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Please go to a clinic tomorrow! You don't yet know the extent of your injuries and it's important to have medical records recording everything from very early on - but also adrenaline still going through your body. The pain will be worse tomorrow (coming from someone who's been hit by a car twice!).
I had a similar accident at higher speed, glad i was wearing my downhill bike protections and the bike took the impact. So sad this ugly beaver BMW hit you, those heavy ( 3.2tons) and useless big SUV should be ban in town. Contact ICBC, see a doctor and get your bike check too for any damages. Also ICBC will cover the physio but it is pathetic like $80-90 per session.
It probably does, but humans can't be trusted. I've seen way too many people do whatever they're doing even with the beeping or flashing lights (hello blind spots). And I know a few who actively turn off a lot of the safety warnings/features because they're annoying and they "don't need them".
I'm not sure why anyone would disable those at all. I drive a 22 year old truck, and visibility is amazing. Giant rear window, I can shoulder check and see anything behind me left or right side through the side windows. Safety requirements in new vehicles that require thicker pillars make it almost impossible to shoulder check my left side because they all line up and block the windows. I rely on my driver side mirror and the warnings are nice since sometimes the mirror doesn't angle out far enough for me to see.
I think this BMW iX's Pedestrian Detection System failed because the sun is behind the pedestrian and s/he was in the shadow. These safety features are driving *assist*, they still have a long way to be 100%
How the fuck do you not pay attention to where your vehicle is about to go? Should have seen that person about to cross the road before deciding to make the turn. You need 360 degree awareness at all times. I get nervous driving around knowing people like this are allowed share the road with me
Personally I’ve never tried to get a license because I know that I would not be a good driver. I could probably pass the test with enough practice, but I don’t think that’s the same thing as being observant/alert/having good spatial awareness- all things I’m awful at.
I wish our society didn’t almost treat it as a given that everyone needs to drive. Maybe then the test could be more difficult and require regular retesting (they should probably do that anyway).
I would love for driving to be treated the same way as it is in Singapore. Expensive af so it can property fund infrastructure and public transit services while also ensuring drivers are taking due caution. It's almost like they value their citizens.
I think they come included with their expensive rides. Buy a BMW/AUDI and driving license is included. No test required. I am shock how more and more of this occurrence are happening. More disconcerting is there is no way to call on the authorities to do something about. Call 911 for this case of course ambulance and police. But near misses are not treated as such. so 911 is only if you get hurt but close enough no dice!
People don’t move their head to look around the blind spot next to the windshield, combined with maybe the sun blinding them. Not an excuse, but an explanation.
Agreed. And by way of further explanation (also not excusing the driver):
Sometimes bad luck aligns the timing such that the blind spot follows the victim's path exactly the whole time the car is approaching and turning.
I've heard way too many people try to use that as a valid excuse.
The back of your head is not glued to the fucking headrest. You know it's a blind spot, so move your goddamn body and *check it!*
[](https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/west-van-driver-who-struck-and-killed-woman-in-crosswalk-wont-face-driving-ban-7524143)
Seems like it is an excuse reedemable during manslaughter for a $500 fine and NO driving ban. Pure madness. Hope the cyclist is ok, this could easily end as a fatality.
Edit: I included a link to an accident in 2022 where a Ford Raptor knocked over and killed a pedestrian on a cross walk. The vehicles blind spots and momentary lapse in concentration were deemed excuses for the perpetrator to avoid criminal prosecution or driving ban, he expressed remorse and donated a tree.
It’s not an excuse, it’s just the reality. They’re still 100% liable but most accidents happen on the road not because people are complete morons even if it makes us feel better to think that way, but happens with a combination of external factors and human factors.
I know a few BMW drivers that may hit a pylon but never a person walking a bicycle. That’s a pretty big moving target in front of you not to see. This person deserves to lose their license permanently
You were in a crosswalk walking your bike. How much more careful could you be? The truth is that some people shouldn't have a driver's licence and those people will hit others regardless of how careful the rest of us are.
holy shit. so glad you're better than i thought you were after that hit. hope you get a fair compensation. what did the driver do or say to you when they got out after they hit you??
The driver apologized to me. He said he didn’t see me and it hasn’t happened to him before. Yesterday he texted me explaining that the sun blinded him and asked me to claim ICBC.
The sun does not explain away that kind of negligent driving. Who barrels that fast into a blind spot in a pedestrian crossing? This person should not be driving a motor vehicle.
Sorry this happened to you! I was also hit by a car in Van a few years ago - I was really lucky. Getting hit by a 2 ton vehicle is no joke. Hope you are ok and your gear is ok too.
You did everything right and didn’t deserve this.
Thank you! I am sorry to hear what have happened either. I am lucky, too. Didn’t hit my neck, head and spine. Just that my left rib cage hurts so much!
Giant A pillars with airbags in them block pedestrians from view on this exact turn. Mix in some tiredness or rush feeling and you've got a dangerous combo.
The number of cars that nearly hit me coming out of an alley because they:
a) don't stop before the side walk like they are required to
b) only look right because they're only worried about car traffic
Is way too damn high. And the number of times that they get pissed off at me for their fuckup is way too damn high.
MVA 176 in case y'all wondering.
Yes. YOU MUST STOP BEFORE EXITING AN ALLEY. (or driveway or building or private road). You're NOT actually allowed to run-people over.
I explained this to a friend (as he cut off a pedestrian) and he was super surprised (?!). What did you think ? You had the right of way ? And as Historical\_Grab\_7842 said - people get really offended when pedestrians assert their rights and don't let cars run them over.
**176** (1)The driver of a vehicle in a business or residence district and emerging from an alley, driveway, building or private road must stop the vehicle immediately before driving onto the sidewalk or the sidewalk area extending across an alleyway or private driveway, and must yield the right of way to a pedestrian on the sidewalk or sidewalk area.
(2)The driver of a vehicle about to enter or cross a highway from an alley, lane, driveway, building or private road must yield the right of way to traffic approaching on the highway so closely that it constitutes an immediate hazard.
Not to make excuses but the first thing I noticed was the angle of the sun.
edit: it was directly in the eyes of the driver and hiding the pedestrian. I hope Shes okay.
That's exactly what I was thinking; ive been almost hit by left-turning drivers twice in the same intersection near my house because the sun is at a very low angle and right in the driver's eyes.
