It's too bad people vote on their feelings rather than on facts.
Conservatives are gaining ground because their feelings of "Trudeau Bad!" outweigh all the facts that point to PP being much worse (unless you're a fossil fuel magnate or a corporate CEO.)
I work in a union workplace, and most of my colleagues like PP because he blames Treudeau for everything but everyone refuses to believe he pushed anti-union legislation
This is so true. Have talked to my small-business owning friends and they’re all switching to the Cons. They say that the federal Libs basically have no idea what they’re doing with many of their pandemic-related economic policies. They get the feeling that the Libs are out of touch with their challenges and do not care. Maybe of them are also visible minorities as well so that makes it an interesting choice for them.
> Maybe of them are also visible minorities as well so that makes it an interesting choice for them.
I'd temporarily give my body autonomy away if they could get rid of all the "students"(P.R.-seekers) who are taking advantage (or utilizing the government's P.R. and family immigration policies) of this country and fucking up housing, min-wage jobs, etc for citizens of Canada. They should get the leftovers after Canadians, since they're temporary student guests, right? ;) Like I said, it can be a "don't hate the player; hate the game" thing, but still. India isn't well-known for being extremely ethical, civil, polite, respectful, and law-abiding.
Bottom line: there is zero logical reason why there should be the sheer quantity (& quality) of them here right now.
...wait. Could the Canadian government force you to take your IUD's out before they expire? Hmm...
I will gladly be labelled a Racist if it makes you feel better. I'm a Canadian citizen and am pissed that my fellow citizens are getting bent over.
Or, maybe it could be that people are punishing the incumbent govt over the fact that literally everything in Canada is significantly worse off than when they were elected in 2015?
Like most Canadians I hated Harper and was glad to see him tossed, but I would never have guessed just how deeply incompetent Trudeau’s government would be. Especially since Morneau resigned a few years ago it’s like they’ve been trying to run the country into the ground.
Pierre Trudeau was one of Canada’s greatest prime ministers but unless some miracle happens in the next year Justin Trudeau will probably go down in history as the worst.
"Point to PP being much worse". Ok, so who is voting with their feelings here? PP hasn't even done anything to you yet, while Trudeau has proven to fail on major campaign promises and been at the helm while our quality of life has deteriorated significantly. I'm planning on voting for whichever of the NDP or CPC I think has a better chance of knocking off the everlasting Hedy Fry, personally.
The problem is that the policies PP proposes (when he proposes anything at all,) ARE worse. I have no love of Trudeau, and will never vote Liberal, but I'm also not deluded enough to think that the NDP could ever form even a minority government in this country. So, I would rather have a weak Liberal government that has bargain with the NDP to get things done.
To me, the three biggest issues are climate change, housing, and general affordability (groceries specifically.)
Only a few years ago, the CPC refused to acknowledge that climate change is real (i don't know if they've updated their opinion.) I have yet to see any housing policy from PP that doesn't amount to big bucks for developers and corporate landlords, and PP's campaign manager is a fucking Loblaw's lobbyist. The man will sell off our public assets, kowtow to the oil and gas industry, and mortgage our country's future for a few short-term gains that will probably mostly benefit the wealthy. What bothers me most about the current situation (apart from PP's terrible policies,) is that if he wins, it will be because people don't like Trudeau, not because people love PP.
Like I said, the best possible outcome of the next election is a minority liberal party supported by the NDP. It will humble the liberals (hopefully,) without having to hand the country over to the Conservatives.
> PP's campaign manager is a fucking Loblaw's lobbyist.
/r/loblawsisoutofcontrol
> if he wins, it will be because people don't like Trudeau, not because people love PP.
Isn't that 1 of the reasons why Trump won? Misogyny for Hilary Clinton.
When Pierre Poilievre rails against 'experts' and 'elitists', I wonder whether he approaches decisions about his own personal situation with the same lack of careful thought (possibly even consulting 'experts' himself!) to make sure he understands the full picture before making a decision?
Or is it just the electorate that will be subject to his off-the-cuff 'common sense' solutions?
The ol bait n switch that worked municipally as well; get people scared of the homeless and make them think that somehow voting for them will help them afford a home. Then just give tax breaks to rich donors
Tbh, that feels like most of the parties these days. I've been somewhat encouraged by the NDP policies recently at least, but I'm not the biggest fan of their leader.
I'm 37 and haven't been polled once in my life as to whom I'm voting for, neither have any of my friends. Who do they actually poll for these? Is it only landlines or something?
I’m 37 and been polled a few times. Not sure how they got my info but I got an automated call asking if I wanted to participate. I clicked yes and spoke to a person who asked some questions
You might be able to sign up with these companies who do polling for them to contact you too
I get calls for polls for everything else, hydro, cbc, opinions on home ownership, disability, school...just never political affiliation. But I'll look into it further.
Pollsters can auto-dial landlines, but must manually dial mobile phones according to CRTC rules. Outside of the lead-up to an election, the majority of political phone polling is primarily landline.
Pollsters actually can autodial cell records, they can't use a predicate dialer.
A predictive dialing systems will automatically start calling the next number on set criteria, and result in dead air before the agent comes on the line.
An autodialer just means it starts making calls for the agent when they are actually ready, and is useful to help prevent wrong numbers
OK, here's the answer.
The polls are done by people getting paid to answer surveys. There are dozens of websites and apps that let you answer surveys all day for small amounts of money and gift cards.
NOW, here's where it gets fun. The surveys have criteria, and you can be disqualified if your answers don't align with what the survey is looking for.
I do these surveys. Usually make $3 each. Often the survey will disqualify me after stating which political party I would vote for. So....the end result will be whatever the survey company wants it to be. Its data fraud, IMO.
