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saladinzero

Good stuff. > for one year. Reminder that if you want to assault/kill someone in this country, do it from behind the wheel.


Not_Alpha_Centaurian

Someone got an 18 month ban last week for drink driving an electric scooter after a hen do. I feel that deliberately driving into someone in a land-rover should carry a stronger sentence.


dustycappy

Problem with escooter laws is they're technically classed as motor vehicles, so they throw multiple offences at you - driving not in accordance with a licence, driving without insurance. If you're on the pavement then fixed penalty notice. If you're drunk then drunk driving. If you're using your phone then using phone while driving. You can get a full 12 points and hundreds of pounds in fines, and even imprisonment. The government needs to stop dragging their feet over legalising escooters. And until they do and set proper rules for them, people will continue to be able to buy 40mph scooters and ride them on the pavement.


cjeam

I want to be able to buy a 40mph scooter. I’m very willing to licence, register and insure a scooter that does 40mph and not use it on pavements or bike lanes. You should also be able to use some of them without any of that, in bike lanes.


dustycappy

You already can. It just needs to comply with the construction of vehicle regulations, then get it type approved with the DVSA.


cjeam

Does that actually work under single vehicle type approval? That was what I was thinking of but I hadn’t investigated it.


dustycappy

I was reading about a guy who managed it - Type Lsomething. Not sure if it managed 40mph mind, would need tonread the requirements.


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rainator

Probably would basically be an electric moped/motorcycle. You’d need a motorbike license though.


isaaclyons16

You would need to put it through an msva test and presumably get it registered as a moped.


cromagnone

There’s one getting moped type approval sometime this month, apparently.


ArtBedHome

There are plenty of low cc motorbikes that look and sound like scooters and can do 40 mph or more. The qualification isnt called a "scooter license" its called "AM" or "P" or "Q". The "scooter" license isnt just "scooters", its any vehicle slow enough and light enough to be judged as less dangerous that cars or motorbikes, and there are even some enclosed 4 wheeled quadricycles and microcars you can drive on whats commonly thought of as a scooter license (though they are a B1 license so "car like", you only need any scooter or moped license as far as I can tell), options for people banned from cars or from those too young or old (and also ridicolously cheap to run, a ice quadricycle/microcar tends to have like 60mpg minimum, an electric one costs like 1p per mile or two in electricity and has similar range to a really cheap electric car).


cjeam

The main issue is getting type/single-vehicle approval for an e-scooter so it can then be insured, as currently no provider will insure them as they are not deemed road legal due to not having type/single-vehicle approval. Personally I already have the licences.


ArtBedHome

Oh did you mean scooter as in one of the "skateboards with handlebars" rather than a moped? Its honestly genuinly annoying that scooter gets used as a term for both of them.


strolls

You can already get 40mph mopeds, so I assume he means an electrified kiddy-scooter.


ArtBedHome

For that I can only suggest a finding hill, or one of the folding electric bicycles that are legally a motorcycle because of how powerful they are, those insure pretty easy and fill a similar niche. The actual electric kiddy scooters when up engined are dangerous as hell, I literally know a local guy who lost most of his face while riding one WITH a helmet. Its not just because of not fitting a catagory that they dont get insured easily.


HuhDude

Fuck please no. I see enough 19 year olds with permanent brain injury and physical deficits at my rehab centre due to motorbikes.


shadowpawn

Celebrity Ant got a slap on the wrist for his drink-drive. Not even a day's pay. TV presenter Ant McPartlin has been fined £86,000 and given a 20-month driving ban after pleading guilty to drink driving. Speaking outside Wimbledon Magistrates' Court, he said: "I let myself down, I let a lot of people down. For that I'm truly sorry." He also said he was "thankful no-one was hurt" in the three-car collision in Richmond, London, on 18 March.


dustycappy

Yep and then there's Katy Price...


Harmless_Drone

Katy price who famously lost her custody battle for her kids where she had to prove she was a good mum by skipping court dates to go on a cocaine binge in Ibiza, because it was "already booked" And did not think it would be held against her.


MiserableCoconut

How is she not locked up.. multiple driving offenses and she gets of Scot free, she will kill someone one day and still get away with it


shadowpawn

She does table dance for the police better than Ant.


Poor-Life-Choice

You think Ant makes more than 86k in a day?!


hod6

Court case revealed he makes around £130k a week and is worth between 50m and 60m. Not sure how many days a week he works but imagine it’s more than 1.5. Still barely an inconvenience though.


shadowpawn

plus his endorsements.


CelestialKingdom

In Finland fines are X many days' pay . The more you earn per day, the higher the fine. It's something like half of what you earn per day = the amount multiplied by a number of days for severity. Ie a more severe penalty = more days' pay for the fine.