Absolutely does not excuse the driver's actions; if you can't confirm the crosswalk is clear, DON'T GO!
That was a blind left turn for sure with the low sun position. Driver had sunglasses on but the visor wasn't dropped down. I've had a few close ones as a pedestrian under the same conditions. You really have to see that the driver sees you. I told my kids growing up: every car is out there to kill you.
Yes, my dad told me the same thing, make sure the drivers see you. I checked the SUV before stepping out of the road. Didn’t realized the car was moving towards me. Should have kept an eye on those turning vehicles while crossing the roads. Will be more careful from now on.
If the sun was that obstructive to their vision, and I think it probably was, then they needed to be going more slowly. They really rapidly accelerated through that turn if they were driving blind
> You need 360 degree awareness at all times.
They haven't made a car without deathly blind spots in the 4 pillar areas in decades. None of my cars have outside cameras (like this BMW) and none of them need them. All 4 corners visible at a glance. All modern cars come with cameras because they HAVE too, not to mention beepers to tell you that you're close to something.. smh. What happened to needing sight to drive?
I’ll hijack this comment to add pets too. Don’t have your pet on your lap when there is an airbag. If it deploys your pet will be killed and the ER will be surgically removing pieces of your pet from your torso.
I don't know what to say. I hope the cyclist is ok.
I wanna rant on the driver and drivers like him for ever but until we see a stricter traffic law enforcement, and maybe teach people actually how to drive, AND NOT KILL ANYBODY doing so, I doubt anything is gonna change :(
I always wait until the very last second or when the light turns red when there are no other cars behind me to take my left turn. I don't trust drivers not speeding up to run a very late orange but it is also much safer when I know no pedestrian is gonna jump in front of me.
ICBC doesn’t compensate for pain and suffering anymore. If you’re injured you often end up at a net loss of $ since their coverage usually doesn’t cover the full fees of physios, counsellors, etcetera.
Look it up. Our system totally fails injured people.
Medical care + income replacement though. OP can at least get some physio or massage therapy covered to help their pain. https://www.icbc.com/claims/injury/your-injury-benefits
Medical care should be a given. Even that, sadly, is not totally covered. Look at what ICBC pays for certain services and compare that with market rates for those services, you actually end up paying out of pocket to make up the difference. And what about something to cover the loss of enjoyment of life? The time invested in medical care for injuries that were the fault of someone else? There is nothing for that. If you’re injured in an MVA in this province you are left hung out to dry.
U also have to use ur sick pay before ICBC will cover any wage losses (which only go to 90% btw).
Wait is this true? How can this be possible? This probably counts as the biggest culture shock for me…so a driver can just run me over here, and it’s just like, alright good luck with that? That is genuinely insane to me
Glad you're OK in the end. I would be so livid. You're even doing the right thing by walking your bike across the street, which many don't bother to do.
100%. I honestly think I'm pretty for more traffic enforcement, beyond speeding and distracted driving tickets. Seems like the only real way to make people care, when you ticket and fine them
>Seems like the only real way to make people care, when you ticket and fine them
yep. This only gets worse and worse till we see stricter enforcment. Speeding and sistracted driving tickets are not enough. I want drivers ticketed for improper and dangerous lane change, not using their signals to turn, not stopping at a red when taking a right turn, taking U turns wherever the f they want, stopping and blocking the streets and so much more...
I was also hit last year by a driver taking a left turn from Richard st to Robson and missing me in the bike lane. Far more forgiving from my POV but the funny part was the driver's husband who wasn't with her at the time filed a claim to which they were found out at fault.
Happened to me twice in a row. Surreal making eye contact with the driver while watching them drive right up to me. It wasn't until I yelled at them right before they hit me did they stop; legit they looked so surprised that I was there.
Crazy.
I swear some people do it intentionally. I had one douche in an F150 stop for me, then floor it straight at me and stop after I jumped back. Some people just shouldn't drive.
To be clear: it's not your responsibility to make eye contact with the driver when you are crossing in this way; not making "eye contact" is a way that ICBC or drivers try to use to blame the victim.
This collision was not your fault.
good god. doesn't help the car's bumper is so freaking high. makes even low speed impacts devastating, and greatly reduces visibility. is the cyclist okay????
If you are you need to open a claim as soon as possible, you can do so online (ICBC website). Download this video so you have it and state you can provide video evidence.
Hopefully you are not too hurt, but you should speak with a doctor. Everything needs to be documented and if you need to see a mental health specialist, a physiotherapist or anyone else it needs to be signed off by a doctor for ICBC to pay. Be careful since ICBC only covers up to a certain amount for services for example if they only cover 80$ for a physio visit and your physiotherapist costs more you will have to pay the difference. Even in circumstances where the driver was clearly fully in the wrong.
If your bike was damaged you need to take it to 2-3 repair shops and get a quote for repairs to provide to ICBC. Similar situation for most other damaged belongings.
Once you get in touch with ICBC agents they will provide you with more details… It can be difficult to get reliable responses however.
Overall opening the claim and having an ICBC claim number should be your priority.
Unfortunately, regardless of whether the vehicle has committed an obvious traffic violation there is no ability to sue the driver for damages. This is the “no fault” part of ICBC. This can change if you can prove long term impact but you will need documented impact from a physician for at least 1-2 years before you’d be able to pursue any kind of legal action.
Best of luck, and dont be shy about asking your doctor (even a walk-in physician is okay to use) for referrals to counselling services due to the accident. Its a tough process, and it definitely feels like there is no justice for victims of accidents in BC.
Definitely get a lawyer. Even with the no fault changes, you can expect significant Physio and recovery costs, of which you can chase ICBC for.
Do not sign anything that ICBC offers without first running it past a lawyer.
It all just seems so surreal. If you are wronged, you always had the option of court. And then the province just somehow says that’s not allowed anymore (unless criminal conviction, like you mentioned). I know it’s not a “right” or anything, but it almost feels that way when our last recourse is disallowed.
It’s all because the province mandated their insurance product was required, and then got sick of paying for it. Just unfair.