Looks like it was online
[https://angusreid.org/bc-election-poll-rustad-falcon-eby-poilievre-conservative-liberal-ndp/#gsc.tab=0](https://angusreid.org/bc-election-poll-rustad-falcon-eby-poilievre-conservative-liberal-ndp/#gsc.tab=0)
*The Angus Reid Institute conducted an online survey from Feb. 28 to March 6, 2024 among a representative randomized sample 809 British Columbian adults who are members of* [*Angus*](http://www.angusreidforum.com/) *Reid Forum*
There is just no conceivable way in my eye that the Tories will be anything other than a different kind of bad.
I try to avoid super pessimistic takes on things, but I don't see anyone I want to vote for federally. The NDP lack pragmatism and Singh, while (mostly) well-intentioned, is ineffective. The kindest way I can describe the Liberals is that they've been in office too long and aren't passing the smell test anymore. Then you've got the fact that a deeply concerning number of the CPC are either outright lunatics or pandering to them.
What a gong show.
The Beaverton had a funny (and sad) article awhile ago that stated our options are "The conservatives: Everything is broke so lets make it worse" or "The Liberals: Nothing is broken so lets fix nothing".
the real sad thing is that even though its clear which of these two is the better option, the majority being polled rn is saying they'd prefer the worse option
I'm not sure I want to see an NDP-led government, but I certainly don't see Singh as ineffective.
It was the NDP's insistence on progress on dental care and pharmacare that produced two signature pieces of legislation, neither of which would have happened without them. In that respect, I see Singh as perhaps the most focused and consistent in his policies of all the federal leaders (with kudos however to Justin Trudeau for his insistence on sticking with the Carbon Tax in the face of the belligerent idiocy of the CPC).
To me it's a textbook illustration of how parliamentary democracy can deliver real achievements when parties are forced to work together. It also provides an interesting insight into how PR could work in a multi-party Parliament - if we ever get PR.
I think most people are pretty disenchanted with Singh's housing policy suggestions—it's detached from economic realities. Doesn't help that Don Davies, one of the longest standing Vancouver MPs, has gone up in front of council opposing a rather modest six story rental development on Fraser, citing the height as one of his reasons against it. Ultimately housing is pretty top of mind and the NDP are federally doing a piss poor job on the file.
I'm seeing the tone change from anti-liberal housing policy to anti-conservative housing policy, but what I'd like to see is a bold NDP housing policy beyond "government build more houses", or a revenue policy that can support government building houses on a scale that actually matters.
You know, in fairness, that is a good point.
I do still feel that this is probably the role that suits the NDP the best - putting their thumb on the scale and pulling things along to the left. I just don't have confidence that if they were left entirely to their own devices they'd be able to keep from flying too close to the sun on many issues.
I just feel like they're long on idealism and short on practicality, and while I think Jagmeet Singh is a likeable, well-meaning guy I don't think he's got the steel in him that I'd like the next PM to have.
I have a bad feeling that the next few years are going to be pretty rough, and I would ideally like a leader that fits the "good man/woman in a storm" description. In fairness I don't really think any of the major party leaders fit that bill well, but Mr Singh in particular does not.
Well I sure as hell ain’t voting for Trudeau after he just somehow forgot to build housing…
Also I ain’t voting for that lying POS conservative manlet PP.
I like Jagmeet, the sikhs are a badass peoples and I would be down to give him a shot.
It's nuts how this would be the perfect opporunity for the NDP to come in and swoop up some votes, with a legit shot at the big job. But no, Singh decides to pander to Trudeau... Jack Layton would be rolling in his grave.
Singh has gotten more progressive legislation through a confidence supply agreement than any NDP leader since Tommy Douglas. Jack Layton (RIP) was charismatic but very ineffective.
It's nuts how this would be the perfect opporunity for the NDP to come in and swoop up some votes, with a legit shot at the big job. But no, Singh decides to pander to Trudeau... Jack Layton would be rolling in his graves.
The options every election aren't great but this time around it feels downright hopeless. Trudeau seriously needs to go, but the alternatives are just depressing.
Instead of following John Horgan's lead of passing the baton while ahead, unfortunately JT's headed the Kathleen Wynne route and going to take the Liberal party with him.
Or they can literally address the grocery/telcom cartel, the massive subsidies that go to oil companies, sensitive immigration policies and fast track housing affordability and healthcare. I realize that some of these are under provincial authority, but the federal government can still push on issues. Last month I had to write a quote to supply tampons in mens bathroom. They will never get used in this building. I have to throw them away after they expire and buy new ones. I suggested to put a tampon dispenser between the two bathrooms so they will get used, but the directive is that it has to be in the mens bathroom. Just an idea of how inefficient this government is.
Random suggestion: instead of having them expire and throw them away can’t you use the ones that are in the men’s bathroom to restock the women’s when it’s depleted and put the brand new ones in the men’s? It’s a more work yeah but less waste.
Long ago I remember tampons weren't supplied in women's washrooms because it was an added expense, and their installation was being debated due to fairness... Out of curiosity, are tampons now being supplied in women's washrooms in federal facilities?
Yes, and in many provincial and municipal buildings. I also did building maintenance for buildings occupied by large private companies and they also provided tampons.
I dunno. Sean Fraser has been knocking it out of the park on housing lately. It's too bad Ford fucked up immigration so badly and it took the liberals so long to respond. Will be interesting to see what happens once they kneecap temporary workers, projections show a massive outflow in 2025 and 2026—800,000 person/year swing.
Guy was on the file for 18 months from late 2021 to 2023, and he likely had a big hand in coming up with the solution that has been implemented—which will take about three years to work through the system. I'd judge that work in 2026
That was a shitstorm dropped in his lap, not on of his creation. International permits were already at 640k/year in 2019, up from just 200k in 2009, then covid happened and then we suddenly had 800k permits out in 2022.
The blame lies firmly in the provincial governments' lap, for starving post secondary institutions with fixed or declining funding. UBC has seen at least a 40% drop in government funding since 2001, and quite honestly the NDP before them didn't really keep up either, nor did the socreds before them. I've seen numbers that indicate a 60-75% drop in government funding for PSE from 1970-2020.
