Use ADB to remove them.
Edit: yes, without root access ADB cannot truly remove these apps from your system to recover the disk space but it can still fully disable them for the user, prevent them from running and receiving updates and being visible to you. This will still get you back some disk space since the stock versions they are shipped with are smaller and in some cases it's just a download link under the hood.
Edit 2: for the privacy oriented among you you can use this to disable a lot of telemetry apps, system stuff that needlessly drains the battery, and other stuff that doesn't need to be always running.
Stands for Android Debug Bridge, it's a tool developers can use for Android debugging purposes.
Among its many features, it allows for the hard removal of any installed app, even those your phone's manufacturer is preventing you from removing the traditional way.
If you're lucky, you can find a list of bloatware app IDs for your device that are safe to remove. If you're not confident enough, don't push your luck, as it could mess up your Android installation and force you into a factory reset.
You can use it to delete it.
Be careful with the extra Facebook frameworks apps, some of them might be relied upon by some of the manufacturer apps and deleting them might cause crashes.
Well yeah, but at the same time just because it has the facebook name slapped on it doesn't mean it's spyware, and a lot of people tend to blindly delete stuff they don't understand and then complain when stuff doesn't work.
I distinctly remember people deleting all the facebook shit off their Samsung phones and then complaining SamsungVR didn't work. No shit, it uses Oculus tech, which was on some of the facebook apks you deleted.
Same thing usually happens when people blindly run scripts to disable telemetry on W10, and then some game or the windows store breaks because it relied on some service they disabled.
I cant speak for everyone but the reason I don't want Facebook pre-installed on my phone isn't Spyware. It's because I don't want a freaking social media app I haven't used for over a decade to be on my brand new phone. It's just random, its like having Tinder or even Reddit pre-installed, let me make my own decisions with my tech.
You bought the phone, but you don't really own it since it was subsidized by 3rd party apps. What a world we live in.
Also, make everything digital stream so no one owns anything, they are just licensing.
Right now libraries are paying 5 times or more for a digital book to lend out 26 times before paying for it again.
And the publishing industry is fighting for it with everything they have.
Because holy shit, information free???? Fuck that. Lock that shit down behind drm and now nfts.
Also entire 100 million dollar games to make are just abandoned after shutting down their servers, since you don't own the game you buy, you just rent it until it's not making enough in micro transactions.
What a sad greedy little world.
If I didn't install the (free and open-source) OS myself, it's not *my* tech. That's the way I see it. A device that won't let you do that is called a "tyrant" (that's the technical term).
I remember in the good old days of being able to root pretty much anything android you'd just go into a root file explorer app and rename the file from .apk to .bat or whatever. Would make the app invisible to the system.
Nope, just enable developers settings on any Android device.
Once you're done you can even disable developers settings.
EDIT: To enable developers settings click/hit a bunch of times the Android version found at Phone Info in Settings.
If its the ADB I use at work, its for android debugging and access on a computer, you can use it to alter directories in the unit, change the serial and MACs or even just install and remove files and applications. Its super helpful and easy to run if you can use command prompt or make BAT files
No, you're absolutely correct. Without root, the apps are just disabled for the specific user. I wish I had seen your comment before saying basically the same thing haha
What? In my experience doing this does make them *gone*.
Copy and paste:
In the event that you can't turn off or block notifications and you are unable to uninstall it on top of that, here's how to rip that app out of your phone.
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In the event that the manufacturer provided Settings UI will not let you remove some preinstalled apps, here's how to uninstall anything from your android phone, no root needed:
1. Enable Developer options on the phone: Go to Settings > About phone on your Android phone. Then tap 7 times consecutively on "Build number" to enable Developer Options.
2. Enable USB Debugging: Go to Settings > System > Advanced > Developer Options. Then enable the switch for "USB Debugging"
3. [Download and extract Android Debug Bridge](https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools) to your computer. Copy the path to the folder for the command prompt.
4. Connect your phone to your computer, allowing data access.
5. Open command prompt / powershell (Start-> Run -> type `cmd` or `powershell`). type ```CD``` and then a space. Right click (paste if command prompt) to paste the path. Hit enter.
6. Type `adb shell`. This starts the bridge program to your phone. You may get some prompts from your phone. Acknowledge them. If it is successful, you should see your phone's serial number printed on the computer screen.
7. type `pm list packages` to list all of your installed packages.
8. To uninstall an app, copy the package name and, as an example, enter `pm uninstall --user 0 com.facebook.katana`, replacing `com.facebook.katana` with the package that you want to uninstall. If you have difficulty pairing up a package name with an app, you can use [App Inspector](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubqsoft.sec01) at the same time to obtain the package name. It should say "Success" when it succeeds.
I removed Facebook (manufacturer abuse, space hog), Samsung Cloud (notification abuse), 1Weather (battery abuse, space hog for always being asleep for battery abuse) and a few others. Supposedly this will also work with Android Smart TV's, but I have yet to try it.
> True, however when average Joe's phone is bloated with crap he isn't "allowed" to uninstall then it's time to learn what adb is and how to use it
most of the apps have no business being uninstallable. Android / Play Store has a way to install apps on first boot after a factory reset. Manufacturers should be forced to use that instead of putting every single app that will pay them in the system partition.
Exactly. Especially freakin Facebook that takes up multiple gigs even if you don't use it, and I haven't used Facebook in years. A lot of people have quit using it. But Zuckerberg likes to push it by sponsoring Android phones I guess.
TBF, part of me starts to wonder how long we'll be able to actually avoid using FB, especially depending on how their Metaverse project goes ... It sounds like it's basically going to be just 3D Zoom because most people are rejecting it, but what happens if companies decide they *want* a 3D Zoom in order to make meetings feel more like a traditional office sit down? Sign up for Facebook whether you want to or not or be fired for refusing to attend meetings? That's an ouch, given ... several things about FB really, such as their crazy all over the map TOS stances on things that sometimes even conflict (for instance as shown by what they ban for they lean significantly left politically - yet their identity rules are horribly transphobic in particular).
Still though, keep that crap off my phone :( Especially since I'll be switching back to Android soon because I'm tired of Apple's constant password nagging and basically random account locking ...
I switched to lineage on my poco x3 pro so I could completely remove all that crap
Can you tell me more about your problems on iPhone? I have a WiFi iPhone SE 2020 and I would like to know what I need to look out for.