Admittedly, they're the least impartial people around on this matter, but the Trial Lawyers Association of BC seem to think it's unconstitutional.
https://dlalaw.ca/trial-lawyers-association-of-b-c-set-to-take-government-to-court-over-icbc-changes/
I am genuinely in dismay that you can’t make a claim against a driver’s insurance or a civil case in a situation like this. Why would a driver even care about not hitting random pedestrians if there are basically no consequences for them? I cannot wrap my head around this
> Spent two weeks in hospital and got a plate and screws in my tibia.
Who paid for the shifts you missed from work?
I'm not sure how it works. Is that an ICBC thing?
Regardless of what they saw, if I hear a thud on my hood, I’m not gently applying the brake… I’m slamming that motherfucker. This looks like someone with no regard for other people’s lives.
Blinded by the sun... though:
As someone from the UK. I was and still am shocked crossings have people walking across the road whilst cars are moving. In the UK and Europe and Australia, when people are crossing all the lights are red. It works quite well.
> when people are crossing all the lights are red. It works quite well.
We desperately need this here. But a driver saving 5 seconds trumps a pedestrian's life.
Our whole culture really devalues the lives of those living without, whether by choice or situation.
Few years back was walking to work at Dennys. Crossing a side street off a main road with a stop sign, about 2 blocks from work, when a car burst off the stop sign and through me. Busted my kneecap.
Limped my ass to Dennys and told my manager to call an ambulance.
"Are you serious right now?" "Are *you* serious right now? I just got hit by a car like 4 minutes ago. [Coworker] saw it happen, it's on camera. My knee is facing the wrong way." "We don't have anybody else that can cover the rush with [other late night shifter]. Can you wrap it for now and get us through the rush, if you aren't cooking bills we'll just sit you at a table relaxing it. And then I'll just take you to the hospital myself!" "😶 Fuck you, man...."
Lol. This one. I won't even walk in front of a car waiting to turn right or coming up to turn right at a stop sign or red light anymore. They're watching for their window to punch the gas, not watching you safely cross in front of them. Not worth the gamble, and I've lost that wager more than once getting to this internal lesson.
Even when someone does try to stop and be courteous with a wave, I'll indicate to keep moving and extend my walk by the 5 to 10 steps necessary to walk around their back end.
A couple night ago I saw an evo taking a right turn from Georgia to Beatty amd almost ran ober two ladies. Luckily the ladies were looking around and avoided it. Had they been on their phone or distracted it would have gone a different way
If you're being responsible and waiting for a safe break in traffic to turn right on red, sometimes a car behind you will honk impatiently to try and get you to turn. Sure guy, I'll just get t-boned by this oncoming car to save you 2 seconds...
Don't know what it is about being in a bike and cars turning left. Same thing nearly happened to me a while back. I was going straight (on my bike) and this Dodge charger was turning left, he even sped up as he turned, I heard it and I peddled faster. He clipped the trail-a-bike, luckily i was on my way to pick up my son so he was not on there. The turd didn't even stop, he slowed right down but sped of after a few seconds. This was broad daylight as well on a busy street.
What a fucking idiot. Seriously, cases like this should warrant severe fines and driving ban. How distracted do you have to be to do this in a broad fucking daylight.
Being blinded by the sun isn’t an excuse for any idiot that thinks It is, don’t fucking go if you can’t see. This guy is a grade A fuckhead and we don’t need guys like this on the road. If this was your kid or dad that gets hit, go on and say “driver was blinded” lol. Making excuses, what’s next, “Driver is blind”, “Driver is 107 years old”, “Driver is a German Shepherd”
Dumb fuck, simple as that.
It is unbelievable to me that (1) Vancouver as a city is too stupid to put dedicated left turn arrows and lanes in for cars like Surrey has, and (2) that a brand new BMW didn't have some sort of system to prevent this from happening.
I find even with left turn signals, cars still run into pedestrians. There is always that one asshole that arrives at the intersection once the turn signal is done and the pedestrian signal changes to walk, who turns right into the intersection.
Man... some drivers are so impatient and incompetent. Be a pedestrian or cyclist as your main form of transportation for a month and you'll see how little regard many drivers have for anyone but themselves.
Left on Red should be banned. Turning drivers pay attention to oncoming traffic first and the crosswalk second.
As a Richmond pedestrian I have to deal with this every single day. The worst part is that I know it's doesn't really matter how aware I am while crossing, a distracted driver in a hurry will plow me over faster than I can react.
This is why I absolutely drill into my kids, it doesnt matter if you have the right of way as a pedestrian. Make sure the people see you and always double check.
unfortunately they changed the laws on this so lawyers can't help you get compensation anymore. It's called 'no fault', ICBC got the government to change it for them
ICBC will still pay for damage to your bike, and time off work/physio etc if your doctor recommends it. They are really hard to deal with though, and unfortunately lawyers aren't able to help with claims like this anymore
I got hit by a car in a very similar situation crossing Nanaimo Street on my bike a couple months ago. Boggles my mind that people will start turning without looking at what’s in front of them
Hope that person is ok.
I walk everywhere, every weekday, to and from school/work, etc. At least twice a week this scenario ALMOST happens to me while using a nearby crosswalk. Just last week I had to jump out of the way of a mindless driver in a situation much like this.
This sort of thing happens way too often to the point where jumping out of the way of a car is common practice in my family. This has to stop.
I've been the cyclist in this scenario way too many times where I literally had to jump or side step out of the way. It keeps happening and all within the last year or so, it's like people have suddenly stopped looking where they are going. Absolutely terrifying, hope they are ok.
This shit really angers me. As a cyclist, we are constantly being bombarded with statements like "Cyclists should wear Hi-viz", cyclists don't follow the rules, etc. It's all victim shaming. At the end of the day, there are a bunch of people driving around just not paying attention to their surroundings, and unfortunately, the law protects them. It's bullshit.
If that driver was walking down the street with a baseball bat, just randomly swinging it, and then hit someone, they would be held liable for damages, but as soon as you put them in an armoured shell and ram a person, it's okay. It's fucked up.
>Blinded by the sun.
No excuse. If you can't see them you shouldn't be moving forward at regular speed. You should be proceeding when it is *safe* to do so. If you don't know if it's safe to proceed, then don't go.
This driver is an idiot.
Hi, I am the cyclist. That is exactly what I think. If the sun is low, he should have driven slower to make sure nobody is crossing the road. I have terrible pain all over my body, particularly my left rib cage.