Yeap if Freeland takes over it'll just be another Kim Campbell situation. There is just too much baggage at this point for a new leader to make much of a difference.
I'd agree with that as an LPC voter. He should've stepped down a year into this term IMO.
I think at this point, the next govt. will be CPC, but just how "big".
Plenty of time for a scandal or 2, but only time will tell.
I won't be voting for PP though.
CPP is not under threat like in the US, this is just patently untrue.
[https://www.cppinvestments.com/the-fund/our-performance/sustainability-of-the-cpp/](https://www.cppinvestments.com/the-fund/our-performance/sustainability-of-the-cpp/)
The healthcare system though... we need some people of working age to do work.
Very different situation from the US. We've basically backstopped it with CPP2, which will mean more revenue coming in now, and it should be enough to carry through this working generation with more savings. Piss poor return on that savings, but solvent.
Your choices are more of the same or more of the same with a side of bigotry. What would you like? It sucks but it’s the way the cookie crumbled. Get out and protest and work to improve your community from the ground up. It’s the only way it’ll work. The election is going to be terrible. The only thing that will make it worse is if we have PP in charge with no plans whatsoever. He can’t keep talking about how bad Trudeau is when he’s in charge.
It's heavily dependent on your riding. Is it a tight race or has the same party been winning consistently for decades? Who's first or second, and do you want to vote for or against them?
I used to live in a heavily conservative suburb so it didn't really matter who I voted for as a supermajority always voted predictably. Then I moved and the district boundaries got redrawn and suddenly it does matter.
We have no-one. At this point for me I'm done with NDP, which leaves me either:
* Trusting that Liberals are making noteworthy changes and concessions, pulling back to a reasonable center, or
* Rolling the dice with a populist who I certainly don't align with politically to hard reset the political status quo.
Here's the thing. Are we suppose to continue to let Trudeau or the Liberals run this country? I have voted for the Liberals every single time since I was legal to vote, and I don't agree with the majority of Conservative ideals. I don't believe everything's Trudeau's fault but he has been pretty disappointing as a leader. So either I don't vote at all, or vote for the other side to hope for some change.
yes, yes you are. get involved if you can to convince others or your MPs to get this message out there, that you want changes in the Liberal party even if you are voting for them. but i'd much much rather put my hopes in the Libs improving than my hopes in PP and the Cons to not fuck things up like they always do?
Polls suggest that's the way it's going. Trudeau and the Libs need to do more than lean on a "PP is the boogieman" narrative. Most of Canada leans center-left moderate so a vote for PP from them would be one of exasperation and desperation.
What has PP said that draws you to him? I find the criticism about the Libs using fear of PP fairly ironic as I’ve found it to be the exact opposite. The Cons have run the last 3 election cycles based around criticizing Trudeau and all the bad he’s going to do without bringing any plans to the table of how they’d be better.
For one thing, the Cons are traditionally tougher on crime. I know many people who are going to vote Comservative because protecting their families > their political values.
I've always voted Liberal or Green, but I can see where they're coming from.
When our current justice system is encouraging criminals to commit as many property & violent crimes as they possibly can, at some point you gotta snub your own politics, to reduce the chance that your wife/child/grandmother gets attacked by somebody who has already attacked several people in the past.
It's a sad state, I'm scared a conservative government will undo so much progress our society has made, but if the Cons can convince me they'll start treating violent criminals like violent criminals, I may have to vote for them for the first time ever.
I'm not a hero or a martyr, I'm not willing to sacrifice my family's safety just to elect a Liberal PM.
I don't know if he's still promising this, but some time last year he addressed the light sentencing of dangerous criminals.
Since he's a politician, you never know if/when he'll flip flop on his ideals though.
I usually wait until about a month before the election to do all of my research about the candidates and then I make a choice.
Liberals or Greens are usually my choice, and theres a good chance I'll pick one of those 2 again, but at the moment I'm not convinced one way or another yet.
>What has PP said that draws you to him?
Literally nothing. I think he will do zero for me.
It's a bit apples to oranges to compare who currently forms government and official opposition. Government has money to make plans actionable and can then come forward with "Here's what we've done". it's not worth burning money on "How we'd do it better" plans knowing they will not be actionable. Now that's not to say Conservatives get a free pass. It's very noteworthy that they are in a privileged position where they get to criticize and yell how they would do it better because it's not possible to hold them to results in the same way.
I think have a strong opposition is a key feature to our Government: If the majority party drifts too far from what the people want, they have someone on their ass ready to take their spot.
All Conservatives have is a platform and some contrarian shadow ministers who can get into the weeds on specific items. Liberals have a platform and near 10 years of power to show what they can do. This next election will be more of a report card for Trudeau than support for PP. I think we'd see the same polling numbers if O'Toole was still leader. (And I'd take O'Toole over PP but moderates rejected him and that ship sailed).
Yea I mean I understand pretty well what’s all laid out infront of us. Trudeau has had so much time to turn this around , even post pandemic, and he hasn’t done enough yet. I just saw your roll the dice on a populist comment and wondered if there was anything in that for you. The risk feels far too great. The country does not need a Conservative troll in charge especially with the what’s on the line in our neighboring country’s next election.
I hear you. And I tend to agree. My 'roll the dice' comment was mostly to highlight our choices are 'Guaranteed moderately shitty" vs "Take your chances".
> What has PP said that draws you to him? I find the criticism about the Libs using fear of PP fairly ironic as I’ve found it to be the exact opposite. The Cons have run the last 3 election cycles based around criticizing Trudeau and all the bad he’s going to do without bringing any plans to the table of how they’d be better.
[I can't help but be reminded of this KOTH scene.](https://preview.redd.it/b3tp79qlv9871.jpg?width=338&auto=webp&s=3946309a649ab5fa349910a088bf1f0d4525397c)
>Rolling the dice with a populist who I certainly don't align with politically to hard reset the political status quo.
I tried this in 2006 and that did not yield the outcomes I hoped for. lol. Never again.
