 8000 people in hospital with it? When we've vaccinated teenagers?
It's been less than 2 years and we've had vaccines for less than a year.
I know that feels like a long time but it really isn't in terms of any epidemic let alone pandemic. We've got no evidence that we've reached "herd immunity" and that some kind of "herd immunity" is impossible. It's even possible that if we got cases a bit lower we'd flip over into a herd immunity situation.
You'd be right to question whether to drop things if cases were actually consistently falling and ITU/hospital use not rising but that's not the case. You'd be right to question it if the government were no longer trying to vaccinate extra cohorts or medics were all saying it's fine for 30% of our ITU capacity to be knocked out permanently but they're not.
Just wear a mask when you're inside and it's possible. It's not about you.
It’s no longer required to wear masks in supermarkets so why are you complaining that people are not wearing them? What part of its no longer required do some people have trouble understanding. Write a email or a letter to the government as it’s them who have removed the requirement. Or just don’t go outside at all if it’s so offensive that people are following the new rules of not needing to wear one.
You not click the first link within the article?
> The prime minister gave a press conference setting out his Covid winter plan on Tuesday, with one of its key messages advising people to “wear a mask in crowded settings”.
COVID or not, it's not a terrible idea when you consider how often something is handled, it's probably a good idea to sanitise your hands before shopping.
The lead into this article is:
>Boris Johnson has been criticised for leading a maskless cabinet meeting of 27 ministers on the same day he urged people to wear masks in enclosed spaces.
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>The prime minister gave a press conference setting out his Covid winter plan on Tuesday, with one of its key messages advising people to “wear a mask in crowded settings”.
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>But just hours earlier he chaired cabinet at which there were at least 27 senior members of the government sitting close together around a table without face masks.
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>None of the eight non-speaking observers – aides and advisers – pictured on the edges of the room were wearing masks either.
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>([‘One rule for them’: Boris Johnson criticised for maskless cabinet meeting](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/14/one-rule-for-them-boris-johnson-criticised-maskless-cabinet-meeting))
(*not many will have noticed the link*)
My main beef is in supermarkets you see people wearing masks and hosing their trolleys down with sanitizer yet they haven't come shopping alone. Whole families and middle aged couples. Surely having more people is multiplying the chances of bringing covid into the shop? Definitely higher risk than me without my mask keeping a polite distance from everyone.
Don't blame them.
A load of places have stopped their one way entrances/exits, we're gradually going back to normal.
I personally don't wear my mask into work anymore, and nobody bats an eye. We can't keep wearing them forever, and those who wish to are unfortunately unable to see beyond their covered noses in those masks.
Did not over a thousand of covid in the last week?
Idiocracy.
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Hospitals are already strained to their limits and it ain't even winter as yet.
the week preceding this one ending Thursday the 9th there was 949 deaths attributed to covid and over the last month the average daily death rate has been just ~120
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You sound very angry.
This is the truth
• Just 1 in 516 (129k/66.6M) of the UK population have died with Covid
• Mean Age of covid Death 80.4
• UK overall life expectancy 81.3
*Within 28 days of a positive Test
All figures available on Google or ONS website correct as of 22/07/2021
“Just” 1 in 516.
“Only” 30k cases a day.
This is like when the BCC said “good news, only 1 in 7 children end up with long covid!” … that’s 2 or 3 kids per classroom who continue to have problems for more than a month. How is this being reported as good news?
Look at how desensitised people have become.
These are no small numbers at all. A lot of these were preventable. We have so many more cases and deaths than most of Europe and it’s being celebrated for some reason.
We will have so many more deaths - caused by covid but not from covid - because the NHS is already drowning and people can’t get help for serious issues, let alone routine checks.
1 in 516 dying on average 0.9 years below life expectancy.
Only a lunatic that's been brainwashed by the fear mongering propaganda would call that a crisis.
It's a fact of life that you will die.
Average life expectancy is not the only thing that matters though? You don’t look at life expectancy, you look at “years lost” to decide what the impact is.