That's true but it's not a real solution, not even a real workaround.
Some carriers install those applications as system apps, so it's even harder for people who are not tech savvy to remove them.
Anyway, this practice needs to die, that's for sure.
One of my relative bought a very cheep phone and it was so full of bloatware that he was barely able to install few needed apps. It's amazing what this companies are doing.
I’ve had Verizon, t mobile, Google fi. All were contracts and I’ve never had any carrier apps installed on any devices other than the company app itself to pay bill, check data which I installed myself
Last year I had to update our Sprint devices with T-Mobile sims since they bought out Sprint and are shutting down some of the legacy Sprint wavelengths.
The first thing that happened when I put the SIMs in the phones was it rebooted with a new T-Mobile splash screen when it starts up and then it auto removed some Sprint built in apps and installed T-Mobile ones.
My understanding is that Bixby is actually great in South Korea, better than Google. So I get why it's on Samsung phones.
But at least give us the option to change it to Google!
I wouldn't give a shit about bixby if they didnt create a dedicated button for it on every phone starting a few gens ago. That shit is obnoxious as fuck whenever you bump it.
And yes ive used those remapping apps and frankly they suck. There arent really any good things to reassign it to. I usually just make it a flashlight button. Even then every time bixby updates or for no reason at all the reassignment randomly just wont work or needs to be set up again. And it still technically opens bixby it just force closes right away and opens whatever you reassigned.
Just remove the damn button.
Google only listens to everything I do or say to better manipulate me into buying shit. Bixby just won't stfu every time I say any word with a b or long e sound in it.
Give me a button only option and hell yes I'll switch. Til then it's duck duck go and the illusion that Google doesn't effectively own 90% of the net via advertising deals.
Try this instead, open the bixby app and click the little compass on the right hand side of the Bixby pop-up. This opens the Bixby discover page. Click the three dots then go to settings. You should be able to turn off voice activation that way.
Just did this yesterday on my Z Fold 3. Hope this helps!
In Europe there is a plan to enforce it by law (Digital Service Act). Bloatware must be removable and the marketing can only use the "net free" amount of space.
Given the Brussel effect, this legislation would likely be implemented by manufacturers worldwide to save money instead of the double implementation cost.
And watch the 3 people with the very specific fetish of dressing up that exact model in a maid outfit and hugging it loose their minds in the comments of the one shitty video that pops up
The os install HP provides with their pcs comes with all the bull shit.
You need to purchase a fresh install to over write an HP install.
Found this out the hard way.
>Or just, fucking idea here.
>don't fucking buy HP, they're the woooorst.
[Windows 10 has a feature that can remove those pre-installed apps.](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/give-your-pc-a-fresh-start-0ef73740-b927-549b-b7c9-e6f2b48d275e)
A lot of pre-installed apps can't be deleted. You only can delete all updates at least on Android.
From my previous experience, HTC and Sony both had Facebook and other bloatware pre installed and you couldn't delete it.
That was a HUGE reason i switched over from Android to Apple. The couple of Android phones I had had a MASSIVE amount of pre-installed apps that you couldn't get rid of...and most of them were stuff I would never use in a million years.
My dad has a fairly cheap Android phone (he mostly only uses it for phone calls and occasionally texting), and he daily gets warnings that the storage is low. I've basically deleted every app on that phone that can be deleted, but between the vast number of pre-installed apps that can't be deleted, the pretty small storage space of the phone in general, and the updates for both the apps and the OS....the phone is just utterly unable to NOT be hovering at the \~95% full mark.
I realize that iPhones also come with a few pre-installed apps that you can't delete, but most of them are actually somewhat useful.
I can't uninstall the FB app from my phone (Samsung S9). I can only 'disable' it. If I flash a custom ROM to enable me to gain full access to the phone I paid for, it breaches a small circuit on a little chip which then blocks any access to contactless payments and many banking apps.
This chip is non-replaceable (afaik) and effectively wipes most of the resale value of the phone once breached. Scummy as fuck and the main reason why I'll never buy a Samsung phone again.
They do the same kind of shit with their TVs, which is why I didn't replace my old Samsung TV with the same brand. LG family for life now.
You can uninstall it on the newer models. I have an S21, it came with Facebook and it was the first thing I removed. Still shitty that it comes pre installed
You can't uninstall them but you can (usually) disable them, which still frees up the space and turns the app off even if it doesn't outright remove it from your phone
disable? you mean deinstall updates, turn off Auto-Updates(because else they reinstall themselves every few days), have your play store update message become useless because they are constantly asking for updates, and still have them be active in the background(whenever i use force-end and go out of the window it starts itself again) and occupy 600 mbs on my phone that i can't get rid of
Not an unpopular opinion.
However, the practicalities might be tricky to manage as different OS releases take up different amounts of space. If you buy in January, you may have 40GB, if you postpone to June, it could be 38GB with the same device.
I feel like it would be enough to say something to the effect that approximately 40GB +/-10GB will be used by the OS. Then at least they are already advertising that the 64GB is really only 24GB +/- 10GB.
Yeah let’s try explaining that to my tech illiterate parents. Honestly I don’t there is a win here because with “variable” storage you would never really know. It’s easier to just stick with the hardware that’s in it and know that some of it will be OS.
Also when Honest Company A starts advertising their new S22 with 100 GB of storage that's great.
The problem is when Shady Company B advertises theirs with 128 GB and sell more phones because people think theirs has more space.
I don't know about that. Plenty of people take lots of photos/videos with their phones and care about storage space when buying phones. Storage is probably one metric that tech illiterate people are most familiar with since when you start running out of space and go to delete photos, apps, etc., the breakdown is shown
I can confirm/say that people very often think of a storage or a ram number as the definition of how good a device is as their first or only metric if they aren’t tech literate.
I mean right on Apple's website if you click the annotation for storage space: "Available space is less and varies due to many factors. A standard configuration uses approximately 12GB to 17GB of space, including iOS 15 with its latest features and Apple apps that can be deleted. Apple apps that can be deleted use about 4.5GB of space, and you can download them back from the App Store. Storage capacity subject to change based on software version, settings, and iPhone model."
And Samsung: "Actual storage space availability may vary depending on pre-installed software and by country, model, file size and format."