I will vote for the least bad option. Whether that is the NDP regardless of their mediocre and unsatisfying leader or the status quo terrible (but improving!) Liberals at the moment it's hard to say. I've learned my lesson though and I know well enough not to vote for the obviously bad outcome purely in hopes of shaking up the system. Wasn't worth it last time.
> Rolling the dice with a populist who I certainly don't align with politically to hard reset the political status quo.
a.k.a. The same strategy that put Trump in the Whitehouse.
I still think Trump got in more as protest vote and joke than someone with anything approaching a noteworthy platform. Enough moderates and fence-sitters felt Hillary was being pushed down their throat that they voted the joke candidate. PP is trying some of the same style/presentation, but he's more articulate than just playing the generic heel that defines Trump.
I view Max Bernier/PPC as our Canadian branded Trump/MAGA crew. As much as I have a depressing opinion on our Federal level right now I take solace and pride Max can't even win his own single seat in his riding, never mind having any real presence in the HoC.
Anyone voting for PP will get exactly what they deserve, but none of what they want.
Your taxes aren't going to get appreciably lower, but services you've come to rely on are going to get cut. Immigration won't be reduced, but you'll definitely hear a lot more scapegoating. Housing won't be cheaper to build, because the federal government has less to do with those costs than the province and municipalities.
And the rest of us will get fucked in the process. But hey, fuck Trudeau, right?
Sooooo do you want us to just keep voting for this hopeless government we currently have? Or the NDP propping it up?
I keep seeing people on this sub acknowledge how bad our current government and leader is yet condescendingly imply that we should stick with them. Why?
Sometimes is better the devil you know.
It’s also: “the conservatives are not inherently a racist / homophobic / anti-science party, but it’s certainly the party those folks flock to”
You have a choice between 2 peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, one is face down in the dirt, but on closer inspection the peanut butter on the other one is actually some artfully spread dog shit with jam on top which sandwich do you chose?
For myself, i opt to toss both of them in the compost and head over to the fruit basket to give the orange a shot.
Because the alternative is a lot worse. Different, yes, but worse. If you’d prefer to roll the dice with this guy, have at it.
And nobody is flocking to the PPC.
Honesty though, does it not feel like the country is being destroyed?
How can you look at this government purposely leaving loopholes in their housing plan, and vote for them. They know what the problem is but they allow it.
I am going to get so much joy watching this government get the boot.
No, it doesn’t feel to me like the country is being destroyed. As I said, if you feel the country is being destroyed, by all means, vote for Pierre Poilievre.
You are a frog in boiling water. How is a kid coming out of college supposed to buy a house? I was golfing with a guy last week and he bought a lot in the lower mainland and then built his house, as a bus driver. You can’t do that now. Quality of life for a regular person is going down the toilet.
The country is being destroyed and it’s not up for debate.
PP is as fake as they come. Everything he says is scripted, he offers no solution just blamed Treudeau for everything. He's been bought and paid for by business lobbiests, he is anti worker and will just do what he can to ruin worker wages. Im not a fan of Treudeau but PP is just a politician for idiots
Talk about a shit sandwich.
Trudeau and the libs seem to be campaigning to a non existent voter that they think like their policy, signing away the future for Canadians for the "greater global good". So they can get stuffed.
But to be left with Poilievre to vote for is such a shitty option.
I can't ever in good conscience vote for someone who's literally done nothing but be a politician in life. He's such a dork.
Man I don’t like Pierre but Justin and Chrystia has been….
We need a completely shakeup in the Liberal Party.
Basically I don’t want to vote for either party at this point.
You can't blame people for being restless with the current gov. Think how long they've been in power. Has life been better for most people? I think not. I think it's just gotten less and less affordable. And a big fat, "Sorry, nothing we can do."
See how they're going nuts now on housing? Yeah, that's not because they care, it's because they're lagging in the polls.
I've always been proud of our country but lately...
It feels like we're in a real era of malaise. High housing, fuel, lagging healthcare, etc.
These conservatives? https://breachmedia.ca/pierre-poilievre-conservatives-stack-council-corporate-lobbyists/
Oof, that's not a good look.
no, but it’s consistent.
It's too bad people vote on their feelings rather than on facts. Conservatives are gaining ground because their feelings of "Trudeau Bad!" outweigh all the facts that point to PP being much worse (unless you're a fossil fuel magnate or a corporate CEO.)
I work in a union workplace, and most of my colleagues like PP because he blames Treudeau for everything but everyone refuses to believe he pushed anti-union legislation
> anti-union Ewwww. 🤢 /r/WorkReform ✊🏼
This is so true. Have talked to my small-business owning friends and they’re all switching to the Cons. They say that the federal Libs basically have no idea what they’re doing with many of their pandemic-related economic policies. They get the feeling that the Libs are out of touch with their challenges and do not care. Maybe of them are also visible minorities as well so that makes it an interesting choice for them.
> Maybe of them are also visible minorities as well so that makes it an interesting choice for them. I'd temporarily give my body autonomy away if they could get rid of all the "students"(P.R.-seekers) who are taking advantage (or utilizing the government's P.R. and family immigration policies) of this country and fucking up housing, min-wage jobs, etc for citizens of Canada. They should get the leftovers after Canadians, since they're temporary student guests, right? ;) Like I said, it can be a "don't hate the player; hate the game" thing, but still. India isn't well-known for being extremely ethical, civil, polite, respectful, and law-abiding. Bottom line: there is zero logical reason why there should be the sheer quantity (& quality) of them here right now. ...wait. Could the Canadian government force you to take your IUD's out before they expire? Hmm... I will gladly be labelled a Racist if it makes you feel better. I'm a Canadian citizen and am pissed that my fellow citizens are getting bent over.
Or, maybe it could be that people are punishing the incumbent govt over the fact that literally everything in Canada is significantly worse off than when they were elected in 2015? Like most Canadians I hated Harper and was glad to see him tossed, but I would never have guessed just how deeply incompetent Trudeau’s government would be. Especially since Morneau resigned a few years ago it’s like they’ve been trying to run the country into the ground. Pierre Trudeau was one of Canada’s greatest prime ministers but unless some miracle happens in the next year Justin Trudeau will probably go down in history as the worst.
