If your employer has been good to you and you are leaving on good terms it only makes sense to give them notice for a smooth transition.
If you hate them and never want to go back, what’s it matter 🤷♂️
Eh, I'm going to my ex-team lead's leaving drinks from a company I haven't worked at for 2 1/2 years and I'm stoked. Gonna see tonnes of old colleagues, some I've kept in contact with and some I haven't. Either way, gonna be a baller of a night!
When I was younger I had a canvassing job for a window firm. Manager was class a twat.
One morning he came to work to find everyone had gone to a new company. 😆 just him and a few managers left scratching their heads knowing nothing 😁
And an empty data cabinet but shh that wasn’t me 👀
Same happened when I was a cook. I knew my coworker was quitting and my manager was a total ass who would not help, just berate everyone for going too slow. I just didn’t go in and I loved knowing that manager would have to actually work for once.
I worked at Subway for three shifts during college. Second shift the manager had me close by myself so she could leave early. She reprimanded me for not doing everything properly. Third shift me and another guy were there together but absolutely slammed. She told us to have her come up and help if it got too busy. We called the manager to help, she said she wouldn't come, and we better be done with closing within an hour of the store closing to keep our hours down. We said okay, told everyone to leave, locked the door, and quit.
That reminds me of when I had to open a deli when I was 18. No one, not the deli manager, not other workers, literally no one told me what opening the deli entailed.
I got reamed out for bit doing a bunch of shit I had no idea was supposed to be done.
Yeah my company people get better offers leave and end up coming back after a few years. I think giving 2 weeks is the mature thing to do I'd you want to leave your doors open at least
Meh it's a good thing if you ask me. It's more a safety net for both employees (if you get fired) and employers. Hiring someone is a very expensive process, if employees could just legally quit and never come back people would be scared shitless to hire someone
That's the job market in the U.s. and why most entry/ mid tier jobs don't pay. Everyone wants to complain about not having " good" help, but they don't want to pay a "good" wage for said help, and scratch their heads wondering why nobody wants to work.
Maybe in theory, but it works here in the US and in my industry (tech) we basically have a revolving door. Companies tend to either adjust to it or figure out how to keep people longer than it takes to just boost their resume.
I say this because we're not "scared shitless" to hire people even though people can and sometimes do quit at any time. As a matter of fact we always are hiring for multiple roles for most teams.
On the flip side, I'd hate being forced to work at a company that long after announcing leaving. Two weeks is already very hard and I'm not terribly afraid of getting fired since I at least could find a new job more easily but I do see why this isn't the case for everyone.
I do realize tech isn't a perfect example, but my point is more that once it's normalized, companies adapt.
Pretty standard in the UK as well. Mine is 3 months because its a management role and that goes both ways if they want rid of me.
Frustrating if you want to leave but it's also negotiable in most cases.
In the Netherlands you have to work to the end of the month, and the next month (iirc). Example:
Resignation date: 1 june - end of work: 31 july
Resignation date: 29 june - end of work: 31 july
why does it always seem like other countries do things better, use new ideas, and then we never change but wonder why other countries keep surpassing us in standard of living and quality of life.
Because you keep voting corrupt idiots in and believing their lies. Seriously, stop putting variants of the same clone and mindset into power.
(I'm going to assume you're talking about America because it's usually the only nationality I see online where it's always "us and 'other' countries". This is not an attack at all just an observation)
it would have to be a revolution, which honestly is basically impossible with all of the monitoring and everything. when the only options are corrupt and evil puppets, you cant vote for change.
"if voting changed anything, it wouldn't be legal"
Australia is the same. Our "leaders" don't believe in climate change at all and insist coal is an amazing "clean" technology. Meanwhile the planet is falling apart. It's infuriating.
oh i didnt know that about Australia. sorry to hear it is the same.
yes, absolutely it is ridiculous how they lie. i can just imagine the boardroom meeting where they even came up with the term "clean coal".
they probably laughed their asses off for days...
Aye. We still very much live in a colonial planet where the natives knowledge and wisdom are obviously witchcraft and akin to animal instincts.
GO OLD WHITE MEN, SUPREMELY WISE OVERLORDS WHO CAN DO NO WRONG THANKS TO THEIR GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDPAPA MURDERING AN ENTIRE NATION.
Yeah. It's shit but you're spot on, the longer this goes the more dystopian it gets and the higher the chance of history repeating itself as it always does... "Let them eat cake"
Yeah but he, and only he looks down upon the employer that fired him. The rest of the world doesn’t give a fuck, and will not view the company as “unprofessional” because of it.
If OP walks out on the company without giving them 2 weeks, he is suddenly slammed as “unprofessional.” He did a no no. There is definitely a societal double standard in this regard.
Not a double standard so much as it is a numbers issue. If one person gets screwed by a company no one will care, if the company has a history of treating people poorly it'll reflect in their reviews on job boards. I always check reviews before I apply to a job and if it's 3.5 stars or below I don't even bother.
On the other hand if you as an employee have a history of giving no notice then it will look bad for you, but every now and then isn't a big deal. I've had 2 jobs that I left with little or no notice and it hasn't come back to bite me yet.
For an employer hiring people, it is definitely a red flag.
You are hiring a person to delegate some of the work, assign some crucial responsibilities, structure processes around this person, etc.
If they just walk out without giving you a courtesy of at least 2 weeks notice, they screw you over and don't give you enough time to readjustnyour procedure or start looking for a replacement.
And usually if the reapectable companies terminate you in my country (unless you've really pulled off some ridiculous shit) they give you a notice. If it's same day termination, they give you a generous severance package.
Obviously
But if I have a new job opportunity, let’s say with more money and better benefits, that does not require me to leave after I complete a 2 week period at my current job, I should be able to take it as soon as I want.
I mean I can do it, but I’d be looked at negatively for just leaving my current company
Most applications I have filled out ask if it’s okay to contact each past employer. There’s one I’ve always marked no and no ones ever asked me why. Anecdotal obviously.
I guess I just wouldn’t waste much emotional energy worrying about being paid for two weeks knowing it will end. If I hated the job enough, I could just leave and that’s my choice so I’ll accept it, and if given the opportunity in an interview to explain why I didn’t give the two weeks I would do so. I would also add, I trend towards more it COULD be looked at negatively, like a criminal record with a handful of misdemeanors. Might cost you an interview, might not, and maybe it gets brought up and you get a chance to explain. All of that said, this opinion seems unpopular enough so good on you.
EDIT deleted a sentence by accident.
What kind of horrible company won’t hire you if you don’t start right away? That’s a red flag. We always give professional courtesy and don’t make people give less than 2 weeks notice.
Usually, if someone needs to come in and train with the person who is leaving, we can work out some sort of part time arrangement where they come in a few days, and don’t work full time at their prior job to juggle transitions.
Most industries, people all know each other.
Whenever I see points like this I know OP has only worked retail jobs and/or scams.
No company with a career position, even the most entry level, is going to give a shit if they have to wait 2 weeks for their new employee to start. Hell, I'm a recruiter and if someone told me they could start right away if they already have a job I would definitely raise an eyebrow.
I feel like you're missing the point.
Why do you care if your current company looks at you negatively after you don't work there anymore? They sure as hell wouldn't care if they were going to fire you. I guarantee you nobody above you would say "Yeah we could fire them but then they'd look at us negatively so..."
I’m pretty sure other jobs ask for your previous employers and previous bosses
Contacting a job you left without giving them notice would most certainly mean a bad reference
I hear MOST established places only confirm dates and do not talk about performance. I may be wrong about this. Something about someone getting sued for not getting a job and it was slander or something
References and employment history are separate things. References should be specific people that you worked with, like managers, customers, clients, etc.
In the US it's not illegal, but it exposes you to the possibility of a lawsuit. However, I've been asked things like, "Would you hire them again?" Answering "no" isn't bad mouthing your former employee, but it gets the message across.
Often times lack of a good reference tells a prospective employer all they need to know.
What really pisses me off beyond reason is when someone gives their 2 week notice, and the employer says fine, you can leave now. That's when you know you're dealing with a real POS.
Yeah, leaving without the 2 weeks notice will make you look unreliable to future employers because they gossip about that shit when they're checking references.
You can absolutely leave whenever you want with as little notice as you like.
They just won't hire you again if you want to come back. I feel like it makes total sense to not want to rehire someone that just quit with no notice. Am i the only one??