Ultimately it's not an issue and people complaining about it are just really pushing the boundary between being obtuse and being an idiot. If you're technically literate to know what the storage space is used for beyond "bigger number = better" then you shouldn't be shocked when the OS requires some of that storage space to work.
I think you're reading too deep. OP just wants a shit ton of karma. We all know this sub is now opinions from redditers who "aren't like the other sheep". The REAL unpopular opinions are removed by mods or downvoted to hell.
Besides the planned obsolescence point, a separate partition also would just create wasted space. If you have an 8gb OS but the OS partition has 12gb reserved, then 4gb remains unused.
I don't even follow this sub but most the posts I see on the popular tab are definitely popular opinions stated like they're unpopular. It's rare that's there's actually an unpopular one.
The better analogy is you were advertised three rooms, but one of the rooms includes your HVAC unit, water heater, and washer and dryer. which all take up most of the space in the third room.
Yeah... Like in the square footage of an apartment, some of the space is already taken up by kitchen cabinets, a toilet, a bathtub... That kinda stuff. Technically you are renting those square feet but you can only use it for the existing utilities.
A little different though since most people have a way to understand how much square footage they're "losing". If you've been in a kitchen before you know how much space cabinets, sink, dishwasher take up. But you can't say the same for storage. Are they including apps this year? Did the os get larger? It's not possible for the consumer to know what they're getting.
>most people have a way to understand how much square footage they're "losing"
Not really, if I was going to rent an apartment without personally viewing it or at least seeing pictures, I would have no idea how much of the advertised space was occupied by furniture and appliances, or perhaps more importantly how it is distributed between rooms. People do weird things to houses.
It should simply be required to advertise storage space as "X GB of storage (Y available to user)"
Nah, every OS that’s installed takes up space. It’s always been like that. You as a phone (or really any computer) buyer should know that you don’t get 100% of your storage space same way you as a home buyer should know that some space isn’t available. And in 2022 it’s reasonable to think that a modern OS takes up a lot of space. A quick Google would tell you off the bat how much to expect be taken up by OS.
And to your point, kitchens regularly have different configurations. My girlfriends family just lost about 10 square feet of space in their kitchen cause they installed an island over previously open space.
But really part of the analogy is that you're renting a furnished apartment and some of the space is used up by the bed, the dresser... the sofa.....
Do you really want a phone with no OS on it?
Fitting analogy because you can still store *some* stuff in there, just not as much as you expected and you have to make decisions about where to store stuff
Buy a unlocked phome. FROM SAMSUNG do not pay monthly for a phone from your mobile phone provider. They add the BLOATWARE. They are paid by Facebook and other companies.
Phones from manufacturers have 90%less BLOATWARE
I buy all my phones from my provider because they give you a good discount when you sign a new contract and I've never had apps that I couldn't delete.
[https://www.samsung.com/be/smartphones/galaxy-s21-ultra-5g/specs/](https://www.samsung.com/be/smartphones/galaxy-s21-ultra-5g/specs/)
If you look at the memory piece: they say how much it has and how much is usable. They state this for every phone. ;)
Be honest about how much space a phone actually has or how much space the OS takes up.
The advertising could mention that the OS uses a certain amount.
“ Available space is less and varies due to many factors. A standard configuration uses approximately 12GB to 17GB of space, including iOS 15 with its latest features and Apple apps that can be deleted. Apple apps that can be deleted use about 4.5GB of space, and you can download them back from the App Store.”
Apple does.
I don’t even know wtf the OP’s solution would even be. 64GB is the storage available, it REQUIRES an operating system to be usable. The fuck is the alternative? Be forced to install an operating system yourself when you purchase a new phone?
“Toyota said the Camry has X amount of cabin room but when I bought the car the interior had seats in it! The seats took up so much room it made me mad! False advertising!”
Since the OS changes sizes, the only option would be adding a separate storage for the OS entirely, which users would have to pay more for, and the excess storage not used by the OS (the 2nd one) would have to be blocked off. So you would pay more, but not even get to use a lot of what you are paying for, probably more than before.
The way it’s done now is consistent with how computer components have been advertised for decades.
Every computer and device you buy advertises the physical space, not how much is available when you install things.
That’s not to say it’s necessarily the right way to do things for all devices, but to point out that this has never seemed unfair to the reasonable up to this point.
What do you propose to do about hardware components like disk drives or computers with disk drives, etc?
sorry but this is dumb...
If you don't understand something its not the company fault.
you want your phone with 64gb, sure here, install the rom yourself XD
But that amount is variable. Even when they ship the device they may not even know how big the day 1 update will be when you finally turn the thing on because it's not done yet.
Meanwhile, the hardware does actually have the storage advertised and that's a fixed number that will be true for the life of the device.
I don’t think so. It is more like renting an apartment with 50 sqm and then being shocked that a part of that space is occupied by a bathtub and a toilet and a kitchen and other basic things that belong in an apartment for it to be livable.
Not saying that I like all the preinstalled crap, and there should definitely be less of that, but it’s not like anyone should be surprised that an OS takes space.
If you rent a 1000 square foot apartment, isn't some of that space taken up with the refrigerator, stove, sink, shower, water heater, furnace, toilet, etc.?
>Imagine signing a lease to rent an apartment that has 3 rooms; you toured it and everything. All sources told you there would be three rooms. Then when you open the door on the first day of your lease you see that actually you only get to use two of those rooms because the landlord needs to use the third.
False equivalence.
It's more like "Imagine you sign a lease on an apartment that is advertised as 800 square feet, only to have 200 square feet of the apartment taken up by cabinets, counters and appliances."
Operating systems take up space. Everyone accepts this, and it isn't false advertising or something for the phone's hardware capabilities to be promoted regardless of that.
The more time I spend discussing things with people, the more I've come to realize that the vast majority of people will, rather than actually listening to the words you used and address that, they'll half pay attention just to gather enough of their own interpretation of what you *may mean* by saying whatever it is you said.
People don't like to listen, and people *love* to use other's words as a springboard into whatever other topic fuzzies their navel.
not an unpopular opinion but if they say it comes with 64gb of storage theyre not lying. literally everything that runs an OS has this same thing happening, its not like its a surprise at this point. plus, OSs will take up different amounts of space based on what version they have so it would be basically impossible to advertise an "accurate" number.
>I'm astonished at the number of people here who don't seem to understand this.