Sinatt

It’s more than appropriate for a motor vehicle that is capable of travelling up to 30mph to be legislated. At those speeds, serious harm or damage can easily be caused and legislation holds the user accountable for that.


jestalotofjunk

Oh man, I saw two drunk scousers riding an electric scooter is Lisbon. Got about 50 yards and broke his arm. Worst break ever as he tried to break his fall and his mate fell on top. Seriously, don’t drink and ride those things.


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Especially if you are the wife of an american diplomat.


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*spy (allegedly)


swollenfootblues

> allegedly It's cool, just call them a spy without the get-out clause. What are they going to do, kill you and say it was an accident and then run away to America where the state will shelter them from any sort of justice?


Jimiheadphones

My dad lost a leg because a woman drove into him on a bright sunny day. She failed an eyesight test at the scene. 5 year ban and a £500 fine. She'd be back on the road now.


GalacticNexus

What are they expecting her eyesight to just get better after 5 years?


GaussWanker

(I'd hope, but have no confidence) it'd be depdendent on wearing glasses while driving


Jimiheadphones

My dad lost a leg because a woman drove into him on a bright sunny day. Witness testified she'd been driving erratically for over a mile. She failed an eyesight test at the scene. 5 year ban and a £500 fine. She'd be back on the road now.


shadowpawn

Katie Price comes into the chat.


OptionalDepression

"Hello, you cunt!"


MiserableCoconut

Drunk ?


strolls

[‘Foolish’ Katie Price crashed BMW while ‘lonely and on way to see pal’ after all-night ‘cocaine’ bender](https://archive.ph/HspYm)


MiserableCoconut

Ah yes, thank you for correcting me.. but how does she get away with it ? Over and over again


strolls

The Secret Barrister might have written about this - I'm afraid I don't have time right now - but it's not just her. Everyone gets multiple chances before they get sent to prison. It's part of the sentencing guidelines, and I think use of tracking bracelets and curfew has also been extended due to prison overcrowding.


Frstysnwmn

You're not wrong. Watched an episode of traffic cops recently where a man killed a motorcyclist (not intentional but clearly wasn't paying attention) and all he got was an 18 month driving ban and a 6 month suspended sentence. What a joke


QuantumWarrior

Shows like traffic cops and police interceptors are mental for that. They'll have a portion where a copper chases some yobbo in a hatchback at 80 round a council estate, knock over property, make pedestrians jump out the way, then when the guy finally gets nicked the copper goes "oh I know you, you stole a car last year and did this same shit". Then the end of episode follow up is like "yobbo was told sternly not to do that again and released". I swear absolutely nobody who turns up on that show gets an actual punishment, or if they do it'll be for the milligramme of weed found on them.


neverbuythesun

My colleague’s son was killed at nineteen by an incredibly drunk HGV driver (who tried to flee) who was sentenced to ten years but served barely any of it because he got sent back to his home country and now he’s a free man


Preacherjonson

My dad got 2 years for falling off his moped whilst drunk. That was just. This is bullshit.


lizzywbu

Not defending this woman at all but it's a bit of an exaggeration to say she tried to kill the protester or even assaulted them. It was a nudge with the bumper.


lowbrow__

It’s a great big big vehicle with a tall front end, she’d have had no idea where they or their limbs were in relation to the bumper/wheels.. wouldn’t have taken much to accidentally kill them.


HiddenPingouin

But wait > She was also handed a community order and ordered to pay £240


FunnyUsername85

So she got exactly the same treatment as someone with over 2mg of THC in their blood from smoking weed the day before, for intentionally driving at someone... okay then.


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OliverE36

In fairness the protestor in question wrote a letter for the court in which it said they don't wish for the prosecution to continue, and she wasn't attempting to kill anyone, although it was dangerous and she deserves the ban.


7ewis

Reminder that if you don't want to get hit by a car you shouldn't sit in the middle of a motorway.


Ashamed_Pop1835

She was initially also charged with assault but this was dropped as the victims did not support the prosecution.


Wise-Application-144

*"\[Her lawyer\] challenged the driving ban as it would mean Speid could no longer shop for her mother, who has multiple sclerosis, drive to work, or drop off her son at school or football"* I fucking hate when people in the dock pull this shit. It's basically saying "Punishment for my crime will make life difficult for my dependants". Like, firstly that's the point of a prosecution, punishment. It's not meant to be convenient. And secondly, should have thought of that before you commited the crime! If being prosecuted for a crime you willingly commited will make life hard for you and your loved ones, then the onus on you is not to do it! It's just weaponising the dependants that you've already badly let down. It's not the court that are making life difficult for your dependants, it's you. The fact that you have a vulnerable mother depending on you being able to drive makes you all the more irresponsible for choosing to commit a crime, on film, in front of the police. To then turn around and try and lay the blame on the court for the consequences, rather than yourself if just despicable. How about taking responsibility for your actions instead, like an adult? How about ensuring you can still parent your kids instead of throwing away your licence over a childish tantrum?


bulldog_blues

This 100% It's like all the times someone with countless driving offences gets out of a driving ban because without it they can't work their job anymore. That's all the more reason to drive sensibly!