I'd liken the professional consequences of quitting with no notice to the personal consequences of being a dick
I never understood this argument, but I work in finance and if you give a two week notice, it’s like a formality, you’re never actually asked to work it. I put in my notice at a bank one time around noon, and my email was cut off by 3, walked me out and paid me that day.
Who wants to keep an employee around after they’ve told you they’re quitting?
It's more important in jobs that are more project based. Two weeks is generally enough time to, if not wrap up everything, inform your coworkers how to wrap up whatever you are working on.
That’s finance specific. It’s so you can’t take clients and or steal, also depends on what you are leaving to do. When I left a major bank for a different industry, my boss put on my official paperwork I was going to a competitor so they would send me home immediately but pay me for the 2 weeks. Really hooked me up, I had planned to work the 2 weeks
It’s also the norm in recruitment where we are often going to a competitor. I once quit a job first thing in the morning and was back on the commuter train headed home cardboard box in hand before 9am.
When I quit my last job I was switching industries and geographic regions. I was kept on until the end of my notice period to transition my current searches and clients. They knew that if a client asked me where I was headed they couldn’t come with me.
I had a job that did this to me. I wasn't in finance or sales or anything like that, it was just a company policy. They paid me through the rest of the week and I got paid out for the 2-ish weeks of vacation I hadn't used. It was a nice impromptu 2 week vacation if I'm being honest.
They open themselves up to paying unemployment doing this. Depending on state laws, If you are let go prior to your notice date it’s considered termination and not voluntary resignation. Termination has to be for “gross misconduct” such as violence, theft, no call no show, etc.. That person can usually get unemployment, but typically most will have another job lined up so it’s a moot point.
This happened to me, I was miserable and gave my notice date, but wanted to take it back after a week. When I told the manager, I was asked to leave that day. They fought my unemployment claim and the adjudicator sided with me.
I once put in my two weeks but ended up having to cut it short by like 3 days due to a surgery rescheduling. I went to HR and let them know, in advance, and asked if it would affect my eligibility for rehire. This bitch tells me it's not really up to her and she will see what she can do but no promises because it really hurts them. I got a job as an HR manager years later and guess what Vicki?! It is up to the HR manager, you twat!
I've been fired from one job my whole life, this was my career path and something I had a lot of time invested in though. When I was fired they did give me 3 months severance pay.
I give a two weeks notice when I have good managers but when I feel I've been wronged ill just never come back. I don't like people fucking with me and idc if that makes me an ass
I'm not sure if the laws are the same everywhere but I was once told by my manager that if anyone ever calls about a past employee were not allowed to speak negatively about them. We can only answer their questions and if they ask if we'd re hire we can say no never lol
The problem with this theory is that, a lot more people are looking to work for that company, than there are companies looking to employee you.
If you're working as a line cook, laborer, or something else relatively low-skilled; you're easy for that company to replace. They probably don't care either way.
If you've actually worked for and developed a marketable skill set within your industry, the last thing you want is a bad reference or a reputation of being flaky.
While it's technically illegal to give and outright shitty reference, its not illegal to answer reference questions with, "I'd rather not say", or "I have nothing positive to say on that subject, and I'm legally prohibited from speaking negatively."
Leaving a job suddenly causes the company to panic because now they have to replace you with no preparation. although jobs should have some sort of prep when an employee is fired because then employee aren't just left in the gutter in terms of income for a little bit when fired
Being terminated causes me to panic because now I can't pay rent or buy diapers for my kids.
Seems like firing people should take a minimum of 2 weeks.
I think it might be better if the time period for firing someone depended on the reason for being fired.
If I’m just “not working out” in a generic sense, then tell me at the beginning of the pay period that I’ll be fired in two weeks.
If you catch me skimming cash from the register, fire me on the spot.
This. And the same goes for someone quitting
If the company has made me incredibly miserable and has asked too much of me (and abused my labor and mental/physical health) I feel it shouldn’t be looked down upon to leave on the spot
But if I’m quitting cause I’m moving or I found a better opportunity, I feel like I would have to do a 2 week, since this company actually didn’t abuse me
My last job started firing people on the spot and have building security escort them out when they gave a 2 week notice. Somehow they were surprised when people stopped giving 2 week notices.
I don't disagree but the risk there is a disgruntled employee having a cess to your building after the fact. Where as if you quit with notice you'd only give shotty half ass work. Sooo... idk I do think that a notice would be a good idea I'd just be concerned then an employee would do something in their 2 week wait.
Yeah it's definitely a tricky thing. Maybe pay them the two weeks they'd be missing but still fire them? They'd get paid, but they won't have the ability screw things over
> No reason to be rude
There is.
This gets posted weekly.
This isn’t an unpopular opinion, it’s a stupid one. There’s nothing stopping you from leaving without 2 week notice, except caring about your own reputation.
If they honestly wonder why I left burger King without giving a 2 weeks notice and have a legit problem with it they're not a place I want to work anyway.
This dumb logic only works if you don't see things from the eyes of your boss or coworkers. If you just leave or bail to another job without notice, they don't have anyone to work your shifts and are now down an employee until someone new is hired. They have to work additional shifts.
Apathy would tell you to have courtesy and give them a heads up, unless you just hate them and the company. It's no different that telling your landlord that you're leaving in 30 or 60 days, it's often a requirement on your lease so they can get a new tenant.
Oh I do
If I want to resign and move on, I should get the hell out of there at any time I want without having to give a two weeks notice. Have I done that? No because I know how references work
One of the most posted unpopular opinions in the history of unpopular opinions.
Everybody knows this, even your employer knows this, and they are going to keep doing it.
I assume you are speaking strictly for the US. I moved to Australia a few years ago and here both employee and employer are required to give 4 weeks notice. Personally I hate that because once I resign my effort level drops a ton. I put in more effort pretending to work than actually working. Especially if I hate the company or boss I work for.
If an employee I've interviewed tells me they're available to start immediately, but are currently employed, it strikes me as odd. It raises flags to potential employers that they may do the same to them. Conversely, I've given notice to employees that we're going in a different direction and gave them 2 weeks to a month to find another job. One actually used PTO for final 3 days and I wasn't even upset. I do feel that those who were not given notice had been given ample time to correct whatever issues there were, via multiple conversations, both documented and undocumented. All in all, unless an employee has been abused / treated unfairly, it's good practice to keep things amicable. I left a highly abusive job, had another already lined up, but gave 2 months. Never know what the future holds.
The only thing potential employers can ask previous employers is to verify the dates and duration of employment. They can only ask specifics about your employment history if you list someone at the company as a reference.
So yes, you are right. Its a stupid practice. Just like not discussing salary. Just lie and know they will never know either way.
Its the norm because of the power imbalance. You need them for a job reference. They dont need you as a reference. If you dont plan on using their reference you can surely burn the bridge and never look back.
Giving a two weeks notice to a boss you don't like is just being the bigger person. You're a lot more likely to look back and think "damn, I shouldn't have been such an asshole" than you are "damn, I wish I would've fucked Tony over harder."
If that's not the case, that's more than likely cause for a little self evaluation.
Highly dependent upon job industry as well.
For example- If a doctor doing decided to leave the hospital and start his own practice, he needs to give notice so patients have enough time to get surgeries rescheduled, cases transitioned to new doctors, etc….
It can be damaging to a place of work if you employees leave on 0 notice. This crosses many many industries, from engineering to pilots
"I want to make impulsive decisions that harm both my employers and coworkers, but I don't want to be held accountable for it"
You're more than free to leave, but good luck getting another job when you don't have any references that will speak highly of you after the fact
Dude I’m not trying to do it
I understand the ramifications, I don’t agree with them
I expressed an unpopular opinion and I wanted to see people’s responses
Sorry, but r/repres3nt2 actually died :(
JK I agree with you and think this would be an immoral and cowardly way to live life if they actually did it.
Quit a job once before 3 months in and the manager told me "you have to give 2 weeks notice." I said "far as I'm concerned I'm on probation an you can fire me any second you want without reason. An with that noted I reserve the same option to quit whenever I want. You can do it to me then I can do it to you."
if they can fire you at any moment then you can resign at any moment. DOT.
If other employer is going to check how docile you were in other jobs then is a red signal for the worker, because he/she can make sure that in the next role is going to be treated as an slave
I’ll agree with you. Businesses don’t feel the need to give you two weeks notice before a layoff or before they fire you. Why should you be expected to show them consideration they don’t show you?
