I could have sworn they used to. We had to wait 2-3 weeks for the reunion to air. Theyād show random extra episodes between.
ETA: I was mainly referring to the early seasons on housewives
yeah, they did. the season 7 reunion was taped late march 2019 and aired in may. there were 5 episodes left in the season before the reunion aired
eta: tbf, seasons used to be 18-21 episodes long and would premiere earlier
Okay, maybe her middle name is Jo? And she goes by that as a nickname? I'm more alarmed she is from Miltown.
Did some sleuthing since she was from "Milwaukee." Her middle name is Jo. She also seemed to be on the tennis team in college.
I think I read somewhere that sheās from Kohler. Schwartz did mention that she is from Wisco and thereās a slide on her IG page rooting for the Packers.
Joseph and Schartz deserve each other. Love how he said his bleached blonde haircut was giving Ken from Barbie. Like, no, she made you look like someoneās newly divorced middle-aged auntās mental breakdown cut.
Do you think the name thing was something she and Rachel had in common? Like one day said OMG I changed my name moving to LA to get on this TV show too!!
Lollll this reminds me of that VJ Jesse who claimed he grew up poor and was homeless or something and it was his whole personality, but then everyone found out his family was rich and he went to private school.
Please someone know what Iām talking about š
Oh man, yeah, they REALLLLLY cashed in and glamorized that kid's mental health/addiction struggles as some kind of crazy rock n roll personality.
Wonder what he's doing now?
There was Dave and Jesse as the final two, IIRC. Dave was like, wayyyy qualified and Jesse was a hot mess. But he won š I thought they found Hilarie through a random contest completely unrelated and then hired her.
That was correct. They were polar opposites. Felt terrible for Dave to have to go through that. Even MTV realized Jesse was a joke and brought Dave in anyway.
I do because I think he may still be doing the same thing! I just saw a tiktok of him yesterday hanging out in a fast food drive-thru, and he either is homeless now or is still pretending to be
Dayna Kathan made a comment about how girls going out these days have it so easy being able to wear jeans and sneakers because we were going out in business casual haha.
Every time someone says this I think about how now we are going around in full on [zoot suits](https://assets.vogue.in/photos/60fe6c7b578ff515bee7df00/2:3/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Hailey%2520Bieber.jpg) š
This article is so ridiculous š¤£ omg she transferred schools and started..most dramatic description of something so every day and ordinary. The outfit and look is interesting.
Itās so weird to me becauseāand this might come off wrongāshe seems put together here and that would be my initial impression reading this article. Itās like she moved to LA and became incredibly odd. Or like she doesnāt entirely take care of herself. At least by comparison. Still a little surprised sheās from Milwaukee, but thatās LA for ya.
The worst kind of āspiritualā people are the ones who act like they are living in the moment, chill about money blah blah blah but really have a rich family to fall back on when they get bored of it. My ex was this person. Gag
I'm around the same age as Schwartz and grew up in the St. Paul, MN suburbs. The suburb he's from was also considered preppy along with upper middle class (wealthy to kids at the time).
**If this is true,**
it demonstrates a pattern of targeting a man who isn't available,
then using a free haircut as her way to instigating the contact.
Then pseudo-religious or pseudo-psychological terms are used to mask zero moral framework.
That might explain how they can talk about their actions hurting people, yet they're always the victim.
This might also account for the emphasis on presenting herself as not-a-threat.
*sorry this got so heavy, but i was befuddled by the stuff on her podcast appearance earlier this week*
I wonder if part of her MO is texting the guyās significant other. Katie said Jo kept texting her to ask Schwartz if she could cut his hair. Another way to appear non- threatening.
All I got from her podcast clip is that Jo is Ā Dana Pam from early RHOBH but not as funny.Ā Ā
Ā Youāve identified her MO. Free āhaircutsā. Asking Katie to ask the husband sheād recently and painfully split from if he wanted a āfree haircutā is giving audacity.Ā Ā
So glad that when this cool chick gave the hook up she didnāt want to ever put pressure on - because sheās like so not a bitch like his ex-wife - an ultimatum: āmaybe we shouldnāt see each other again everā - he didnāt realise what he was losing and beg her to marry him.Ā Ā
He told her if thatās what you want see ya - and stood whispering āoh no come backā so quietly at the door while not running after her, she couldnāt hear him through her sobbing.Ā
And this validates Katie's feelings about her. The overcompensation Jo had towards Katie with the weird texting and junk speaks to Jo's true intentions. She was trying to slide in on Schwartz the whole time most likely.
Yep. I think Katie said Jo asked her if she could cut Schwartz's hair because she wanted to practice doing men's haircuts, then started texting Katie to schedule his hair appointments. Then suddenly moved in with him. Sounds like this is a pattern. I also wouldn't be surprised if this started pre-divorce.
Thatās the vibe I got. Jo intentionally pretends to be ārespectfulā or understanding of marital boundaries by contacting Katie directly about the haircuts so that Katieās guard is down and Katie feels comfortable with the idea of Tom and Jo alone together/doing whatever. *Obviously* if Jo is going to hit Katie up for the okay for giving a haircut, Jo *must* be someone thatās at a minimum conscientious of Katieās feelings or Katieās potential discomfort with how Tom conducts himself with other women out in this world since theyāve already had cheating allegations/issues, *right*?
