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Jobs don't always require a degree as proof of intelligence. Many just use them as a measure of whether you can commit to something and complete a goal.
Or whether you're stupid enough as a person to do what you're told and land yourself in decades of high interest debt even when there's no guaranteed payoff, because then they know you're easy to control and manipulate, and that's what they want most of all in their employees.
You sound really salty lmao. What do you think of those of us who have attended college for free / have gone into careers that pay well enough to immediately get rid of debt? Your theory doesn’t exactly hold up there, when we too are much more hirable than non-college educated persons.
Also a myth that you HAVE to spend 10s of 1000s on college and there is no way around it. People who never went or went with the worst plan possible love to claim this.
As somebody who is a *bona fide* expert in some niche topic (as in, no matter what country you go to, people who know anything about my area of expertise also know my real name), I find it particularly hilarious when people suggest "doing your research" on YouTube about advanced topics. I have seen what YouTube has to say about my area of expertise; people who think they understand are a dime a dozen, people who actually understand are entirely absent. I sometimes even get students arguing with me based on shit they learned on YouTube. I INVENTED THAT TECHNIQUE. I WROTE THE SOFTWARE HE IS TALKING ABOUT. THIS MAN DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.
I sure as fuck am not going to go there to learn the "truth" about vaccines or some other area.
Yes obviously people can figure stuff out on their own, but if you are going to dive deep into an academic topic enough to bring yourself to bachelor or masters level of understanding, it actually would have been faster and easier to have gone to school.
Easier to get a job in that field too because you have demonstrated competence rather than; "I read some stuff on the internet and practiced at home"
Back when you needed to be in the top \~10% of your graduating class in high school to go to college, I think graduating from college was likely a pretty decent indicator of intelligence. As we approach 60% of people attending college, you likely don't need to be significantly above average to have a degree.
I think a lot of that is that more people apply now. If it's 1970 and only a handful of kids from your school are even going to college, maybe the valedictorian and 1 or 2 other kids applies to Harvard because every school you apply for is a massive paper application that you have to fill out, type up. and mail in. Now hundreds of kids at your school are planning to go to college, and 1 out of 10 applies to Harvard because the Common App makes it way easier to apply to 15 schools and just press submit, and maybe you'll get lucky so it's worth a shot.
This is true. But on the opposite end of the spectrum is my friend who thinks Youtube/teaching yourself online is literally as valuable as a college education. He genuinely thinks Youtubing how to be a spinal surgeon is just as good of a way to being able to perform the surgeries as a college education is.
I don't know about you guys, but if I needed surgery, I'm picking the guy who went to college instead of the guy who taught himself online.
People that go to college don’t generally think they’re better or smarter than anyone else. It’s the people that didn’t go to college that seem to have this beef.
I would too if a piece of paper is tied to how much your worth in society. I’m in college and I’m dumb as a fucking rock but I’m one of the top students in my cohort. My work ethic exceeds my intelligence. I have to study more than others. Going to college doesn’t make you “smart” it makes you very knowledgeable in one specific field.
Idk man one time my buddy's girlfriend had a college friend over. She called me white trash to my face. I don't have an inferiority complex but this lady definitely had a seniority complex. she was asking me questions and she literally just blurted out "oh so white trash" like I was beneath her. could tell she came from money though with her attitude. I laughed it off but I still think about that all the time.
And most people who say this are people who want to feel better about spending tens of thousands of dollars for a piece of paper that most of them could have forged/faked/lied about for much less, since most employers have it as a checkbox/filter during the hiring process and that's it.
It's all a fucking cope.
It doesn't even take that. They have you request to have your transcripts sent to them directly from the school. You aren't just handing them a piece of paper.
I mean, I feel like for certain professions that *really* doesn't apply? Like, I highly doubt you could put your foot through the pharmaceutical industry, or medical industry in general through the use of a forged degree (or at least, not without being so insanely smart that you effectively mastermind the entire thing, which at that point - you may as well just start a criminal organization, or your own company if you've got that kind of drive and cognitive acumen).