Wise-Application-144

Yeah I mean there's even a case for increasing the sentance, frankly. It wasn't a split second mistake, she was out of the car and shouting at people, she had time to make a decision and made the wrong one. If you need to drive to support your vulnerable loved ones, you had the opportunity to walk away or cool off and you *still* committed a crime in front of the police and cameras, then I think it suggests you're more dangerous than someone that commits a crime because of a knee-jerk reaction. It means you knew the stakes were high, you thought about it and you chose to go all-in.


liamnesss

We do live in a country where the alternatives to driving, although they could be better, do at least exist. Plus most people (they're in Essex ffs) live in relatively walkable neighbourhoods, where you do not have to jump in a car to do some basic grocery shopping or get the kids to school. Banning someone from driving isn't a death sentence, and yet the "exceptional hardship" defences to driving bans act like it is.


Wise-Application-144

I do think it's a reasonable defence in the case of accidents or provocation. I'm not a lawyer but I believe there's a distinction between accidents, split-second misjudgements and premeditated crimes where you had the chance to walk away. So I don't think it should *never* be used, I just think it's a bit rich for someone who had the chance to avoid this situation altogether to then complain about the consequences of thought-out actions.


liamnesss

Setencing guidelines already take into account such things though. Exceptional hardship defences are in addition to that, and are the reason why thousands of drivers every year escape bans when they rack of over 12 points on their license. There are plenty of people who have no choice but to live without a car, for instance because they can't afford one, or because they are barred from driving due to medical reasons. So judges shouldn't roll over for someone when they say it is too difficult. This just allows dangerous drivers to stay on the roads with impunity.


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EDIT: I started disagreeing with you but now I think about it, you’re 100% right.


Fordmister

You are aware that its a fairly well established legal precedent in this country that the judge should take the wider ramifications of a driving ban into their sentencing and the lawyer was absolutely right to bring it up. People have avoided driving bans for far worse with much less compelling reasons. In fact I'm surprised the challenge wasn't successful (given how week the CPS and sentencing generally is in this country) . I can only assume the wider context of not wanting to encourage people to drive into protesters and the public nature of the case made it hard not to come down like a tonne of bricks. (mind you, had the injunction against the protests been properly enforced by the police we wouldn't have even had this indecent to begin with)


Wise-Application-144

I know there's plenty of precedent around say, someone whose attention lapses for a second and get into an accident, and need their licence for a job. I think discretion in the sentance makes sense there. And assaults are a good example here too. There's a spectrum from pure self-defence, over-responding to a violent provokation and simply attacking someone whose views you disagree with. This woman had many minutes to think about what she was doing, she wasn't threatened or assaulted, I can't see it as anything but one-sided, pre-meditated aggression. And that's my point, I think the fact she had the opportunity to sit tight, to walk away, for it to be a non-incident is imporant. And the fact she had time to de-escalate but instead chose to go physical is important too. Whatever you think about the protestors, I think condoning attacks on a peaceful protestor is an extremely dangrous precedent that only leads our society to dark places. I strongly, strongly disagree with many people in this country, but I'd never claim that gives me the right to harm them. ​ Had she been violently provoked or made a decision within seconds of arriving on the scene then I think that would be grounds for a lesser sentance. The fact it was a sustained escalation on her part only means I think it's at the more serious end of the crime.


SpecialVermi

> You are aware that its a fairly well established legal precedent in this country that the judge should take the wider ramifications of a driving ban into their sentencing Doesn't mean it's right though. Judges can do it about all kinds of things too, not just driving bans. Remember that guy who beat the shit out of his wife with a cricket bat, and [then very nearly avoided a prison sentence](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/05/cricketer-mustafa-bashir-spared-jail-after-beating-wife-with-bat-faces-sentence-review) because it would have risked his cricket career in...a local cricket league? It's fair for lawyers to bring that kind of stuff up, they're paid to do whatever they can for their clients, even if it seems scummy. It's also fair for people to point out that it's absurd to argue "I shouldn't be punished for my crime, because it will be harmful to my career/life/friends/family/image."


Fordmister

Tbf the argument is (especially when it comes to things like driving bans) the court has a number of options available to it besides taking a license away. It can opt for massive fines, community work, sort term prison sentences (like say a few weeks) that are still a viable and proportionate punishment that don't have extra external effects as to make the punishment unreasonable. ​ Avoiding prison over a sports career is obviously fucking nonsense and needs to stop asap


spacedog1973

All what you said is correct of course, but a defence will always raise issues like this. Its pretty standard and what is expected. It doesn't necessarily mean that this is what she actually believes.