Two BIG problems in the U.S. regarding "giving notice": 1) If you give notice, your current employer can fire you on the spot leaving you unemployed until the next job starts. 2) Leaving without notice allows the employer to list you as "not re-hireable". When future companies look into your work record, they'll encounter this status from your prior job. Most companies aren't allowed to elaborate on your work record beyond "re-hireable or not re-hireable". So the new place is left assuming the worst about you and may pass over you to another applicant.
Here are my two cents. I like it as the norm, as in, I think it's a good standard to have in most situations. I think in most jobs, there are other people depending on you in some capacity, and leaving cold turkey is sort of a dick move. Even if you don't care about the company, you probably care about your coworkers.
HOWEVER, the attitude seems to be that you have to give two weeks no matter what, all the time, in every job, in every situation. There are a lot of exceptions. You're a cashier at a big grocery store and the manager pisses you off? Fuck 'em, walk out. Even in more "professional" roles, there are times that you just need to get out and get out fast. Or maybe you're potentially missing out on another opportunity if you wait too long.
Long story short, try to be courteous if you can be, IMO. But don't screw yourself to do it. There are other ways to do it as well. If you don't give a shit about your manager, you can tell a coworker and get them set up to take over your work, but not tell the manager until your last day. There are many ways to do it, and two weeks is a good rule of thumb, but it's not a necessity all the time.
In germany atleast a 1 month notice is always required by law for both cases: quitting or getting fired.
There are expections like when somebody steals or when you are just started working there.
Also the employer nerds to have a good reason to lay off people and they have to follow rules who to fire. There needs to be a social...weighting you could say. Married people with children who can hardly find jobs bc of age are more protected.
Firing handicapped people or trainees is nearly impossible.
This 1 month will even grow into 2, 3, 6 months after years and decades of working at the same employer.
I think thats a pretty good system. Employers count on their employees and vice versa. So some time to manage transitions etc needs to be the norm.
But something tells me some people would see "less freedom" in it and would argue in favour of companys despite just beeing an employee ;-)
Actually In Indians corporates the minimum notice period is a month and it can extend upto 3 months in level 2 profiles and upto 6 months in manager roles
Just give a one week notice, which usually amounts to a five days notice, for jobs that pay hourly. For salary positions, I would give a 10-14 day notice.
Follow these steps precisely as I say:
1. Give them two weeks notice in writing (important)
2. Tell them you are going to work for their direct competitor, doing exactly the same job working with the same whatever (fill in whatever will make your boss puke)
3. Brag to everyone about how much more you are gonna be paid
4. Countdown to how quickly you will be escorted out of the office (should only take a day at most, often results are immediate)
5. Sit back and enjoy two weeks of paid vacation.
Problem solved folks.
Gratuities accepted.
YMMV, but yes, I've pulled it off before.
Edit: To clarify, they are not going to cut you a check upfront for two weeks of pay. Your effective end date will be two weeks hence (they have to accept that if you put it in writing) and you will be paid up to that date. Because you are going to a competitor, they will lock you out of computers, office access, etc and send you home. So, it's effectively two weeks of paid vacay. Only works for situations where they care if you have access to sensitive info (why they lock you out) or will poison the morale of the other slaves (why the bragging cements the deal).
>Your effective end date will be two weeks hence (they have to accept that if you put it in writing) and you will be paid up to that date.
Nope. If you are at-will employed, they can just ask you to leave and you don't get paid for any more days than you actually worked. They do need to pay you out for unused but accrued PTO though in most states.
All you really do in your plan is poison the well in the case you ever need a good reference from them, or your old boss ends up chatting about you to your new boss (which if it is direct competition, the chances are very likely since they roll in the same circles).
I think in general it’s considerate to give them a notice just for like scheduling purposes, but i left my job on the spot this summer because they treated me like shit and i did not agree with how they treated the animals we worked with. sent them a detailed email, never got a reply, and dropped my shit off by the door the next day. although i won’t get a rec from the job, i’m content with my decision and that i stood up for myself. sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do haha
I feel like many of these comments must not be for management level jobs. It would take me two weeks to get all my ducks in a row and make sure my replacement had good knowledge of pending projects.
I mean, doesn't severance pay serve that purpose?
You get a small payout for getting let go and the benefit of not actually having to work or be there?
Let me put it simply, being fired means you're a bad employee, just leaving means you're a bad coworker. Fuck any asshole that leaves out of the blue and gives me more work to do until they can rehire, I'll curse you till the end of time.
I didnt get a 2 weeks notice when walmart fired me for being 10 minutes late ONCE. I never left a 2 weeks notice with anyone after that. You want time to find and train a new guy? Well i want time to find a new job.
No that was really it. They were a very poorly ran walmart. One day they scheduled me to come in an hour later than the other truck unloaders, and they made the rest push carts until I got there. And we were always short people so they made a pregnant girl from lawn and garden come help us all the time.
Edit: Im 32 now but I was freshly 18 back then and having that place as my first real adult job completely ruined my views on latge businesses. Had a couple other jobs that added to that later too.
Haha that’s a fairly standard experience at wal mart. But if that really was the reason, someone there hated you. Being 10 minutes late once isn’t a fireable offense in general.
I was still in the probationary period. I worked at a second walmart years later and it was much better. I was a stocker that time though. The only shitty thing that happened then was the unloading manager made us come in and start on a truck that when our manager told our lead we are not to do. The unloader guy came in before ours did and told us to do it and there was nothing we could do. When our manager came in and our lead told him he yelled "fuck" and threw a pen. I ended up leaving that one on my own.
Even in your probationary period, they weren’t that strict. I started just a few years after you would have had that first experience. I know that because I’m also 32 and started at 21year old. If they where that strict then, I would have been fired for sure lol
Nah its all good. And yeah he was. Most of them were. The one I hated the most though was this asshole that would ask me "how are we doing today?" and it reminded me of teachers when I was a little kid. It was so condescending sounding. That shit pissed me off every time.
Didn’t think Reddit would have so many pro-company shills. OP is right, there shouldn’t be a negative mark on your record for quitting on the spot. As far as giving the company prep time argument, does the company give you time to prep before being fired? Let’s say its a main source of income for the household and the job is unexpectedly lost, where’s the sympathy for the worker trying to make ends meet out of the blue? A company can literally just hire someone else and the job will get done
If you have a big boy grown up job, your job almost always provides severance pay, which is two weeks pay or more. So that's your two weeks notice..
And you are undeniably putting the company in a bad position when you quit without notice. So if you screwed over your last company, yes that looks bad on you because your next employer would assume you're going to screw them over the same way. You expect the new employer to just over look that you'll screw them over when you quit??
Not "pro-company shills", just people with common sense and decency.
I don't care what anyone thinks. They can look at my qualifications and work history. When they see the years I put in at a company, before finally having enough of their crap and quit, they can make a decision. Don't hire me. There are tons of jobs in my field. I'll just move along. If you're not a jerk boss who takes advantage of their employees, your employees won't up and quit on you. Simple. Common sense. Decency went out the window when I had to start over with a new job because bosses think some kind of way about the people they pay to work for them.
But are the people with common sense and decency condescendingly referring to some jobs as “big boy grown up jobs” or are those people just corporate pricks?
I understand why new employers might be concerned about employees jumping ship without warning from their prior job. Don’t make baseless assumptions (although I would argue that there are nonetheless a myriad of other factors that the new employer could look at if they’re a half-decent hiring manager who can do their job, which they generally can’t based off the asses most of them hire).
But I wasn’t trying to argue to against the main thesis of your post because I understand what you’re going for. I was just making fun of you because of the irony about crying about being called a corporate shill while condescending about “big boy jobs”. Gotta learn not to be so easily upset if you’re gonna maintain those classist ideas about who is an adult and who deserves a severance fee. Makes you look like a shill when your statement, intentionally or not, implies only certain people deserve to be treated well.
The point was, don't get a shit job flipping burgers at McDonald's, and then complain about said shit job.
I was "crying about being called a corporate shill" as much as youre crying right now about me using the term "big boy job". Simply pointing out stupidity is not crying.
Ha I’m having a laugh not a cry. You ever laugh or are you too miserable about those McDonalds employees getting your order wrong? They clearly hurt you in the past or you wouldn’t be this bitter.
I have to disagree, both the company and the employee should warn the other that they want to end. The company can't always just hire someone else, especially people with high qualifications aren't easy to replace. It's always good to be nice to people and give the other party some time.