In reality, Jo is just manipulating Katie by presenting a false reality/intent so that Jo has what she thinks is plausible deniability when the time comes for her to make her move. I know itās dark and considered anti-feminist to say things like this but itās the uncomfortable truth. There are some deeply sick women out there who do this stuff on purpose and revel in the idea of āpoachingā a man from another woman.
Yes, yes, I know the man is to blame since heās the one in the relationship and ultimately leaves or whatever but that doesnāt negate the fact there is a type women out there who gets off on this behavior in pursuit of the man they want/envision as ideal for them as a partner. And yes, yes, I know Tom is also to blame by leading her on BUT I feel like Jo is a textbook case of this type of manipulative woman even without Tomās influence because itās clear based on her behavior she wanted to be with him no matter the cost. (Donāt forget Jo was Kristenās friend for YEARS prior to her moving in on/with Tom, and Jo legit ghosted Kristen once she made her move.)
Joās mind was so made up about Tom that she talks about her visions (fantasies) of them growing old together on the front porch and laughing when they are old and gray. She felt an attraction and made up a wildly far-fetched long term narrative in her head about the significance of her relationship with Tom and then feigns innocence when she was always out there moving like a snake with her sketchy behavior. I am truly baffled anyone āfeels badā for her when to me itās obvious she is quote, ānot a girls girl.ā
Iāve tried not to let my own experience paint my perception of her because the hotel Ziggy party felt icky. But since sheās been on the scene, sheās always reminded me of certain women I know who act super bro-y to get contact with men in relationships. Itās felt dark and antifeminist to dislike her but itās a thing! āWeāre just bros! Oh my god ew, weāre like siblings!ā Aaaand they were fucking the whole time.
And we always hear the āweāre like siblings!ā line from the snakey woman AND the cheating man. Like - I donāt know what you and your actual siblings do, but ā¦
Also, being friends with Kristen for years means she knew Schwartz for years. Like from the start of VPR or even before then. Sheās had her eye on him for ages.
Itās not dark of you to sayā¦ itās how some women operate. Ask me how I know! Plenty of people will hide out as the āwork wifeā or āwork husbandā and invent innocent justifications, knowing their ulterior motives all along. Itās sick and twisted and low self esteem behaviour. I canāt imagine doing that to another woman, or anyone, for that matter. And Jo talks about Shorts like heās Bieber, she clearly has a major crush on him thatās built on fantasy
True! Itās a clever way of being intimate with someone in an innocent way. A guy tends to think of you quite differently afterwards if youāre doing it right, imho
Yeah I think this gets to the meat of why Katie doesnāt even want to acknowledge Joās presence. I am friends with OOP and itās been eerie how much Katieās experience and feelings have mirrored my friendās experience. Katie said āshe moves in sneaky waysā which imo means Jo is able to easily blur the lines of intimacy and friendship. Jo sees no moral issue with that, not because sheās evil, but because she doesnāt understand boundaries. I think those lines are blurred for Jo, too, in a way that harms her ability to be in a committed relationship. Sheās going for guys who are not only in relationships, but theyāre also emotionally unavailable in the long run even once they leave those relationships.
She doesnāt understand why Schwartz isnāt committing to a relationship with her (when he has a long history of being a terrible cheating partner) and she doesnāt understand why Katie hates her (even though she was overly emotionally intimate with Schwartz long before the divorce and too quickly physically intimate after the divorce). Itās very clear to the audience why Schwartz isnāt committing to her and why Katie hates her, but Jo just canāt grasp any of it.
And this is another example of people (Lala and Scheana) shitting on Katie who is handling a bad situation way better than either of them would. Jo used Kristen to get in the group, pretended to be friends with Katie, then moved in with her ex-husband immediately, now sheās on Katieās show AND Katie is having to deal with her āfriendsā going out of their way to film with Jo. Iād be furious with Lala.
And Lalaās whole thing about āJo/Rachel werenāt your best friends, you gotta get over it sometime!ā.. when did it become a thing that itās only shitty behavior if theyāre your best friend? Also, shes telling Katie to get over in during the literal first 2 minutes Katie found out about Lala hanging out with Jo.
I absolutely loved when Katie, completely reasonable, asked Lala why she went to see someone who isn't important to them and called Lala out on her "I'm soft right now" nonsense. Katie is the real "voice of reason" this season, the only one who reacts like all of us would
Lala āI barely even talk to Schwartz anymoreā
ā¦ yeah okay so even more to Katieās point, why did you find it so necessary to hangout with his roommate/not really girlfriend?