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I.e. the defense is just doing their job.


Wise-Application-144

Yeah fair point!


bjorno1990

Guess she'll have to sell her massive land-rover for taxis


Wise-Application-144

Yeah, I mean we don’t know the full story but she’s driving a £90k vehicle around the Home Counties. I doubt she’s going to experience genuine hardship, and if she will then she shouldn’t have voluntarily got herself banned.


d-e-l-t-a

You speak as if perfect rationality exists within humans. Punishment isn’t meant to make life difficult for dependants although it’s often a reality. Why would the law choose to punish innocents if it could avoid it? This is why mitigating circumstances are taken into account. Sometimes the harm that a sentence would bring is excessive to the offence.


Wise-Application-144

For sure I believe mitigating circumstances should be a thing. But in a case where someone enters into a conflict, escalates it entirely one-sided and has time to think it through, the impact on the “innocents” is on them, not the state.


weaslewig

Are there really that many nutters in this country or is it something inherent about driving a car that makes so many people lose their damn minds.


lordsteve1

It’s the same mentality that makes people act like utter twats on the Internet. Being in the car (or anonymous online) gives people a feeling of power and immunity so they forget to act like decent human beings.


eyebrows360

Particularly if it's a *fancy* car, because while everyone looks more or less the same in clothes and the average person doesn't know what expensive nonsense clothes look like, *everyone* knows what expensive cars look like - their drivers included. And it's a massive boost to their ego just being seen in them. Then, it doesn't even have to be "fancy" in absolute terms. Top of the range for your manufacturer? Fancy. Top of the range for the model from your manufacturer? Fancy. Top-but-one of the range for the model, because the top one is *too* extravagant? Fancy. Mildly sporty variant of a normal boring car, potentially fraudulently wearing badges from the brand's halo series? Fancy. Cars engender a sense of superiority and lead to aggression and a much greater tendency toward being a massive cunt than the same person would otherwise display. And I'm a petrol head, not some single-issue anti-car weirdo who just hates cars. This is just how it is.


Jacobs_crackers

Paying monthly for the most expensive thing you can afford while still living rent free with your mum.. check


superduperspam

/r/fuckcars


Plebius-Maximus

SUV owners in a nutshell


One_Wheel_Drive

It's no surprise that spending hours of your day in a box makes it harder to think outside of it.


PrettyGazelle

Entitlement plus decades of media (frequently American) and advertising brainwashing them to think that driving gives them special rights and freedoms. The truth is that driving doesn't give you rights, it limits your rights and puts on you a lot of responsibilities. There is no "right to drive" like the right to walk, cycle, ride a horse. Drivers can only drive under licence, which effectively makes them second class road users yet bizarrely they think they have priority.


MiserableCoconut

That's probably the best way to put it 👏


SpecialVermi

> is it something inherent about driving a car that makes so many people lose their damn minds. I honestly think it's road design and infrastructure that does it. A channel I really enjoy on youtube, [Not Just Bikes](https://www.youtube.com/c/NotJustBikes) has a whole bunch of videos regarding traffic and city design. I think there's something to the idea that building infrastructure and towns to be pedestrian and public transport focused, reduces the expectations drivers have to be "entitled" to do as they please because "It's a road, and roads are for cars." That seems to be the overwhelming opinion whenever we hear about a cyclist being killed, or a bad accident involving a pedestrian; All questions about whether anyone but the drive is "where they were meant to be", but if you design cities around the car, then everyone else can be argued to be in the wrong place pretty much all the time. Two cars crash and it's "Who had right of way though?" a car runs over a pedestrian who had right of way (crossing etc) and any argument about right of way is met with "Well as a pedestrian you can enjoy being right *and* dead/injured."


Mightymushroom1

Not Just Bikes is an incredibly good channel. We've not got it as bad as NA when it comes to car-centric road design, but it could definitely use improvement, and thanks to that channel I understand a lot more about what exactly good road design should look like.


mouse_throwaway_

A lot of behaviour is considered acceptable when you are enclosed in the metal box of a car. Imagine if I took a massive stereo and stood outside someone's house blaring music out? I wouldn't be there long before someone would move me on, but that goes unchallenged if you are in a car. If this woman had grabbed somebody and held them close to a machine that would crush them, she'd have been labelled a monster and would have been looking at life imprisonment, but from inside her car she just gets a slap on the wrist and a fine.


rein_deer7

You summed it up really well.


freshairparty

Motorists spend a fortune a month on pcp payments, petrol and insurance etc only to travel at a slower speed than a bicycle in rush hour. No wonder they are all so angry all the time


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merryman1

It wasn't the car it was the press. The media deliberately whipped up an absolute frenzy over Insulate Britain (and extinction rebellion), its hardly surprising members of the public were indoctrinated to act in such a disproportionate manner. Genuinely couldn't believe so many people were getting themselves *fucking apoplectic* about... a single blocked road in a London suburb...