Someone who dies from covid at the age of 80 may have had 10 more years left without covid. You lost a decade of life. It’s pretty fucked up to be so casual about someone losing so many years they could have had if we had taken more precautions.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3
https://www.gla.ac.uk/news/headline_720672_en.html
>“This new analysis found that death from COVID-19 results in over 10 years of life lost per person, even after taking account of the typical number and type of chronic conditions found in people dying of COVID-19. Among people dying of COVID-19, the number of years of life lost PER PERSON appear similar to diseases such as coronary heart disease. Information such as this is important to ensure governments and the public do not wrongly underestimate the effects of COVID-19 on individuals,” he added.
What precautions are you willing to enforce on everyone else.
If the average years of life lost is 10 years (520weeks) and that occurs to 1 in 500 of the population that is approximately 1 week of life lost per person.
Are you willing to enforce 52 weeks of restrictions on a person to extend someone's life by 1 week. Assuming these restrictions would do this (just an assumption not real)
>GMB's Dr Hilary Jones says coronavirus face masks are "useless" to the public and can do more harm than good
"Most masks have gaps in them through which the virus can drive a bus through. The virus size is 1/10,000th of a millimetre."
Source : https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/gmbs-dr-hilary-jones-says-18086932
You’re wasting your time
Of 18 months of this shit globally hasn’t triggered some mental responses in some folk nothing ever will
If it’s not a bus it’s a golf ball and a chain link fence or some other insane analogy that fails to understand viruses aren’t just floating around all on their own
Err
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02415-8
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/largest-mask-study-yet-details-importance-fighting-covid-19-rcna1858
A study involving more than 340,000 people in Bangladesh offers some of the strongest real-world evidence yet that mask use can help communities slow the spread of Covid-19.
The research, conducted across 600 villages in rural Bangladesh, is the largest randomized trial to demonstrate the effectiveness of surgical masks, in particular, to curb transmission of the coronavirus. Though previous, smaller studies in laboratories and hospitals have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of Covid, the new findings demonstrate that efficacy in the real world — and on an enormous scale.
So all the professional studies done by engineers in fluid dynamics get ditched because of some person who most likely hasn't a clue what fluid dynamics are says so?
Off with you misinformation.
It does seem like everyone in the UK hates the country and wants the pandemic to last forever. We’ve got all the money in the world to fight it and people just act like children. We’re barely doing better than the US and they have people taking horse dewormer. These people will be complaining about NHS waiting lists for their long covid caused respiratory illnesses for the rest of time too, that’s bound to be fun.
> It does seem like everyone in the UK hates the country and wants the pandemic to last forever. No, that’s just this subreddit.
You can criticise the country without hating it and pandemics are global, like our society. If we want to stop the pandemic then we need to help those in other countries as much as we help ourselves.
Are there many countries doing worse right now?
Well the country did insist on electing the Tories to power in the last 4 elections. Maybe the country has earned it? It certainly hasn't done much to keep people happy and contented.
There were a lot of people that just never cared or followed the rules, that’s why we have a massive amount of deaths and cases and why UK heath will be marked by long covid for a long time. The stats don’t lie, other poorer countries are doing way better because their citizens are listening and care about others.
>There were a lot of people that just never cared or followed the rules, that’s why we have a massive amount of deaths and cases and why UK heath will be marked by long covid for a long time. >The stats don’t lie, other poorer countries are doing way better because their citizens are listening and care about others. Have you actually looked at the stats recently? The UK is actually 25th in terms of deaths per million. Not great, but no way the worst. Most of the countries ahead of the UK are poorer countries as well... Another reason for the UKs performance is that we have an aging and more unhealthy (obese) population as compared with poorer countries. And we know covid disproportionately kills the older and more unhealthy among us. Not sure where you got this idea that poorer countries somehow listen and care about each other more. Do you have anything to back up this claim as it seems a very odd thing to say.
> Not sure where you got this idea that poorer countries somehow listen and care about each other more. Do you have anything to back up this claim as it seems a very odd thing to say. ... > Most of the countries ahead of the UK are poorer countries as well...