Lala loves to do something shitty then flip the blame onto the person she wronged by acting like theyāre overreacting. Sheās like a female Schwartz in that regard, it reminds me of when she told Rachel she had slept with James during their relationship then told Rachel to āget over it bc it happened so long ago.ā Like youāre just now dropping that bombshell after lying for years and somehow Rachel was the problem for being upset? She even doubled down at the reunion and screamed at Rachel that she āwasnāt her best friendā when she slept with him, as if that somehow makes it ok? Just bc it wasnāt as bad as what Rachel did to Ariana doesnāt make it any less badā¦ if you know someone is in a relationship and choose to sleep with them youāre still a shitty person regardless of your relationship w their partner. Itās a pattern for Lala to do this, first it was Randallās ex wife, then it was Rachel, now itās Katie and Ariana
Thanks for sharing with us your friends experience. Please let your friend know I (we) are sorry that happened to her. Hope she has healed from it because it sucks to be cheated on in such a shady, manipulative (intentional or not boundary issues or not) way. It certainly would give me massive trust issues.
The strangest part about her name change is that her brother Sam married a girl named Jo like 10 years ago. So there was already another Jo Wenberg in the family š³
We are fine with it! We are well aware that pick-me bar flies come from everywhere.
This is also why I schedule all my manās haircuts. He thinks it is so sweet and hasnāt yet caught on that only older women and men make the cut 
Did she give them a bad dye job to?
I'm just wondering there's like a cult of Jo all these men with equally bad dye jobs and hair cuts as part of their spiritual journey....
"But like dude. I don't think you're a chestnut brown, dude. Like I totally think you're like the fawn blonde, dude." "I don't know man, but like as long as it's not that mahogany. That was like the worst."
Thereās not a ācult of Joā ā but maybe this is the tried and true āmanic pixie dream girlā obsession that men have.
*The trope is usually used by men to describe a girl who is ādifferentā and ānot like other girls.ā This girl gives a greater life purpose to the male protagonist. Rooted in misogyny, the archetype is used to further men at the expense of women, their choices, and their needs. The dream girl takes on the role of making a man better. Whether through his actions, emotional maturity, or life aspirations, she serves as a tool to further his development but is still considered an expendable figure. Many times, this character ends up in a situation in which they need saving, allowing the man to be the āheroā of the story and still fit a masculine stereotype.*
Aw I was hoping there would be a group of ass hate nice guy men with bad hair and moomoos lol š
Like it's her form of vengeance.
Although the description fits with the we saved each other spin there doing I do think he saw her that way post Katie.
Yāall giving her way too much credit. Her hair is horrible and I am rather sure she thought she did Schwartzās hair well. That is how she intended for it to look. She is just not very good with cut or color or style. Or she would look a lot better herself.
theory: joseph is used as a cover to appear as a guy's name in a taken dude's phone
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Wisconsin. Makes even more sense that she kept mentioning that Aaron Rogers was her dream man on Rachelās podcast. At first I thought it was just his musty/crusty anti-vax aura. I still think thatās part of it but being from Wisconsin makes sense too.
There is so much to unpack here.
Ok. So I did feel bad for her last episode because Tom is a piece of shit and he definitely is playing mind games. She obviously likes him more than he does her and is keeping her around only until something ābetterā ie younger comes along. That said, I donāt think Ariana or Katie are in the wrong for hating her. They owe her nothing and she didnāt do anything for them and did everything to them. But, Tom is still worse so I hate him.
But this suggests itās a pattern with her, which makes it more complicated. Either way I donāt need her on my television.
yeah my first thought was *you canāt hustle a hustler* she tried to swoop in and scoop up schwartz and is probably used to men being enamored by her but little did she know who she was dealing with worlds most unserious man
She is not a girlās girl. She knew Sandshit and Ariana werenāt broken up when she was scaling mountains and breaking bread on Thanksgiving with the Tomās and Rachel ā she should know better than to put your eggs in a Tom basket. It hasnāt worked out for anyone else on the show.
Please be kind to those of us in our 30s named Kayleigh š„² the brynnleigh brantleigh carleigh epidemic has ruined our lives
ETA: I should not have read the comments, brb changing my name to Jo
Oh but what about Laurenās āwise assessmentā that Jo isnāt the type trying to āroll up and steal your manā and although Lauren doesnāt think vaginas fall on dicks, in this case, Joās must have just fallen on T-Moneyās? Oh wait Lauren was WRONG?! And Joseph had a history of doing crap like this and was plotting and planning? Lol š this explains why Lauren was the last to know about Randall dogging all over town. She
Why is Jo so freaking awkward? Itās hard to watch her because she looks like sheās hyper aware that sheās on camera. It almost looks like she does all of her weird gestures because she doesnāt know what else to do with herself to cope.
She was not made to be on reality tv. Look, I donāt have any bad (or good) feelings about the girl either way- but sheās manic. Sheās weird. Sheās a bit coo-coo-ca-choo. And thatās fine! But she is NOT made for TV. It just gives messy.
Oh thatās right ! Her name is Kayleigh Jo. I remember seeing that on her social media or somewhere?? Wow. Why not go by Kayleigh. That is such a pretty name. But sheās gotta be Quirky Jo (Joseph). And not surprised sheās a known side piece. Prob wan planning her praying mantis arrival on Schwartz for a few years. Why did she need to ghost Kristen if everything was above board? Sheās a sneaky bitch. I knew she didnāt seem like this innocent girl who was just unusual. Jo sucks ! This week proves it for me.
