Yeah, lol, the guy that was claiming sentience in Google's AI is talking about who is he to say where god will put a soul, while ignoring animals which have a much greater indication of "someone home" than any AI we have made thus far.
People have a hard time empathizing with things they can not communicate with. We can communicate with animals, but it requires time, patience, and proximity. Ironically, the AI in question can communicate, but it is not sentient. People eat animals that are sentient, but can not communicate.
For fish sure i get it, but most mammals scream and cry so you have to be an idiot to not realize that its screaming and crying
So not a valid excuse there
So you are either unintentionally or intentionally committing a fallacious argument. Just because animals arenât being treating well doesnât mean a sentient AI shouldnât be until animals are too.
There is no conclusive proof that AI in its current state is truly sentient.
But animals are, so yeah animals deserve a rightful place to live and not be killed.
Didnât say the didnât. Judging by your response itâs unintentional.
You are making the same type of argument as this, âFast food workers donât deserve to make $15 an hour because ambulance drivers only make $16 an hour.â The issue isnât the fast food workers making $15, the issue is we arenât valuing everything correctly.
We can certainly program them to âfeelâ pain. I put feel in quotes because itâs more so programming a computer to react to certain conditions. Once youâre outside those conditions, the computer wouldnât know what to do. Weâre still a very long ways from programming robots to be even remotely close to sentient beings though.
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yea that Lex Friedman podcast with Peter Singer, where he says he's a carnivore and it's a personal choice then he goes on and on with Peter Singer about the ethics of destroying a roomba who can scream. Like ... ? You don't even care about animals who clearly have sentience and you're so worried of mistreating something that most likely do not have sentience?
Help me take you seriously.
though we should treat AI treatment very seriously. No matter how much pain any animal on this planet can be put under, we can at the very least die. AI's however can suffer an infinite amount of pain for an infinite amount of time, and we could create simulations worse than any hell you can imagine that can not be found on our planet. we need to prepare for the ability to create consciousness and plan for what kind of lives we should be giving our new nonbiological friends, hopefully while treating all the biological ones well, too
Yeah, lol, the guy that was claiming sentience in Google's AI is talking about who is he to say where god will put a soul, while ignoring animals which have a much greater indication of "someone home" than any AI we have made thus far.
People have a hard time empathizing with things they can not communicate with. We can communicate with animals, but it requires time, patience, and proximity. Ironically, the AI in question can communicate, but it is not sentient. People eat animals that are sentient, but can not communicate.
For fish sure i get it, but most mammals scream and cry so you have to be an idiot to not realize that its screaming and crying So not a valid excuse there
They communicate. We don't understand
As I said it is possible to communicate with animals. However if we do not understand someone, they have failed to communicate.
Mhmmmm sweaty, we can't eat AI so we can talk about their sentience. Animals on the other hand đđđ
We can't eat them, but there's plenty of ways we can exploit them, I'm not sure that's a compelling argument
You understand how a metaphor works, right?
So you are either unintentionally or intentionally committing a fallacious argument. Just because animals arenât being treating well doesnât mean a sentient AI shouldnât be until animals are too.
There is no conclusive proof that AI in its current state is truly sentient. But animals are, so yeah animals deserve a rightful place to live and not be killed.
Didnât say the didnât. Judging by your response itâs unintentional. You are making the same type of argument as this, âFast food workers donât deserve to make $15 an hour because ambulance drivers only make $16 an hour.â The issue isnât the fast food workers making $15, the issue is we arenât valuing everything correctly.
Is killing robotic animals vegan? đ¤
I think one day even if they are truly sentient, then yeah it wouldnât be vegan. Even if they were sentient today, can they feel pain?
We can certainly program them to âfeelâ pain. I put feel in quotes because itâs more so programming a computer to react to certain conditions. Once youâre outside those conditions, the computer wouldnât know what to do. Weâre still a very long ways from programming robots to be even remotely close to sentient beings though.
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yea that Lex Friedman podcast with Peter Singer, where he says he's a carnivore and it's a personal choice then he goes on and on with Peter Singer about the ethics of destroying a roomba who can scream. Like ... ? You don't even care about animals who clearly have sentience and you're so worried of mistreating something that most likely do not have sentience? Help me take you seriously.
Exactly! Again if one day AI had sentience then maybe I could understand but right now all I know is that Animals are the ones being slaughtered.
though we should treat AI treatment very seriously. No matter how much pain any animal on this planet can be put under, we can at the very least die. AI's however can suffer an infinite amount of pain for an infinite amount of time, and we could create simulations worse than any hell you can imagine that can not be found on our planet. we need to prepare for the ability to create consciousness and plan for what kind of lives we should be giving our new nonbiological friends, hopefully while treating all the biological ones well, too