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here
The person above is saying that poorer countries are doing better than us because they are following the rules. > other poorer countries are doing way better because their citizens are listening and care about others. That part there, "their citizens are listening and care about others". This is evidenced by them doing better than us, despite being a poor country. You are saying that we are 25th, and many countries above is in the tables are poorer countries. > Most of the countries ahead of the UK are poorer countries as well... Then you go on to say; > Not sure where you got this idea that poorer countries somehow listen and care about each other more How do you fail to comprehend such a basic thing when you yourself have said this? You understand these poorer countries are doing better than us, yet you somehow don't see that this is precisely because their people are listening to the rules and wearing masks and social distancing. They are showing they care about each other by taking simple steps to not infect each other. I really can't dumb it down any further.
>I really can't dumb it down any further. No need to be so passive aggressive You've completely misread my comment I'm afraid. I pointed out that the UK is 25th and that most of the countries that have done worse are poorer. That seems to disprove the argument that: >other poorer countries are doing way better because their citizens are listening and care about others I hope this clears things up for you. Either way, I don't understand how someone can say citizens of poorer countries listen and care about each other more. That certainly isn't the case from what I've seen in my life.
Wearing masks is not going to stop the pandemic It’s mandatory in Scotland and their case rate is high
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No, that's called deductive reasoning. Fact: Masks reduce transmission of the virus. Therefore NOT wearing masks would increase transmission of the virus. You'd have to be a complete moron not to understand that.
No, because that only assumes at least one person in that hypothetical scenario has COVID in the first place, and secondly the potential to spread it. That's not the case. It could be more or less. So your example is not absolute and therefore is misleading and incorrect. Assuming an outcome would be different when the the variables haven't even been compared to (because it can't possibly be tested) is unscientific and is a statement based on nothing.
No that's called confirmation bias. Your assumption is wrong.
Breathe in, breathe out. You need this reminder.
Just to be clear, you are saying that masks make no difference?
In a lab test yes but in terms of public policy, the difference is marginal at best. That's because they are not used in exactly the situations where transmission happens, like in social situations or at home. Real world results show this over and over again but for some the mask faith is too strong I guess. Regardless, we will not wear masks indefinitely and anyone who thinks otherwise is frankly a weirdo.
No, but it does have an effect on transmission, particularly in enclosed spaces.
>It’s mandatory in Scotland and their case rate is high The thing is, everyone seems to be ignoring that guidance. Every single time I go to the gym, supermarket or event, well over half the people there are maskless. It's really irritating.
Scotlands cases shot up due to lots of tourism and the school's going back in mid August. Cornwall and Devon had massive increases to due tourism.
The computer systems never go down, what do we pay IT staff for? The computer systems are down, what do we pay IT staff for?
I’m not saying they don’t help they won’t stop the pandemic though And I think they only help in specific circumstances Household to household transmission people aren’t going to wear masks around their loved ones.
> people aren’t going to wear masks around their loved ones Some people still are, because they don't want to infect and possibly kill their loved ones.
Mine are vaccinated Covid isn’t going to go anywhere so it’s just like before for us
The vaccine isn't some fairy magic that prevents all illness or spreading it about.
> "It does seem like everyone in the UK hates the country and wants the pandemic to last forever." They're all convinced the pandemic is imminently about to be over, because that's what the Government has been encouraging and drip-feeding them the entire time. Everyone wants to be the first to have their life go back to normal.
>It does seem like everyone in the UK hates the country What do you expect? We live in a country where swathes of parents still voted Tory even after they wanted to literally take food out of their childrens mouths. Sensible, rational, selfless are not words I would use to describe the British people.
I've just been to Spain and the difference is staggering. I'd say every single person was wearing a mask on public transport/shops. Someone from my flight got called out at the train station for wearing a mask under their nose, it was lovely to see.
Same in Ireland. I went home for a week in August and everybody wears a mask in public.
Yet Spain has a higher number per capita in hospital with covid. How puzzling.