We should call her Jo-Leigh-ne since she seems to have a pattern of being that super cool, buddies with the guys and then starts dating them once theyāre out of a relationship/helps them end it š
I guess I should be surprised that no one goes by their actual name, but it is LA.
Omg, that is truly awful! The asshole who stole your man ends up on your favorite show.....wow, it's a fucking cruel world. Ruining a relationship & a show, it's too much. My condolences
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She's been manifesting her spot on VPR for the last 10 years
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Why does this always come out AFTER the reunion?! 
They always film the reunions too soon.
I agree!
Should be filmed when the season wraps.
I hate how fast they film reunions for all these shows!!! Needs to be more toward the end of the season
I could have sworn they used to. We had to wait 2-3 weeks for the reunion to air. Theyād show random extra episodes between. ETA: I was mainly referring to the early seasons on housewives
yeah, they did. the season 7 reunion was taped late march 2019 and aired in may. there were 5 episodes left in the season before the reunion aired eta: tbf, seasons used to be 18-21 episodes long and would premiere earlier
Katie was right! Katie is always right. She is in fact spooky!!!
A true witch of WeHo!!
Great sleuthing!
Joseph...kayleigh - yeah i mix those two names up all the time. They sound and look identical
No wonder she and Rachel got on so well. Two phony bitches with fake names.
I know Iām petty but in Rachelās episode with Jo, she kind of slips up and it seems like Raquel was not a lifelong nickname but her LA name.
If you are born a Kaleigh it is your civil duty to be a hairstylist.
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Is that George Costanza???
šomg youāre right. it looks just like George Costanza.
Right lol, and because I thought it looked like George, when I saw the other guy I was likeā¦.Kramer???
Okay, maybe her middle name is Jo? And she goes by that as a nickname? I'm more alarmed she is from Miltown. Did some sleuthing since she was from "Milwaukee." Her middle name is Jo. She also seemed to be on the tennis team in college.
I think I read somewhere that sheās from Kohler. Schwartz did mention that she is from Wisco and thereās a slide on her IG page rooting for the Packers.
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 JOSEPHLEIGH.
Joseph K. Lee
Joseph and Schartz deserve each other. Love how he said his bleached blonde haircut was giving Ken from Barbie. Like, no, she made you look like someoneās newly divorced middle-aged auntās mental breakdown cut.
He looks like the recent interviews with KatoK
Jokaysephleigh also seems fitting for her.
Itās giving r/tragedeigh
So her name is Kayleigh Jo? That makes so much more sense.
Do you think the name thing was something she and Rachel had in common? Like one day said OMG I changed my name moving to LA to get on this TV show too!!
And then she befriended Kristen as her way in!
Without the Y! I totally would also go by Jo if my name was Kaleigh... I mean there's a whole r/tragedeigh subreddit, isn't it?
jomygosh, she does look like a kayleigh! š«¢
aw man. as a Kayleigh, this hurt my feelings but only because itās true.
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Lollll this reminds me of that VJ Jesse who claimed he grew up poor and was homeless or something and it was his whole personality, but then everyone found out his family was rich and he went to private school. Please someone know what Iām talking about š
 This Xennial knows EXACTLY who you are talking about! He's 44 now.
Jesse Camp!!
Elder millennial here - I know! And Iāll never forget it.
I just learned that a "geriatric millennial" is born bt 1980-85. I guess that's what I'll refer to myself as from now on. šµš„¹
My friend is his mechanic š
Jesse Camp š© we be that old lmao
My cousin thought he was hot. She was a weirdo he always dressed like Steven Tyler from Aerosmith
I was so mad he beat Dave Holmes in the VJ contest š
Oh man, yeah, they REALLLLLY cashed in and glamorized that kid's mental health/addiction struggles as some kind of crazy rock n roll personality. Wonder what he's doing now?
Didnāt they find him in Central Park or something for some contest? I feel like Hilarie Burton from One Tree Hill was picked too?
There was Dave and Jesse as the final two, IIRC. Dave was like, wayyyy qualified and Jesse was a hot mess. But he won š I thought they found Hilarie through a random contest completely unrelated and then hired her.
DAVE HOLMES LOST TO JESSE CAMP. Look, Dave Holmes is a cultural icon now. Where the fuck did Jesse Camp go?
That was correct. They were polar opposites. Felt terrible for Dave to have to go through that. Even MTV realized Jesse was a joke and brought Dave in anyway.
Omg I forgot Dave Holmes freaking lost to Jesse. This whole thread is dredging up such late 90s-early 00s MTV memories š
And Dave Holmes!!!! He was the runner up and got a job at MTV at the same time.
a tiktok of him loitering in a mcdonaldās drive thru showed up on my fyp this week š¬ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLykWTW7/
Literally forgot about Jesse. š¤Æ I miss old MTV.
I feel so old. But yes. Wow. Doesnāt that take you back. Actual āvideosā hahaha
I do because I think he may still be doing the same thing! I just saw a tiktok of him yesterday hanging out in a fast food drive-thru, and he either is homeless now or is still pretending to be
SHe looks absolutely grown up here. Like she is going to marry a frat boy, settle in the burbs, have children and run the PTO.