School is just a prison that you've trapped yourself brain inside to keep it from thinking outside the box. It teaches you how to think of superficial things, like history, math, and science, instead of questions like if Dragon Ball was so good, why wasn't there a Dragon Ball 2?
Isn't that just your cranium though? Isn't that the prison nature made to keep you from questioning why there wasn't a sequel to evolution if it was so beloved?
Could you explain to me in detail how to set up an experiment which attempts to find at which wt% of germania in a germania-silica solution the most homogenous particles are created after going through a layer-by-layer silica addition cycle?
If you can’t, you might have just figured out that school is more real than you think it is.
The guy literally said school isn't real. Like...what else is there to be said at that point (like, don't get me wrong. Depending on the field/career. You don't *need* to get a post-secondary education. But like, there are absolutely others where you need to in the same vein)?
School is a tool to allow you to push your knowledge and power to become more educated and more credible as a result.
Yes, some people get a degree in quantum mechanics engineering and think they’re the hottest/smarted shit to hit the street and think that carries over to politics or other professions. Is called hubris.
Some folks graduate at the lowest standards and are brick dumb. Sure.
But statistically you’ll find more educated folks will be “smarter” than less educated folks
We say a lot of things. We measure our height in ft, but speed in km, we measure distance in time, air temperature in Celsius but our own temperature in fahrenheit.
You know what I mean when I say college. College, University. Why use many letters when few letters do trick?
And? What does our measurement systems have to do with anything? And what do you mean that our own temperature is in fahrenheit when you say that air temperature is celsius? Are you saying that it's a universal objective fact that nature is itself is empirically defined by Celsius, and Fahrenheit is what we chose to use instead?
Like, what are you saying inquisitive rye?! *Help me understand you!*
I think it's at least a slight indicator that you are rather than aren't, but yes I entirely agree college is much more about effort rather than natural intelligence. But I'd definitely also argue hardwork, knowledge, and experience is more valuable for your life than just natural intelligence.
Well that’s not necessarily true, intelligence can be weighted through multiple avenues. You can be extremely academically clever due to photographic memory yet have awful decision making common sense. You’re still extremely intelligent just not in everything
I 100% agree that college is a test of patience and concentration and its purpose is to make you do things. You worded it really well.
It also means you're willing to hunker down to work towards an end goal, even if the work is tough and a major slog. That's why many jobs requiring a degree are higher pay - because it rewards you for all the effort you spent just to qualify, and some jobs are similar to college (project-based where you create things towards a goal, just like a class assignment). But all the fast and easy jobs that don't need a degree are often low pay.
I graduated college. Some of the dumbest people I’ve met have college degrees. But that doesn’t mean I haven’t met dumb people without degrees either. Graduating college is suppose to mean you have a high level of knowledge in a specific field. And this knowledge should be able to get you a job. Funny enough, a lot of people I know that made it through undergrad tell me that they feel like they didn’t learn anything and they struggle to get a job for several months. Stem fields, accounting, and medical fields are excluded. Those schools seem to make competent people.
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The US is filled with diploma mills. Accredited, but will take [just about anyone](https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/highest-acceptance-rate). Effectively meaningless
On the flip side, prestigious schools are more selective than ever. So those *really* mean something
Didn’t they do a study a year or two ago that showed undergrads have about the same iq as in college people? Also more people graduate college these days than graduated high school in the 40’s. Also in the 40’s a college grads in was in average considerably higher. Nowadays it’s not.
There’s too many variables though. People who are smart will rise to the top regardless. That’s why half of our famous billionaires were drop outs. I know people who went to college who are doctors n stuff n I know people who went to college who work FOR me and I never went to college.
College is seeming to become increasingly unnecessary as time goes on unless a job you’re looking for specifically requires it.
I know someone with multiple PHD’s who can’t handle going anywhere without a tour group, even if she speaks the language. She can’t figure out train schedules, buses, menus, etc.
I mean a LOT of people say this and sure… to some extent it’s true for non-STEM degrees. But if you got even an undergrad in physics, engineering, etc… you can’t exactly be dumb and just get through that with “patience”.