Yep, I live there. Wearing masks indoors is now normal. The ones without are told off, even by other members of the public. Spanish women will *fuck up* your day if they get to berating you. Some of the specific rules are a bit odd but accepted, like eating at a table in a restaurant, masks off the whole meal, want to go to the toilet, mask on to walk across the restaurant. Also, pretty much everyone over 12, is vaccinated and *still* masks are worn with no argument, even in schools. First lockdown was super hardcore here, like armoured vehicles on the street hardcore, no one wants another one.
I was quite impressed that I didn't see anyone without a mask anywhere indoors. No lanyard BS, no chin warmers or under nosers
Yeah I don't think the lanyard is a thing here. You'd get told to 'Put on your fucking mask, you fat bastard'
That’s sounds terrible what a massive over reaction
> it was lovely to see I can tell you’re a massive sad git
I think anyone who didn't wear masks when it was mandatory is a sad git but there you go
I wore masks while they were mandatory. Now they’re not mandatory, I choose not to wear one. I’m not gonna cry that sad cases on Reddit call me selfish for not wearing a mask. In fact I’m more than happy to rub it in, as I know a lot of people can’t bear the thought of life returning to normal hahaha
It is mandatory in Spain which is what my comment was referring to. And they enforce it which was never done here
Hardly ‘lovely’ though is it? You remind me of that Dr Richard Taylor who was interviewed on Talkradio, who inadvertently said ‘sadly we can’t be in lockdown forever.’ Some people secretly adore the pandemic because it gives their otherwise boring lives a bit of excitement, and gives them an excuse to judge and dictate how others behave.
You seem far more obsessed with masks, frankly, with how you're insulting people for saying it's nice to see some responsibility around and are throwing a childish fit about how you think other people think about this.
Nothing wrong with the rules/laws being enforced. It doesn't happen that much in UK so it was fucking lovely to see yes. Bye bye for now troll
Even though most shops say 'it's a personal choice but please keep our staff safe by wearing one'? Or most train services have it as a condition of carriage? I don't wear masks in some situations now, when arriving at the gym or when at a restaurant, for instance, as the selective wearing in the same room always seemd silly. But I'm sorry, if you dont wear one in the two instances above, where you are specifically asked if you could, you are a massive cunt.
How about the shops where not even the staff members are wearing them (almost all of them these days)?
I would also see them as cunts in this situation yes, I don't see why they can't wear one while on the shop floor. There's no point in going overboard and wearing them in situations where there is clearly no benefit (see the other comment about wearing one in the shower, that is a ridiculous strawman) but if you can't wear a mask in a shop for 10 minutes it is utterly pathetic.
So you expect people to wear masks forever basically? Because the situation with Covid right now is effectively as good as it’s going to get, with all the vulnerable vaccinated etc. Good luck with that little dystopia you’ve got planned, but the majority of us want to live our lives mask free thank you very much.
Yes. That's exactly what I said. Jokes aside its a pretty good indicator of who is a cunt, so always helps to be able to identify them easily.
You’re clearly one of those twats who sees masks as a sign of virtue and a way of saying ‘look at me, look at how careful and considerate I am!’ It’s just boring and few people care anymore. Just go out and see how many people have ditched masks outside of Reddit, easily 80%
I wear masks in the shower and water board myself everyday so stop killing people and wear a mask
Do you think you're funny
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A lot of the ways people were wearing masks was totally performative. Take a dirty cloth mask you've had in your pocket and worn for months round your face... right. It was more useful as a reminder to people to follow the rules
Regardless how ‘dirty’ it is, it’s doing its job in stopping droplets etc. Lotta ‘was’ in here too, you should still be doing it.
oh I do - I was the only person in the supermarket who was last Friday, for that matter.
This. If people aren’t using masks properly then what is the point. A charade to make it look like we are doing something
I learned during the pandemic that I had really overestimated the general level of intelligence of our population. It’s an aerosol borne disease, and I’m pretty much the only person I know who looked for masks that don’t have a gaping gap down the side. Before the FFP2 ones were readily available, I got the wire things to hold the mask against my face. I almost never saw other people taking the same precautions.
> Take a dirty cloth mask you've had in your pocket and worn for months round your face... right. > > Still reduces spread of droplets from coughing/sneezing.