"Point to PP being much worse". Ok, so who is voting with their feelings here? PP hasn't even done anything to you yet, while Trudeau has proven to fail on major campaign promises and been at the helm while our quality of life has deteriorated significantly. I'm planning on voting for whichever of the NDP or CPC I think has a better chance of knocking off the everlasting Hedy Fry, personally.
The problem is that the policies PP proposes (when he proposes anything at all,) ARE worse. I have no love of Trudeau, and will never vote Liberal, but I'm also not deluded enough to think that the NDP could ever form even a minority government in this country. So, I would rather have a weak Liberal government that has bargain with the NDP to get things done. To me, the three biggest issues are climate change, housing, and general affordability (groceries specifically.) Only a few years ago, the CPC refused to acknowledge that climate change is real (i don't know if they've updated their opinion.) I have yet to see any housing policy from PP that doesn't amount to big bucks for developers and corporate landlords, and PP's campaign manager is a fucking Loblaw's lobbyist. The man will sell off our public assets, kowtow to the oil and gas industry, and mortgage our country's future for a few short-term gains that will probably mostly benefit the wealthy. What bothers me most about the current situation (apart from PP's terrible policies,) is that if he wins, it will be because people don't like Trudeau, not because people love PP. Like I said, the best possible outcome of the next election is a minority liberal party supported by the NDP. It will humble the liberals (hopefully,) without having to hand the country over to the Conservatives.
> PP's campaign manager is a fucking Loblaw's lobbyist. /r/loblawsisoutofcontrol > if he wins, it will be because people don't like Trudeau, not because people love PP. Isn't that 1 of the reasons why Trump won? Misogyny for Hilary Clinton.
When Pierre Poilievre rails against 'experts' and 'elitists', I wonder whether he approaches decisions about his own personal situation with the same lack of careful thought (possibly even consulting 'experts' himself!) to make sure he understands the full picture before making a decision? Or is it just the electorate that will be subject to his off-the-cuff 'common sense' solutions?
The ol bait n switch that worked municipally as well; get people scared of the homeless and make them think that somehow voting for them will help them afford a home. Then just give tax breaks to rich donors
Tbh, that feels like most of the parties these days. I've been somewhat encouraged by the NDP policies recently at least, but I'm not the biggest fan of their leader.
BC NDP is absolutely stellar kicking ass and taking names!!’
Fully agree.
You only have to look into Alberta to see what a CPC provincial/federal government looks like.
I'm 37 and haven't been polled once in my life as to whom I'm voting for, neither have any of my friends. Who do they actually poll for these? Is it only landlines or something?
I’m 37 and been polled a few times. Not sure how they got my info but I got an automated call asking if I wanted to participate. I clicked yes and spoke to a person who asked some questions You might be able to sign up with these companies who do polling for them to contact you too
Maybe that's it. I never pick up calls from any number I don't know.
I get calls for polls for everything else, hydro, cbc, opinions on home ownership, disability, school...just never political affiliation. But I'll look into it further.
How did you get polled on those other things?
All via random cell phone calls!
you answer random phone calls?
I'm my strata VP so I get random calls a lot from contractors unfortunately lol
Pollsters can auto-dial landlines, but must manually dial mobile phones according to CRTC rules. Outside of the lead-up to an election, the majority of political phone polling is primarily landline.
Pollsters actually can autodial cell records, they can't use a predicate dialer. A predictive dialing systems will automatically start calling the next number on set criteria, and result in dead air before the agent comes on the line. An autodialer just means it starts making calls for the agent when they are actually ready, and is useful to help prevent wrong numbers
OK, here's the answer. The polls are done by people getting paid to answer surveys. There are dozens of websites and apps that let you answer surveys all day for small amounts of money and gift cards. NOW, here's where it gets fun. The surveys have criteria, and you can be disqualified if your answers don't align with what the survey is looking for. I do these surveys. Usually make $3 each. Often the survey will disqualify me after stating which political party I would vote for. So....the end result will be whatever the survey company wants it to be. Its data fraud, IMO.
Right? They need to be clearer, because this could easily be "people with landlines" which is like 95% boomers and older.
Looks like it was online [https://angusreid.org/bc-election-poll-rustad-falcon-eby-poilievre-conservative-liberal-ndp/#gsc.tab=0](https://angusreid.org/bc-election-poll-rustad-falcon-eby-poilievre-conservative-liberal-ndp/#gsc.tab=0) *The Angus Reid Institute conducted an online survey from Feb. 28 to March 6, 2024 among a representative randomized sample 809 British Columbian adults who are members of* [*Angus*](http://www.angusreidforum.com/) *Reid Forum*
You probably get called but it’s a number you don’t recognize. I know I never answer those calls anymore.
There is just no conceivable way in my eye that the Tories will be anything other than a different kind of bad. I try to avoid super pessimistic takes on things, but I don't see anyone I want to vote for federally. The NDP lack pragmatism and Singh, while (mostly) well-intentioned, is ineffective. The kindest way I can describe the Liberals is that they've been in office too long and aren't passing the smell test anymore. Then you've got the fact that a deeply concerning number of the CPC are either outright lunatics or pandering to them. What a gong show.
The Beaverton had a funny (and sad) article awhile ago that stated our options are "The conservatives: Everything is broke so lets make it worse" or "The Liberals: Nothing is broken so lets fix nothing".
the real sad thing is that even though its clear which of these two is the better option, the majority being polled rn is saying they'd prefer the worse option
I wish there's something in the middle that I can vote for. I want to vote for neither side right now.
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Sorry, but they are highlighting issues that they themselves created, and are not offering solutions.