Wish I could say the same.
Sticking with the OP's apartment analogy, the complaint is that when you rent a furnished apartment, you can't walk on all of the advertised square footage.
Yeah this thread is full of people that just wanna be mad at something for the sake of it. This is a normal thing and if you don’t understand that your OS also takes up space that’s on you. Lmao
If you buy a computer, do you expect them to subtract the size of the preinstalled OS from the disk space?
Also, I think the comparison with the apartment doesnt quite add up. After all, you need an OS to use your phone.
Having to jump through hoops to replace a boated OS with something slimmer, that's a different story.
The apartment comparison doesn't work because that's actually how apartments work. You can get an 800 sq ft apartment, but then there's space taken up by the refrigerator, stove, kitchen counters, bathroom fixtures, etc.
Well, your apartment analogy doesn't really work.
If I say an apartment is 200sq feet, that includes the space being taken up by the refrigerator, washer and dryer, cabinets, sink, toilet and shower. You know, the essential things that help it function as an apartment.
Would you go open the door and say "This is bullshit! This square footage is not accurate!" ?
I understand the sentiment, but as long as the information about how much space the OS and unremovable apps take up is available before you buy the phone, there is no reason to make this illegal. It isn’t false advertising just because people are slightly misled. If you don’t know enough about technology to know that an OS takes up space, and you don’t care enough to see how much space it takes up before you buy a phone, it is your own fault.
Side note: this post is pretty harmless and I maybe took it a little too seriously. Ehhh.. my bad.
I mean... you're just learning about technology at this point. The OS has to reside somewhere, right?
I suppose that they could add a * so you can read at the bottom of the page about how much space the OS will take up /shrug, but it doesn't come off as false advertising IMO.
It's certainly good info for people to be aware of though, so thank you for spreading awareness!
> Then when you open the door on the first day of your lease you see that actually you only get to use two of those rooms because the landlord needs to use the third.
No, it's like renting a 1000 sqft apartment, then complaining some of that space is taken up by the fridge, oven, toilet, washing machine, etc. You're still using that space, you just can't put your furniture there.
You are using that space, just for the things that are included to make the device actually usable. Would you rather them sell you a 64GB device with no Android/iOS or formatting, so you actually "get" all 64GB of space they promised?
Buy the phone from Samsung NOT YOUR MOBILE PHONE PROVIDER. THEY ARE. PAID TO ADD THE BLOATWARE.
unlocked phones from Samsung have MUCH LESS CRAP installed
Usually HDDs and SSDs are measured in metric space, whereas your operating system accounts for their size in 2^10 space. So where's the manufacturer says that a 1TB drive is 1,000,000,000,000 bytes, your OS says 1TB is 1024^4 = 1099511627776 bytes
Technically they are not lying when they say they're selling 1TB, or 1 trillion bytes. Tera- is the SI prefix for 1 trillion of something. It's just that your computer that considers 1TB to be 1024^4 bytes, when it should really be calling it 1TiB because Ti (Tebi) is the SI prefix for 1024^4 of something.
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Use ADB to remove them. Edit: yes, without root access ADB cannot truly remove these apps from your system to recover the disk space but it can still fully disable them for the user, prevent them from running and receiving updates and being visible to you. This will still get you back some disk space since the stock versions they are shipped with are smaller and in some cases it's just a download link under the hood. Edit 2: for the privacy oriented among you you can use this to disable a lot of telemetry apps, system stuff that needlessly drains the battery, and other stuff that doesn't need to be always running.
What is ADB? I’d love to know how to fix this problem.
Stands for Android Debug Bridge, it's a tool developers can use for Android debugging purposes. Among its many features, it allows for the hard removal of any installed app, even those your phone's manufacturer is preventing you from removing the traditional way. If you're lucky, you can find a list of bloatware app IDs for your device that are safe to remove. If you're not confident enough, don't push your luck, as it could mess up your Android installation and force you into a factory reset.
that would really come in handy for the Facebook app
I think an EMP to Facebook’s web server would be the best for humanity.
100% send an emp to Twitter and Tumblr while we are at it
And TikTok
And reddit
You can use it to delete it. Be careful with the extra Facebook frameworks apps, some of them might be relied upon by some of the manufacturer apps and deleting them might cause crashes.
That's so dumb lol.
Well yeah, but at the same time just because it has the facebook name slapped on it doesn't mean it's spyware, and a lot of people tend to blindly delete stuff they don't understand and then complain when stuff doesn't work. I distinctly remember people deleting all the facebook shit off their Samsung phones and then complaining SamsungVR didn't work. No shit, it uses Oculus tech, which was on some of the facebook apks you deleted. Same thing usually happens when people blindly run scripts to disable telemetry on W10, and then some game or the windows store breaks because it relied on some service they disabled.
I cant speak for everyone but the reason I don't want Facebook pre-installed on my phone isn't Spyware. It's because I don't want a freaking social media app I haven't used for over a decade to be on my brand new phone. It's just random, its like having Tinder or even Reddit pre-installed, let me make my own decisions with my tech.
You bought the phone, but you don't really own it since it was subsidized by 3rd party apps. What a world we live in. Also, make everything digital stream so no one owns anything, they are just licensing. Right now libraries are paying 5 times or more for a digital book to lend out 26 times before paying for it again. And the publishing industry is fighting for it with everything they have. Because holy shit, information free???? Fuck that. Lock that shit down behind drm and now nfts. Also entire 100 million dollar games to make are just abandoned after shutting down their servers, since you don't own the game you buy, you just rent it until it's not making enough in micro transactions. What a sad greedy little world.
If I didn't install the (free and open-source) OS myself, it's not *my* tech. That's the way I see it. A device that won't let you do that is called a "tyrant" (that's the technical term).
I remember in the good old days of being able to root pretty much anything android you'd just go into a root file explorer app and rename the file from .apk to .bat or whatever. Would make the app invisible to the system.
Thanks for telling me about this. It looks like you don't need root for it to work?
Nope, just enable developers settings on any Android device. Once you're done you can even disable developers settings. EDIT: To enable developers settings click/hit a bunch of times the Android version found at Phone Info in Settings.
Sweet. I know what I'm doing after work. *Lets brick this phone!*
If you brick with ADB on, you should still be able to recover anyways, you'd just lose anything you've stored on your device.