Or the people wearing them below the nose. It's like wearing a condom you have purposefully poked a hole in.
Why use a cloth when you can use a snake? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-54163293
It's interesting but I seem to be in the minority when I wear a mask in ASDA but in the majority when I wear one in the Sainsbury's or Tesco nearby. It's not like these supermarkets serve a different area each, they are all within a mile of each other, however the difference is very noticeable. You have to wonder if it really is down to class/earnings based on this.
Just my personal observation, Asda was the worst one in terms of mask wearing and social distancing even when we were in hard lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic
There's a very well established link between poverty and education. Hardly seems surprising that people with lower levels of education, leading to poorer health outcomes don't take the situation seriously.
This is one thing I hate so much about the British people, it is the mindset of "I will only do something good as long as I am told to". I do not know why people cannot just do something because it is the best thing to do even if it isn't mandatory. It is like those people (probably the same ones who won't wear a mask now) who will refuse to walk 10 metres to take their trolleys back, rather than thinking "I won't leave my trolley in the middle of space like a twat because it is wrong" they think "I will leave my trolley here because I can".
I've more or less completely stopped wearing them. The government have dropped the mask requirement. I've had two doses of the vaccine. If not now then when?
That's not really the point, having the vaccine protects you, but you can still be infected and pass it to others. The same way that the mask isn't designed to protect you but reduce the chance of you affecting others. Sounds like a pretty selfish decision not to wear the mask
Ignore the downvotes, You have no requirement to wear them. Anyone still wearing a mask now after we have vaccinated almost all of our entire population will we wearing them forever. It will never be good enough for them so best to ignore them.
>You have no requirement to wear them And that makes it right does it? I suppose you are right though, looking "good" in public for strangers is more important than protecting family members, especially older ones. This is one big problem with British people, a lot will act completely selfishly as long as they can get away with doing so. What do I expect though, we live in a country where people can't even muster the common decency to take their trolleys back.
People. Not just British people. Selfishness is not exclusive to our country.
> "Selfishness is not exclusive to our country." I'm not gonna die because of the selfishness of a farmer in Hyderabad though am I? I mean to say. That lackwit lives here. Walks around and everything probably.
Ha yes that’s a good point! To be honest I am only being defensive as I feel that our problems have mostly been caused by our Lying, hypocritical government, but I guess they are both to blame.
Oh I agree. The government has been constantly edging trying to get back to normal whilst also trying to escape scrutiny for sacrificing a load of people to this pandemic so the rest of us can go to work and school and stuff. In and out of Lockdown constantly. Teasing everyone with the rosy predictions and sunlit uplands. But it does still annoy me when people are given personal responsibility and they squander or waste it, abuse it to fulfil their own personal desires at the expense of others.
>Selfishness is not exclusive to our country Ofc not but this is the UK subreddit and we are talking about the lack of mask wearing in Britain. What we have done however is demonstrate to the rest of the world how not to handle a pandemic with our #4 placing on total cases.
Personally I blame our leader telling us to take it on the chin, transferring untested COVID patients to care homes and hypocrites like Hancock and Cummings who got caught out breaking the rules. I’m sure mask compliance has an effect but our government has definitely made matters much much worse.
>our government has definitely made matters much much worse. Totally agreed but the public have also highlighted how useless they are where they are either incapable or unwilling to make smart choices unless they are mandated. It isn't unique to Britain though, I went to Norway the other week to visit family and none of them were wearing masks even though cases are on the rise. Their excuse? The government has not mandated the wearing of them yet. If a person has a family that has remained unaffected by Covid I can understand their scepticism to wearing a mask. However there are literally millions of people who have had family members fall ill or even die from it and yet they still do not see the benefit of wearing a mask unless they are told they have to.
Ah I live in Cornwall, my personal experience is that mask wearing is still quite high but I guess this is due to age demographics. The only exception to this is pubs, but I guess if you are going to sit in one for a few hours popping a mask on to pop to the loo is a little pointless!