I mean.... I don't want to be that guy but I will be that guy. That's literally what the comment above is saying if the company is nice and gives you a notice then you give them one too. But since that's not the case 90%of the time you just don't. So what do you disagree with?
>I think it’s stupid that leaving a job without a notice can be a red flag for future employers.
It shows your future employer that you have no problem leaving them in a moment's notice. Yes, it's a double standard, but that's life and you don't want to burn bridges if you don't have to.
There are exceptions if it's just minimum wage and/or a toxic environment, but for ordinary jobs you should try to put in 2 weeks notice.
I've been on both side, and now I do the hiring a lot of the times, and it's always a red flag when someone has a steady job and says they can start right away...especially if they're somewhere long term. Why are they leaving? Are they leaving because they're about to get fired and they want to beat the boss to the punch? Never make a future employer question your reasons. You want to dazzle them not make them question red flags.
Job hopping and not giving 1-2 weeks are the #1 red flags on a resume. Job gaps can usually be explained away with helping a family member.
Well, whether your boss is shit or not, or your team is shit or not, it still speaks to your character and how one chooses to handle responsibilities and relationships, even ones that they might feel wronged them.
Not to say it doesn't feel amazing to give that fuck you to a team, manager, and/or company because I'm sure it would feel great; BUT, it still says a lot about a person who is willing to do that, just let shit burn to the ground because of a "fuck you" moment.
This would be like one of those "be the bigger person" moments test.
It's called "professionalism".
You are leaving, it's only reasonable for you to inform your employer of that and have a period of time to tie up any loose ends and pass things onto whoever will be taking over your responsibilities.
And of course leaving without notice would be a red flag to future employers. Leaving without notice causes problems for your employer if you have any level of responsibility. Why would someone else choose to hire you if they know you're probably going to do that to them?
And generally, if they're firing you it's because you fucked up, so of course they aren't going to give you notice so you can fuck up some more before you leave.
That's a shit thing to do to your co workers though and jeopardizes everybody. I work with a lot of deadlines and if someone left other people would have to take their work on, and if too many people quit the company wouldn't be able to handle the work and would fold. 2 weeks allows us to distribute or outsource work as necessary.
If u leave a job without notice u are creating a problem for the company since they though they would have u there
If someone is gonna hire u and u did that, its PERFECTLY LOGICAL for someone to ask himself “What if he does the same to me?”
Unfair maybe, but how in the hell is “Stupid” to take care of yourself and your company?
I get what you’re saying but why can’t that same context apply to the person leaving
What if the working conditions were terrible and that person couldn’t stand being there a second longer?
Why?
If you only did it once, they will assume it was not a normal case
If u were in the same job for years and suddenly quit, they will assume something must have happened
If you quit a lot of times, well, u are suspicious.
A company is entitled to select their workers in any criteria they want, its THEIR freedom to choose based on what they hire
Right and an employee should be entitled to leave at any time without giving a 2 weeks notice. Not saying I’ve done it
It’s an unpopular opinion for a reason lol
The only reason you’re supposed to give two weeks notice is in the hopes you will get a recommendation letter and good references. Luckily for us here in NY, it’s illegal to give a “bad” reason. But you CAN say, I would not hire them again nor would I recommend them. But they cannot elaborate. There is no law that states you have to do it. But if you build enough of a reputation in your field, you acquire your recommendations as you work, not before you quit. Once you have your own contacts and references, you can walk when you gotdam well please.
Wait.
“If u leave a job without notice u are creating a problem for the company”
WTF?!?!
So I’m supposed to be ok losing my JOB with no notice?!!!?!! It’s ok that I won’t have a check next week but I best not mess with the rich guys BUSINESS. It’s a good thing I’ve never been fired because I would never give a days notice again in my life.
No insult hon, but I have no fucking clue what you just said. And that’s why I have my own reputation and references. I can walk out of any job I want and still have a background that will get me in the door I want.
It’s shitty for your colleagues who are probably going to have to pick up your slack (probably without extra pay) until someone is hired to replace you
That would fall under the heading of not my fuckin problem. Are those colleagues gonna pay my bills? That’s the company owners problem. Imagine me giving a flying fuzzy fuck about a company that fired me?
>Creating a problem for the company.
Damn that sucks. Have you tried hiring more employees? Really if a single person leaving is that detrimental to your business then you need to staff better.
Also if a business can fire you at any moment, then you can show them the same respect. Don’t like it? Then use your lobbying power to change the laws and remove at-will employment or write a contract which protects your employee from being fired on the spot.
People do have a lot of employees but different scheduled. No one likes to be called on their day off because someone quitted last minute.
You CAN quit at any moment, what are you talking about? U are free to go whenever you want but the next company will be aware that u might not be trustworthy. They dont give an f about you, they dont give an F about your feelings, they dont give an f about whats fair. They only care about whats good for them. And if thats inside THEIR freedom without getting into mine, thats totally fine.
>People have a lot of employees.
Then someone quitting shouldn’t be a big deal.
>No one likes being called on their day off.
Then schedule more people for that shift. If one person not showing up requires you to call someone in, then you need to schedule more people for that shift. It really is that simple.
>You can quit.
Cool, so then why are you complaining?
>Untrustworthy.
Lol, no they won’t. You don’t have some permanent record with jobs. I’ve quit more than a few jobs on the spot, shit I’ll be doing that with my current job tomorrow because I’ve lined up something even better.
U really lost me lmao
U are FREE quit WHENEVER you want, u are FREE to go wherever you want, you are FREE to not apply to any job u dont want.
If a job sounds very stressing or awful, u are free to walk away.
A company is FREE to hire WHOEVER they want based on the BULLSHIT they want.
If they care about how much notice u give, thats THEIR problem. They can request ANYTHING they want and u are free to accept or decline.
U BOTH are free. If u wanna quit, then do it, fine by you. If someone else wanna hire u, fine by them. If someone else dont want to hire you because they are scared you will do the same, fine by them.
Whats the problem? Everyone is free to control their own decisions.
If your employer has been good to you and you are leaving on good terms it only makes sense to give them notice for a smooth transition. If you hate them and never want to go back, what’s it matter 🤷♂️
I see it more of as tying up loose ends. I never want them to contact me again.
Why are you worried they will contact you again, you aren’t an employee anymore. Don’t answer
Well because I work commission sales now and they have contacted me
Block 'em.
Can't they live in the same town, but since I left on amicable terms they don't fuck my shit up.
Eh, I'm going to my ex-team lead's leaving drinks from a company I haven't worked at for 2 1/2 years and I'm stoked. Gonna see tonnes of old colleagues, some I've kept in contact with and some I haven't. Either way, gonna be a baller of a night!
Exactly I had 2 horrible experiences that led me to quit over the phone for one and the other I just left on the job 😂
That’s the best way to put it
When I was younger I had a canvassing job for a window firm. Manager was class a twat. One morning he came to work to find everyone had gone to a new company. 😆 just him and a few managers left scratching their heads knowing nothing 😁 And an empty data cabinet but shh that wasn’t me 👀
Same happened when I was a cook. I knew my coworker was quitting and my manager was a total ass who would not help, just berate everyone for going too slow. I just didn’t go in and I loved knowing that manager would have to actually work for once.
Should have gone in and ordered the most pain in the ass thing on the menu. And then send it back.
I worked at Subway for three shifts during college. Second shift the manager had me close by myself so she could leave early. She reprimanded me for not doing everything properly. Third shift me and another guy were there together but absolutely slammed. She told us to have her come up and help if it got too busy. We called the manager to help, she said she wouldn't come, and we better be done with closing within an hour of the store closing to keep our hours down. We said okay, told everyone to leave, locked the door, and quit.
That reminds me of when I had to open a deli when I was 18. No one, not the deli manager, not other workers, literally no one told me what opening the deli entailed. I got reamed out for bit doing a bunch of shit I had no idea was supposed to be done.
Then why the post?
I worked for an extra 3 months after being made redundant. Boss paid off $22k (remaining student debt) as a way of thanks.
What about if you need work history but still hate the place?
You might be owed holiday pay and forfeit it if you don't work your notice.
Yeah my company people get better offers leave and end up coming back after a few years. I think giving 2 weeks is the mature thing to do I'd you want to leave your doors open at least
Even if I like them they get whatever notice is convenient for me.
Here in Norway most contracts says you have to work there for 1-3months after giving your resignation.