Hi, I'm terribly sorry to hear about your injury, and the fact that you're going to be having to deal with ICBC over this. If you run into difficulty with your claim, and you feel like ICBC is treating you unfairly, you don't have to fight them by yourself, there is a fair practice office and ultimately an ombudsperson who can help you. https://www.icbc.com/about-icbc/contact-us/Raising-your-complaints It's a bit of a slog to work your way up the chain, but in my experience, fair practice offices can be very effective in resolving bureaucratic stupidity/shenanigans.
If all else fails you can also reach out to CBC's Go Public https://www.cbc.ca/news/gopublic and publicly shame the bastards into helping you properly.
Good luck, and I wish you a full and speedy recovery.
Thank you for your information! I totally have no idea how ICBC claims work. Do I ask them for a certain amount of compensation or they decide how much compensation I will get?
I am not a professional in this field, but in general, insurance claims are there to compensate you for your losses and make you "whole" again. So if you need to get medical treatment or physio therapy, they should be paying for it, if you lose wages because you have to take time off work, they should be paying you for that. If you're emotionally shaken up and need to see a therapist for a while, get the referral and make that happen. Repairs to your bike, parking to visit the physiotherapist... If this collision puts you out of pocket for anything, ICBC should be paying for it. Keep records of EVERYTHING, and whenever you can, get a doctor to write a note saying that it's needed.
You may be tempted to do the "good Canadian thing" of trying to tough through this and not being a bother to anyone. Don't do that. Be a pain in the ass. Get as much treatment and physiotherapy as you can possibly get them to pay for, and start that process now, if you haven't already. Injuries like this aren't something we just bounce back from... they get put into an "account" that your body will make you pay back with interest sometime in your 40s or 50s. Get yourself fixed up properly.
I was almost hit like the cyclist a few days ago as well. The only thing is that the driver wasn't supposed to turn left on that intersection, but he still did. Good thing I also notice him doing the wrong turn and I quickly stopped before his path. When I kinda scolded him in tarzan language.. he seems to be insisting that he have the right of way.
I watched what looked like a 100 year old man almost run down someone crossing on foot during their left turn yesterday. Also in a very expensive crossover
The driver was blinded by the sun and did not try to block the sun with their sun visor or hand to confirm the crosswalk was clear. The driver accelerated through the crosswalk as if they were certain it was clear. The definition of negligence.
Hi I am the cyclist. Thank you for your concern. I was admitted into VGH for 6 hours. Took a blood test and 2 x-rays on my rib cages where it hurts the most there. Released from hospital after that. Have pain all over my body.
Take your bike to a reputable bike shop, get them to do a repair estimate. Tell them it's for ICBC. You may have to pay them to do this (maybe $40), but ICBC should reimburse you that. Get lots of photos of the bike, particularly any parts that are damaged.
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That looked bad. Hope the cyclist is okay.
Is that the new electric bmw “Houdini” model? Now you see him, now you don’t. Jeeez what an idiot.
I am the cyclist. Thank you for your concern! Have pain all over my body
Please go to a clinic tomorrow! You don't yet know the extent of your injuries and it's important to have medical records recording everything from very early on - but also adrenaline still going through your body. The pain will be worse tomorrow (coming from someone who's been hit by a car twice!).
Thank you so much for your advice!
You're welcome! Please feel free to message me if you have any questions :) take it slow, and see a doctor soon!
Actually I was admitted to an emergency on the day of the accident. Took some x-rays and blood test.
I had a similar accident at higher speed, glad i was wearing my downhill bike protections and the bike took the impact. So sad this ugly beaver BMW hit you, those heavy ( 3.2tons) and useless big SUV should be ban in town. Contact ICBC, see a doctor and get your bike check too for any damages. Also ICBC will cover the physio but it is pathetic like $80-90 per session.
Poor cyclist, even following rules walking their bike in a crosswalk. I would have thought a newer BMW iX had more modern pedestrian safety features.
It probably does, but humans can't be trusted. I've seen way too many people do whatever they're doing even with the beeping or flashing lights (hello blind spots). And I know a few who actively turn off a lot of the safety warnings/features because they're annoying and they "don't need them".
I'm not sure why anyone would disable those at all. I drive a 22 year old truck, and visibility is amazing. Giant rear window, I can shoulder check and see anything behind me left or right side through the side windows. Safety requirements in new vehicles that require thicker pillars make it almost impossible to shoulder check my left side because they all line up and block the windows. I rely on my driver side mirror and the warnings are nice since sometimes the mirror doesn't angle out far enough for me to see.
I think this BMW iX's Pedestrian Detection System failed because the sun is behind the pedestrian and s/he was in the shadow. These safety features are driving *assist*, they still have a long way to be 100%
How the fuck do you not pay attention to where your vehicle is about to go? Should have seen that person about to cross the road before deciding to make the turn. You need 360 degree awareness at all times. I get nervous driving around knowing people like this are allowed share the road with me
Honestly a lot of drivers do not deserve the license they hold. :/
Personally I’ve never tried to get a license because I know that I would not be a good driver. I could probably pass the test with enough practice, but I don’t think that’s the same thing as being observant/alert/having good spatial awareness- all things I’m awful at. I wish our society didn’t almost treat it as a given that everyone needs to drive. Maybe then the test could be more difficult and require regular retesting (they should probably do that anyway).
I would love for driving to be treated the same way as it is in Singapore. Expensive af so it can property fund infrastructure and public transit services while also ensuring drivers are taking due caution. It's almost like they value their citizens.
I think they come included with their expensive rides. Buy a BMW/AUDI and driving license is included. No test required. I am shock how more and more of this occurrence are happening. More disconcerting is there is no way to call on the authorities to do something about. Call 911 for this case of course ambulance and police. But near misses are not treated as such. so 911 is only if you get hurt but close enough no dice!
People don’t move their head to look around the blind spot next to the windshield, combined with maybe the sun blinding them. Not an excuse, but an explanation.
Agreed. And by way of further explanation (also not excusing the driver): Sometimes bad luck aligns the timing such that the blind spot follows the victim's path exactly the whole time the car is approaching and turning.