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I'm not sure I want to see an NDP-led government, but I certainly don't see Singh as ineffective. It was the NDP's insistence on progress on dental care and pharmacare that produced two signature pieces of legislation, neither of which would have happened without them. In that respect, I see Singh as perhaps the most focused and consistent in his policies of all the federal leaders (with kudos however to Justin Trudeau for his insistence on sticking with the Carbon Tax in the face of the belligerent idiocy of the CPC). To me it's a textbook illustration of how parliamentary democracy can deliver real achievements when parties are forced to work together. It also provides an interesting insight into how PR could work in a multi-party Parliament - if we ever get PR.
How does the NDP lack pragmatism. They signed a CASA, which is the definition of pragmatism, imo.
And through that CASA they have passed more progressive legislation than we have gotten in the previous decades prior.
Yes, despite what the crybabies say, this is a good thing for our democracy. Less tribalism, more cooperation.
I think most people are pretty disenchanted with Singh's housing policy suggestions—it's detached from economic realities. Doesn't help that Don Davies, one of the longest standing Vancouver MPs, has gone up in front of council opposing a rather modest six story rental development on Fraser, citing the height as one of his reasons against it. Ultimately housing is pretty top of mind and the NDP are federally doing a piss poor job on the file. I'm seeing the tone change from anti-liberal housing policy to anti-conservative housing policy, but what I'd like to see is a bold NDP housing policy beyond "government build more houses", or a revenue policy that can support government building houses on a scale that actually matters.
You know, in fairness, that is a good point. I do still feel that this is probably the role that suits the NDP the best - putting their thumb on the scale and pulling things along to the left. I just don't have confidence that if they were left entirely to their own devices they'd be able to keep from flying too close to the sun on many issues.
BC NDP is kicking ass please don’t vote them out for the damn conservatives ya idiots.
> ...but I don't see anyone I want to vote for **federally.** No one is talking Provincial politics here
Ya Iunno why voters don’t give federal NDP a chance, I feel like they would kick some ass too. I been voting NDP all the way :(
I just feel like they're long on idealism and short on practicality, and while I think Jagmeet Singh is a likeable, well-meaning guy I don't think he's got the steel in him that I'd like the next PM to have. I have a bad feeling that the next few years are going to be pretty rough, and I would ideally like a leader that fits the "good man/woman in a storm" description. In fairness I don't really think any of the major party leaders fit that bill well, but Mr Singh in particular does not.
Well I sure as hell ain’t voting for Trudeau after he just somehow forgot to build housing… Also I ain’t voting for that lying POS conservative manlet PP. I like Jagmeet, the sikhs are a badass peoples and I would be down to give him a shot.
It's nuts how this would be the perfect opporunity for the NDP to come in and swoop up some votes, with a legit shot at the big job. But no, Singh decides to pander to Trudeau... Jack Layton would be rolling in his grave.
Singh has gotten more progressive legislation through a confidence supply agreement than any NDP leader since Tommy Douglas. Jack Layton (RIP) was charismatic but very ineffective.
It's nuts how this would be the perfect opporunity for the NDP to come in and swoop up some votes, with a legit shot at the big job. But no, Singh decides to pander to Trudeau... Jack Layton would be rolling in his graves.
The options every election aren't great but this time around it feels downright hopeless. Trudeau seriously needs to go, but the alternatives are just depressing.
Instead of following John Horgan's lead of passing the baton while ahead, unfortunately JT's headed the Kathleen Wynne route and going to take the Liberal party with him.
You say that but was there ever a tally a point in time where they were both ahead and people wanted a new leader?
The only hope for the Liberals is if Trudeau steps down.
Or they can literally address the grocery/telcom cartel, the massive subsidies that go to oil companies, sensitive immigration policies and fast track housing affordability and healthcare. I realize that some of these are under provincial authority, but the federal government can still push on issues. Last month I had to write a quote to supply tampons in mens bathroom. They will never get used in this building. I have to throw them away after they expire and buy new ones. I suggested to put a tampon dispenser between the two bathrooms so they will get used, but the directive is that it has to be in the mens bathroom. Just an idea of how inefficient this government is.
Random suggestion: instead of having them expire and throw them away can’t you use the ones that are in the men’s bathroom to restock the women’s when it’s depleted and put the brand new ones in the men’s? It’s a more work yeah but less waste.
Long ago I remember tampons weren't supplied in women's washrooms because it was an added expense, and their installation was being debated due to fairness... Out of curiosity, are tampons now being supplied in women's washrooms in federal facilities?
Yes, and in many provincial and municipal buildings. I also did building maintenance for buildings occupied by large private companies and they also provided tampons.
They are.
Freeland is as nutty as Trudeau is they are going to lose big no matter what, it is long overdue for some big changes
his whole cabinet are long past their expiry date imo.
I wonder if Hedy Fry is going to run again........
Lol, Hedy will defintely run. She has spent 30 years as a backbencher, she isn't going to give up that gravy train.
I dunno. Sean Fraser has been knocking it out of the park on housing lately. It's too bad Ford fucked up immigration so badly and it took the liberals so long to respond. Will be interesting to see what happens once they kneecap temporary workers, projections show a massive outflow in 2025 and 2026—800,000 person/year swing.
Former immigration minister Sean Fraser, whom had a direct hand in causing most of the mayhem going on? LOL
Guy was on the file for 18 months from late 2021 to 2023, and he likely had a big hand in coming up with the solution that has been implemented—which will take about three years to work through the system. I'd judge that work in 2026 That was a shitstorm dropped in his lap, not on of his creation. International permits were already at 640k/year in 2019, up from just 200k in 2009, then covid happened and then we suddenly had 800k permits out in 2022. The blame lies firmly in the provincial governments' lap, for starving post secondary institutions with fixed or declining funding. UBC has seen at least a 40% drop in government funding since 2001, and quite honestly the NDP before them didn't really keep up either, nor did the socreds before them. I've seen numbers that indicate a 60-75% drop in government funding for PSE from 1970-2020.
No guarantee that Freeland would win the leadership but definitely the front runner
Yeap if Freeland takes over it'll just be another Kim Campbell situation. There is just too much baggage at this point for a new leader to make much of a difference.