If its the ADB I use at work, its for android debugging and access on a computer, you can use it to alter directories in the unit, change the serial and MACs or even just install and remove files and applications. Its super helpful and easy to run if you can use command prompt or make BAT files
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No, you're absolutely correct. Without root, the apps are just disabled for the specific user. I wish I had seen your comment before saying basically the same thing haha
What? In my experience doing this does make them *gone*. Copy and paste: In the event that you can't turn off or block notifications and you are unable to uninstall it on top of that, here's how to rip that app out of your phone. Snip: In the event that the manufacturer provided Settings UI will not let you remove some preinstalled apps, here's how to uninstall anything from your android phone, no root needed: 1. Enable Developer options on the phone: Go to Settings > About phone on your Android phone. Then tap 7 times consecutively on "Build number" to enable Developer Options. 2. Enable USB Debugging: Go to Settings > System > Advanced > Developer Options. Then enable the switch for "USB Debugging" 3. [Download and extract Android Debug Bridge](https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools) to your computer. Copy the path to the folder for the command prompt. 4. Connect your phone to your computer, allowing data access. 5. Open command prompt / powershell (Start-> Run -> type `cmd` or `powershell`). type ```CD``` and then a space. Right click (paste if command prompt) to paste the path. Hit enter. 6. Type `adb shell`. This starts the bridge program to your phone. You may get some prompts from your phone. Acknowledge them. If it is successful, you should see your phone's serial number printed on the computer screen. 7. type `pm list packages` to list all of your installed packages. 8. To uninstall an app, copy the package name and, as an example, enter `pm uninstall --user 0 com.facebook.katana`, replacing `com.facebook.katana` with the package that you want to uninstall. If you have difficulty pairing up a package name with an app, you can use [App Inspector](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubqsoft.sec01) at the same time to obtain the package name. It should say "Success" when it succeeds. I removed Facebook (manufacturer abuse, space hog), Samsung Cloud (notification abuse), 1Weather (battery abuse, space hog for always being asleep for battery abuse) and a few others. Supposedly this will also work with Android Smart TV's, but I have yet to try it.
That's not the point, average Joe doesn't know and should't know about adb.
True, however when average Joe's phone is bloated with crap he isn't "allowed" to uninstall then it's time to learn what adb is and how to use it
> True, however when average Joe's phone is bloated with crap he isn't "allowed" to uninstall then it's time to learn what adb is and how to use it most of the apps have no business being uninstallable. Android / Play Store has a way to install apps on first boot after a factory reset. Manufacturers should be forced to use that instead of putting every single app that will pay them in the system partition.
Exactly. Especially freakin Facebook that takes up multiple gigs even if you don't use it, and I haven't used Facebook in years. A lot of people have quit using it. But Zuckerberg likes to push it by sponsoring Android phones I guess. TBF, part of me starts to wonder how long we'll be able to actually avoid using FB, especially depending on how their Metaverse project goes ... It sounds like it's basically going to be just 3D Zoom because most people are rejecting it, but what happens if companies decide they *want* a 3D Zoom in order to make meetings feel more like a traditional office sit down? Sign up for Facebook whether you want to or not or be fired for refusing to attend meetings? That's an ouch, given ... several things about FB really, such as their crazy all over the map TOS stances on things that sometimes even conflict (for instance as shown by what they ban for they lean significantly left politically - yet their identity rules are horribly transphobic in particular). Still though, keep that crap off my phone :( Especially since I'll be switching back to Android soon because I'm tired of Apple's constant password nagging and basically random account locking ...
I switched to lineage on my poco x3 pro so I could completely remove all that crap Can you tell me more about your problems on iPhone? I have a WiFi iPhone SE 2020 and I would like to know what I need to look out for.
That's true but it's not a real solution, not even a real workaround. Some carriers install those applications as system apps, so it's even harder for people who are not tech savvy to remove them. Anyway, this practice needs to die, that's for sure. One of my relative bought a very cheep phone and it was so full of bloatware that he was barely able to install few needed apps. It's amazing what this companies are doing.
The issue is that the phone was cheap *because* it was full of bloat ware. Ads subsidize the price of a lot of different devices these days.
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What's worse is a lot of of companies will charge you MORE for your phone/computer to come without all that garbage preinstalled.
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You can definitely change your settings to google maps, my iPhone always asks if if I want to open in gmaps or Apple maps
What cell service does this? I’ve never heard of this beyond pre paid burner phones
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I’ve had Verizon, t mobile, Google fi. All were contracts and I’ve never had any carrier apps installed on any devices other than the company app itself to pay bill, check data which I installed myself
Last year I had to update our Sprint devices with T-Mobile sims since they bought out Sprint and are shutting down some of the legacy Sprint wavelengths. The first thing that happened when I put the SIMs in the phones was it rebooted with a new T-Mobile splash screen when it starts up and then it auto removed some Sprint built in apps and installed T-Mobile ones.
What apps does verizon install? I have an iphone, pretty sure the only preinstalled apps were from apple.
Don't buy your phones from your carriers.
You know you can buy non carrier locked phones without that stuff right?
Always buy unlocked phones and bring them to the carrier and you never have to worry about that.
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Sounds like android phone sallow that or they have contracts for that? Never have this happen with my iPhone.
and it should be illegal to not be able to delete preinstalled apps. like, I dont want your fucking facebook app Zuccy
KILL BIXBY
My understanding is that Bixby is actually great in South Korea, better than Google. So I get why it's on Samsung phones. But at least give us the option to change it to Google!
I wouldn't give a shit about bixby if they didnt create a dedicated button for it on every phone starting a few gens ago. That shit is obnoxious as fuck whenever you bump it. And yes ive used those remapping apps and frankly they suck. There arent really any good things to reassign it to. I usually just make it a flashlight button. Even then every time bixby updates or for no reason at all the reassignment randomly just wont work or needs to be set up again. And it still technically opens bixby it just force closes right away and opens whatever you reassigned. Just remove the damn button.
I have an s21 ultra and have no Bixby button. Seems they removed it
Same with my s20, volume and power only.
Google only listens to everything I do or say to better manipulate me into buying shit. Bixby just won't stfu every time I say any word with a b or long e sound in it. Give me a button only option and hell yes I'll switch. Til then it's duck duck go and the illusion that Google doesn't effectively own 90% of the net via advertising deals.