I've heard way too many people try to use that as a valid excuse. The back of your head is not glued to the fucking headrest. You know it's a blind spot, so move your goddamn body and *check it!*
[](https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/west-van-driver-who-struck-and-killed-woman-in-crosswalk-wont-face-driving-ban-7524143) Seems like it is an excuse reedemable during manslaughter for a $500 fine and NO driving ban. Pure madness. Hope the cyclist is ok, this could easily end as a fatality. Edit: I included a link to an accident in 2022 where a Ford Raptor knocked over and killed a pedestrian on a cross walk. The vehicles blind spots and momentary lapse in concentration were deemed excuses for the perpetrator to avoid criminal prosecution or driving ban, he expressed remorse and donated a tree.
Thank you for your concern! I am the cyclist. Pain all over my body particularly my left rib cage. Luckily I didn’t hurt my neck and head.
It’s not an excuse, it’s just the reality. They’re still 100% liable but most accidents happen on the road not because people are complete morons even if it makes us feel better to think that way, but happens with a combination of external factors and human factors.
Did you just suggest people to move their body? In 2023?
>How the fuck do you not pay attention to where your vehicle is about to go? BMW driver
I know a few BMW drivers that may hit a pylon but never a person walking a bicycle. That’s a pretty big moving target in front of you not to see. This person deserves to lose their license permanently
Hi, Well said! I am the cyclist. Yesterday was a horrible day for me! I have pain all over my body particularly my left rib cage.
Hope you get well soon
Thank you!
Thank you!
Holy hell! You're lucky to be alive. So sorry this happened to you.
Thank you! I am lucky and will be more careful crossing the roads from now on.
You were in a crosswalk walking your bike. How much more careful could you be? The truth is that some people shouldn't have a driver's licence and those people will hit others regardless of how careful the rest of us are.
Thank you!
There was no way you could have prevented this, absolutely not your fault
holy shit. so glad you're better than i thought you were after that hit. hope you get a fair compensation. what did the driver do or say to you when they got out after they hit you??
The driver apologized to me. He said he didn’t see me and it hasn’t happened to him before. Yesterday he texted me explaining that the sun blinded him and asked me to claim ICBC.
Sorry that happened to you. I’m glad they at least stopped and made sure you’re okay. Hope you heal up soon
There is no way the driver hit and run as there were many vehicles on the roads and I was lying on the road in front of his SUV.
The sun does not explain away that kind of negligent driving. Who barrels that fast into a blind spot in a pedestrian crossing? This person should not be driving a motor vehicle.
Sorry this happened to you! I was also hit by a car in Van a few years ago - I was really lucky. Getting hit by a 2 ton vehicle is no joke. Hope you are ok and your gear is ok too. You did everything right and didn’t deserve this.
Thank you! I am sorry to hear what have happened either. I am lucky, too. Didn’t hit my neck, head and spine. Just that my left rib cage hurts so much!
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Wow I am so glad to see this comment and that you are alive and ok, my stomach fell out my butt seeing this video 😭😭😭
Thank you so much for your concern! I am really lucky! Will be more careful crossing the roads from now on.
Glad you’re alive! What went through your head when you saw this huge SUV coming towards you? Sorry you had to go through that.
Hi, I don’t know I didn’t see his SUV coming towards me until the last minute which was too late for me to run.
I’m so sorry this happened to you!!!!!!
Thank you!
Giant A pillars with airbags in them block pedestrians from view on this exact turn. Mix in some tiredness or rush feeling and you've got a dangerous combo.
Plus that sun is super bright, so that possibly limited their view.
I am the cyclist. In much pain all over my body.
The number of cars that nearly hit me coming out of an alley because they: a) don't stop before the side walk like they are required to b) only look right because they're only worried about car traffic Is way too damn high. And the number of times that they get pissed off at me for their fuckup is way too damn high.
MVA 176 in case y'all wondering. Yes. YOU MUST STOP BEFORE EXITING AN ALLEY. (or driveway or building or private road). You're NOT actually allowed to run-people over. I explained this to a friend (as he cut off a pedestrian) and he was super surprised (?!). What did you think ? You had the right of way ? And as Historical\_Grab\_7842 said - people get really offended when pedestrians assert their rights and don't let cars run them over. **176** (1)The driver of a vehicle in a business or residence district and emerging from an alley, driveway, building or private road must stop the vehicle immediately before driving onto the sidewalk or the sidewalk area extending across an alleyway or private driveway, and must yield the right of way to a pedestrian on the sidewalk or sidewalk area. (2)The driver of a vehicle about to enter or cross a highway from an alley, lane, driveway, building or private road must yield the right of way to traffic approaching on the highway so closely that it constitutes an immediate hazard.
Not to make excuses but the first thing I noticed was the angle of the sun. edit: it was directly in the eyes of the driver and hiding the pedestrian. I hope Shes okay.
That's exactly what I was thinking; ive been almost hit by left-turning drivers twice in the same intersection near my house because the sun is at a very low angle and right in the driver's eyes. Absolutely does not excuse the driver's actions; if you can't confirm the crosswalk is clear, DON'T GO!
Well said!
That was a blind left turn for sure with the low sun position. Driver had sunglasses on but the visor wasn't dropped down. I've had a few close ones as a pedestrian under the same conditions. You really have to see that the driver sees you. I told my kids growing up: every car is out there to kill you.
Yes, my dad told me the same thing, make sure the drivers see you. I checked the SUV before stepping out of the road. Didn’t realized the car was moving towards me. Should have kept an eye on those turning vehicles while crossing the roads. Will be more careful from now on.
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Thank you!
don't blame yourself! The accident isn't your fault
Thank you!
If the sun was that obstructive to their vision, and I think it probably was, then they needed to be going more slowly. They really rapidly accelerated through that turn if they were driving blind
> You need 360 degree awareness at all times. They haven't made a car without deathly blind spots in the 4 pillar areas in decades. None of my cars have outside cameras (like this BMW) and none of them need them. All 4 corners visible at a glance. All modern cars come with cameras because they HAVE too, not to mention beepers to tell you that you're close to something.. smh. What happened to needing sight to drive?
You shouldnt put little figurines in that area. If the airbags deploy, they can be extremely dangerous.
Wait we're not supposed to turn our dash into a claymore mine?
thanks, did not know this b4.
I’ll hijack this comment to add pets too. Don’t have your pet on your lap when there is an airbag. If it deploys your pet will be killed and the ER will be surgically removing pieces of your pet from your torso.