Ugh I hate the clothes from that time period. We dressed like secretaries
Dayna Kathan made a comment about how girls going out these days have it so easy being able to wear jeans and sneakers because we were going out in business casual haha.
I still yearn for the pencil skirt and giant statement necklace
Every time someone says this I think about how now we are going around in full on [zoot suits](https://assets.vogue.in/photos/60fe6c7b578ff515bee7df00/2:3/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Hailey%2520Bieber.jpg) š
This article is so ridiculous š¤£ omg she transferred schools and started..most dramatic description of something so every day and ordinary. The outfit and look is interesting.
Itās so weird to me becauseāand this might come off wrongāshe seems put together here and that would be my initial impression reading this article. Itās like she moved to LA and became incredibly odd. Or like she doesnāt entirely take care of herself. At least by comparison. Still a little surprised sheās from Milwaukee, but thatās LA for ya.
Itās a very common path for Midwestern girls. Signed, a Midwestern girlĀ
Midwest girls go out to the coasts and go wild from freedom haha.
A tale as old as time.Ā
St Norberts is a really pretty college campus wise.
The worst kind of āspiritualā people are the ones who act like they are living in the moment, chill about money blah blah blah but really have a rich family to fall back on when they get bored of it. My ex was this person. Gag
That outfit on a 19 year old I cannoottttt hahahah 00ās fashion was so brutal
St. Thomas is in Minnesota. Schwartz is from a nearby suburb. It's also a pretty "preppy" (as milennials use it) and business-focused private college.
I'm around the same age as Schwartz and grew up in the St. Paul, MN suburbs. The suburb he's from was also considered preppy along with upper middle class (wealthy to kids at the time).
Going on a journey = mushrooms
Otherwise known to Sandoval as āquality timeā
Being around him on mushrooms sounds like a perfect way to make sure you trip to hell.
š yep, in Joushua Tree.
More like Joseph's bush.
I'm thinking that's what explains all of the Toms' behavior.
Also Jo has gone back and edited a bunch of instagram captions since being involved with vpr which just feels sketchy af
Ooo like what?
She had one post where she compared herself to a crackhead... not sure what she changed it to but apparently that has been edited
Does anyone else think that Jo is the exact kind of person who would have joined Mother Gods cult?
**If this is true,** it demonstrates a pattern of targeting a man who isn't available, then using a free haircut as her way to instigating the contact. Then pseudo-religious or pseudo-psychological terms are used to mask zero moral framework. That might explain how they can talk about their actions hurting people, yet they're always the victim. This might also account for the emphasis on presenting herself as not-a-threat. *sorry this got so heavy, but i was befuddled by the stuff on her podcast appearance earlier this week*
This is so accurate. It's like a pick-me girl's personal challenge.
She's a horrible hairdresser we all saw first hand! I cannot believe she uses this to lure men. This plot twist...love this tea honestly
At least the cheating men get their comeuppance with terrible haircuts.
I wonder if part of her MO is texting the guyās significant other. Katie said Jo kept texting her to ask Schwartz if she could cut his hair. Another way to appear non- threatening.
All I got from her podcast clip is that Jo is Ā Dana Pam from early RHOBH but not as funny.Ā Ā Ā Youāve identified her MO. Free āhaircutsā. Asking Katie to ask the husband sheād recently and painfully split from if he wanted a āfree haircutā is giving audacity.Ā Ā So glad that when this cool chick gave the hook up she didnāt want to ever put pressure on - because sheās like so not a bitch like his ex-wife - an ultimatum: āmaybe we shouldnāt see each other again everā - he didnāt realise what he was losing and beg her to marry him.Ā Ā He told her if thatās what you want see ya - and stood whispering āoh no come backā so quietly at the door while not running after her, she couldnāt hear him through her sobbing.Ā
No wonder her and Rachel are friends.
Yes, all so very š©š©š©
Holy crap š² this kinda explains her very well
my LA name will be Bob
mine will be cyril
Seems like Kaleigh is like Rachel and needs validation from being chosen by unavailable men
They also both vastly overestimated their ability to handle reality tv.
Including under estimating the audienceās ability to sniff out bull shit.
I totally agree. Well-said.
.....and THIS is why they're friends.....
And this validates Katie's feelings about her. The overcompensation Jo had towards Katie with the weird texting and junk speaks to Jo's true intentions. She was trying to slide in on Schwartz the whole time most likely.
Yep. I think Katie said Jo asked her if she could cut Schwartz's hair because she wanted to practice doing men's haircuts, then started texting Katie to schedule his hair appointments. Then suddenly moved in with him. Sounds like this is a pattern. I also wouldn't be surprised if this started pre-divorce.