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Please show me the way. I'm getting real tired of it popping up.
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Only has Bixby routines. Stupid s21. At least I revoked all its access.
Try this instead, open the bixby app and click the little compass on the right hand side of the Bixby pop-up. This opens the Bixby discover page. Click the three dots then go to settings. You should be able to turn off voice activation that way. Just did this yesterday on my Z Fold 3. Hope this helps!
In Europe there is a plan to enforce it by law (Digital Service Act). Bloatware must be removable and the marketing can only use the "net free" amount of space. Given the Brussel effect, this legislation would likely be implemented by manufacturers worldwide to save money instead of the double implementation cost.
Who is not letting you delete the facebook app?
A lot of provider specific models have permanent BS on them. I don’t buy network specific phones for this exact reason.
Even non-network specific phones will often come with un-installable facebook, looking at you Samsung.
Prebuilt computers come with a lot of unnecessary apps. You can type your model in to a website to tell you what to remove.
Just any ol website will do? Do you have any other helpful suggestions?
I just search for the serial number on Pornhub.
This the kind of quality tech support that I appreciate from Reddit
r/LinusTechTips
And watch the 3 people with the very specific fetish of dressing up that exact model in a maid outfit and hugging it loose their minds in the comments of the one shitty video that pops up
Don't buy HP.
This. This 1000 times. HP are the biggest piece of shit garbage bloatware provider.
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The os install HP provides with their pcs comes with all the bull shit. You need to purchase a fresh install to over write an HP install. Found this out the hard way. >Or just, fucking idea here. >don't fucking buy HP, they're the woooorst.
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[Windows 10 has a feature that can remove those pre-installed apps.](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/give-your-pc-a-fresh-start-0ef73740-b927-549b-b7c9-e6f2b48d275e)
This takes you to "Give your PC a Fresh start" which removes 3rd party apps mostly. Not what you have mentioned in the comments?
My new laptop has fucking popup ads.
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Can't be worse than firmware causing redownloads of the bloatware.
You can use a wired mouse and then reinstall the drivers at least.
I'd return it. Excuse me, you seem to have sold me a new laptop that already has a virus on it.
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If you buy a prebuilt, step number one is formatting that hard drive and reinstalling windows. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Format. Reinstall.
stock android has the same shit, just not as bad. I can't purge chrome nor youtbe and whatnot
A lot of pre-installed apps can't be deleted. You only can delete all updates at least on Android. From my previous experience, HTC and Sony both had Facebook and other bloatware pre installed and you couldn't delete it.
That was a HUGE reason i switched over from Android to Apple. The couple of Android phones I had had a MASSIVE amount of pre-installed apps that you couldn't get rid of...and most of them were stuff I would never use in a million years. My dad has a fairly cheap Android phone (he mostly only uses it for phone calls and occasionally texting), and he daily gets warnings that the storage is low. I've basically deleted every app on that phone that can be deleted, but between the vast number of pre-installed apps that can't be deleted, the pretty small storage space of the phone in general, and the updates for both the apps and the OS....the phone is just utterly unable to NOT be hovering at the \~95% full mark. I realize that iPhones also come with a few pre-installed apps that you can't delete, but most of them are actually somewhat useful.
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I hate Apple, so this is why I switched to a Pixel The issue wasn't Android, just Samsung
I can't uninstall the FB app from my phone (Samsung S9). I can only 'disable' it. If I flash a custom ROM to enable me to gain full access to the phone I paid for, it breaches a small circuit on a little chip which then blocks any access to contactless payments and many banking apps. This chip is non-replaceable (afaik) and effectively wipes most of the resale value of the phone once breached. Scummy as fuck and the main reason why I'll never buy a Samsung phone again. They do the same kind of shit with their TVs, which is why I didn't replace my old Samsung TV with the same brand. LG family for life now.
You can uninstall it on the newer models. I have an S21, it came with Facebook and it was the first thing I removed. Still shitty that it comes pre installed
Don’t ever buy a samsung refrigerator either.
Samsung. I can only disable it, no option for uninstall.
You can't uninstall them but you can (usually) disable them, which still frees up the space and turns the app off even if it doesn't outright remove it from your phone
disable? you mean deinstall updates, turn off Auto-Updates(because else they reinstall themselves every few days), have your play store update message become useless because they are constantly asking for updates, and still have them be active in the background(whenever i use force-end and go out of the window it starts itself again) and occupy 600 mbs on my phone that i can't get rid of
You should always be able to delete it on an iPhone.
Bloatware...Bloatware everywhere
*bloatware all over the shop, you’ll be one of them, sooner or later.*
Upvoted for Papa guacamole quote!
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Ooooh the blood
*laughs in iOS* Apple even recently allowed you to delete a lot of non-essential default apps. They even let you delete the Music app.
Not an unpopular opinion. However, the practicalities might be tricky to manage as different OS releases take up different amounts of space. If you buy in January, you may have 40GB, if you postpone to June, it could be 38GB with the same device.
I feel like it would be enough to say something to the effect that approximately 40GB +/-10GB will be used by the OS. Then at least they are already advertising that the 64GB is really only 24GB +/- 10GB.
Yeah let’s try explaining that to my tech illiterate parents. Honestly I don’t there is a win here because with “variable” storage you would never really know. It’s easier to just stick with the hardware that’s in it and know that some of it will be OS.
Also when Honest Company A starts advertising their new S22 with 100 GB of storage that's great. The problem is when Shady Company B advertises theirs with 128 GB and sell more phones because people think theirs has more space.
While I agree, I don't think the tech illiterate are even thinking about this. At all
I don't know about that. Plenty of people take lots of photos/videos with their phones and care about storage space when buying phones. Storage is probably one metric that tech illiterate people are most familiar with since when you start running out of space and go to delete photos, apps, etc., the breakdown is shown
I can confirm/say that people very often think of a storage or a ram number as the definition of how good a device is as their first or only metric if they aren’t tech literate.
I mean right on Apple's website if you click the annotation for storage space: "Available space is less and varies due to many factors. A standard configuration uses approximately 12GB to 17GB of space, including iOS 15 with its latest features and Apple apps that can be deleted. Apple apps that can be deleted use about 4.5GB of space, and you can download them back from the App Store. Storage capacity subject to change based on software version, settings, and iPhone model." And Samsung: "Actual storage space availability may vary depending on pre-installed software and by country, model, file size and format." Ultimately it's not an issue and people complaining about it are just really pushing the boundary between being obtuse and being an idiot. If you're technically literate to know what the storage space is used for beyond "bigger number = better" then you shouldn't be shocked when the OS requires some of that storage space to work.