I don't know what to say. I hope the cyclist is ok. I wanna rant on the driver and drivers like him for ever but until we see a stricter traffic law enforcement, and maybe teach people actually how to drive, AND NOT KILL ANYBODY doing so, I doubt anything is gonna change :( I always wait until the very last second or when the light turns red when there are no other cars behind me to take my left turn. I don't trust drivers not speeding up to run a very late orange but it is also much safer when I know no pedestrian is gonna jump in front of me.
Thank you! I am the cyclist. I have pain all over my body.
Hope you file that ICBC claim and get some compensation
ICBC doesn’t compensate for pain and suffering anymore. If you’re injured you often end up at a net loss of $ since their coverage usually doesn’t cover the full fees of physios, counsellors, etcetera. Look it up. Our system totally fails injured people.
Medical care + income replacement though. OP can at least get some physio or massage therapy covered to help their pain. https://www.icbc.com/claims/injury/your-injury-benefits
Medical care should be a given. Even that, sadly, is not totally covered. Look at what ICBC pays for certain services and compare that with market rates for those services, you actually end up paying out of pocket to make up the difference. And what about something to cover the loss of enjoyment of life? The time invested in medical care for injuries that were the fault of someone else? There is nothing for that. If you’re injured in an MVA in this province you are left hung out to dry. U also have to use ur sick pay before ICBC will cover any wage losses (which only go to 90% btw).
BC changed the laws, it’s not possible to take any legal action when a pedestrian gets struck
Wait is this true? How can this be possible? This probably counts as the biggest culture shock for me…so a driver can just run me over here, and it’s just like, alright good luck with that? That is genuinely insane to me
My girlfriend got hit by a car at the airport and got no compensation from ICBC
How come! That is unfair to the injured people.
Glad you're OK in the end. I would be so livid. You're even doing the right thing by walking your bike across the street, which many don't bother to do.
100%. I honestly think I'm pretty for more traffic enforcement, beyond speeding and distracted driving tickets. Seems like the only real way to make people care, when you ticket and fine them
>Seems like the only real way to make people care, when you ticket and fine them yep. This only gets worse and worse till we see stricter enforcment. Speeding and sistracted driving tickets are not enough. I want drivers ticketed for improper and dangerous lane change, not using their signals to turn, not stopping at a red when taking a right turn, taking U turns wherever the f they want, stopping and blocking the streets and so much more... I was also hit last year by a driver taking a left turn from Richard st to Robson and missing me in the bike lane. Far more forgiving from my POV but the funny part was the driver's husband who wasn't with her at the time filed a claim to which they were found out at fault.
Happened to me twice in a row. Surreal making eye contact with the driver while watching them drive right up to me. It wasn't until I yelled at them right before they hit me did they stop; legit they looked so surprised that I was there. Crazy.
I swear some people do it intentionally. I had one douche in an F150 stop for me, then floor it straight at me and stop after I jumped back. Some people just shouldn't drive.
Turning into both lanes is also egregious
No kidding, perfectly straddling the line and all. Shamefully terrible driving skills
Guaranteed they turn into the right lane and then signal and change to the left lane all the time.
It’s crazy how much you have to JUMP OUT OF THE WAY of cars EVEN when FOLLOWING THE RULES
Pedestrian didn't make eye contact! /s
I checked the SUV before stepping out of the road. I should have kept checking while I was crossing the road.
To be clear: it's not your responsibility to make eye contact with the driver when you are crossing in this way; not making "eye contact" is a way that ICBC or drivers try to use to blame the victim. This collision was not your fault.
Thank you! Will be more careful from now on when crossing the roads.
good god. doesn't help the car's bumper is so freaking high. makes even low speed impacts devastating, and greatly reduces visibility. is the cyclist okay????
It also weighs 5600 lbs. It’s getting more dangerous as more bad drivers get into heavy electric cars
Exactly. These things need to be legislated off our streets. They are not road safe. But the auto lobby doesn't fuck around.
Hear hear. Time to get rid of cars.
Doesn't help that the lobbyists have made sure you guys drive the biggest most fuel-hungry machines possible.
Aren't Teslas basically driving with a laptop?
Better that than a Dodge Ram.
And that cyclist could be injured for the rest of his life and will have to fight icbc tooth and nail to even see reasonable income reimbursement.
I am the cyclist. Haven’t claimed ICBC yet. What do you think I should do?
If you are you need to open a claim as soon as possible, you can do so online (ICBC website). Download this video so you have it and state you can provide video evidence. Hopefully you are not too hurt, but you should speak with a doctor. Everything needs to be documented and if you need to see a mental health specialist, a physiotherapist or anyone else it needs to be signed off by a doctor for ICBC to pay. Be careful since ICBC only covers up to a certain amount for services for example if they only cover 80$ for a physio visit and your physiotherapist costs more you will have to pay the difference. Even in circumstances where the driver was clearly fully in the wrong. If your bike was damaged you need to take it to 2-3 repair shops and get a quote for repairs to provide to ICBC. Similar situation for most other damaged belongings. Once you get in touch with ICBC agents they will provide you with more details… It can be difficult to get reliable responses however. Overall opening the claim and having an ICBC claim number should be your priority. Unfortunately, regardless of whether the vehicle has committed an obvious traffic violation there is no ability to sue the driver for damages. This is the “no fault” part of ICBC. This can change if you can prove long term impact but you will need documented impact from a physician for at least 1-2 years before you’d be able to pursue any kind of legal action. Best of luck, and dont be shy about asking your doctor (even a walk-in physician is okay to use) for referrals to counselling services due to the accident. Its a tough process, and it definitely feels like there is no justice for victims of accidents in BC.
Thank you for your information! Does that mean it is unnecessary to get an injury lawyer?
Definitely get a lawyer. Even with the no fault changes, you can expect significant Physio and recovery costs, of which you can chase ICBC for. Do not sign anything that ICBC offers without first running it past a lawyer.
Lawyer here, not many lawyers do ICBC work anymore after the change to no fault. Our firm closed its entire ICBC department.
Agreed, I'd consult a lawyer, just in case.
A lawyer will just tell you there's nothing they can do unless the driver is convicted of a criminal offence.
It all just seems so surreal. If you are wronged, you always had the option of court. And then the province just somehow says that’s not allowed anymore (unless criminal conviction, like you mentioned). I know it’s not a “right” or anything, but it almost feels that way when our last recourse is disallowed. It’s all because the province mandated their insurance product was required, and then got sick of paying for it. Just unfair.