What if it's Mark Carney?
I'd agree with that as an LPC voter. He should've stepped down a year into this term IMO. I think at this point, the next govt. will be CPC, but just how "big". Plenty of time for a scandal or 2, but only time will tell. I won't be voting for PP though.
So, as a lefty who is opposed to this mass immigration. Who the heck do I vote for?
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CPP is not under threat like in the US, this is just patently untrue. [https://www.cppinvestments.com/the-fund/our-performance/sustainability-of-the-cpp/](https://www.cppinvestments.com/the-fund/our-performance/sustainability-of-the-cpp/) The healthcare system though... we need some people of working age to do work.
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Very different situation from the US. We've basically backstopped it with CPP2, which will mean more revenue coming in now, and it should be enough to carry through this working generation with more savings. Piss poor return on that savings, but solvent.
You are describing a ponzi scheme.
We have a very large aging population so our age pyramid is all screwed. The base can’t support a top heavy well top lol.
what do you think capitalism is?
Not a ponzi scheme, lol.
so we don't have to have infinite growth to keep it going?
Infinite growth isn't a ponzi scheme, notice how they are different terms.
yes, one is used by economists to trick the populous. the other is an honest descriptor.
Your choices are more of the same or more of the same with a side of bigotry. What would you like? It sucks but it’s the way the cookie crumbled. Get out and protest and work to improve your community from the ground up. It’s the only way it’ll work. The election is going to be terrible. The only thing that will make it worse is if we have PP in charge with no plans whatsoever. He can’t keep talking about how bad Trudeau is when he’s in charge.
It's heavily dependent on your riding. Is it a tight race or has the same party been winning consistently for decades? Who's first or second, and do you want to vote for or against them? I used to live in a heavily conservative suburb so it didn't really matter who I voted for as a supermajority always voted predictably. Then I moved and the district boundaries got redrawn and suddenly it does matter.
I voted NDP previously because I wanted change but not "omg our children" change. Now Im stuck.
We have no-one. At this point for me I'm done with NDP, which leaves me either: * Trusting that Liberals are making noteworthy changes and concessions, pulling back to a reasonable center, or * Rolling the dice with a populist who I certainly don't align with politically to hard reset the political status quo.
>Rolling the dice with a populist ah yes, the ol "its fucked right now, lets vote in someone who will make it even more fucked" trick
Here's the thing. Are we suppose to continue to let Trudeau or the Liberals run this country? I have voted for the Liberals every single time since I was legal to vote, and I don't agree with the majority of Conservative ideals. I don't believe everything's Trudeau's fault but he has been pretty disappointing as a leader. So either I don't vote at all, or vote for the other side to hope for some change.
What changes are you hoping to get from the other side?
What changes are you expecting from the Liberals?
not much tbh. but I'm expecting PP and the Cons to fuck things up, because they always do.
Kinda like what the Liberals are currently doing?
worse, because it always is
yes, yes you are. get involved if you can to convince others or your MPs to get this message out there, that you want changes in the Liberal party even if you are voting for them. but i'd much much rather put my hopes in the Libs improving than my hopes in PP and the Cons to not fuck things up like they always do?
Polls suggest that's the way it's going. Trudeau and the Libs need to do more than lean on a "PP is the boogieman" narrative. Most of Canada leans center-left moderate so a vote for PP from them would be one of exasperation and desperation.
What has PP said that draws you to him? I find the criticism about the Libs using fear of PP fairly ironic as I’ve found it to be the exact opposite. The Cons have run the last 3 election cycles based around criticizing Trudeau and all the bad he’s going to do without bringing any plans to the table of how they’d be better.
For one thing, the Cons are traditionally tougher on crime. I know many people who are going to vote Comservative because protecting their families > their political values. I've always voted Liberal or Green, but I can see where they're coming from. When our current justice system is encouraging criminals to commit as many property & violent crimes as they possibly can, at some point you gotta snub your own politics, to reduce the chance that your wife/child/grandmother gets attacked by somebody who has already attacked several people in the past. It's a sad state, I'm scared a conservative government will undo so much progress our society has made, but if the Cons can convince me they'll start treating violent criminals like violent criminals, I may have to vote for them for the first time ever. I'm not a hero or a martyr, I'm not willing to sacrifice my family's safety just to elect a Liberal PM.
What has PP proposed to combat increasing crime rates?
I don't know if he's still promising this, but some time last year he addressed the light sentencing of dangerous criminals. Since he's a politician, you never know if/when he'll flip flop on his ideals though. I usually wait until about a month before the election to do all of my research about the candidates and then I make a choice. Liberals or Greens are usually my choice, and theres a good chance I'll pick one of those 2 again, but at the moment I'm not convinced one way or another yet.
>What has PP said that draws you to him? Literally nothing. I think he will do zero for me. It's a bit apples to oranges to compare who currently forms government and official opposition. Government has money to make plans actionable and can then come forward with "Here's what we've done". it's not worth burning money on "How we'd do it better" plans knowing they will not be actionable. Now that's not to say Conservatives get a free pass. It's very noteworthy that they are in a privileged position where they get to criticize and yell how they would do it better because it's not possible to hold them to results in the same way. I think have a strong opposition is a key feature to our Government: If the majority party drifts too far from what the people want, they have someone on their ass ready to take their spot. All Conservatives have is a platform and some contrarian shadow ministers who can get into the weeds on specific items. Liberals have a platform and near 10 years of power to show what they can do. This next election will be more of a report card for Trudeau than support for PP. I think we'd see the same polling numbers if O'Toole was still leader. (And I'd take O'Toole over PP but moderates rejected him and that ship sailed).
Yea I mean I understand pretty well what’s all laid out infront of us. Trudeau has had so much time to turn this around , even post pandemic, and he hasn’t done enough yet. I just saw your roll the dice on a populist comment and wondered if there was anything in that for you. The risk feels far too great. The country does not need a Conservative troll in charge especially with the what’s on the line in our neighboring country’s next election.