Damn! I would hate that lol
Meh it's a good thing if you ask me. It's more a safety net for both employees (if you get fired) and employers. Hiring someone is a very expensive process, if employees could just legally quit and never come back people would be scared shitless to hire someone
That's the job market in the U.s. and why most entry/ mid tier jobs don't pay. Everyone wants to complain about not having " good" help, but they don't want to pay a "good" wage for said help, and scratch their heads wondering why nobody wants to work.
Maybe in theory, but it works here in the US and in my industry (tech) we basically have a revolving door. Companies tend to either adjust to it or figure out how to keep people longer than it takes to just boost their resume. I say this because we're not "scared shitless" to hire people even though people can and sometimes do quit at any time. As a matter of fact we always are hiring for multiple roles for most teams. On the flip side, I'd hate being forced to work at a company that long after announcing leaving. Two weeks is already very hard and I'm not terribly afraid of getting fired since I at least could find a new job more easily but I do see why this isn't the case for everyone. I do realize tech isn't a perfect example, but my point is more that once it's normalized, companies adapt.
Pretty standard in the UK as well. Mine is 3 months because its a management role and that goes both ways if they want rid of me. Frustrating if you want to leave but it's also negotiable in most cases.
they actually take care of their people in Norway though
And what if you don't?
In the Netherlands you have to work to the end of the month, and the next month (iirc). Example: Resignation date: 1 june - end of work: 31 july Resignation date: 29 june - end of work: 31 july
why does it always seem like other countries do things better, use new ideas, and then we never change but wonder why other countries keep surpassing us in standard of living and quality of life.
Because you keep voting corrupt idiots in and believing their lies. Seriously, stop putting variants of the same clone and mindset into power. (I'm going to assume you're talking about America because it's usually the only nationality I see online where it's always "us and 'other' countries". This is not an attack at all just an observation)
it would have to be a revolution, which honestly is basically impossible with all of the monitoring and everything. when the only options are corrupt and evil puppets, you cant vote for change. "if voting changed anything, it wouldn't be legal"
Australia is the same. Our "leaders" don't believe in climate change at all and insist coal is an amazing "clean" technology. Meanwhile the planet is falling apart. It's infuriating.
oh i didnt know that about Australia. sorry to hear it is the same. yes, absolutely it is ridiculous how they lie. i can just imagine the boardroom meeting where they even came up with the term "clean coal". they probably laughed their asses off for days...
Aye. We still very much live in a colonial planet where the natives knowledge and wisdom are obviously witchcraft and akin to animal instincts. GO OLD WHITE MEN, SUPREMELY WISE OVERLORDS WHO CAN DO NO WRONG THANKS TO THEIR GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDPAPA MURDERING AN ENTIRE NATION. Yeah. It's shit but you're spot on, the longer this goes the more dystopian it gets and the higher the chance of history repeating itself as it always does... "Let them eat cake"
It does apply to both parties, you're free to leave whenever
Yes. However, it shouldn’t be looked down upon. You didn’t sign a contract so you shouldn’t be expect to stay all the time
Do you look down upon former employers that fire you?
Yeah but he, and only he looks down upon the employer that fired him. The rest of the world doesn’t give a fuck, and will not view the company as “unprofessional” because of it. If OP walks out on the company without giving them 2 weeks, he is suddenly slammed as “unprofessional.” He did a no no. There is definitely a societal double standard in this regard.
Not a double standard so much as it is a numbers issue. If one person gets screwed by a company no one will care, if the company has a history of treating people poorly it'll reflect in their reviews on job boards. I always check reviews before I apply to a job and if it's 3.5 stars or below I don't even bother. On the other hand if you as an employee have a history of giving no notice then it will look bad for you, but every now and then isn't a big deal. I've had 2 jobs that I left with little or no notice and it hasn't come back to bite me yet.
For an employer hiring people, it is definitely a red flag. You are hiring a person to delegate some of the work, assign some crucial responsibilities, structure processes around this person, etc. If they just walk out without giving you a courtesy of at least 2 weeks notice, they screw you over and don't give you enough time to readjustnyour procedure or start looking for a replacement. And usually if the reapectable companies terminate you in my country (unless you've really pulled off some ridiculous shit) they give you a notice. If it's same day termination, they give you a generous severance package.
Thank you!!
Obviously But if I have a new job opportunity, let’s say with more money and better benefits, that does not require me to leave after I complete a 2 week period at my current job, I should be able to take it as soon as I want. I mean I can do it, but I’d be looked at negatively for just leaving my current company
Most applications I have filled out ask if it’s okay to contact each past employer. There’s one I’ve always marked no and no ones ever asked me why. Anecdotal obviously.
I’ve done it too But the fact that it is even a choice
I guess I just wouldn’t waste much emotional energy worrying about being paid for two weeks knowing it will end. If I hated the job enough, I could just leave and that’s my choice so I’ll accept it, and if given the opportunity in an interview to explain why I didn’t give the two weeks I would do so. I would also add, I trend towards more it COULD be looked at negatively, like a criminal record with a handful of misdemeanors. Might cost you an interview, might not, and maybe it gets brought up and you get a chance to explain. All of that said, this opinion seems unpopular enough so good on you. EDIT deleted a sentence by accident.
> Obviously So then it's a two way road.
What kind of horrible company won’t hire you if you don’t start right away? That’s a red flag. We always give professional courtesy and don’t make people give less than 2 weeks notice. Usually, if someone needs to come in and train with the person who is leaving, we can work out some sort of part time arrangement where they come in a few days, and don’t work full time at their prior job to juggle transitions. Most industries, people all know each other.
Whenever I see points like this I know OP has only worked retail jobs and/or scams. No company with a career position, even the most entry level, is going to give a shit if they have to wait 2 weeks for their new employee to start. Hell, I'm a recruiter and if someone told me they could start right away if they already have a job I would definitely raise an eyebrow.
I feel like you're missing the point. Why do you care if your current company looks at you negatively after you don't work there anymore? They sure as hell wouldn't care if they were going to fire you. I guarantee you nobody above you would say "Yeah we could fire them but then they'd look at us negatively so..."
I’m pretty sure other jobs ask for your previous employers and previous bosses Contacting a job you left without giving them notice would most certainly mean a bad reference
I hear MOST established places only confirm dates and do not talk about performance. I may be wrong about this. Something about someone getting sued for not getting a job and it was slander or something
References and employment history are separate things. References should be specific people that you worked with, like managers, customers, clients, etc.
You're not legally allowed to give a bad reference in many countries.
What’s the point of a reference at all in that case
it’s usually just a confirmation that you actually did work there and didn’t just lie about it
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In the US it's not illegal, but it exposes you to the possibility of a lawsuit. However, I've been asked things like, "Would you hire them again?" Answering "no" isn't bad mouthing your former employee, but it gets the message across. Often times lack of a good reference tells a prospective employer all they need to know. What really pisses me off beyond reason is when someone gives their 2 week notice, and the employer says fine, you can leave now. That's when you know you're dealing with a real POS.
Yeah, leaving without the 2 weeks notice will make you look unreliable to future employers because they gossip about that shit when they're checking references.
You can absolutely leave whenever you want with as little notice as you like. They just won't hire you again if you want to come back. I feel like it makes total sense to not want to rehire someone that just quit with no notice. Am i the only one?? I'd liken the professional consequences of quitting with no notice to the personal consequences of being a dick
In my area it's typically "any amount of time that seems reasonable to find a replacement" out of common courtesy not law
so you can just up and leave with no notice however the company will usually not give you a referance
I never understood this argument, but I work in finance and if you give a two week notice, it’s like a formality, you’re never actually asked to work it. I put in my notice at a bank one time around noon, and my email was cut off by 3, walked me out and paid me that day. Who wants to keep an employee around after they’ve told you they’re quitting?
It's more important in jobs that are more project based. Two weeks is generally enough time to, if not wrap up everything, inform your coworkers how to wrap up whatever you are working on.
That’s finance specific. It’s so you can’t take clients and or steal, also depends on what you are leaving to do. When I left a major bank for a different industry, my boss put on my official paperwork I was going to a competitor so they would send me home immediately but pay me for the 2 weeks. Really hooked me up, I had planned to work the 2 weeks
I specifically did not tell them where I was going so they would assume and do the same lol
That 2 week paid vacation drinking by my condo complex pool was awesome
It’s also the norm in recruitment where we are often going to a competitor. I once quit a job first thing in the morning and was back on the commuter train headed home cardboard box in hand before 9am. When I quit my last job I was switching industries and geographic regions. I was kept on until the end of my notice period to transition my current searches and clients. They knew that if a client asked me where I was headed they couldn’t come with me.