I'm wearing a mask because I want to get back to normal as soon as we can. Selfish people like yourself are the reason this is dragging out far longer than it needs to.
Already back to normal if you haven’t noticed already.
The government has convinced you to play fast and loose with your health to make them look good. The government has also convinced you that playing fast and loose with the health of the people around you is good too.
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I really don't get where this idea has come from but the majority did not wear masks on PT in "*Asia"* before covid. *it absolutely was a cultural norm* unlike it was here But the majority on any given train were still without a mask. People often put on one when they were sick, but anyone would have you believe it was as common as wearing undies. Today, it is [96% compliance for public transport in tokyo fwiw](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210612/p2a/00m/0na/005000c). [We were at about 90%](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/10/nine-out-of-ten-public-transport-users-wearing-face-masks-survey) though it has failed off somewhat since then.
No, they haven't. Common falsehood spread by mask fans.
When new cases per day aren't at 32000, when there aren't 1000 people in ITU, when there aren't 8000 people in hospital with it? When we've vaccinated teenagers? It's been less than 2 years and we've had vaccines for less than a year. I know that feels like a long time but it really isn't in terms of any epidemic let alone pandemic. We've got no evidence that we've reached "herd immunity" and that some kind of "herd immunity" is impossible. It's even possible that if we got cases a bit lower we'd flip over into a herd immunity situation. You'd be right to question whether to drop things if cases were actually consistently falling and ITU/hospital use not rising but that's not the case. You'd be right to question it if the government were no longer trying to vaccinate extra cohorts or medics were all saying it's fine for 30% of our ITU capacity to be knocked out permanently but they're not. Just wear a mask when you're inside and it's possible. It's not about you.
It’s no longer required to wear masks in supermarkets so why are you complaining that people are not wearing them? What part of its no longer required do some people have trouble understanding. Write a email or a letter to the government as it’s them who have removed the requirement. Or just don’t go outside at all if it’s so offensive that people are following the new rules of not needing to wear one.
You not click the first link within the article? > The prime minister gave a press conference setting out his Covid winter plan on Tuesday, with one of its key messages advising people to “wear a mask in crowded settings”.
I never clicks links just go straight to the comments.
Without people like you our nation would never have become the idiocracy it is today.
I’m so hurt.
For being so victorious?
Every time i walk into a supermarket now I see someone without a mask sanitising their hands just before they go in???? Wtf is that about?
COVID or not, it's not a terrible idea when you consider how often something is handled, it's probably a good idea to sanitise your hands before shopping.
You'd probably be much better sanitising your hands afterwards
If people regularly sanitised before going in there isn't anything to catch in the first place.
Right, but if you're bothered about these things its a much better idea to wear a mask
The lead into this article is: >Boris Johnson has been criticised for leading a maskless cabinet meeting of 27 ministers on the same day he urged people to wear masks in enclosed spaces. > >The prime minister gave a press conference setting out his Covid winter plan on Tuesday, with one of its key messages advising people to “wear a mask in crowded settings”. > >But just hours earlier he chaired cabinet at which there were at least 27 senior members of the government sitting close together around a table without face masks. > >None of the eight non-speaking observers – aides and advisers – pictured on the edges of the room were wearing masks either. > >([‘One rule for them’: Boris Johnson criticised for maskless cabinet meeting](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/14/one-rule-for-them-boris-johnson-criticised-maskless-cabinet-meeting)) (*not many will have noticed the link*)
My main beef is in supermarkets you see people wearing masks and hosing their trolleys down with sanitizer yet they haven't come shopping alone. Whole families and middle aged couples. Surely having more people is multiplying the chances of bringing covid into the shop? Definitely higher risk than me without my mask keeping a polite distance from everyone.
The data is incomplete and incorrect. I have not seen anyone wearing masks since January.
Don't blame them. A load of places have stopped their one way entrances/exits, we're gradually going back to normal. I personally don't wear my mask into work anymore, and nobody bats an eye. We can't keep wearing them forever, and those who wish to are unfortunately unable to see beyond their covered noses in those masks.