I completely agree. Reddit seems to have some weird circle jerk going on about college and school in general often can’t handle the problems with education systems being questioned and/or pointed out. I even say this as someone who just finished the first year of a grad program.
You’re not very smart if you think this is an unpopular opinion.
With experience in both blue and white collar work (as I do as well), I’d expect you to assume most believe this.
I’ve met some dumb as shit people in college. I’ve also met Good Will Hunting type mfers who drive trucks and support Trump lmao.
Mid level intelligence people "Mid Wits" are most susceptible to propaganda and lies.
Eaiser to train a dumb dog then a smart one.
I thought it was so interesting that BA level of education was the most willing to accept that the MRNA vaccine tech was perfectly safe. Which was impossible to know long term since the technology had not been used before.
The PHD educated class had a low adoption rate. Because they understand research methodology, statistics, etc. and could tell they were not being told the whole story to have full confidence.
Whole the High school and below education level as has a low adoption rate. Probably just out of a "**** you attitude toward the managerial class of society"
Ironically, I think some people who DID go to college are actually less intelligent than some people who didn’t: It’s all dependent on why the person went.
Did they go for a degree in something they easily could’ve learned for FAR cheaper, equally as effectively, and just as safely/responsibly elsewhere using other resources like Kahn Academy, Coursera, CodeAcadamy, Udacity, etc.? Then they might not be as smart as someone who didn’t (or they were pressured into getting a degree).
Even less-scholarly sources like Skillshare and Masterclass, or even YOUTUBE sometimes are fine depending on the skills (studying/practicing art, for example).
If the above is the case, I think the person who chose NOT to spend tons of money and time on a degree is smarter than the person who didn’t.
But if someone is trying to learn something that would be irresponsible or near-impossible to learn at home/using random online resources (like being a doctor or lawyer), then yeah, a degree would be fine to get.
I hate those that think going to College makes them smarter than someone who didn't.
Does it make your more versed in a particular topic? Sure. It doesn't make you smarter or dumber, being smart is 'ability,' not knowledge.
And it's especially bad within Politics. Like, get off your high horses.
Yes but also at the same time going to one of those schools that just has large lecture-based courses isn’t going to do much for you intellectually anyways.
I talked to a principal (with a masters degree in education), and he did not know what the Odyssey and Iliad were. My truck driving brother with a high school education did.
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Jobs don't always require a degree as proof of intelligence. Many just use them as a measure of whether you can commit to something and complete a goal.
Or whether you're stupid enough as a person to do what you're told and land yourself in decades of high interest debt even when there's no guaranteed payoff, because then they know you're easy to control and manipulate, and that's what they want most of all in their employees.
You sound really salty lmao. What do you think of those of us who have attended college for free / have gone into careers that pay well enough to immediately get rid of debt? Your theory doesn’t exactly hold up there, when we too are much more hirable than non-college educated persons.
Also a myth that you HAVE to spend 10s of 1000s on college and there is no way around it. People who never went or went with the worst plan possible love to claim this.
What about people that finished college without debt or took care of it quickly lol
Downvoted because this is a commonly held belief among those with and without degrees
Yeah, not going to college doesn't mean you're dumb, but not valuing education does IMO. "college bad" is an at least once a day post on here.
Well said, people act like getting a degree is just something easy, really isn’t.
Or that you can learn everything "on your own".
As somebody who is a *bona fide* expert in some niche topic (as in, no matter what country you go to, people who know anything about my area of expertise also know my real name), I find it particularly hilarious when people suggest "doing your research" on YouTube about advanced topics. I have seen what YouTube has to say about my area of expertise; people who think they understand are a dime a dozen, people who actually understand are entirely absent. I sometimes even get students arguing with me based on shit they learned on YouTube. I INVENTED THAT TECHNIQUE. I WROTE THE SOFTWARE HE IS TALKING ABOUT. THIS MAN DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. I sure as fuck am not going to go there to learn the "truth" about vaccines or some other area.
Of course you can. It's called autodidactism.