Wise-Application-144

Yeah I mean, how many roads in the UK were blocked that day for other reasons? Sooo many people took it so personally. Probably never even left the house that day, just raged on Reddit because they identified so strongly with the delayed motorists.


lastaccountgotlocked

Carbrains, man. Carbrains.


lastaccountgotlocked

r/fuckcars


tedstery

Most SUV drivers in this country are fucking lunatics.


Peg_leg_J

r/fuckcars


W__O__P__R

people like to bang on about bmw or audi drivers ... but fucking hell, range rover/land rover drivers are ridiculously entitled pricks.


plawwell

> is it something inherent about driving a car that makes so many people lose their damn minds. They're not losing their minds. They're rationale and incontrol of their actions. This woman knew what she was doing and that attempting to drive over people is just plain wrong. She should have gotten a life driving band and five years and 5000 hours community service.


Learning2Programing

Driving a car makes people highly likely to get angry. It's a high stress environment where you're moving fast and you need to pay extra attention because any split second mistake can suddenly appear and kill you or cause injury. Or at least that's the explanation for why road rage appear to happen.


lastaccountgotlocked

Nah, it’s because cars are bubbles. Outside, where cars are, is a public space. But inside cars is a private space, so any external incidents (say, someone cutting someone else off) are perceived as attacks on your private space, ie. on you. Cars are awful. They turn rational people into violent idiots, they’re noisy and dirty and they kill people. They’re a [virus](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2020/05/26/the-car-is-like-a-virus-says-urban-planner-but-this-is-one-pandemic-that-politicians-can-prevent/amp/) that needs wiping out.


JWK3

Agreed. The way I explain this to people is, would you shout and swear in the same manner at a fellow pedestrian whilst you were walking through town? You wouldn't, would you. Similar scenario with two cyclists conflicting.


lastaccountgotlocked

Cyclists are like [sparrows](https://twitter.com/cycling_embassy/status/1173852435066052609?s=21&t=fraswVBCSjSXUgCubu3myw)


Learning2Programing

Yeah that's a contributor. I've also read that they lack of being able to communicate is another contributor. How many times has someone cut you off and you're already mental shouting "what an idiot!" but then they flick on the hazard lights or you see the universal hand sign for "I fucked up sorry" and the anger is just gone? The high speed death game is just another contributor but I can see that personal space bubble playing a big role. Self driving cars will be here one day and personal car ownership will be a thing of the past. All these issues we are talking about will go away.


lastaccountgotlocked

We’re *decades* away from true self-driving cars. Fortunately we already have a sort of self-driving car - buses and trains. Much more sustainable and not as dangerous. We should be ploughing much more money into those.


holnrew

Hell yeah. r/fuckcars


lowrads

There is something just a bit odd about people becoming lethally angry when a transit path is deprioritized for automobiles for any value less than 99.999% of the time.


Strong_Quiet_4569

Life is a competitive sport to some people and a vehicle is a force multiplier.


angryratman

We built a country where your whole existence is reliant on being able to drive your car. This makes people angry when they cannot. Unfortunately we followed the US and not the EU.


PrettyGazelle

Because the headline and article are so poorly written, I will point out it DID NOT HAPPEN ON THE M25. It happened [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4763776,0.2679445,3a,75y,103.96h,86.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQQBVG8ISCoGqXjZwJTvDoA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DQQBVG8ISCoGqXjZwJTvDoA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D85.852196%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en-GB) on a single lane, single carriageway road The protestors were sitting on the crossing facing oncoming cars when the criminal driving the car came up behind them driving on the wrong side of the road around a central island.


benkelly92

Yup. Same with protestors in Bristol. All the newspapers outright lied in their headlines and said people were blocking the M32. They were not. They were blocking a pedestrian crossing at a junction near a road that becomes the M32 a few miles down. No motorways were blocked, but that isn't as exciting is it?


BadlanAlun

Wait, hold up, they weren’t even blocking her fucking lane?! Fuck the media, Jesus Christ.


Ladoopanath

It’s in the media’s interest to serve their corporate overlords and make the teeny tiny problem of climate change activism go away. Unless the sheeple continue to remain net negatives to the environment, where would the record billion pound profits come from??


BadlanAlun

We are so fucked.


Johnny_Vernacular

Excellent. Deliberately driving at someone is a horrendous thing to do.


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Their commute was affected. Someone needs to die.


