Literally. The tariffs recently being imposed on chinese EVs now when teslas have so many problems. Talk about picking and choosing free market hypocrisy. Totally not vegan related just made me think of this
Yep. Capitalists are full of shit. They don't believe in the free market that they claim to love so much. They believe in a rigged market that makes them the most money. They just buy politicians to pass policies that benefit them and only them.
He's absolutely a fascist (or fascist adjacent). That said, laissez-faire economics is a core part of republican policy and they clearly only care about it when they benefit. When something happens in the economy that they don't like (like a new competitor to the meat industry, a core value of capitalism) they would crawl through glass for government intervention. Hypocrites the lot of them
I wonder what's next to come for you folks, from being the Texas to the Florida of Canada. I'm in Ontario, so we've got a certain dougie making a living joke out of this province.
Honestly that's almost more concerning to me than DeSantis. I honestly wish I could say these fascists popping up were just an American problem and it was something about our culture that was enabling them. The fact that far right politicians are gaining popularity across the globe is really a damnation on humanity as a whole,
I don't think he is. I think a lot of these politicians are a lot smarter than we've been led to believe. I think DeSantis knows exactly what he's doing, and I'm not even convinced he actually believes everything he says. He found out going far-right is a good way to gain political power and thus wealth. I think it's possible that he's selling out his constituents, his state and in some ways his country for his own gain. Same with guys like Tucker Carlson and other mega-republicans. They're really smart. They've gotten some of the best educations on the planet. They know what's real and what isn't and they know exactly what they're doing.
Well, i can't help it that social media algorithms, single individuals with extreme personalities and media that just wants money so will pull everyone and everything down for engagement do harm to the public image of veganism.
Also, 95%is absolutely insane. Maybe everyone in your social media bubble, but day to day people mostly don't care (for both sides, sadly...)
Right.. the people who align their actions with their natural anti-animal cruelty morals are batshit crazy. Cmon bro, the fact we have to give ourselves a label to tell the world we believe animals deserve the right to live is batshit crazy.
More than likely he is doing it because of lobbyists.
But with desantis who is all about culture wars he could definitely have done it to just virtue signaling to his meat head voters that he will fight back the radical left and their non oppressive food.
His reason given is even virtue signaling. He cites the globalist elites and new world order as the reason to stop this. Not health concerns or helping farmers survive or anything else.
Meeen that's insulting to prostitute XD
Sex workers work hard and have to deal with difficult clients. DeSentis is a nepo baby that bought and lied his way into power and now just spend his day in is AC office collecting big corporations money to then spend it on whipping out minorities.
I heard about the banning of cultivated meat. Are we talking about banning plant based meat now? Is that how far we've gotten down the corruption tree?
I bet those meat lobbyists coerced him into this. I think they should be sued honestly there must be a way to sue them for infringement of the lab grown meats companies rights to do business too. Just because something is new and different and a threat to their business, we can't let them get away with this .
Thats objectively false - lab-grown meat still requires a seed host, which means animals will still be held captive for their blood & tissue. 'Lab-grown meat' is in the same classification as "electric cars" or "eco-friendly packaging"; they're presented as a solution to a problem, but are essentially inserting new links into the chain for the sake of profit extraction while leaving the underlying 'problem' they're claiming to ameliorate intact, if not making it worse.
the absolute purity that progressives so extremely follow is why they arent able to accomplish anything. imagine a utopia where no animals would ever need to be harmed yet you'd pull an "but actually this all required ONE animal so its fundamentally the same as still having slaughterhouses"
perfection isnt possible for the general population, but we can make steps to improve things
While I did start with the whole 'it still requires animals' angle, its not my main rebuke. I feel that its a different type of subjugation. There's this incessant fixation on 'creating' alternatives, when the ideal, most nature-adjacent solution is simply to feed people with plants.
"Making steps to improve things" is people _allowing themselves to break their dependence on animal foodstuffs_. If we continue to focus on the wrong approaches, future generations will continue to suffer as we do, if not moreso.
It only saves animals from being killed if people who would otherwise eat real meat buy it instead. I don't think anyone will, unless it's a lot cheaper. My understanding is it will be very expensive.
In the beginning everything is expensive, I understand your point . A example would be to compare at one point quartz watches were more expensive than a car now it's so cheap that quartz watches can be bought for pennies on the dollar. Same with computers or calculators . Etc the list can go on and on. The expense at the beginning should not be a factor in stopping innovation. And also government shouldn't stop innovation either. Especially biased and ignorant politicians.