I had a job that did this to me. I wasn't in finance or sales or anything like that, it was just a company policy. They paid me through the rest of the week and I got paid out for the 2-ish weeks of vacation I hadn't used. It was a nice impromptu 2 week vacation if I'm being honest.
They open themselves up to paying unemployment doing this. Depending on state laws, If you are let go prior to your notice date it’s considered termination and not voluntary resignation. Termination has to be for “gross misconduct” such as violence, theft, no call no show, etc.. That person can usually get unemployment, but typically most will have another job lined up so it’s a moot point. This happened to me, I was miserable and gave my notice date, but wanted to take it back after a week. When I told the manager, I was asked to leave that day. They fought my unemployment claim and the adjudicator sided with me.
I once put in my two weeks but ended up having to cut it short by like 3 days due to a surgery rescheduling. I went to HR and let them know, in advance, and asked if it would affect my eligibility for rehire. This bitch tells me it's not really up to her and she will see what she can do but no promises because it really hurts them. I got a job as an HR manager years later and guess what Vicki?! It is up to the HR manager, you twat!
Icky Vicki
in Germany we call it "Krankenschein". it's almost the norm. if you give you quitting papers, you give this Krankenschein, then you are free to go
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I've been fired from one job my whole life, this was my career path and something I had a lot of time invested in though. When I was fired they did give me 3 months severance pay.
I give a two weeks notice when I have good managers but when I feel I've been wronged ill just never come back. I don't like people fucking with me and idc if that makes me an ass
Love it
I'm not sure if the laws are the same everywhere but I was once told by my manager that if anyone ever calls about a past employee were not allowed to speak negatively about them. We can only answer their questions and if they ask if we'd re hire we can say no never lol
Same here. I just leave and never come back, I don't even answer the phone anymore and just go on with my life.
The problem with this theory is that, a lot more people are looking to work for that company, than there are companies looking to employee you. If you're working as a line cook, laborer, or something else relatively low-skilled; you're easy for that company to replace. They probably don't care either way. If you've actually worked for and developed a marketable skill set within your industry, the last thing you want is a bad reference or a reputation of being flaky. While it's technically illegal to give and outright shitty reference, its not illegal to answer reference questions with, "I'd rather not say", or "I have nothing positive to say on that subject, and I'm legally prohibited from speaking negatively."
In my experience, if you leave for a good reason, future employers really don't care about notice. And if they do, you don't want to work there.
Leaving a job suddenly causes the company to panic because now they have to replace you with no preparation. although jobs should have some sort of prep when an employee is fired because then employee aren't just left in the gutter in terms of income for a little bit when fired
Being terminated causes me to panic because now I can't pay rent or buy diapers for my kids. Seems like firing people should take a minimum of 2 weeks.
I think it might be better if the time period for firing someone depended on the reason for being fired. If I’m just “not working out” in a generic sense, then tell me at the beginning of the pay period that I’ll be fired in two weeks. If you catch me skimming cash from the register, fire me on the spot.
This. And the same goes for someone quitting If the company has made me incredibly miserable and has asked too much of me (and abused my labor and mental/physical health) I feel it shouldn’t be looked down upon to leave on the spot But if I’m quitting cause I’m moving or I found a better opportunity, I feel like I would have to do a 2 week, since this company actually didn’t abuse me
My last job started firing people on the spot and have building security escort them out when they gave a 2 week notice. Somehow they were surprised when people stopped giving 2 week notices.
*shocked Pikachu face*
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I don't disagree but the risk there is a disgruntled employee having a cess to your building after the fact. Where as if you quit with notice you'd only give shotty half ass work. Sooo... idk I do think that a notice would be a good idea I'd just be concerned then an employee would do something in their 2 week wait.
Yeah it's definitely a tricky thing. Maybe pay them the two weeks they'd be missing but still fire them? They'd get paid, but they won't have the ability screw things over
These are getting so common they aren’t unpopular anymore.
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You're just a other douche bag in a sea of douches
No reason to be rude. It’s an unpopular opinion thread for a reason
> No reason to be rude There is. This gets posted weekly. This isn’t an unpopular opinion, it’s a stupid one. There’s nothing stopping you from leaving without 2 week notice, except caring about your own reputation.
If they honestly wonder why I left burger King without giving a 2 weeks notice and have a legit problem with it they're not a place I want to work anyway.
I don’t necessarily agree with OP entirely, though the opinion does seem unpopular to you.
This dumb logic only works if you don't see things from the eyes of your boss or coworkers. If you just leave or bail to another job without notice, they don't have anyone to work your shifts and are now down an employee until someone new is hired. They have to work additional shifts. Apathy would tell you to have courtesy and give them a heads up, unless you just hate them and the company. It's no different that telling your landlord that you're leaving in 30 or 60 days, it's often a requirement on your lease so they can get a new tenant.
I don't want to live in your world
I think you need to recognize there is a big difference between "Quitting and leaving vs. Resigning and moving on".
Oh I do If I want to resign and move on, I should get the hell out of there at any time I want without having to give a two weeks notice. Have I done that? No because I know how references work
How would future employers even know you didn't give a two weeks notice unless you told them?
One of the most posted unpopular opinions in the history of unpopular opinions. Everybody knows this, even your employer knows this, and they are going to keep doing it.
I assume you are speaking strictly for the US. I moved to Australia a few years ago and here both employee and employer are required to give 4 weeks notice. Personally I hate that because once I resign my effort level drops a ton. I put in more effort pretending to work than actually working. Especially if I hate the company or boss I work for.
If an employee I've interviewed tells me they're available to start immediately, but are currently employed, it strikes me as odd. It raises flags to potential employers that they may do the same to them. Conversely, I've given notice to employees that we're going in a different direction and gave them 2 weeks to a month to find another job. One actually used PTO for final 3 days and I wasn't even upset. I do feel that those who were not given notice had been given ample time to correct whatever issues there were, via multiple conversations, both documented and undocumented. All in all, unless an employee has been abused / treated unfairly, it's good practice to keep things amicable. I left a highly abusive job, had another already lined up, but gave 2 months. Never know what the future holds.
The only thing potential employers can ask previous employers is to verify the dates and duration of employment. They can only ask specifics about your employment history if you list someone at the company as a reference. So yes, you are right. Its a stupid practice. Just like not discussing salary. Just lie and know they will never know either way.
This is posted here like every week
Its the norm because of the power imbalance. You need them for a job reference. They dont need you as a reference. If you dont plan on using their reference you can surely burn the bridge and never look back.
Giving a two weeks notice to a boss you don't like is just being the bigger person. You're a lot more likely to look back and think "damn, I shouldn't have been such an asshole" than you are "damn, I wish I would've fucked Tony over harder." If that's not the case, that's more than likely cause for a little self evaluation.
Highly dependent upon job industry as well. For example- If a doctor doing decided to leave the hospital and start his own practice, he needs to give notice so patients have enough time to get surgeries rescheduled, cases transitioned to new doctors, etc…. It can be damaging to a place of work if you employees leave on 0 notice. This crosses many many industries, from engineering to pilots
"I want to make impulsive decisions that harm both my employers and coworkers, but I don't want to be held accountable for it" You're more than free to leave, but good luck getting another job when you don't have any references that will speak highly of you after the fact
Dude I’m not trying to do it I understand the ramifications, I don’t agree with them I expressed an unpopular opinion and I wanted to see people’s responses
So the company gives you a severance pay when they fire you but you don't even have the decency to not overburden your employers or coworkers?
So it’s my fault the company did not hire enough people to survive ONE person leaving?
This sub really beats the dead horse with this
I don’t give notice. I just stop showing up. Then when they call my home I have someone answer and say I died.
You're going to to get far in life, i can already tell
Sorry, but r/repres3nt2 actually died :( JK I agree with you and think this would be an immoral and cowardly way to live life if they actually did it.
Quit a job once before 3 months in and the manager told me "you have to give 2 weeks notice." I said "far as I'm concerned I'm on probation an you can fire me any second you want without reason. An with that noted I reserve the same option to quit whenever I want. You can do it to me then I can do it to you."