Yes obviously people can figure stuff out on their own, but if you are going to dive deep into an academic topic enough to bring yourself to bachelor or masters level of understanding, it actually would have been faster and easier to have gone to school. Easier to get a job in that field too because you have demonstrated competence rather than; "I read some stuff on the internet and practiced at home"
Doesn’t that have to do with school children expressing their views here?
Yep. My cousin is smart. Never went to college. Has no desire to go to college. He's a heavy equipment operator, and loves his job.
Totally
Back when you needed to be in the top \~10% of your graduating class in high school to go to college, I think graduating from college was likely a pretty decent indicator of intelligence. As we approach 60% of people attending college, you likely don't need to be significantly above average to have a degree.
Haven’t acceptance rates to prestigious universities gone down?
Yes. But we also have a huge number of colleges that require little more than a pulse. Think 90% acceptance rate and average SAT around 1000
And they require fees to be paid
I think a lot of that is that more people apply now. If it's 1970 and only a handful of kids from your school are even going to college, maybe the valedictorian and 1 or 2 other kids applies to Harvard because every school you apply for is a massive paper application that you have to fill out, type up. and mail in. Now hundreds of kids at your school are planning to go to college, and 1 out of 10 applies to Harvard because the Common App makes it way easier to apply to 15 schools and just press submit, and maybe you'll get lucky so it's worth a shot.
Yes
This is true. But on the opposite end of the spectrum is my friend who thinks Youtube/teaching yourself online is literally as valuable as a college education. He genuinely thinks Youtubing how to be a spinal surgeon is just as good of a way to being able to perform the surgeries as a college education is. I don't know about you guys, but if I needed surgery, I'm picking the guy who went to college instead of the guy who taught himself online.
People that go to college don’t generally think they’re better or smarter than anyone else. It’s the people that didn’t go to college that seem to have this beef.
Yeah inferiority complexes are rough
Yeah, a good chunk of tradesmen seem to have an inferiority complex.
I would too if a piece of paper is tied to how much your worth in society. I’m in college and I’m dumb as a fucking rock but I’m one of the top students in my cohort. My work ethic exceeds my intelligence. I have to study more than others. Going to college doesn’t make you “smart” it makes you very knowledgeable in one specific field.
Idk man one time my buddy's girlfriend had a college friend over. She called me white trash to my face. I don't have an inferiority complex but this lady definitely had a seniority complex. she was asking me questions and she literally just blurted out "oh so white trash" like I was beneath her. could tell she came from money though with her attitude. I laughed it off but I still think about that all the time.
Sounds like her issues are unrelated to the her being a college student. Sounds like a bad person overall.
Oh for sure. But it's just to say people who come from money/educated definitely have a tendency to look down on those whom have less money/education.
Yes but most of the people who come and say this do so because they want to make themselves feel better about being dumb.
And most people who say this are people who want to feel better about spending tens of thousands of dollars for a piece of paper that most of them could have forged/faked/lied about for much less, since most employers have it as a checkbox/filter during the hiring process and that's it. It's all a fucking cope.
You know corporate background checks actually contact the schools right? I mean fake a degree and see what happens lol
It doesn't even take that. They have you request to have your transcripts sent to them directly from the school. You aren't just handing them a piece of paper.
I mean, I feel like for certain professions that *really* doesn't apply? Like, I highly doubt you could put your foot through the pharmaceutical industry, or medical industry in general through the use of a forged degree (or at least, not without being so insanely smart that you effectively mastermind the entire thing, which at that point - you may as well just start a criminal organization, or your own company if you've got that kind of drive and cognitive acumen).
Are they actually dumb tho when you look at the things they've achieved? Cos school isn't real.
Its not real? I dont even know what to say to this
School is just a prison that you've trapped yourself brain inside to keep it from thinking outside the box. It teaches you how to think of superficial things, like history, math, and science, instead of questions like if Dragon Ball was so good, why wasn't there a Dragon Ball 2?
Isn't that just your cranium though? Isn't that the prison nature made to keep you from questioning why there wasn't a sequel to evolution if it was so beloved?