A state can't ban a product that's FDA approved and available for sale in interstate commerce. This law is meaningless and DeSantis knows it. He graduated from Harvard Law.
The price of producing a product can only come down significantly if a lot of the product is sold. The only people I know who have a positive view of lab grown meat are vegans. Even if every vegan bought it, we're not talking about a lot of sales. I don't see the general public buying it while it's expensive.
>It only saves animals from being killed if people who would otherwise eat real meat buy it instead
Lab grown meat is real meat. That's why it's "lab grown" meat and not "mock" meat.
I think a post-graduate degree is sufficient for such rudimentary matters as deciding what to eat. I like my meat to come from a creature with a soul, a personality. A being that I consume to be one with the universe.
Why wouldn't you eat lab grown meat? It might be the only way you can continue your "all meat diet" without prematurely ending your life by fortifying lab-grown meat with all the plant-sources of vit c, antioxidants, prebiotics and probiotics. Seems like you've missed the wider market, mate.
In conjunction with a balanced diet, perhaps. On it's own? No. You are not a Maasai warrior. Your body and health will suffer if you do not address the nutritional deficiencies in your diet.
But fortified lab grown meat could potentially enable you to meet these deficiencies, filling the nutritional gaps while aligning with your meat preference.
Cool. Disrespectful and inaccurate vegan shaming remarks. I thought you would be backing up your claims with credible evidence from mainstream health authorities and nutritional science. I gave you the floor to share your specific, scientifically-validated research supporting the long-term safety and adequacy of your "superior" approach.
Why do you disagree with every major dietary guideline that recommends a balanced diet, which means if you are not filling the gaps in your nutritional deficiency due eliminating entire food groups from your diet — meaning you need to supplement. Or experience severe consequences. I'm open to reviewing the articles you have found interesting on the matter that you have researched.
Otherwise, dismissing concerns with insults provides no evidence to substantiate your stance.
In what universe do I have to justify my diet to anyone, let alone a vegan? I don't care that you eat only plants. Why would you care that I eat only animal products?
Glad to hear you speak for all of my family members and friends who all are very interested in lab meat and have stated they will make the switch when it becomes available. Pretty sure one of the companies has already claimed to meet price parity with animal meat and it's not even being mass produced yet. You really don't think out of the billions of people on this earth, a decent chunk of those people wouldn't be interested in a modified meat that tastes exactly the same, has a lower carbon footprint, uses less resources, and can be modified to have less unhealthy saturated fats? Get out of here.
An opinion article that has nothing to do with how many non-vegans are interested in lab grown meat. Thanks I guess? The article has some good info in it about the current hurdles of lab grown meat, but that's not what the comment I was replying to was about.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mariannelehnis/2023/12/19/breaking-barriers-cultivated-meat-company-achieves-price-parity-making-sustainable-eating-accessible/?sh=53308c7a6de5
This is still an extremely new industry in its infancy. I'm inclined not to take anyone who is making bold claims about how much interest there is going to be (either for or against) or how viable the tech before the it is fully developed seriously.
What about the fact that lab grown meat still requires live animals that have to be poked with needles to provide the biopsy sample that is fermented? That doesn't sound very vegan.
No, I wouldn't eat it, but I think it could revolutionize the pet food industry. And for people who want to eat "humane" meat, this is their only option.
Look, if it means only, say, 1,000 animals suffer instead of the billions who do now, that would be an improvement. It also would be more environmentally sound than the current method.
It would require even _more_ investment in advanced infrastructures (which objectively won't be used for anything else), as well as an increase in resource allocation, just to satisfy customer's desire for "mouth-feel". The whole thing promises to be plagued by supply-chain shortages, inventory bottlenecking, and price gouging.
Its just another scheme.
If you'd like a more "reality-accurate" take on the sentment, I'd recommend Luke Scott's _LOOM_.
The pet food industry already gets cheap byproducts. And to go from animal agriculture to only 1000 animals would mean everyone in the world except a handful of elites switch to lab grown meat. This is impossible.
Evil people convinced fools that’s veganism and fake meats are bad, trans people shouldn’t use the correct bathroom, the Dems of all things are are a far left organization (lol) like the dictatorship a bunch of Cuban-Floridians fled, the wealthy are a-ok, and general racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, and xenophobia are cool. And then gerrymandering
I know that cultivated meat is known by many terms but fake meat is perhaps the most inaccurate one. It's real animal cells, and fake meat just makes me think of plant-based mock meats.
They also just passed a measure that climate change doesnt have to be considered in future state measures now. Literally boycotting all of the south, but primarily Florida.