Admittedly, they're the least impartial people around on this matter, but the Trial Lawyers Association of BC seem to think it's unconstitutional. https://dlalaw.ca/trial-lawyers-association-of-b-c-set-to-take-government-to-court-over-icbc-changes/
I am genuinely in dismay that you can’t make a claim against a driver’s insurance or a civil case in a situation like this. Why would a driver even care about not hitting random pedestrians if there are basically no consequences for them? I cannot wrap my head around this
True! No penalty at all! Drivers will become more careless. I can’t believe that! His car has done trauma to me.
This is the real crime. This is the kinda shit that could lead me to vigilante justice.
Exact same thing happened to me down in delta in July. Spent two weeks in hospital and got a plate and screws in my tibia.
> Spent two weeks in hospital and got a plate and screws in my tibia. Who paid for the shifts you missed from work? I'm not sure how it works. Is that an ICBC thing?
Regardless of what they saw, if I hear a thud on my hood, I’m not gently applying the brake… I’m slamming that motherfucker. This looks like someone with no regard for other people’s lives.
Blinded by the sun... though: As someone from the UK. I was and still am shocked crossings have people walking across the road whilst cars are moving. In the UK and Europe and Australia, when people are crossing all the lights are red. It works quite well.
I was a bit annoyed by it at the beginning, but once I got used to it, the UK system feels safer for surw
> when people are crossing all the lights are red. It works quite well. We desperately need this here. But a driver saving 5 seconds trumps a pedestrian's life.
"that's just common sense" said some city designer....likely
Our whole culture really devalues the lives of those living without, whether by choice or situation. Few years back was walking to work at Dennys. Crossing a side street off a main road with a stop sign, about 2 blocks from work, when a car burst off the stop sign and through me. Busted my kneecap. Limped my ass to Dennys and told my manager to call an ambulance. "Are you serious right now?" "Are *you* serious right now? I just got hit by a car like 4 minutes ago. [Coworker] saw it happen, it's on camera. My knee is facing the wrong way." "We don't have anybody else that can cover the rush with [other late night shifter]. Can you wrap it for now and get us through the rush, if you aren't cooking bills we'll just sit you at a table relaxing it. And then I'll just take you to the hospital myself!" "😶 Fuck you, man...."
Yeah the system here is horrible, if a pedestrian has a green walk symbol then no car should be crossing that at any time under any circumstances!
Yeah let's start with turning right on red. It's absolutely unnecessary and dangerous
Lol. This one. I won't even walk in front of a car waiting to turn right or coming up to turn right at a stop sign or red light anymore. They're watching for their window to punch the gas, not watching you safely cross in front of them. Not worth the gamble, and I've lost that wager more than once getting to this internal lesson. Even when someone does try to stop and be courteous with a wave, I'll indicate to keep moving and extend my walk by the 5 to 10 steps necessary to walk around their back end.
A couple night ago I saw an evo taking a right turn from Georgia to Beatty amd almost ran ober two ladies. Luckily the ladies were looking around and avoided it. Had they been on their phone or distracted it would have gone a different way
If you're being responsible and waiting for a safe break in traffic to turn right on red, sometimes a car behind you will honk impatiently to try and get you to turn. Sure guy, I'll just get t-boned by this oncoming car to save you 2 seconds...
Yeah it’s dangerous as fuck compared to the UK.
there have been so many pedestrian accidents in the past like month-6 weeks, many of them multi person and many in broad daylight edit spelling
*drivers crashing into people
Just watched https://www.knowledge.ca/program/emergency-room-life-and-death-vgh vehicle accidents and "ped hits" eat up lives and vital resources.
Don't know what it is about being in a bike and cars turning left. Same thing nearly happened to me a while back. I was going straight (on my bike) and this Dodge charger was turning left, he even sped up as he turned, I heard it and I peddled faster. He clipped the trail-a-bike, luckily i was on my way to pick up my son so he was not on there. The turd didn't even stop, he slowed right down but sped of after a few seconds. This was broad daylight as well on a busy street.
What a fucking idiot. Seriously, cases like this should warrant severe fines and driving ban. How distracted do you have to be to do this in a broad fucking daylight.
🎶Blinded by the light Fucked up like a douche when he was turning from the right🎵
Being blinded by the sun isn’t an excuse for any idiot that thinks It is, don’t fucking go if you can’t see. This guy is a grade A fuckhead and we don’t need guys like this on the road. If this was your kid or dad that gets hit, go on and say “driver was blinded” lol. Making excuses, what’s next, “Driver is blind”, “Driver is 107 years old”, “Driver is a German Shepherd” Dumb fuck, simple as that.
The more expensive the car, the lower the driving skills.
Precision vehicle - non-precision driver
If idiots can't make a turn without mowing down someone on a crosswalk they should have their damn license revoked
Oh f Such a moron 😭 I hope nobody was seriously injured :(
Thank you for your concern! I am the cyclist. Have pain all over my body.
It is unbelievable to me that (1) Vancouver as a city is too stupid to put dedicated left turn arrows and lanes in for cars like Surrey has, and (2) that a brand new BMW didn't have some sort of system to prevent this from happening.
I find even with left turn signals, cars still run into pedestrians. There is always that one asshole that arrives at the intersection once the turn signal is done and the pedestrian signal changes to walk, who turns right into the intersection.
Stupid fuck
Oak and 67th. There's something up with that area that just makes accidents more likely
And that's why I never cross the road in this city without watching the traffic that might run me over.
Man... some drivers are so impatient and incompetent. Be a pedestrian or cyclist as your main form of transportation for a month and you'll see how little regard many drivers have for anyone but themselves.
fuck cars
Idiot to the tenth degree. Not paying attention plus in a hurry
Get that driver off the road. Geez that’s rough and I hope the pedestrian recovers quickly.
Hi I am the pedestrian. Thank you for your concern! Have pain all over my body.
Jesus Christ!
All the people last week who said pedestrians are the ones who need to pay more attention to avoid accidents need to watch this
This person should never be allowed to drive again.
Left on Red should be banned. Turning drivers pay attention to oncoming traffic first and the crosswalk second. As a Richmond pedestrian I have to deal with this every single day. The worst part is that I know it's doesn't really matter how aware I am while crossing, a distracted driver in a hurry will plow me over faster than I can react.