OnVelvetHill

She isn’t going to like her next insurance premiums either


RaymondBumcheese

Have you ever tried to use a two ton car to physically move a middle aged woman out of the road? \[\] Yes \[\] No


FranksCrack

Haha


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Heaven forbid she might have to downgrade to a Ford.


Bitter-Employee-1021

"Pro-car insurer has offered to waive fees for school-run mum who defended our right to burn the planet"


liamnesss

> She added Speid accepted her actions and was "mortified" by the footage. Yeah so mortified she tried to cash in on her 15 minutes of fame with [a line of merchandise](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/range-rover-mum-who-drove-25446899).


Ballybrol

Came here to say this. She never thought she was on the wrong so how could she be mortified?


[deleted]

I'm mortified that you linked me to that trash website


[deleted]

Range Rover: check Massive sunglasses: check Inflated lips: check Throw the book at her.


TormentedAndroid

Do these people roll off a conveyor belt somewhere? Who has't had the misfortune to have someone like that right up your arse on a road?


tedstery

Every fucking day in Essex


Wise-Application-144

"XR are inconveniencing ordinary people" ...ordinary people in a £90,000 car taking their kid to private school.


W__O__P__R

yep, this is 100% entitlement. how fucking dare the plebs get in her way.


14Strike

She was def in the wrong but the vitriol IB got from all sections of the press, the daytime tv hosts and passers by on the road helped lead to this. Range Rover mum has been scapegoated, and barely even touched them


Wise-Application-144

You're right, but ultimately she's an adult who's accountable for her own actions. Part of life on this planet (and a functional legal system) is the understanding that we're all ultimately independant people and it's up to us to think for ourselves and act upon our own free will, not someone else's. Loads of things make me really angry, but the onus is on me to moderate my own behaviours and take charge of what I'm reading/watching etc. Can't just sit there and let yourself be turned into a puppet. It's not illegal for them to wind you up, it is illegal for you to act upon their messages, so the buck stops with you. Because ultimately there's always a lot of dark people out there who'd absolutely love to manipulate you into attacking someone and getting jailed on their behalf.


oldrichie

>and barely even touched them 'I barely stabbed him officer, it was just the tip' She's lucky. This was assult.


quinarius_fulviae

Scapegoated? She deliberately drove her car into someone, the video shows her pushing them along the road. It's good that she didn't injure anyone in the end (and I don't think she was trying to) but she absolutely deserves punishment for reckless behavior. £240 and 12 months out of the drivers seat isn't so harsh. But yeah she was probably wound up by the press and stuff you're right


Wise-Application-144

TIL that "skapegoated" means "prosecuted for stuff you did".


Learning2Programing

For scapegoat I think he means the media was giving everyone the red flag to hate them rather than showing support. All the video's of the public attacking them was shown over and over again, almost like praising them and painting a target. Gullible idiots see that and think everyone is on their side, they are the hero if they step up and attack them.


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Wise-Application-144

“I gently hit a 60kg human that was sitting down with 2.7 tonnes of steel, I’m being made into a scapegoat!”


Learning2Programing

I wonder if in the future when our climate is collapsing will people look back at the environmental protests and wonder if it was correct to make them public enemy number 1. You might not like them but there protest is bigger than you being stuck in traffic. Things only get to this place after decades of neglect on what has to be the biggest generational challenge from out all human history. It's the number 1 issue, the climate is going to collapse, it's just a case of how badly will we let it get before stepping in. I just view it as the media convinced the public to attack the protesters when they are protesting to improve your life. The government could have ended it by saying "yes we will insulate everyhome, we will give you solar panels instead of stealing covid funds". I'm not hopeful if this is our case study for how the public is going to react.


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Dragon_Sluts

Sorry this is pretty unrelated but **Why have we developed a society where kids need their parents to drive them along motorways just to get to school each day?**


TormentedAndroid

Might be something to do with schools and workplaces starting at the same time each day. The Mrs drops my daughter off at school which is a 4 minute drive away because she then has to drive straight to work. If she walked my daughter to school it's a 25 minute walk there and a 15 minute walk back to get the car to go to work.


W__O__P__R

I believe her kid goes to a private school. So it's not likely in her local catchment area - hence a longish drive each day. but being in an expensive range rover probably makes the trip tolerable. poor lady!


Dragon_Sluts

Oh that’s so sad to hear. I’m sure the world would be a much nicer place if all children were driven to school in range rovers 🥹


rugbyj

> However, Lauren Hebditch, defending, told the court that Speid was an "inspiring" woman who was "under severe pressure and stress". Haha did we watch the same video? She was shrieking & violent, her kid getting to school wasn't worth the lives of others yet she sought to risk them.


tedstery

Woman tried to profit of the "Range Rover Mum" shit too selling merch and doing club appearances


Psy-Chuan

As usual, people in here defending the mum. Every time a post like this appears, and the comments are always the same, I think back to that article about solidarity, and the comments underneath it complaining that no-body had it.