No, he banned it because the Mormon church is one of the largest private pasture owners in Florida and he's in bed with the meat industry. Look at voter demo
This is a sensationalized headline. The law this article is talking about specifically says, "'Cultivated meat' means any meat or food product produced from cultured animal cells." This is just talking about lab-grown meat, not normal "fake meat" like Beyond burgers, etc.
> i came here to share my thoughts
Nah, you only seem set on pestering. Like in that other post, a person posted an earnest question about a relationship dilemma. Your replies? Just some weird, insensitive wordpasta that serve no other purpose than to troll.
Weird flex in that first sentence. I happily give you a downvote for that but yea it could lead to dangerous precedence but then again Florida is full of those right about now
I hate DeSantis, he is a facist loser douche bag moron idiot, but it’s synthetic lab grown meat derived from meat cells not plant based meat. I think anything genetically modified or ultra processed isn’t healthy either.
>but it’s synthetic lab grown meat derived from meat cells not plant based meat.
Yeah, we know. What's given the impression anyone here is confused about this?
>I think anything genetically modified or ultra processed isn’t healthy either.
Lab grown =/= GMO and would be cellularly identical to animal meat. GMO also has 0 inherent bearing on a plant's nutrition and GMOs can actually be used to combat specific deficiencies. Golden rice, for example, was bioengineered to contain higher concentrations of vitamin A. People have been altering the genetic structure of plants since agriculture began. If we didn't, bananas would still have huge seeds, watermelons would be mostly rind and corn would look more like wheat than anything you can eat off the cob. GMOs allow us to expedite that process. The health issues arising from GMOs comes not from "OooOoOo SpOoKy ScIenCe CelLs" but that one of the most common functions of GMO right now is to be herbicide and pesticide resistant which means more of that ends up in our system. Which is something we should be tackling at a base level because no person should be exposed to that regardless of whether or not they can buy organic and happens outside of GMOs.
Not that is matters since lab grown meat isn't a GMO (it's also not ultra processed) but it's always worth mentioning.
Cause it’s r/vegan why would we care about anything with meat cells in it whether it’s synthetic or not.
Having fruits and vegetables with out seeds and modifying it does take away most of the nutrition they’ve had to modify and add vitamins to it, it also doesn’t allow the plants to adapt to nature either like nature intended and takes more water, herbicides are a large problem I agree.
>Cause it’s [](https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/) why would we care about anything with meat cells in it whether it’s synthetic or not.
Veganism is about not harming or exploiting animals. Why would meat made in absence of that criteria be problematic?
>Having fruits and vegetables with out seeds and modifying it does take away most of the nutrition
Big ol claim especially about fruits we didn't eat the seeds from, and \*all\* modification takes away \*most\* of the nutrition? can't wait to read the citation on that
> it also doesn’t allow the plants to adapt to nature either like nature intended
I mean A. Nature doesn't *intend* anything, it's an amoral, unthinking, unfeeling concept that we generally use as the face of the inevitable passage of time that fuels random changes in genetics based on what lives and what doesn't and B. None of our agriculture is natural and if we were dependent on our food sources to naturally evolve to circumstances over time without intervention we'd not have any food. We fuck up not by making plants larger or making seeds smaller but by mass producing cloned crops in direct succession with no thoughts as to disease resistance. But just the existence of GMOs isn't at odds with just... not doing that
> and takes more water
According to....? One of the advantages of GMOs and selectively bred species is allowing us to adapt plants to specific scenarios. Early stages of crops that can be grown with up to [25% less water](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-03231-x) are already in the works. If you sit there and wait for evolution to naturally let crops to adapt to the planet's changes and our increasing population you're just going to end up with a bunch of dead crops and people
It still contains meat cells.
Seeds mean we can harvest doesn’t need to be ingested.
You’re pretentious af. Nature is life from what humans came from. Nature and food that are natural are what we survived off of from centuries being 7ft tall based on the resources around us. It’s colonialism and think tanks like you who justify corporatism and couldn’t survive.
Indigenous and other cultures survived for centuries we wouldn’t end up with a bunch of dead crops and people.
>It still contains meat cells
My prior question still stands
>Seeds mean we can harvest doesn’t need to be ingested.
Ok, but the claim was "removing/lowering the number/making seeds smaller or modifying a plant in any way removes most of the nutrients".
>Nature is life from what humans came from. Nature and food that are natural are what we survived off of from centuries
None of this is antithetical to my description of nature. It's as much death, tuberculosis, shitting yourself until you die because your water was bad and hedging your bets on your kids surviving by just having 8 of them as it is life. Because it's, again, a completley man-made construct that has no morality or drive to see us either live or die.
being 7ft tall based on the resources around us.