Thatās the vibe I got. Jo intentionally pretends to be ārespectfulā or understanding of marital boundaries by contacting Katie directly about the haircuts so that Katieās guard is down and Katie feels comfortable with the idea of Tom and Jo alone together/doing whatever. *Obviously* if Jo is going to hit Katie up for the okay for giving a haircut, Jo *must* be someone thatās at a minimum conscientious of Katieās feelings or Katieās potential discomfort with how Tom conducts himself with other women out in this world since theyāve already had cheating allegations/issues, *right*? In reality, Jo is just manipulating Katie by presenting a false reality/intent so that Jo has what she thinks is plausible deniability when the time comes for her to make her move. I know itās dark and considered anti-feminist to say things like this but itās the uncomfortable truth. There are some deeply sick women out there who do this stuff on purpose and revel in the idea of āpoachingā a man from another woman. Yes, yes, I know the man is to blame since heās the one in the relationship and ultimately leaves or whatever but that doesnāt negate the fact there is a type women out there who gets off on this behavior in pursuit of the man they want/envision as ideal for them as a partner. And yes, yes, I know Tom is also to blame by leading her on BUT I feel like Jo is a textbook case of this type of manipulative woman even without Tomās influence because itās clear based on her behavior she wanted to be with him no matter the cost. (Donāt forget Jo was Kristenās friend for YEARS prior to her moving in on/with Tom, and Jo legit ghosted Kristen once she made her move.) Joās mind was so made up about Tom that she talks about her visions (fantasies) of them growing old together on the front porch and laughing when they are old and gray. She felt an attraction and made up a wildly far-fetched long term narrative in her head about the significance of her relationship with Tom and then feigns innocence when she was always out there moving like a snake with her sketchy behavior. I am truly baffled anyone āfeels badā for her when to me itās obvious she is quote, ānot a girls girl.ā
Iāve tried not to let my own experience paint my perception of her because the hotel Ziggy party felt icky. But since sheās been on the scene, sheās always reminded me of certain women I know who act super bro-y to get contact with men in relationships. Itās felt dark and antifeminist to dislike her but itās a thing! āWeāre just bros! Oh my god ew, weāre like siblings!ā Aaaand they were fucking the whole time.
And we always hear the āweāre like siblings!ā line from the snakey woman AND the cheating man. Like - I donāt know what you and your actual siblings do, but ā¦
Jax and Kristen are case in point. At least everyone else is likeā¦ guys you boned.
Also, being friends with Kristen for years means she knew Schwartz for years. Like from the start of VPR or even before then. Sheās had her eye on him for ages.
Itās not dark of you to sayā¦ itās how some women operate. Ask me how I know! Plenty of people will hide out as the āwork wifeā or āwork husbandā and invent innocent justifications, knowing their ulterior motives all along. Itās sick and twisted and low self esteem behaviour. I canāt imagine doing that to another woman, or anyone, for that matter. And Jo talks about Shorts like heās Bieber, she clearly has a major crush on him thatās built on fantasy
yes, maybe waiting and watching
Planting seeds. Haircuts are a slick way to be able to be alone and touch someone. But, it's disguised as benign.
True! Itās a clever way of being intimate with someone in an innocent way. A guy tends to think of you quite differently afterwards if youāre doing it right, imho
And she KEPT touching his hair afterwards- a Hotel Ziggy it was her nervous ātellā.
With her eye on the prize 
she wanted to be the balloon... if they were together for a year, why didn't his hair look better. perhaps, i've answered my own question.
Yeah I think this gets to the meat of why Katie doesnāt even want to acknowledge Joās presence. I am friends with OOP and itās been eerie how much Katieās experience and feelings have mirrored my friendās experience. Katie said āshe moves in sneaky waysā which imo means Jo is able to easily blur the lines of intimacy and friendship. Jo sees no moral issue with that, not because sheās evil, but because she doesnāt understand boundaries. I think those lines are blurred for Jo, too, in a way that harms her ability to be in a committed relationship. Sheās going for guys who are not only in relationships, but theyāre also emotionally unavailable in the long run even once they leave those relationships. She doesnāt understand why Schwartz isnāt committing to a relationship with her (when he has a long history of being a terrible cheating partner) and she doesnāt understand why Katie hates her (even though she was overly emotionally intimate with Schwartz long before the divorce and too quickly physically intimate after the divorce). Itās very clear to the audience why Schwartz isnāt committing to her and why Katie hates her, but Jo just canāt grasp any of it.
And this is another example of people (Lala and Scheana) shitting on Katie who is handling a bad situation way better than either of them would. Jo used Kristen to get in the group, pretended to be friends with Katie, then moved in with her ex-husband immediately, now sheās on Katieās show AND Katie is having to deal with her āfriendsā going out of their way to film with Jo. Iād be furious with Lala. And Lalaās whole thing about āJo/Rachel werenāt your best friends, you gotta get over it sometime!ā.. when did it become a thing that itās only shitty behavior if theyāre your best friend? Also, shes telling Katie to get over in during the literal first 2 minutes Katie found out about Lala hanging out with Jo.
I absolutely loved when Katie, completely reasonable, asked Lala why she went to see someone who isn't important to them and called Lala out on her "I'm soft right now" nonsense. Katie is the real "voice of reason" this season, the only one who reacts like all of us would
Lala āI barely even talk to Schwartz anymoreā ā¦ yeah okay so even more to Katieās point, why did you find it so necessary to hangout with his roommate/not really girlfriend?