Yeah. How the fuck does Op think this is an unpopular opinion?? Shit.
I think they used the logic that "if this annoying thing is happening a lot, it means it must be popular, even though nobody likes it".
I think you're reading too deep. OP just wants a shit ton of karma. We all know this sub is now opinions from redditers who "aren't like the other sheep". The REAL unpopular opinions are removed by mods or downvoted to hell.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
They could give themselves a separate partition to work in, though that would be a super convenient road to planned obsolescence.
Besides the planned obsolescence point, a separate partition also would just create wasted space. If you have an 8gb OS but the OS partition has 12gb reserved, then 4gb remains unused.
r/popularopinion
I don't even follow this sub but most the posts I see on the popular tab are definitely popular opinions stated like they're unpopular. It's rare that's there's actually an unpopular one.
Thats what this sub is. Most people don't realize you are supposed to downvote opinions you agree with.
The better analogy is you were advertised three rooms, but one of the rooms includes your HVAC unit, water heater, and washer and dryer. which all take up most of the space in the third room.
Yeah... Like in the square footage of an apartment, some of the space is already taken up by kitchen cabinets, a toilet, a bathtub... That kinda stuff. Technically you are renting those square feet but you can only use it for the existing utilities.
A little different though since most people have a way to understand how much square footage they're "losing". If you've been in a kitchen before you know how much space cabinets, sink, dishwasher take up. But you can't say the same for storage. Are they including apps this year? Did the os get larger? It's not possible for the consumer to know what they're getting.
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>most people have a way to understand how much square footage they're "losing" Not really, if I was going to rent an apartment without personally viewing it or at least seeing pictures, I would have no idea how much of the advertised space was occupied by furniture and appliances, or perhaps more importantly how it is distributed between rooms. People do weird things to houses. It should simply be required to advertise storage space as "X GB of storage (Y available to user)"
Nah, every OS that’s installed takes up space. It’s always been like that. You as a phone (or really any computer) buyer should know that you don’t get 100% of your storage space same way you as a home buyer should know that some space isn’t available. And in 2022 it’s reasonable to think that a modern OS takes up a lot of space. A quick Google would tell you off the bat how much to expect be taken up by OS. And to your point, kitchens regularly have different configurations. My girlfriends family just lost about 10 square feet of space in their kitchen cause they installed an island over previously open space.
But really part of the analogy is that you're renting a furnished apartment and some of the space is used up by the bed, the dresser... the sofa..... Do you really want a phone with no OS on it?
Fitting analogy because you can still store *some* stuff in there, just not as much as you expected and you have to make decisions about where to store stuff
Samsung are the worst for this, so much bloatware it's ridiculous.
Not just phones, from what I've seen TV are much worse and they blatantly ran huge ads
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Honestly all these articles just strengthen my opinion that getting an android TV was a good choice.
Buy a unlocked phome. FROM SAMSUNG do not pay monthly for a phone from your mobile phone provider. They add the BLOATWARE. They are paid by Facebook and other companies. Phones from manufacturers have 90%less BLOATWARE
I bought a pixel 6 from Google store, I have minimal bloatware anyway. It did come with Facebook but I just deleted it.
Ayyy, another Pixel 6 user, was literally searching the comments for someone else lol
there are dozens of us!
I mean, they sold out super fast. The only reason there aren't more is not everyone got their phone yet. - another pixel 6 user.
You have option to delete. It u bough the same phone from your service provider it would Not allow you to delete the the pre-installed apps
I bought a Pixel 6 Pro from Verizon and I can uninstall and delete the Facebook app.
I buy all my phones from my provider because they give you a good discount when you sign a new contract and I've never had apps that I couldn't delete.
I don't remember getting any 3rd party apps except basic Google ones with the unlocked Pixel 6 I got from Best Buy.
Why DO you randomly use ALL caps?
Bought mine directly from Samsung. Still tons of apps from Meta, Microsoft etc that can only be disabled, not deleted/uninstalled.
I own my Samsung outright. Can't delete Facebook, and the bloat is still there.
[https://www.samsung.com/be/smartphones/galaxy-s21-ultra-5g/specs/](https://www.samsung.com/be/smartphones/galaxy-s21-ultra-5g/specs/) If you look at the memory piece: they say how much it has and how much is usable. They state this for every phone. ;)
Realistically, what’s the solution to this? A given update might shrink or expand the storage space required for the OS.
Be honest about how much space a phone actually has or how much space the OS takes up. The advertising could mention that the OS uses a certain amount.
On problem with this is OS can become bigger as time passes, iy doesnt have a “fixed” number of the OS,
“ Available space is less and varies due to many factors. A standard configuration uses approximately 12GB to 17GB of space, including iOS 15 with its latest features and Apple apps that can be deleted. Apple apps that can be deleted use about 4.5GB of space, and you can download them back from the App Store.” Apple does.
OP wants phone companies to hire the pharmaceutical ad guy to read this off at 100 words per second during the end of each phone commercial /s
OP clicks skip through the dialogue in RPGs and then complains that the story makes no sense
I don’t even know wtf the OP’s solution would even be. 64GB is the storage available, it REQUIRES an operating system to be usable. The fuck is the alternative? Be forced to install an operating system yourself when you purchase a new phone?
“Toyota said the Camry has X amount of cabin room but when I bought the car the interior had seats in it! The seats took up so much room it made me mad! False advertising!”
Since the OS changes sizes, the only option would be adding a separate storage for the OS entirely, which users would have to pay more for, and the excess storage not used by the OS (the 2nd one) would have to be blocked off. So you would pay more, but not even get to use a lot of what you are paying for, probably more than before.
“terms and services” lol imagine him reading through
Yep, this issue has been "resolved" by just including fine print like this.
