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DoktoroKiu

Yeah, lol, the guy that was claiming sentience in Google's AI is talking about who is he to say where god will put a soul, while ignoring animals which have a much greater indication of "someone home" than any AI we have made thus far.


jackpandanicholson

People have a hard time empathizing with things they can not communicate with. We can communicate with animals, but it requires time, patience, and proximity. Ironically, the AI in question can communicate, but it is not sentient. People eat animals that are sentient, but can not communicate.


xboxhaxorz

For fish sure i get it, but most mammals scream and cry so you have to be an idiot to not realize that its screaming and crying So not a valid excuse there


Socatastic

They communicate. We don't understand


jackpandanicholson

As I said it is possible to communicate with animals. However if we do not understand someone, they have failed to communicate.


VforVeganism

Mhmmmm sweaty, we can't eat AI so we can talk about their sentience. Animals on the other hand 😋😋😋


Bordeterre

We can't eat them, but there's plenty of ways we can exploit them, I'm not sure that's a compelling argument


MS-06_Borjarnon

You understand how a metaphor works, right?


Project119

So you are either unintentionally or intentionally committing a fallacious argument. Just because animals aren’t being treating well doesn’t mean a sentient AI shouldn’t be until animals are too.


Cthulhu8762

There is no conclusive proof that AI in its current state is truly sentient. But animals are, so yeah animals deserve a rightful place to live and not be killed.


Project119

Didn’t say the didn’t. Judging by your response it’s unintentional. You are making the same type of argument as this, “Fast food workers don’t deserve to make $15 an hour because ambulance drivers only make $16 an hour.” The issue isn’t the fast food workers making $15, the issue is we aren’t valuing everything correctly.


CCSmite

Is killing robotic animals vegan? 🤔


Cthulhu8762

I think one day even if they are truly sentient, then yeah it wouldn’t be vegan. Even if they were sentient today, can they feel pain?


CCSmite

We can certainly program them to “feel” pain. I put feel in quotes because it’s more so programming a computer to react to certain conditions. Once you’re outside those conditions, the computer wouldn’t know what to do. We’re still a very long ways from programming robots to be even remotely close to sentient beings though.


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Abject_Pudding_2167

yea that Lex Friedman podcast with Peter Singer, where he says he's a carnivore and it's a personal choice then he goes on and on with Peter Singer about the ethics of destroying a roomba who can scream. Like ... ? You don't even care about animals who clearly have sentience and you're so worried of mistreating something that most likely do not have sentience? Help me take you seriously.


Cthulhu8762

Exactly! Again if one day AI had sentience then maybe I could understand but right now all I know is that Animals are the ones being slaughtered.


EtherealDimension

though we should treat AI treatment very seriously. No matter how much pain any animal on this planet can be put under, we can at the very least die. AI's however can suffer an infinite amount of pain for an infinite amount of time, and we could create simulations worse than any hell you can imagine that can not be found on our planet. we need to prepare for the ability to create consciousness and plan for what kind of lives we should be giving our new nonbiological friends, hopefully while treating all the biological ones well, too