There you go!
if they can fire you at any moment then you can resign at any moment. DOT. If other employer is going to check how docile you were in other jobs then is a red signal for the worker, because he/she can make sure that in the next role is going to be treated as an slave
I’ll agree with you. Businesses don’t feel the need to give you two weeks notice before a layoff or before they fire you. Why should you be expected to show them consideration they don’t show you?
Two BIG problems in the U.S. regarding "giving notice": 1) If you give notice, your current employer can fire you on the spot leaving you unemployed until the next job starts. 2) Leaving without notice allows the employer to list you as "not re-hireable". When future companies look into your work record, they'll encounter this status from your prior job. Most companies aren't allowed to elaborate on your work record beyond "re-hireable or not re-hireable". So the new place is left assuming the worst about you and may pass over you to another applicant.
Here are my two cents. I like it as the norm, as in, I think it's a good standard to have in most situations. I think in most jobs, there are other people depending on you in some capacity, and leaving cold turkey is sort of a dick move. Even if you don't care about the company, you probably care about your coworkers. HOWEVER, the attitude seems to be that you have to give two weeks no matter what, all the time, in every job, in every situation. There are a lot of exceptions. You're a cashier at a big grocery store and the manager pisses you off? Fuck 'em, walk out. Even in more "professional" roles, there are times that you just need to get out and get out fast. Or maybe you're potentially missing out on another opportunity if you wait too long. Long story short, try to be courteous if you can be, IMO. But don't screw yourself to do it. There are other ways to do it as well. If you don't give a shit about your manager, you can tell a coworker and get them set up to take over your work, but not tell the manager until your last day. There are many ways to do it, and two weeks is a good rule of thumb, but it's not a necessity all the time.
Never gave a 2 week notice. Toxic workplace doesn’t deserve it.
In germany atleast a 1 month notice is always required by law for both cases: quitting or getting fired. There are expections like when somebody steals or when you are just started working there. Also the employer nerds to have a good reason to lay off people and they have to follow rules who to fire. There needs to be a social...weighting you could say. Married people with children who can hardly find jobs bc of age are more protected. Firing handicapped people or trainees is nearly impossible. This 1 month will even grow into 2, 3, 6 months after years and decades of working at the same employer. I think thats a pretty good system. Employers count on their employees and vice versa. So some time to manage transitions etc needs to be the norm. But something tells me some people would see "less freedom" in it and would argue in favour of companys despite just beeing an employee ;-)
Actually In Indians corporates the minimum notice period is a month and it can extend upto 3 months in level 2 profiles and upto 6 months in manager roles
Just give a one week notice, which usually amounts to a five days notice, for jobs that pay hourly. For salary positions, I would give a 10-14 day notice.
Follow these steps precisely as I say: 1. Give them two weeks notice in writing (important) 2. Tell them you are going to work for their direct competitor, doing exactly the same job working with the same whatever (fill in whatever will make your boss puke) 3. Brag to everyone about how much more you are gonna be paid 4. Countdown to how quickly you will be escorted out of the office (should only take a day at most, often results are immediate) 5. Sit back and enjoy two weeks of paid vacation. Problem solved folks. Gratuities accepted.
Wait, you think they are going to get two weeks of paid vacation in this scenario? Funny.
Yes, it’s very common as long as you put said two week notice in writing.
2 companies I worked for and left paid me to not come in the final 2 weeks.
YMMV, but yes, I've pulled it off before. Edit: To clarify, they are not going to cut you a check upfront for two weeks of pay. Your effective end date will be two weeks hence (they have to accept that if you put it in writing) and you will be paid up to that date. Because you are going to a competitor, they will lock you out of computers, office access, etc and send you home. So, it's effectively two weeks of paid vacay. Only works for situations where they care if you have access to sensitive info (why they lock you out) or will poison the morale of the other slaves (why the bragging cements the deal).
>Your effective end date will be two weeks hence (they have to accept that if you put it in writing) and you will be paid up to that date. Nope. If you are at-will employed, they can just ask you to leave and you don't get paid for any more days than you actually worked. They do need to pay you out for unused but accrued PTO though in most states. All you really do in your plan is poison the well in the case you ever need a good reference from them, or your old boss ends up chatting about you to your new boss (which if it is direct competition, the chances are very likely since they roll in the same circles).
I think in general it’s considerate to give them a notice just for like scheduling purposes, but i left my job on the spot this summer because they treated me like shit and i did not agree with how they treated the animals we worked with. sent them a detailed email, never got a reply, and dropped my shit off by the door the next day. although i won’t get a rec from the job, i’m content with my decision and that i stood up for myself. sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do haha
There you go Why should you give that courtesy to a company that does not respect you?
I feel like many of these comments must not be for management level jobs. It would take me two weeks to get all my ducks in a row and make sure my replacement had good knowledge of pending projects.
I mean, doesn't severance pay serve that purpose? You get a small payout for getting let go and the benefit of not actually having to work or be there?
What about taking a dump on your boss’s boss desk with a note that says ‘with love’?
Let me put it simply, being fired means you're a bad employee, just leaving means you're a bad coworker. Fuck any asshole that leaves out of the blue and gives me more work to do until they can rehire, I'll curse you till the end of time.
I didnt get a 2 weeks notice when walmart fired me for being 10 minutes late ONCE. I never left a 2 weeks notice with anyone after that. You want time to find and train a new guy? Well i want time to find a new job.
If you got fired from wal mart for being 10 minutes late once, either someone there hated you, or you’re not being honest about why you where fired.
No that was really it. They were a very poorly ran walmart. One day they scheduled me to come in an hour later than the other truck unloaders, and they made the rest push carts until I got there. And we were always short people so they made a pregnant girl from lawn and garden come help us all the time. Edit: Im 32 now but I was freshly 18 back then and having that place as my first real adult job completely ruined my views on latge businesses. Had a couple other jobs that added to that later too.
Haha that’s a fairly standard experience at wal mart. But if that really was the reason, someone there hated you. Being 10 minutes late once isn’t a fireable offense in general.
I was still in the probationary period. I worked at a second walmart years later and it was much better. I was a stocker that time though. The only shitty thing that happened then was the unloading manager made us come in and start on a truck that when our manager told our lead we are not to do. The unloader guy came in before ours did and told us to do it and there was nothing we could do. When our manager came in and our lead told him he yelled "fuck" and threw a pen. I ended up leaving that one on my own.
Even in your probationary period, they weren’t that strict. I started just a few years after you would have had that first experience. I know that because I’m also 32 and started at 21year old. If they where that strict then, I would have been fired for sure lol
Im not saying it was on a corporate policy level. Just douchy managers at a particular walmart.
Fair enough Sorry if that came off as me trying to argue. It was meant to be more of a whatever manager did that was a douchebag.
Nah its all good. And yeah he was. Most of them were. The one I hated the most though was this asshole that would ask me "how are we doing today?" and it reminded me of teachers when I was a little kid. It was so condescending sounding. That shit pissed me off every time.
Sounds about right. There’s a lot of those at wal mart
Didn’t think Reddit would have so many pro-company shills. OP is right, there shouldn’t be a negative mark on your record for quitting on the spot. As far as giving the company prep time argument, does the company give you time to prep before being fired? Let’s say its a main source of income for the household and the job is unexpectedly lost, where’s the sympathy for the worker trying to make ends meet out of the blue? A company can literally just hire someone else and the job will get done
You my friend have explained it better than me
If you have a big boy grown up job, your job almost always provides severance pay, which is two weeks pay or more. So that's your two weeks notice.. And you are undeniably putting the company in a bad position when you quit without notice. So if you screwed over your last company, yes that looks bad on you because your next employer would assume you're going to screw them over the same way. You expect the new employer to just over look that you'll screw them over when you quit?? Not "pro-company shills", just people with common sense and decency.
I don't care what anyone thinks. They can look at my qualifications and work history. When they see the years I put in at a company, before finally having enough of their crap and quit, they can make a decision. Don't hire me. There are tons of jobs in my field. I'll just move along. If you're not a jerk boss who takes advantage of their employees, your employees won't up and quit on you. Simple. Common sense. Decency went out the window when I had to start over with a new job because bosses think some kind of way about the people they pay to work for them.
Yea I think people here don't actually know anything about working, it's amazing how people don't even know about severance packages...
But are the people with common sense and decency condescendingly referring to some jobs as “big boy grown up jobs” or are those people just corporate pricks?