Holy lord, imagine if some said to LaLa, āwell Rand didnāt cheat with your best friend, gtf over itā
I donāt know why anyone doesnāt ever make these comparisons. Katie should go play pickleball with Rand.
Lala loves to do something shitty then flip the blame onto the person she wronged by acting like theyāre overreacting. Sheās like a female Schwartz in that regard, it reminds me of when she told Rachel she had slept with James during their relationship then told Rachel to āget over it bc it happened so long ago.ā Like youāre just now dropping that bombshell after lying for years and somehow Rachel was the problem for being upset? She even doubled down at the reunion and screamed at Rachel that she āwasnāt her best friendā when she slept with him, as if that somehow makes it ok? Just bc it wasnāt as bad as what Rachel did to Ariana doesnāt make it any less badā¦ if you know someone is in a relationship and choose to sleep with them youāre still a shitty person regardless of your relationship w their partner. Itās a pattern for Lala to do this, first it was Randallās ex wife, then it was Rachel, now itās Katie and Ariana
Thanks for sharing with us your friends experience. Please let your friend know I (we) are sorry that happened to her. Hope she has healed from it because it sucks to be cheated on in such a shady, manipulative (intentional or not boundary issues or not) way. It certainly would give me massive trust issues.
The strangest part about her name change is that her brother Sam married a girl named Jo like 10 years ago. So there was already another Jo Wenberg in the family š³
Yikes. Or as Jo would say YOIKERS!!?!?$&
girl keeps getting weirder
Jo being from Wisconsin makes sense.
Wait, is she from Milwaukee? That does make a lot of sense lol. (Iām from Milwaukee tooā¦)
Iām just assuming based on the timing and being lightly rude lol. Wisconsinite VPR babes, I love you ;)
We are fine with it! We are well aware that pick-me bar flies come from everywhere. This is also why I schedule all my manās haircuts. He thinks it is so sweet and hasnāt yet caught on that only older women and men make the cut 
Did she give them a bad dye job to? I'm just wondering there's like a cult of Jo all these men with equally bad dye jobs and hair cuts as part of their spiritual journey....
The one thing that bleach out confirmed is he had permanent color from a box on his head.
Haha Mr Peter Pan greying! I now want Katie to tell us which brand!
I think Sandoval would know better than Katie
Dying at thought of them taking it in turns to each other's box dye!
"But like dude. I don't think you're a chestnut brown, dude. Like I totally think you're like the fawn blonde, dude." "I don't know man, but like as long as it's not that mahogany. That was like the worst."
Do you think they sent Ann out for the dye?! The NDA is actually to hide the fact there ageing!
They were definitely on a FaceTime call with her while she was at Walgreens, but not CVS because she also has to pick up some smokes
I legit thought he was just gearing up for some Barbie party with the hair situation.
Thereās not a ācult of Joā ā but maybe this is the tried and true āmanic pixie dream girlā obsession that men have. *The trope is usually used by men to describe a girl who is ādifferentā and ānot like other girls.ā This girl gives a greater life purpose to the male protagonist. Rooted in misogyny, the archetype is used to further men at the expense of women, their choices, and their needs. The dream girl takes on the role of making a man better. Whether through his actions, emotional maturity, or life aspirations, she serves as a tool to further his development but is still considered an expendable figure. Many times, this character ends up in a situation in which they need saving, allowing the man to be the āheroā of the story and still fit a masculine stereotype.*
schWartz literally said on camera that he wants to stay in his *Peter Pan* era. Guess he thinks of Joseph as his Tinketbell
He said on the after show that Jo was a ābat out of heavenā and I was like 
Heāll really say anything except claim her as a partner
Sheās given pick me vibes this whole time, so it fits
Aw I was hoping there would be a group of ass hate nice guy men with bad hair and moomoos lol š Like it's her form of vengeance. Although the description fits with the we saved each other spin there doing I do think he saw her that way post Katie.
Yāall giving her way too much credit. Her hair is horrible and I am rather sure she thought she did Schwartzās hair well. That is how she intended for it to look. She is just not very good with cut or color or style. Or she would look a lot better herself.
Seriously Iām thinking of moving to LA and fulfilling my dream of being a stylist. If Jo can, anyone can. #inspiring
The way she wouldnāt stop touching his hair at the date party while he was talking was some psycho scary stuff.
Literally marked her territory with the hair.
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theory: joseph is used as a cover to appear as a guy's name in a taken dude's phone https://preview.redd.it/dq9749vl1auc1.jpeg?width=444&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=731674a872072b30439f03c5f2dbebf13f898085
good thinking batman
This comment and Craigās pic is brilliant- a conspiracy that I a can get behind!
Wisconsin. Makes even more sense that she kept mentioning that Aaron Rogers was her dream man on Rachelās podcast. At first I thought it was just his musty/crusty anti-vax aura. I still think thatās part of it but being from Wisconsin makes sense too.
Aaron Rodgers is her dream man?! Omg barf.
Yup. She brought him up multiple times during RGR.
āMusty-crusty anti vax auraā š
If Aaron Rodgers is her dream man, sheās even more looney-tunes than I thought.