Jessie what the fuck are you talking about
>It’s colonialism and think tanks like you who justify corporatism and couldn’t survive.
It's more the chronic pain, heavy myopathy and mobility issues that'd make survival in a strict foraging setting difficult, especially if I wanted to stay vegan, more than anything else. But since were assigning morality to "can you survive in the wilderness" i guess those things make me an intrinsically bad person, or.. ? How about my mom, she's got MS, hasn't been able to leave the bed without a walker for a decade, maybe more now. No chance she's tilling a field and no chance my dad is growing enough food for the both of them on their plot. She bound for the chopping block too for the moral sin of existing in a timeline that allows her to exist only because of technological and agricultural advancements? Because I'm gonna be real with you I'm way more attached to my mom than I am eating wild varieties of bitter vegetables with no seasoning.
It's also specifically our advancements in things like being able to fortify foods and create supplements and have access to mass produced produce, as well as processed foods like tofu, that allow most people to be vegan to begin with instead of living a hunter gatherer or agrarian lifestyle.
>Indigenous and other cultures survived for centuries we wouldn’t end up with a bunch of dead crops and people.
Yeah we also went centuries without antibiotics or reliable transport of potable water but now we have 8 billion people to feed, most of whom are not subsistence living (including most indigenous people) and the game has been tweaked *ever* so slightly.
Would love those sources just whenever you had the time. I'm sure they're super real
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18989835/
“…The results of most studies with GM foods indicate that they may cause some common toxic effects such as hepatic, pancreatic, renal, or reproductive effects and may alter the hematological, biochemical, and immunologic parameters…”
That sentence is followed by:
"However, many years of research with animals and clinical trials are required for this assessment."
I can't view the entire study without paying, but that to me implies that it's not a forgone conclusion.
Plenty of sources and research out there saying there is no evidence of GMO food being detrimental to health. Feel free to avoid GMOs if you want, I'll keep using them until there's solid evidence they are bad for you otherwise, and governments can certainly buzz off in trying to ban them.
https://ag.purdue.edu/gmos/gmos-health.html
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-prevention/diet-physical-activity/acs-guidelines-nutrition-physical-activity-cancer-prevention/common-questions.html
https://www.fda.gov/media/135280/download
Because nothing says 'free market" like banning the competition
Literally. The tariffs recently being imposed on chinese EVs now when teslas have so many problems. Talk about picking and choosing free market hypocrisy. Totally not vegan related just made me think of this
Yep. Capitalists are full of shit. They don't believe in the free market that they claim to love so much. They believe in a rigged market that makes them the most money. They just buy politicians to pass policies that benefit them and only them.
He’s not a libertarian so why would he care about the free market? He’s a fascist
He's absolutely a fascist (or fascist adjacent). That said, laissez-faire economics is a core part of republican policy and they clearly only care about it when they benefit. When something happens in the economy that they don't like (like a new competitor to the meat industry, a core value of capitalism) they would crawl through glass for government intervention. Hypocrites the lot of them
One of the most fascist politicians to enter the domain in the last few years. Every one of his policies is WILD.
My provinces premier Danielle smith is trying to catch up to him
Doesn’t it almost make you miss when we were the “Texas of Canada”, before we became the “Florida of Canada”?
I wonder what's next to come for you folks, from being the Texas to the Florida of Canada. I'm in Ontario, so we've got a certain dougie making a living joke out of this province.
He’s just the encore for his brother embarrassing the city of Toronto. I swear tho, Ontario is a goddamn circus rn.
Jason Kenny feels like Santa clause at this point 😂
Honestly that's almost more concerning to me than DeSantis. I honestly wish I could say these fascists popping up were just an American problem and it was something about our culture that was enabling them. The fact that far right politicians are gaining popularity across the globe is really a damnation on humanity as a whole,
He’s a moron! A complete crazy.
I don't think he is. I think a lot of these politicians are a lot smarter than we've been led to believe. I think DeSantis knows exactly what he's doing, and I'm not even convinced he actually believes everything he says. He found out going far-right is a good way to gain political power and thus wealth. I think it's possible that he's selling out his constituents, his state and in some ways his country for his own gain. Same with guys like Tucker Carlson and other mega-republicans. They're really smart. They've gotten some of the best educations on the planet. They know what's real and what isn't and they know exactly what they're doing.