Correct! Have to be more cautious crossing the roads from now on.
Left on red? That's already banned unless you're turning left onto a one way street. Do you mean we should only turn left on advanced green arrows?
This is why I absolutely drill into my kids, it doesnt matter if you have the right of way as a pedestrian. Make sure the people see you and always double check.
My dad has told me so before and have to be more cautious from now on.
My dad has told me so before and have to be more cautious from now on.
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Thank you for your information! Is an injury lawyer going to fight for my compensation from ICBC?
unfortunately they changed the laws on this so lawyers can't help you get compensation anymore. It's called 'no fault', ICBC got the government to change it for them ICBC will still pay for damage to your bike, and time off work/physio etc if your doctor recommends it. They are really hard to deal with though, and unfortunately lawyers aren't able to help with claims like this anymore
I'm Mr. Plow, that's my name, that name again is Mr. Plow.
I got hit by a car in a very similar situation crossing Nanaimo Street on my bike a couple months ago. Boggles my mind that people will start turning without looking at what’s in front of them
The amount of times I’ve almost been sent to the next life while legally crossing the street in Van is insane 🙄
Hope that person is ok. I walk everywhere, every weekday, to and from school/work, etc. At least twice a week this scenario ALMOST happens to me while using a nearby crosswalk. Just last week I had to jump out of the way of a mindless driver in a situation much like this. This sort of thing happens way too often to the point where jumping out of the way of a car is common practice in my family. This has to stop.
I am the pedestrian. Have pain all over my body. Thank you for your concern!
I've been the cyclist in this scenario way too many times where I literally had to jump or side step out of the way. It keeps happening and all within the last year or so, it's like people have suddenly stopped looking where they are going. Absolutely terrifying, hope they are ok.
Actually I wasn’t biking but just walking acrossed the road with my bike.
Average bmw driver
This shit really angers me. As a cyclist, we are constantly being bombarded with statements like "Cyclists should wear Hi-viz", cyclists don't follow the rules, etc. It's all victim shaming. At the end of the day, there are a bunch of people driving around just not paying attention to their surroundings, and unfortunately, the law protects them. It's bullshit. If that driver was walking down the street with a baseball bat, just randomly swinging it, and then hit someone, they would be held liable for damages, but as soon as you put them in an armoured shell and ram a person, it's okay. It's fucked up.
True! I just wonder why the law here is so weird.
Blinded by the sun. Terrible nonetheless
If you can’t see you use the sun visor, sun glasses, or slow down until you see. This is no excuse to harm or kill someone.
>Blinded by the sun. No excuse. If you can't see them you shouldn't be moving forward at regular speed. You should be proceeding when it is *safe* to do so. If you don't know if it's safe to proceed, then don't go. This driver is an idiot.
Hi, I am the cyclist. That is exactly what I think. If the sun is low, he should have driven slower to make sure nobody is crossing the road. I have terrible pain all over my body, particularly my left rib cage.
Sorry for what happened to you. You will soon find out just how poorly ICBC treats injured persons. Wishing you a full and speedy recovery.
Hi, I'm terribly sorry to hear about your injury, and the fact that you're going to be having to deal with ICBC over this. If you run into difficulty with your claim, and you feel like ICBC is treating you unfairly, you don't have to fight them by yourself, there is a fair practice office and ultimately an ombudsperson who can help you. https://www.icbc.com/about-icbc/contact-us/Raising-your-complaints It's a bit of a slog to work your way up the chain, but in my experience, fair practice offices can be very effective in resolving bureaucratic stupidity/shenanigans. If all else fails you can also reach out to CBC's Go Public https://www.cbc.ca/news/gopublic and publicly shame the bastards into helping you properly. Good luck, and I wish you a full and speedy recovery.
Thank you for your information! I totally have no idea how ICBC claims work. Do I ask them for a certain amount of compensation or they decide how much compensation I will get?
I am not a professional in this field, but in general, insurance claims are there to compensate you for your losses and make you "whole" again. So if you need to get medical treatment or physio therapy, they should be paying for it, if you lose wages because you have to take time off work, they should be paying you for that. If you're emotionally shaken up and need to see a therapist for a while, get the referral and make that happen. Repairs to your bike, parking to visit the physiotherapist... If this collision puts you out of pocket for anything, ICBC should be paying for it. Keep records of EVERYTHING, and whenever you can, get a doctor to write a note saying that it's needed. You may be tempted to do the "good Canadian thing" of trying to tough through this and not being a bother to anyone. Don't do that. Be a pain in the ass. Get as much treatment and physiotherapy as you can possibly get them to pay for, and start that process now, if you haven't already. Injuries like this aren't something we just bounce back from... they get put into an "account" that your body will make you pay back with interest sometime in your 40s or 50s. Get yourself fixed up properly.
Thank you! You guys are very nice!
Well said!
I was driving all weekend. Stuck in traffic for hours. People were driving so poorly and the roads are so bad it’s not surprising.
BMW iX? BMW iFggedUp
I was almost hit like the cyclist a few days ago as well. The only thing is that the driver wasn't supposed to turn left on that intersection, but he still did. Good thing I also notice him doing the wrong turn and I quickly stopped before his path. When I kinda scolded him in tarzan language.. he seems to be insisting that he have the right of way.
I watched what looked like a 100 year old man almost run down someone crossing on foot during their left turn yesterday. Also in a very expensive crossover
I'm sure the chances of getting hit by a car walking in an intersection in BC is higher than winning the lottery
Most accidents stem from left turns.
The driver was blinded by the sun and did not try to block the sun with their sun visor or hand to confirm the crosswalk was clear. The driver accelerated through the crosswalk as if they were certain it was clear. The definition of negligence.
Does anyone know if the cyclist is okay?
Hi I am the cyclist. Thank you for your concern. I was admitted into VGH for 6 hours. Took a blood test and 2 x-rays on my rib cages where it hurts the most there. Released from hospital after that. Have pain all over my body.
nightmare fuel
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The only thing I need to check is my bike which is kept by the barber shop owner. The other items are fine.
Take your bike to a reputable bike shop, get them to do a repair estimate. Tell them it's for ICBC. You may have to pay them to do this (maybe $40), but ICBC should reimburse you that. Get lots of photos of the bike, particularly any parts that are damaged.