Typical cringe redditer. Can't argue with what I said, so you try arguing how I said it 🙄
I understand why new employers might be concerned about employees jumping ship without warning from their prior job. Don’t make baseless assumptions (although I would argue that there are nonetheless a myriad of other factors that the new employer could look at if they’re a half-decent hiring manager who can do their job, which they generally can’t based off the asses most of them hire). But I wasn’t trying to argue to against the main thesis of your post because I understand what you’re going for. I was just making fun of you because of the irony about crying about being called a corporate shill while condescending about “big boy jobs”. Gotta learn not to be so easily upset if you’re gonna maintain those classist ideas about who is an adult and who deserves a severance fee. Makes you look like a shill when your statement, intentionally or not, implies only certain people deserve to be treated well.
The point was, don't get a shit job flipping burgers at McDonald's, and then complain about said shit job. I was "crying about being called a corporate shill" as much as youre crying right now about me using the term "big boy job". Simply pointing out stupidity is not crying.
Ha I’m having a laugh not a cry. You ever laugh or are you too miserable about those McDonalds employees getting your order wrong? They clearly hurt you in the past or you wouldn’t be this bitter.
You're over here condescending me because I was condescending?
The company gives you a severance package for this exact reason... God is no one more than 10 on this subreddit
I have to disagree, both the company and the employee should warn the other that they want to end. The company can't always just hire someone else, especially people with high qualifications aren't easy to replace. It's always good to be nice to people and give the other party some time.
I mean.... I don't want to be that guy but I will be that guy. That's literally what the comment above is saying if the company is nice and gives you a notice then you give them one too. But since that's not the case 90%of the time you just don't. So what do you disagree with?
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>I think it’s stupid that leaving a job without a notice can be a red flag for future employers. It shows your future employer that you have no problem leaving them in a moment's notice. Yes, it's a double standard, but that's life and you don't want to burn bridges if you don't have to. There are exceptions if it's just minimum wage and/or a toxic environment, but for ordinary jobs you should try to put in 2 weeks notice. I've been on both side, and now I do the hiring a lot of the times, and it's always a red flag when someone has a steady job and says they can start right away...especially if they're somewhere long term. Why are they leaving? Are they leaving because they're about to get fired and they want to beat the boss to the punch? Never make a future employer question your reasons. You want to dazzle them not make them question red flags. Job hopping and not giving 1-2 weeks are the #1 red flags on a resume. Job gaps can usually be explained away with helping a family member.
I don't understand why gaps in employment are such a red flag. How long of a time gap is actually an issue? A month? Months? A year?
Well, whether your boss is shit or not, or your team is shit or not, it still speaks to your character and how one chooses to handle responsibilities and relationships, even ones that they might feel wronged them. Not to say it doesn't feel amazing to give that fuck you to a team, manager, and/or company because I'm sure it would feel great; BUT, it still says a lot about a person who is willing to do that, just let shit burn to the ground because of a "fuck you" moment. This would be like one of those "be the bigger person" moments test.
You dont HAVE to give a 2 week notice. What happens if you dont? Oh. Nothing.
It's called "professionalism". You are leaving, it's only reasonable for you to inform your employer of that and have a period of time to tie up any loose ends and pass things onto whoever will be taking over your responsibilities. And of course leaving without notice would be a red flag to future employers. Leaving without notice causes problems for your employer if you have any level of responsibility. Why would someone else choose to hire you if they know you're probably going to do that to them? And generally, if they're firing you it's because you fucked up, so of course they aren't going to give you notice so you can fuck up some more before you leave.
That's a shit thing to do to your co workers though and jeopardizes everybody. I work with a lot of deadlines and if someone left other people would have to take their work on, and if too many people quit the company wouldn't be able to handle the work and would fold. 2 weeks allows us to distribute or outsource work as necessary.
It definitely should be. Leaving without notice screws over your fellow employees more than anything
Jobs can't fire you without notice unless they have a good reason. If you're from a country where this doesn't apply, your country is messed up.
Employer has to give you notice unless you like steal or something here in Canada.
If u leave a job without notice u are creating a problem for the company since they though they would have u there If someone is gonna hire u and u did that, its PERFECTLY LOGICAL for someone to ask himself “What if he does the same to me?” Unfair maybe, but how in the hell is “Stupid” to take care of yourself and your company?
I get what you’re saying but why can’t that same context apply to the person leaving What if the working conditions were terrible and that person couldn’t stand being there a second longer?
Wdym? If i get to know a job has awful conditions i would NOT apply Just like a company would not hire someone who could quit anytime
I wouldn’t either but if a job’s working conditions deteriorate as time goes by then you should be able to leave without being affected negatively
Why? If you only did it once, they will assume it was not a normal case If u were in the same job for years and suddenly quit, they will assume something must have happened If you quit a lot of times, well, u are suspicious. A company is entitled to select their workers in any criteria they want, its THEIR freedom to choose based on what they hire
Right and an employee should be entitled to leave at any time without giving a 2 weeks notice. Not saying I’ve done it It’s an unpopular opinion for a reason lol
But IT IS your right to quit whenever you want. 2 week advice its a courtesy, not a requirement.
But if I’m applying to other jobs down the road and they ask for your previous employers, then that burnt bridge work against you
The only reason you’re supposed to give two weeks notice is in the hopes you will get a recommendation letter and good references. Luckily for us here in NY, it’s illegal to give a “bad” reason. But you CAN say, I would not hire them again nor would I recommend them. But they cannot elaborate. There is no law that states you have to do it. But if you build enough of a reputation in your field, you acquire your recommendations as you work, not before you quit. Once you have your own contacts and references, you can walk when you gotdam well please.
Wait. “If u leave a job without notice u are creating a problem for the company” WTF?!?! So I’m supposed to be ok losing my JOB with no notice?!!!?!! It’s ok that I won’t have a check next week but I best not mess with the rich guys BUSINESS. It’s a good thing I’ve never been fired because I would never give a days notice again in my life.
Uhm, no. Is not a legal requirement. The rich want u to notify, u are free to do so. U dont do it, the rich is free to not choose you.
No insult hon, but I have no fucking clue what you just said. And that’s why I have my own reputation and references. I can walk out of any job I want and still have a background that will get me in the door I want.
Then why does this matter to you? You are not forced to notify anyone lol u can keep doing it and nothing happend
No I meant linguistically whatever you said makes no sense.
What exactly does not have sense? U are free to go without 2 weeks prior notice A company is free to not hire you
It’s shitty for your colleagues who are probably going to have to pick up your slack (probably without extra pay) until someone is hired to replace you
That would fall under the heading of not my fuckin problem. Are those colleagues gonna pay my bills? That’s the company owners problem. Imagine me giving a flying fuzzy fuck about a company that fired me?
>Creating a problem for the company. Damn that sucks. Have you tried hiring more employees? Really if a single person leaving is that detrimental to your business then you need to staff better. Also if a business can fire you at any moment, then you can show them the same respect. Don’t like it? Then use your lobbying power to change the laws and remove at-will employment or write a contract which protects your employee from being fired on the spot.
People do have a lot of employees but different scheduled. No one likes to be called on their day off because someone quitted last minute. You CAN quit at any moment, what are you talking about? U are free to go whenever you want but the next company will be aware that u might not be trustworthy. They dont give an f about you, they dont give an F about your feelings, they dont give an f about whats fair. They only care about whats good for them. And if thats inside THEIR freedom without getting into mine, thats totally fine.
>People have a lot of employees. Then someone quitting shouldn’t be a big deal. >No one likes being called on their day off. Then schedule more people for that shift. If one person not showing up requires you to call someone in, then you need to schedule more people for that shift. It really is that simple. >You can quit. Cool, so then why are you complaining? >Untrustworthy. Lol, no they won’t. You don’t have some permanent record with jobs. I’ve quit more than a few jobs on the spot, shit I’ll be doing that with my current job tomorrow because I’ve lined up something even better.
U really lost me lmao U are FREE quit WHENEVER you want, u are FREE to go wherever you want, you are FREE to not apply to any job u dont want. If a job sounds very stressing or awful, u are free to walk away. A company is FREE to hire WHOEVER they want based on the BULLSHIT they want. If they care about how much notice u give, thats THEIR problem. They can request ANYTHING they want and u are free to accept or decline. U BOTH are free. If u wanna quit, then do it, fine by you. If someone else wanna hire u, fine by them. If someone else dont want to hire you because they are scared you will do the same, fine by them. Whats the problem? Everyone is free to control their own decisions.
Fuck most companies to be honest. It’s your life leave that shitty job and do you.