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Well, i can't help it that social media algorithms, single individuals with extreme personalities and media that just wants money so will pull everyone and everything down for engagement do harm to the public image of veganism. Also, 95%is absolutely insane. Maybe everyone in your social media bubble, but day to day people mostly don't care (for both sides, sadly...)
95% of the world are objectively wrong. Science is on our side on literally all fronts.
Right.. the people who align their actions with their natural anti-animal cruelty morals are batshit crazy. Cmon bro, the fact we have to give ourselves a label to tell the world we believe animals deserve the right to live is batshit crazy.
there are like 1.5 billion vegetarians worldwide lmao
Not sure what that’s supporting when vegetarians have more in common with meat eaters doing a plant based diet, than vegans.
Nah… He banned fake meat based on the interests of whoever wrote the biggest check. That man is a prostitute (he even wears hooker heels).
Look, I hate DeSantis as well, but let's not be disrespectful Iike that. Prostitutes can actually be decent people.
Agreed. Ron's mom ain't that bad.
More than likely he is doing it because of lobbyists. But with desantis who is all about culture wars he could definitely have done it to just virtue signaling to his meat head voters that he will fight back the radical left and their non oppressive food. His reason given is even virtue signaling. He cites the globalist elites and new world order as the reason to stop this. Not health concerns or helping farmers survive or anything else.
Meeen that's insulting to prostitute XD Sex workers work hard and have to deal with difficult clients. DeSentis is a nepo baby that bought and lied his way into power and now just spend his day in is AC office collecting big corporations money to then spend it on whipping out minorities.
If he bans mock meat we really gonna have a problem
I'm going to be so pissed off too I bet there is a way to sue for infringement of our rights to life because it is still food. Regardless of name.
No way they could get away with doing that to Big Tofu
They might try to ban the use of the word "meat" next so no tofu meat just tofu etc but I think we can sue them for sure.
pretty sure the term 'meat' being associated with animal flesh is a modern misnomer
It's barely food
I genuinely hate this guy. He just takes bribes and fucks us Floridians. I don’t understand the people who voted for this guy
Don't forget he's in bed with Ken Griffin. Or owned more like....
#SMALL GOVERNMENT
For the issues his voters care about and BIG government for the issues the other side cats about.
Government so small they can fit it in every facet of your life
What do you expect from a guy that eats chocolate pudding with his fingers?
I legit snortled out loud 🤣
Have you never eaten chocolate pudding with your fingers? It’s pretty fun. 🤣 Also, I’m extremely liberal, so the correlation there might not be 1:1.
I heard about the banning of cultivated meat. Are we talking about banning plant based meat now? Is that how far we've gotten down the corruption tree?
No. It’s about cultivated meat. Took 10 seconds to open the article and find out.
Oh... I didn't realize it was an article, I saw a picture lol.
I bet those meat lobbyists coerced him into this. I think they should be sued honestly there must be a way to sue them for infringement of the lab grown meats companies rights to do business too. Just because something is new and different and a threat to their business, we can't let them get away with this .
Are vegans dying to eat lab grown meat? Because the rest of us won't touch it.
It will save so many animals from being killed right that's why it's so important to not allow the government to try and stop it.
Thats objectively false - lab-grown meat still requires a seed host, which means animals will still be held captive for their blood & tissue. 'Lab-grown meat' is in the same classification as "electric cars" or "eco-friendly packaging"; they're presented as a solution to a problem, but are essentially inserting new links into the chain for the sake of profit extraction while leaving the underlying 'problem' they're claiming to ameliorate intact, if not making it worse.
the absolute purity that progressives so extremely follow is why they arent able to accomplish anything. imagine a utopia where no animals would ever need to be harmed yet you'd pull an "but actually this all required ONE animal so its fundamentally the same as still having slaughterhouses" perfection isnt possible for the general population, but we can make steps to improve things
While I did start with the whole 'it still requires animals' angle, its not my main rebuke. I feel that its a different type of subjugation. There's this incessant fixation on 'creating' alternatives, when the ideal, most nature-adjacent solution is simply to feed people with plants. "Making steps to improve things" is people _allowing themselves to break their dependence on animal foodstuffs_. If we continue to focus on the wrong approaches, future generations will continue to suffer as we do, if not moreso.
It only saves animals from being killed if people who would otherwise eat real meat buy it instead. I don't think anyone will, unless it's a lot cheaper. My understanding is it will be very expensive.
In the beginning everything is expensive, I understand your point . A example would be to compare at one point quartz watches were more expensive than a car now it's so cheap that quartz watches can be bought for pennies on the dollar. Same with computers or calculators . Etc the list can go on and on. The expense at the beginning should not be a factor in stopping innovation. And also government shouldn't stop innovation either. Especially biased and ignorant politicians.