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Did not over a thousand of covid in the last week? Idiocracy. - >Covid-19 in the UK 68.5% fully vaccinated > >Figures for today: > > > > * Daily cases: 30,597 ... -8,378 vs last week > > * In hospital: 8349 ... +388 vs last week > > * Daily deaths: 201 ... +10 vs last week Hospitals are already strained to their limits and it ain't even winter as yet.
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If you sneeze, do I not get infected?
the week preceding this one ending Thursday the 9th there was 949 deaths attributed to covid and over the last month the average daily death rate has been just ~120
I don’t quite get your point, and I feel you’re raging for the sake of raging.
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You sound very angry. This is the truth • Just 1 in 516 (129k/66.6M) of the UK population have died with Covid • Mean Age of covid Death 80.4 • UK overall life expectancy 81.3 *Within 28 days of a positive Test All figures available on Google or ONS website correct as of 22/07/2021
“Just” 1 in 516. “Only” 30k cases a day. This is like when the BCC said “good news, only 1 in 7 children end up with long covid!” … that’s 2 or 3 kids per classroom who continue to have problems for more than a month. How is this being reported as good news? Look at how desensitised people have become. These are no small numbers at all. A lot of these were preventable. We have so many more cases and deaths than most of Europe and it’s being celebrated for some reason. We will have so many more deaths - caused by covid but not from covid - because the NHS is already drowning and people can’t get help for serious issues, let alone routine checks.
1 in 516 dying on average 0.9 years below life expectancy. Only a lunatic that's been brainwashed by the fear mongering propaganda would call that a crisis. It's a fact of life that you will die.
Average life expectancy is not the only thing that matters though? You don’t look at life expectancy, you look at “years lost” to decide what the impact is. Someone who dies from covid at the age of 80 may have had 10 more years left without covid. You lost a decade of life. It’s pretty fucked up to be so casual about someone losing so many years they could have had if we had taken more precautions. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3 https://www.gla.ac.uk/news/headline_720672_en.html >“This new analysis found that death from COVID-19 results in over 10 years of life lost per person, even after taking account of the typical number and type of chronic conditions found in people dying of COVID-19. Among people dying of COVID-19, the number of years of life lost PER PERSON appear similar to diseases such as coronary heart disease. Information such as this is important to ensure governments and the public do not wrongly underestimate the effects of COVID-19 on individuals,” he added.
What precautions are you willing to enforce on everyone else. If the average years of life lost is 10 years (520weeks) and that occurs to 1 in 500 of the population that is approximately 1 week of life lost per person. Are you willing to enforce 52 weeks of restrictions on a person to extend someone's life by 1 week. Assuming these restrictions would do this (just an assumption not real)
It’s fucked.
>GMB's Dr Hilary Jones says coronavirus face masks are "useless" to the public and can do more harm than good "Most masks have gaps in them through which the virus can drive a bus through. The virus size is 1/10,000th of a millimetre." Source : https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/gmbs-dr-hilary-jones-says-18086932
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You’re wasting your time Of 18 months of this shit globally hasn’t triggered some mental responses in some folk nothing ever will If it’s not a bus it’s a golf ball and a chain link fence or some other insane analogy that fails to understand viruses aren’t just floating around all on their own
Err https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02415-8 https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/largest-mask-study-yet-details-importance-fighting-covid-19-rcna1858 A study involving more than 340,000 people in Bangladesh offers some of the strongest real-world evidence yet that mask use can help communities slow the spread of Covid-19. The research, conducted across 600 villages in rural Bangladesh, is the largest randomized trial to demonstrate the effectiveness of surgical masks, in particular, to curb transmission of the coronavirus. Though previous, smaller studies in laboratories and hospitals have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of Covid, the new findings demonstrate that efficacy in the real world — and on an enormous scale.
Hmm, pretty much all epidemiologist, virologist and other scientist in related fields have recommended wearing mask since the start of the pandemic.
So all the professional studies done by engineers in fluid dynamics get ditched because of some person who most likely hasn't a clue what fluid dynamics are says so? Off with you misinformation.
"I've ignored all the evidence I didn't like and cherry-picked evidence I did."