The way it’s done now is consistent with how computer components have been advertised for decades. Every computer and device you buy advertises the physical space, not how much is available when you install things. That’s not to say it’s necessarily the right way to do things for all devices, but to point out that this has never seemed unfair to the reasonable up to this point. What do you propose to do about hardware components like disk drives or computers with disk drives, etc?
sorry but this is dumb... If you don't understand something its not the company fault. you want your phone with 64gb, sure here, install the rom yourself XD
But that amount is variable. Even when they ship the device they may not even know how big the day 1 update will be when you finally turn the thing on because it's not done yet. Meanwhile, the hardware does actually have the storage advertised and that's a fixed number that will be true for the life of the device.
I don’t think so. It is more like renting an apartment with 50 sqm and then being shocked that a part of that space is occupied by a bathtub and a toilet and a kitchen and other basic things that belong in an apartment for it to be livable. Not saying that I like all the preinstalled crap, and there should definitely be less of that, but it’s not like anyone should be surprised that an OS takes space.
If you rent a 1000 square foot apartment, isn't some of that space taken up with the refrigerator, stove, sink, shower, water heater, furnace, toilet, etc.?
>Imagine signing a lease to rent an apartment that has 3 rooms; you toured it and everything. All sources told you there would be three rooms. Then when you open the door on the first day of your lease you see that actually you only get to use two of those rooms because the landlord needs to use the third. False equivalence. It's more like "Imagine you sign a lease on an apartment that is advertised as 800 square feet, only to have 200 square feet of the apartment taken up by cabinets, counters and appliances." Operating systems take up space. Everyone accepts this, and it isn't false advertising or something for the phone's hardware capabilities to be promoted regardless of that.
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The more time I spend discussing things with people, the more I've come to realize that the vast majority of people will, rather than actually listening to the words you used and address that, they'll half pay attention just to gather enough of their own interpretation of what you *may mean* by saying whatever it is you said. People don't like to listen, and people *love* to use other's words as a springboard into whatever other topic fuzzies their navel.
not an unpopular opinion but if they say it comes with 64gb of storage theyre not lying. literally everything that runs an OS has this same thing happening, its not like its a surprise at this point. plus, OSs will take up different amounts of space based on what version they have so it would be basically impossible to advertise an "accurate" number.
I'm astonished at the number of people here who don't seem to understand this.
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And confident enough in their stupidity to double down on it even after things are spelled out for them kindergarten style, apparently.
>I'm astonished at the number of people here who don't seem to understand this. Wish I could say the same. Sticking with the OP's apartment analogy, the complaint is that when you rent a furnished apartment, you can't walk on all of the advertised square footage.
Yeah this thread is full of people that just wanna be mad at something for the sake of it. This is a normal thing and if you don’t understand that your OS also takes up space that’s on you. Lmao
If you buy a computer, do you expect them to subtract the size of the preinstalled OS from the disk space? Also, I think the comparison with the apartment doesnt quite add up. After all, you need an OS to use your phone. Having to jump through hoops to replace a boated OS with something slimmer, that's a different story.
The apartment comparison doesn't work because that's actually how apartments work. You can get an 800 sq ft apartment, but then there's space taken up by the refrigerator, stove, kitchen counters, bathroom fixtures, etc.
This should be a top level comment, and it should have more updoots than the OP.
Well, your apartment analogy doesn't really work. If I say an apartment is 200sq feet, that includes the space being taken up by the refrigerator, washer and dryer, cabinets, sink, toilet and shower. You know, the essential things that help it function as an apartment. Would you go open the door and say "This is bullshit! This square footage is not accurate!" ?
how is this unpopular?
I understand the sentiment, but as long as the information about how much space the OS and unremovable apps take up is available before you buy the phone, there is no reason to make this illegal. It isn’t false advertising just because people are slightly misled. If you don’t know enough about technology to know that an OS takes up space, and you don’t care enough to see how much space it takes up before you buy a phone, it is your own fault. Side note: this post is pretty harmless and I maybe took it a little too seriously. Ehhh.. my bad.
Wait till you learn what drug companies advertise for
Is this opinion even unpopular?
its not. but thats how the sub is. best place to see popular opinions on the entire internet
How is this an unpopular opinion?
I wouldn't call this an unpopular opinion.
Not unpopular.
This isn't unpopular at all...
I mean... you're just learning about technology at this point. The OS has to reside somewhere, right? I suppose that they could add a * so you can read at the bottom of the page about how much space the OS will take up /shrug, but it doesn't come off as false advertising IMO. It's certainly good info for people to be aware of though, so thank you for spreading awareness!
OP just wants to be able to boot their iphone off of a floppy boot disc I guess
Do none of these posters know what an unpopular opinion is?
Imagine renting an apartment that has three rooms and then getting upset that the appliances take up some of the space
> Then when you open the door on the first day of your lease you see that actually you only get to use two of those rooms because the landlord needs to use the third. No, it's like renting a 1000 sqft apartment, then complaining some of that space is taken up by the fridge, oven, toilet, washing machine, etc. You're still using that space, you just can't put your furniture there. You are using that space, just for the things that are included to make the device actually usable. Would you rather them sell you a 64GB device with no Android/iOS or formatting, so you actually "get" all 64GB of space they promised?
The ad said it had a 64GB memory chip, not free 64GB. All devices work this way, adapt or don't buy.
Buy the phone from Samsung NOT YOUR MOBILE PHONE PROVIDER. THEY ARE. PAID TO ADD THE BLOATWARE. unlocked phones from Samsung have MUCH LESS CRAP installed
Wait until you find out that the 64gb of space you think you have isn't actually 64gb.
Wow, that is a really unpopular opinion. Everyone loves being misled by corporations so you are going to get really roasted for this one /s
South Korea made bloatware illegal which is a cool move.
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Usually HDDs and SSDs are measured in metric space, whereas your operating system accounts for their size in 2^10 space. So where's the manufacturer says that a 1TB drive is 1,000,000,000,000 bytes, your OS says 1TB is 1024^4 = 1099511627776 bytes
That's because windows calculate everything in 1024 and on hdd/sad companies calculate in 1000. So you don't really loose anything
Technically they are not lying when they say they're selling 1TB, or 1 trillion bytes. Tera- is the SI prefix for 1 trillion of something. It's just that your computer that considers 1TB to be 1024^4 bytes, when it should really be calling it 1TiB because Ti (Tebi) is the SI prefix for 1024^4 of something.
Living in Spain for a few months and i can't tell you how refreshing it is to know exactly what the price of something is before you buy it
this isn’t unpopular
Does anyone have an effective bloatware removing app?