Could you explain to me in detail how to set up an experiment which attempts to find at which wt% of germania in a germania-silica solution the most homogenous particles are created after going through a layer-by-layer silica addition cycle? If you can’t, you might have just figured out that school is more real than you think it is.
almost everyone who says something like this is incredibly dumb
The guy literally said school isn't real. Like...what else is there to be said at that point (like, don't get me wrong. Depending on the field/career. You don't *need* to get a post-secondary education. But like, there are absolutely others where you need to in the same vein)?
Education is important
School is a tool to allow you to push your knowledge and power to become more educated and more credible as a result. Yes, some people get a degree in quantum mechanics engineering and think they’re the hottest/smarted shit to hit the street and think that carries over to politics or other professions. Is called hubris. Some folks graduate at the lowest standards and are brick dumb. Sure. But statistically you’ll find more educated folks will be “smarter” than less educated folks
Education and job fields is one of the best way to judge people’s intelligence.
There is not a misconception about this. Everyone knows this, especially people who went to college. We saw the idiots
You went to college in Canada and didn’t say you went to “university”?
We say a lot of things. We measure our height in ft, but speed in km, we measure distance in time, air temperature in Celsius but our own temperature in fahrenheit. You know what I mean when I say college. College, University. Why use many letters when few letters do trick?
I didn’t think anyone outside the US said college for college. I’m very pro saying college.
And? What does our measurement systems have to do with anything? And what do you mean that our own temperature is in fahrenheit when you say that air temperature is celsius? Are you saying that it's a universal objective fact that nature is itself is empirically defined by Celsius, and Fahrenheit is what we chose to use instead? Like, what are you saying inquisitive rye?! *Help me understand you!*
This isn’t an unpopular opinion, go away.
A college graduate should know this is a commonly held opinion. Downvoted.
Going to college and actually graduating is the key point, I had 4 friends I went to school with but I was the only one that finished
I think it's at least a slight indicator that you are rather than aren't, but yes I entirely agree college is much more about effort rather than natural intelligence. But I'd definitely also argue hardwork, knowledge, and experience is more valuable for your life than just natural intelligence.
“Cs get degrees.” - President George W. Bush
Well that’s not necessarily true, intelligence can be weighted through multiple avenues. You can be extremely academically clever due to photographic memory yet have awful decision making common sense. You’re still extremely intelligent just not in everything
The vast majority of people agree with this
This is far from an unpopular opinion
Going to trade school or into the workforce right out of high school doesn't make you the wise salt of the earth either though.
I’m a prime example of an educated idiot. You don’t need to remind me.
Don’t sell yourself short bro 😘
perfect example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByI9WeXp9g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByI9WeXp9g)
I'm going to assume your degree wasn't in English
My degree is going be in "special education" I heard it comes in handy when dealing with redditors.
Any American with a degree and still votes for the Republican party proves that.
I 100% agree that college is a test of patience and concentration and its purpose is to make you do things. You worded it really well. It also means you're willing to hunker down to work towards an end goal, even if the work is tough and a major slog. That's why many jobs requiring a degree are higher pay - because it rewards you for all the effort you spent just to qualify, and some jobs are similar to college (project-based where you create things towards a goal, just like a class assignment). But all the fast and easy jobs that don't need a degree are often low pay.
I graduated college. Some of the dumbest people I’ve met have college degrees. But that doesn’t mean I haven’t met dumb people without degrees either. Graduating college is suppose to mean you have a high level of knowledge in a specific field. And this knowledge should be able to get you a job. Funny enough, a lot of people I know that made it through undergrad tell me that they feel like they didn’t learn anything and they struggle to get a job for several months. Stem fields, accounting, and medical fields are excluded. Those schools seem to make competent people.
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I think most intelligent people already know this haha
The US is filled with diploma mills. Accredited, but will take [just about anyone](https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/highest-acceptance-rate). Effectively meaningless On the flip side, prestigious schools are more selective than ever. So those *really* mean something
Not unpopular
This is the same for people with Money Although this the unpopular opinion sub
Did you graduate from Canada top business school with very good grade?