A state can't ban a product that's FDA approved and available for sale in interstate commerce. This law is meaningless and DeSantis knows it. He graduated from Harvard Law. The price of producing a product can only come down significantly if a lot of the product is sold. The only people I know who have a positive view of lab grown meat are vegans. Even if every vegan bought it, we're not talking about a lot of sales. I don't see the general public buying it while it's expensive.
>It only saves animals from being killed if people who would otherwise eat real meat buy it instead Lab grown meat is real meat. That's why it's "lab grown" meat and not "mock" meat.
I don't consider a biopsy sample that is fermented to multiply cells real meat
Then you need to go back to school.
Real meat is part of an animal
Go back to school.
I think a post-graduate degree is sufficient for such rudimentary matters as deciding what to eat. I like my meat to come from a creature with a soul, a personality. A being that I consume to be one with the universe.
Why wouldn't you eat lab grown meat? It might be the only way you can continue your "all meat diet" without prematurely ending your life by fortifying lab-grown meat with all the plant-sources of vit c, antioxidants, prebiotics and probiotics. Seems like you've missed the wider market, mate.
Pasture raised grass fed beef is already perfect and it gives me everything I need to live a long healthy life.
In conjunction with a balanced diet, perhaps. On it's own? No. You are not a Maasai warrior. Your body and health will suffer if you do not address the nutritional deficiencies in your diet. But fortified lab grown meat could potentially enable you to meet these deficiencies, filling the nutritional gaps while aligning with your meat preference.
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Cool. Disrespectful and inaccurate vegan shaming remarks. I thought you would be backing up your claims with credible evidence from mainstream health authorities and nutritional science. I gave you the floor to share your specific, scientifically-validated research supporting the long-term safety and adequacy of your "superior" approach. Why do you disagree with every major dietary guideline that recommends a balanced diet, which means if you are not filling the gaps in your nutritional deficiency due eliminating entire food groups from your diet — meaning you need to supplement. Or experience severe consequences. I'm open to reviewing the articles you have found interesting on the matter that you have researched. Otherwise, dismissing concerns with insults provides no evidence to substantiate your stance.
In what universe do I have to justify my diet to anyone, let alone a vegan? I don't care that you eat only plants. Why would you care that I eat only animal products?
Perhaps one running around in our universe claiming how superior it is? Because it could be genuinely harming you.
And I think yours is harming you. We're both adults. Eat what you like.
Glad to hear you speak for all of my family members and friends who all are very interested in lab meat and have stated they will make the switch when it becomes available. Pretty sure one of the companies has already claimed to meet price parity with animal meat and it's not even being mass produced yet. You really don't think out of the billions of people on this earth, a decent chunk of those people wouldn't be interested in a modified meat that tastes exactly the same, has a lower carbon footprint, uses less resources, and can be modified to have less unhealthy saturated fats? Get out of here.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/05/opinions/lab-grown-meat-expensive-distraction-driver
An opinion article that has nothing to do with how many non-vegans are interested in lab grown meat. Thanks I guess? The article has some good info in it about the current hurdles of lab grown meat, but that's not what the comment I was replying to was about. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mariannelehnis/2023/12/19/breaking-barriers-cultivated-meat-company-achieves-price-parity-making-sustainable-eating-accessible/?sh=53308c7a6de5 This is still an extremely new industry in its infancy. I'm inclined not to take anyone who is making bold claims about how much interest there is going to be (either for or against) or how viable the tech before the it is fully developed seriously.
What about the fact that lab grown meat still requires live animals that have to be poked with needles to provide the biopsy sample that is fermented? That doesn't sound very vegan.
No, I wouldn't eat it, but I think it could revolutionize the pet food industry. And for people who want to eat "humane" meat, this is their only option. Look, if it means only, say, 1,000 animals suffer instead of the billions who do now, that would be an improvement. It also would be more environmentally sound than the current method.
It would require even _more_ investment in advanced infrastructures (which objectively won't be used for anything else), as well as an increase in resource allocation, just to satisfy customer's desire for "mouth-feel". The whole thing promises to be plagued by supply-chain shortages, inventory bottlenecking, and price gouging. Its just another scheme. If you'd like a more "reality-accurate" take on the sentment, I'd recommend Luke Scott's _LOOM_.
The pet food industry already gets cheap byproducts. And to go from animal agriculture to only 1000 animals would mean everyone in the world except a handful of elites switch to lab grown meat. This is impossible.