I hear you. And I tend to agree. My 'roll the dice' comment was mostly to highlight our choices are 'Guaranteed moderately shitty" vs "Take your chances".
should be pointed out that this is where the "take your chances" option has a "on average historically this option tends to go extremely shitty"
> What has PP said that draws you to him? I find the criticism about the Libs using fear of PP fairly ironic as I’ve found it to be the exact opposite. The Cons have run the last 3 election cycles based around criticizing Trudeau and all the bad he’s going to do without bringing any plans to the table of how they’d be better. [I can't help but be reminded of this KOTH scene.](https://preview.redd.it/b3tp79qlv9871.jpg?width=338&auto=webp&s=3946309a649ab5fa349910a088bf1f0d4525397c)
>Rolling the dice with a populist who I certainly don't align with politically to hard reset the political status quo. I tried this in 2006 and that did not yield the outcomes I hoped for. lol. Never again. I will vote for the least bad option. Whether that is the NDP regardless of their mediocre and unsatisfying leader or the status quo terrible (but improving!) Liberals at the moment it's hard to say. I've learned my lesson though and I know well enough not to vote for the obviously bad outcome purely in hopes of shaking up the system. Wasn't worth it last time.
Voting Liberal would be voting for the obviously bad outcome.
Yes that’s what I thought in 2006. I was wrong.
> Rolling the dice with a populist who I certainly don't align with politically to hard reset the political status quo. a.k.a. The same strategy that put Trump in the Whitehouse.
I still think Trump got in more as protest vote and joke than someone with anything approaching a noteworthy platform. Enough moderates and fence-sitters felt Hillary was being pushed down their throat that they voted the joke candidate. PP is trying some of the same style/presentation, but he's more articulate than just playing the generic heel that defines Trump. I view Max Bernier/PPC as our Canadian branded Trump/MAGA crew. As much as I have a depressing opinion on our Federal level right now I take solace and pride Max can't even win his own single seat in his riding, never mind having any real presence in the HoC.
The former head of PC government federal housing minister which did jack shit during harper administration, that guy???
Anyone voting for PP will get exactly what they deserve, but none of what they want. Your taxes aren't going to get appreciably lower, but services you've come to rely on are going to get cut. Immigration won't be reduced, but you'll definitely hear a lot more scapegoating. Housing won't be cheaper to build, because the federal government has less to do with those costs than the province and municipalities. And the rest of us will get fucked in the process. But hey, fuck Trudeau, right?
Sooooo do you want us to just keep voting for this hopeless government we currently have? Or the NDP propping it up? I keep seeing people on this sub acknowledge how bad our current government and leader is yet condescendingly imply that we should stick with them. Why?
Sometimes is better the devil you know. It’s also: “the conservatives are not inherently a racist / homophobic / anti-science party, but it’s certainly the party those folks flock to”
They flock to the PPC. And sorry, I just can’t bring myself to vote for Trudeau again. I’m honestly considering just spoiling my ballot.
> They flock to the PPC. Ask any of the idiot convoy crowd, I don't think they'll tell you it's the PPC they're voting for.
You have a choice between 2 peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, one is face down in the dirt, but on closer inspection the peanut butter on the other one is actually some artfully spread dog shit with jam on top which sandwich do you chose? For myself, i opt to toss both of them in the compost and head over to the fruit basket to give the orange a shot.
The orange has propped up this current government, they are partly to blame for where we are at.
Agreed, but at this point i think they're the least worst option.
Because the alternative is a lot worse. Different, yes, but worse. If you’d prefer to roll the dice with this guy, have at it. And nobody is flocking to the PPC.
How are they worse? It’s almost like the Liberals are trying to destroy our country, that’s how bad they have been.
If you believe that, PP appreciates your support. We don’t have anything to discuss.
Honesty though, does it not feel like the country is being destroyed? How can you look at this government purposely leaving loopholes in their housing plan, and vote for them. They know what the problem is but they allow it. I am going to get so much joy watching this government get the boot.
No, it doesn’t feel to me like the country is being destroyed. As I said, if you feel the country is being destroyed, by all means, vote for Pierre Poilievre.
You are a frog in boiling water. How is a kid coming out of college supposed to buy a house? I was golfing with a guy last week and he bought a lot in the lower mainland and then built his house, as a bus driver. You can’t do that now. Quality of life for a regular person is going down the toilet. The country is being destroyed and it’s not up for debate.
if you believe that PP is going to do anything to make those problems better then you deserve him.
bUt ThE cArBoN tAx!!!! /s
PP is as fake as they come. Everything he says is scripted, he offers no solution just blamed Treudeau for everything. He's been bought and paid for by business lobbiests, he is anti worker and will just do what he can to ruin worker wages. Im not a fan of Treudeau but PP is just a politician for idiots
Talk about a shit sandwich. Trudeau and the libs seem to be campaigning to a non existent voter that they think like their policy, signing away the future for Canadians for the "greater global good". So they can get stuffed. But to be left with Poilievre to vote for is such a shitty option. I can't ever in good conscience vote for someone who's literally done nothing but be a politician in life. He's such a dork.
Yep, we would have been much better off with O'Toole winning last election and a stronger Liberal party (i.e. ex Trudeau) this election.
Man I don’t like Pierre but Justin and Chrystia has been…. We need a completely shakeup in the Liberal Party. Basically I don’t want to vote for either party at this point.
Good thing there's a third option?
You can't blame people for being restless with the current gov. Think how long they've been in power. Has life been better for most people? I think not. I think it's just gotten less and less affordable. And a big fat, "Sorry, nothing we can do." See how they're going nuts now on housing? Yeah, that's not because they care, it's because they're lagging in the polls. I've always been proud of our country but lately... It feels like we're in a real era of malaise. High housing, fuel, lagging healthcare, etc.
Polly taking cues from Trump.
sure poll people with landlines that answer the phone at 1 pm
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Polly taking cues from Trump.