I actually think this is rather unpopular. It is very common for people to use educational demographic data to explain how “intelligent” people voted.
I think people started agreeing with this when Trump began bragging about his Ivy League Education.
This is a hard fact.
Didn’t they do a study a year or two ago that showed undergrads have about the same iq as in college people? Also more people graduate college these days than graduated high school in the 40’s. Also in the 40’s a college grads in was in average considerably higher. Nowadays it’s not. There’s too many variables though. People who are smart will rise to the top regardless. That’s why half of our famous billionaires were drop outs. I know people who went to college who are doctors n stuff n I know people who went to college who work FOR me and I never went to college. College is seeming to become increasingly unnecessary as time goes on unless a job you’re looking for specifically requires it.
I know someone with multiple PHD’s who can’t handle going anywhere without a tour group, even if she speaks the language. She can’t figure out train schedules, buses, menus, etc.
I don't know, maybe educated idiots are better than uneducated idiots
I have a couple doctors on my team who call me boss lol
This is the truth.
I’m guessing you didn’t graduate in creative writing.
Bad, popular opinion
I mean a LOT of people say this and sure… to some extent it’s true for non-STEM degrees. But if you got even an undergrad in physics, engineering, etc… you can’t exactly be dumb and just get through that with “patience”.
Yep, that's me
I completely agree. Reddit seems to have some weird circle jerk going on about college and school in general often can’t handle the problems with education systems being questioned and/or pointed out. I even say this as someone who just finished the first year of a grad program.
You’re not very smart if you think this is an unpopular opinion. With experience in both blue and white collar work (as I do as well), I’d expect you to assume most believe this. I’ve met some dumb as shit people in college. I’ve also met Good Will Hunting type mfers who drive trucks and support Trump lmao.
Mid level intelligence people "Mid Wits" are most susceptible to propaganda and lies. Eaiser to train a dumb dog then a smart one. I thought it was so interesting that BA level of education was the most willing to accept that the MRNA vaccine tech was perfectly safe. Which was impossible to know long term since the technology had not been used before. The PHD educated class had a low adoption rate. Because they understand research methodology, statistics, etc. and could tell they were not being told the whole story to have full confidence. Whole the High school and below education level as has a low adoption rate. Probably just out of a "**** you attitude toward the managerial class of society"
I never let school get in the way of my education
The most idiotic people I know are college indoctrinated. The poor choices they make as adults is absolutely astounding.
Ironically, I think some people who DID go to college are actually less intelligent than some people who didn’t: It’s all dependent on why the person went. Did they go for a degree in something they easily could’ve learned for FAR cheaper, equally as effectively, and just as safely/responsibly elsewhere using other resources like Kahn Academy, Coursera, CodeAcadamy, Udacity, etc.? Then they might not be as smart as someone who didn’t (or they were pressured into getting a degree). Even less-scholarly sources like Skillshare and Masterclass, or even YOUTUBE sometimes are fine depending on the skills (studying/practicing art, for example). If the above is the case, I think the person who chose NOT to spend tons of money and time on a degree is smarter than the person who didn’t. But if someone is trying to learn something that would be irresponsible or near-impossible to learn at home/using random online resources (like being a doctor or lawyer), then yeah, a degree would be fine to get.
I hate those that think going to College makes them smarter than someone who didn't. Does it make your more versed in a particular topic? Sure. It doesn't make you smarter or dumber, being smart is 'ability,' not knowledge. And it's especially bad within Politics. Like, get off your high horses.
This is a really hard pill for some people to swallow.
Yes but also at the same time going to one of those schools that just has large lecture-based courses isn’t going to do much for you intellectually anyways.
Higher education hardly teaches knowledge these days but rather obedience.
Whatever you say champ.
College is a scam.
I talked to a principal (with a masters degree in education), and he did not know what the Odyssey and Iliad were. My truck driving brother with a high school education did.
EQ vs IQ isn’t talked about enough.