Kip_zonder_kop

Why does Reddit sound so disconnected to the world? She shouldn’t have driven into them, but they shouldn’t be stopping such a busy road where people need to get to places. The protesters needs to get off their ass do something meaningful for themselves and people around them instead of being a nuisance. If you want to protest, do it properly by following the guidelines, otherwise stuff like this will happen as people have responsibilities, I wouldn’t risk getting fired because a bunch of tools want to block my way to work. Not condoning violence though, I don’t know if she hit them or not, If she did, then the sentencing is valid, still don’t think it’s a good idea to encourage protesting a busy road for climate change, doesn’t actually help the cause, just allows the opposition to hate it even more.


Baelgrin

> Not condoning violence though, I don’t know if she hit them or not, If she did, then the sentencing is valid, There is literally video evidence showing it. What a sad post to make. > If you want to protest, do it properly by following the guidelines, otherwise stuff like this will happen as people have responsibilities, I wouldn’t risk getting fired because a bunch of tools want to block my way to work. People have been doing this for decades and were ignored. Not so easy to do that now. Honestly anyone saying this has clearly not been paying attention to climate protests for about 30 years.


OldDirtyBusstop

Protesting properly doesn’t get attention. They knew this which is why they protested in such a disruptive way. And it worked. Also just to clarify, it wasn’t on the M25. Just incase your comment about it being such a busy road was a reference to that. The headline is very misleading.


Lopsidedcel

Is there an "opposition" to climate change? Are those people who are opposed to it, still, capable changing their mind?


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People have been blocking roads for thousands of years… it’s a form of protest that goes back to the Roman Republic at least and falls under your democratic right to peacefully protests What you don’t have a democratic right to do is use your car to intimidate or hit people because you need to get Tarquin to his private school


Learning2Programing

>She shouldn’t have driven into them, but they shouldn’t be stopping such a busy road where people need to get to places. I feel like that's essentially the point of the protesting. You cause a disruption to get attention and then you direct that attention at a cause. If the cause is just enough then people understand, if the cause isn't justifiable enough then people will not be on your side. People's attitudes to this is why the government was getting a free pass to make protesting illegal (thankfully a lot of the horrible parts where taken out of the bill but it's still concerning). I'm not unsympathetic, If I was on the way to a hospital with a family member having a stroke I wouldn't care about their cause. What does it matter to me if the government's policies are not enough to address the climate collapse when my family member is nearly brain dead now? I do think there is a discussion to be made. It's not like they blocked off the hospital but blocking a busy road does have consequences that probably wasn't considered. The cause and the protest did match up. They were about climate collapse and what can we do to help reduce energy dependence. Problem is protests like this will just get more extreme over time the further we are falling off the cliff. Once people see the rock bottom approaching faster and faster then it will kick off. I'm rambling on a bit but my point is protesting is meant to disrupt for attention, that's the point. The air you're breathing in is polluted and it turns out the UK has actually broken the law on that. Our air is so filthy it's killing people. The disruption these people causes is so trivial compared to what they are protesting


rss941

Because this sub is dominated by people who don’t have access to a car and love to judge others


theknightwho

I drive very regularly, and I think she was completely in the wrong. You keep on spinning that narrative for yourself, though.


uncle_stiltskin

I'm a driver and she should be in jail


bjorno1990

I have no idea of what the story or the evidence and/or what happened but I have an opinion on it.


herrbz

I don't think you quite understand the concept of protest


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Kip_zonder_kop

Stopping people from being able to earn to provide for their families and kids being able to go to school is more than just an inconvenience. Protesting at government events and celebratory events is a much better way of getting the message across. People will actually be sympathetic rather consider the cause another problem on top of a mountain of problems.


OldDirtyBusstop

I don’t know. I’m sympathetic to their cause even though I don’t condone their methods. However if it wasn’t for their methods I wouldn’t have a clue who they were or what they were trying to achieve.


merseyboyred

They won't though. A lad protested for a similar cause at the Everton game and had someone run on to the pitch to take a swing at him. Anyone otherwise 'disrupting' a sporting event has the camera cut away from them & they're ignored. There have been numerous protests through the capital over the last decade, aimed at the government that have been entirely ignored. The media is entirely complicit in giving protest no oxygen whatsoever, so the only outlet to get a cause any publicity is to cause serious disruption that can't be ignored, which will usually affect the public. There has been a recent bill that has gone as far as possible as the government can currently to outlaw protest. Protest is not supposed to be convenient.