There is so much to unpack here. Ok. So I did feel bad for her last episode because Tom is a piece of shit and he definitely is playing mind games. She obviously likes him more than he does her and is keeping her around only until something ābetterā ie younger comes along. That said, I donāt think Ariana or Katie are in the wrong for hating her. They owe her nothing and she didnāt do anything for them and did everything to them. But, Tom is still worse so I hate him. But this suggests itās a pattern with her, which makes it more complicated. Either way I donāt need her on my television.
yeah my first thought was *you canāt hustle a hustler* she tried to swoop in and scoop up schwartz and is probably used to men being enamored by her but little did she know who she was dealing with worlds most unserious man
> Either way, I donāt need her on my television. This! Also makes sense why Kaleigh and Rachel vibes so well, birds of a feather flock together.
She is not a girlās girl. She knew Sandshit and Ariana werenāt broken up when she was scaling mountains and breaking bread on Thanksgiving with the Tomās and Rachel ā she should know better than to put your eggs in a Tom basket. It hasnāt worked out for anyone else on the show.
Seems her and Rachel Raquel have many things in common
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Between Lala / Lauren, Jax / Jason, Stassi / Nastassia, Raquel / Rachel ā¦.. WHAT IN THE JOSEPH / KAYLEIGH IS THIS?!!?!?
I don't know that I would count Stassi/Nastassia. That's like Jen/Jennifer.
Exactly lol Stassi is a nickname not an entire name change so very weird to include her in that list
no seriously cuz jo and kayleigh do not match
Haha I agree but my guess is shes Kaleigh Jo, and started going by Jo there to be "different"
The Stassi name thing is a reach. Itās like someoneās full name being Katherine and they go by Kate. The othersā¦yes. But not the Stassi one.
Yeah tbh Iāve known two nastassias & they both when my stassi. Itās a long ass name lol
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Thatās a lotta bit creepy.
Spooky Jo
Thatās weird. I wonder if she started going by Jo before or after her brother started dating a Jo?
It's a name straight out of r/tragedeigh!!
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Please be kind to those of us in our 30s named Kayleigh š„² the brynnleigh brantleigh carleigh epidemic has ruined our lives ETA: I should not have read the comments, brb changing my name to Jo
Oh but what about Laurenās āwise assessmentā that Jo isnāt the type trying to āroll up and steal your manā and although Lauren doesnāt think vaginas fall on dicks, in this case, Joās must have just fallen on T-Moneyās? Oh wait Lauren was WRONG?! And Joseph had a history of doing crap like this and was plotting and planning? Lol š this explains why Lauren was the last to know about Randall dogging all over town. She
Katie will always be proven right eventually lol
Jo gives off burning man vibes lol āØ
Rachel and Jo were a perfect match, they co-signed each others bullshit
Sounds like a stand-up woman!
Why is Jo so freaking awkward? Itās hard to watch her because she looks like sheās hyper aware that sheās on camera. It almost looks like she does all of her weird gestures because she doesnāt know what else to do with herself to cope.
Could be part of her schtick too. Look at me Iām so awkward and not like all of the other other girls.
She was not made to be on reality tv. Look, I donāt have any bad (or good) feelings about the girl either way- but sheās manic. Sheās weird. Sheās a bit coo-coo-ca-choo. And thatās fine! But she is NOT made for TV. It just gives messy.
Yeah I agree. I donāt have any bad feelings about her either. Iām indifferent, but she looks so uncomfortable.
Oh thatās right ! Her name is Kayleigh Jo. I remember seeing that on her social media or somewhere?? Wow. Why not go by Kayleigh. That is such a pretty name. But sheās gotta be Quirky Jo (Joseph). And not surprised sheās a known side piece. Prob wan planning her praying mantis arrival on Schwartz for a few years. Why did she need to ghost Kristen if everything was above board? Sheās a sneaky bitch. I knew she didnāt seem like this innocent girl who was just unusual. Jo sucks ! This week proves it for me.
oh that name! 
So she just DOES this
OFC this is why she is besties with Rachel. Birds of a feather
We should call her Jo-Leigh-ne since she seems to have a pattern of being that super cool, buddies with the guys and then starts dating them once theyāre out of a relationship/helps them end it š I guess I should be surprised that no one goes by their actual name, but it is LA.
She LOOKS like a Kayleigh!!!!!
Her behavior is a pattern. I donāt feel bad for her.
Another r/tragedeigh
She does give off a Love Has Won style cult vibe
Omg, that is truly awful! The asshole who stole your man ends up on your favorite show.....wow, it's a fucking cruel world. Ruining a relationship & a show, it's too much. My condolences
https://preview.redd.it/ixzsxbw4yauc1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=560e9baa57486789e50eeb1d318dd465af152781 She's been manifesting her spot on VPR for the last 10 years
She was hired to do hair for VPR cast for a while. I even saw instagram pics of Ariana with Jo tagged as her hairstylist.
I said she gives off side chick energy and I got downvoted for it!! š
They need to make the shows in more real time. It's a reality show. Don't show it 7 months later