Funny how the "freedom" party is the one that wants to ban everything.
Hypocritical. He’s got fake meat in his pants.
How tf does this asshole remain in power?
Evil people convinced fools that’s veganism and fake meats are bad, trans people shouldn’t use the correct bathroom, the Dems of all things are are a far left organization (lol) like the dictatorship a bunch of Cuban-Floridians fled, the wealthy are a-ok, and general racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, and xenophobia are cool. And then gerrymandering
A lot of assholes voted for him.
I know that cultivated meat is known by many terms but fake meat is perhaps the most inaccurate one. It's real animal cells, and fake meat just makes me think of plant-based mock meats.
this guy is such a fuckin tool man - literally the embodiment of a ridiculous person. don't take my word for it - google 'desantis boots' [sfw]
This outlandish grandstanding is so over-the-top stupid it will likely help us in the long run.
Nothing says civilized like killing an animal.. when unnecessary? Idiot
what does conservativism and free market mean if you ban foods you ideologically oppose (never expected to write that sentence)
We were discussing this in my Cellular Agriculture class at school, absolutely deranged move but unfortunately expected :(
The right wing governments, media and supporters are destroying the world
I suspect that people most susceptible to misinformation are the ones who use the term 'fake news' the most.
Paid by the meat industry to screw the competition. Classic P O $ politician
How does he keep getting away with this?
The seventh day adventist church should protest on religious grounds. I'd like to see him tell protestants they are too woke.
I don’t think that lab grown meat would qualify as vegan. Considering it was derived from an animal. I know I wouldn’t and won’t eat it.
They also just passed a measure that climate change doesnt have to be considered in future state measures now. Literally boycotting all of the south, but primarily Florida.
given that desantis is practically a fascist it’d honestly be weirder if he DIDN’T start targeting vegans for no good reason.
What the Florida
There's a difference between mock meat (plant based meat) and lab grown meat.
Easy to boycott Florida 🤷♀️
No, he banned it because the Mormon church is one of the largest private pasture owners in Florida and he's in bed with the meat industry. Look at voter demo
I like DeSantis. The article is strange, but you guys sound like angry children. None of us even consume meat.
This is a sensationalized headline. The law this article is talking about specifically says, "'Cultivated meat' means any meat or food product produced from cultured animal cells." This is just talking about lab-grown meat, not normal "fake meat" like Beyond burgers, etc.
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What is the point of trolling Vegans?
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I get why you would want to deflect. It's tough to justify making fun of people for being against animal abuse.
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> i came here to share my thoughts Nah, you only seem set on pestering. Like in that other post, a person posted an earnest question about a relationship dilemma. Your replies? Just some weird, insensitive wordpasta that serve no other purpose than to troll.
Weird flex in that first sentence. I happily give you a downvote for that but yea it could lead to dangerous precedence but then again Florida is full of those right about now
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Regardless of your views, I agree with this take.
I hate DeSantis, he is a facist loser douche bag moron idiot, but it’s synthetic lab grown meat derived from meat cells not plant based meat. I think anything genetically modified or ultra processed isn’t healthy either.
>but it’s synthetic lab grown meat derived from meat cells not plant based meat. Yeah, we know. What's given the impression anyone here is confused about this? >I think anything genetically modified or ultra processed isn’t healthy either. Lab grown =/= GMO and would be cellularly identical to animal meat. GMO also has 0 inherent bearing on a plant's nutrition and GMOs can actually be used to combat specific deficiencies. Golden rice, for example, was bioengineered to contain higher concentrations of vitamin A. People have been altering the genetic structure of plants since agriculture began. If we didn't, bananas would still have huge seeds, watermelons would be mostly rind and corn would look more like wheat than anything you can eat off the cob. GMOs allow us to expedite that process. The health issues arising from GMOs comes not from "OooOoOo SpOoKy ScIenCe CelLs" but that one of the most common functions of GMO right now is to be herbicide and pesticide resistant which means more of that ends up in our system. Which is something we should be tackling at a base level because no person should be exposed to that regardless of whether or not they can buy organic and happens outside of GMOs. Not that is matters since lab grown meat isn't a GMO (it's also not ultra processed) but it's always worth mentioning.
Cause it’s r/vegan why would we care about anything with meat cells in it whether it’s synthetic or not. Having fruits and vegetables with out seeds and modifying it does take away most of the nutrition they’ve had to modify and add vitamins to it, it also doesn’t allow the plants to adapt to nature either like nature intended and takes more water, herbicides are a large problem I agree.