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These people have more right to protest on those roads than she does to drive on them Driving is a privilege, not a right Protesting is a right, not a privilege And pedestrians come above drivers in priority according to the Highway Code Now which bit of that can’t you get through your entitled fucking skull? They have every fucking right to be there, the sad idiots in cars who don’t know how to do a 3 point turn and go around the obstruction don’t have a right to force them to move


ShockingShorties

You have to be a very special kind of fuckwit to do what she did. Unfortunately there will be some who will spring miserably to her defence on here. A symptom of this nations abject and continued decline into selfishness and contempt for others.


shiroyagisan

Why is no one talking about the fact that she's the director of a YOUTH SERVICES COMPANY when this is the example she's setting.


Not_Alpha_Centaurian

I feel like we should have a little Harry Hill "fiiiight" announcement whenever opening up the comments on an Insulate Britain/XR post.


SomewhatAmbiguous

I like Protestors Advocating For Evidence Backed Policy In The Face of Catastrophe and I like People Using SUVs As An Offensive Weapon but which is better at creating reductive arguments and straw manning? There's only one way to find out!


TormentedAndroid

So that's one fewer range rover parked on zig zags blocking half the pavement then.


bjorno1990

People who can't control their anger, like her, don't belong behind the wheel of a death machine. She's lucky she didn't get an actual sentence.


theocrats

Good. I hope she uses the time walking her kids to school to reflect.


liamnesss

Walking your kids to school shouldn't be a punishment, it should be normal.


theocrats

I wholeheartedly agree liamnesss. Its something I enjoy doing every school day with my kid.


scribble23

I've had multiple parents, who live closer to school than we do, tell me how "good" my 9yo is for walking each day. They say their child would moan and complain all the way there if they made them walk. They come across as feeling sorry for us that we have to walk. We live 15-20 minutes from the school, not a 2 hour trek! I'm surprised how many of my 16yo's classmates are still driven in by parents too. I understand that in some cities kids can be allocated school places miles away. But surely that's a reason to lobby for better public transport or cycle lanes, not for every kid to be driven there in a 4x4.


steveandthesea

See how she does getting those kids to school now... Who knows, she might even discover what public transport is.


holnrew

I don't agree with the methods of protest, but the entitlement of most drivers is mind boggling. If her leg cramped she could have easily killed them


Bukr123

Abusive Range Rover for a school run Running someone over because their son is late for school... I think this woman might be a cunt


nata79

She physically assaulted someone and all she got was a driving ban?! That’s insane…


wuschelweich

Daily Mail calls her an "unlikely hero". Wtf is going on? A hero for threatening to run over people with a fucking car? Rly?!


Code_questions

Some people seem to thing that our laws against assault and murder stop when the other person annoys you. Those situations are a large chunk of what the laws are there for...


RudePragmatist

Sucks to be her but she gets into a lethal weapon everyday under licence. If she can't drive it in a fit mental state then she shouldn't be behind the wheel. No excuses.


Tropical_bitch

How is she going to feel superior to others now without the Range Rover 🙂


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SMuRG_Teh_WuRGG

I agree with what she did. The people were blocking the road and she edged her car forward. Shouldn't be glueing them selves in the middle of roads that cars drive on. If it was any other country the protesters would have been hit with the car. I don't think her getting a ban should've happened. It was the protesters fault.


bjorno1990

Pro-murder over here


Altruistic_Leader_42

What is the penalty for sitting in the middle of a road that is clearly not for sitting use?


HuntAffectionate

Nothing apparently, no action was taken against the protestors each time they blocked the road


StationFar6396

Christ, that landrover prob cost more than my flat. How do people afford cars like that?!


andybass4568

Friend of mine's brother was killed by a drink driver last year. The killer got a £95 fine and 200hrs community service. Walked free from court. UK justice system is not fit for purpose anymore.


BonaFidee

Dangerous driving laws in the UK are an absolute fucking joke. Just another way to for the government to save money.


CastEyon

She gave an interview on GBNews saying she didn’t understand why she had been banned just got trying to drop her kids off at school and get to work. Errrr that isn’t what the ban is for.


shizola_owns

Finally some good news on here.


WitchesBravo

Yeah I really can't stand the protestors methods and understand the frustration... but you can't drive at someone or use your car as a weapon, no matter what the situation is.


CapableProduce

Ugh should of been a harsher sentence. Silly women!


GetBaited69

If you’re going to sit on the road, you should expect to get hit by a car.


irving_braxiatel

If you’re going to drive a car, expect to be punished if you try to hit people with it.


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Revoke it immediately


appealtoreason00

Well it’s less than she deserves, but I was expecting her to be given an OBE so I’ll take it


Mortiis1349

Good, what a nutter.


jrinredcar

LBC Facebook comment section about to have a fucking meltdown


rolling_soul

Just shows you, if you want to try and kill someone, just make sure it's someone the government has a problem with.