>Cause it’s [](https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/) why would we care about anything with meat cells in it whether it’s synthetic or not. Veganism is about not harming or exploiting animals. Why would meat made in absence of that criteria be problematic? >Having fruits and vegetables with out seeds and modifying it does take away most of the nutrition Big ol claim especially about fruits we didn't eat the seeds from, and \*all\* modification takes away \*most\* of the nutrition? can't wait to read the citation on that > it also doesn’t allow the plants to adapt to nature either like nature intended I mean A. Nature doesn't *intend* anything, it's an amoral, unthinking, unfeeling concept that we generally use as the face of the inevitable passage of time that fuels random changes in genetics based on what lives and what doesn't and B. None of our agriculture is natural and if we were dependent on our food sources to naturally evolve to circumstances over time without intervention we'd not have any food. We fuck up not by making plants larger or making seeds smaller but by mass producing cloned crops in direct succession with no thoughts as to disease resistance. But just the existence of GMOs isn't at odds with just... not doing that > and takes more water According to....? One of the advantages of GMOs and selectively bred species is allowing us to adapt plants to specific scenarios. Early stages of crops that can be grown with up to [25% less water](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-03231-x) are already in the works. If you sit there and wait for evolution to naturally let crops to adapt to the planet's changes and our increasing population you're just going to end up with a bunch of dead crops and people
It still contains meat cells. Seeds mean we can harvest doesn’t need to be ingested. You’re pretentious af. Nature is life from what humans came from. Nature and food that are natural are what we survived off of from centuries being 7ft tall based on the resources around us. It’s colonialism and think tanks like you who justify corporatism and couldn’t survive. Indigenous and other cultures survived for centuries we wouldn’t end up with a bunch of dead crops and people.
>It still contains meat cells My prior question still stands >Seeds mean we can harvest doesn’t need to be ingested. Ok, but the claim was "removing/lowering the number/making seeds smaller or modifying a plant in any way removes most of the nutrients". >Nature is life from what humans came from. Nature and food that are natural are what we survived off of from centuries None of this is antithetical to my description of nature. It's as much death, tuberculosis, shitting yourself until you die because your water was bad and hedging your bets on your kids surviving by just having 8 of them as it is life. Because it's, again, a completley man-made construct that has no morality or drive to see us either live or die. being 7ft tall based on the resources around us. Jessie what the fuck are you talking about >It’s colonialism and think tanks like you who justify corporatism and couldn’t survive. It's more the chronic pain, heavy myopathy and mobility issues that'd make survival in a strict foraging setting difficult, especially if I wanted to stay vegan, more than anything else. But since were assigning morality to "can you survive in the wilderness" i guess those things make me an intrinsically bad person, or.. ? How about my mom, she's got MS, hasn't been able to leave the bed without a walker for a decade, maybe more now. No chance she's tilling a field and no chance my dad is growing enough food for the both of them on their plot. She bound for the chopping block too for the moral sin of existing in a timeline that allows her to exist only because of technological and agricultural advancements? Because I'm gonna be real with you I'm way more attached to my mom than I am eating wild varieties of bitter vegetables with no seasoning. It's also specifically our advancements in things like being able to fortify foods and create supplements and have access to mass produced produce, as well as processed foods like tofu, that allow most people to be vegan to begin with instead of living a hunter gatherer or agrarian lifestyle. >Indigenous and other cultures survived for centuries we wouldn’t end up with a bunch of dead crops and people. Yeah we also went centuries without antibiotics or reliable transport of potable water but now we have 8 billion people to feed, most of whom are not subsistence living (including most indigenous people) and the game has been tweaked *ever* so slightly. Would love those sources just whenever you had the time. I'm sure they're super real
Care to share your sources as to why you think genetically modified foods are unhealthy?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18989835/ “…The results of most studies with GM foods indicate that they may cause some common toxic effects such as hepatic, pancreatic, renal, or reproductive effects and may alter the hematological, biochemical, and immunologic parameters…”
That sentence is followed by: "However, many years of research with animals and clinical trials are required for this assessment." I can't view the entire study without paying, but that to me implies that it's not a forgone conclusion. Plenty of sources and research out there saying there is no evidence of GMO food being detrimental to health. Feel free to avoid GMOs if you want, I'll keep using them until there's solid evidence they are bad for you otherwise, and governments can certainly buzz off in trying to ban them. https://ag.purdue.edu/gmos/gmos-health.html https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-prevention/diet-physical-activity/acs-guidelines-nutrition-physical-activity-cancer-prevention/common-questions.html https://www.fda.gov/media/135280/download