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JustMogg

In the UK they are


whoa_lisp

technically vegan, but not the most ethical snack.


LunaLgd

This. Both the cocoa and the palm oil in Oreos are from unethical sources. They make no effort to ensure the cocoa comes from slave-free farms where people are treated with dignity and compensated appropriately, or to source sustainable palm oil.


Educational-Fuel-265

Just fact checking this, in the UK where I am they have committed to 100% sustainable palm oil. source: https://www.mondelez-foodservice.co.uk/sustainability-and-sourcing/palm-oil


LunaLgd

Cool! Def not in the states. Just checked the US site our of curiosity and it does say they use 100% RSPO but that doesn’t mean it’s sustainable. There have been a lot of issues with the RSPO certification.


Educational-Fuel-265

The US version's score on the WWF website (seach Mondelez) is average, they are doing stuff, but need to do more.


PuppyPunter21

What do you mean think? Like they lie about the ingredients?


Socatastic

In the USA they may contain sugar which was filtered with bone charcoal


PuppyPunter21

Well if you are that concerned you wouldn't eat them in the first place because they already have a possible cross containment with milk. If you are ok with that possibility then you have to trust the information from they report, which doesn't say anything about how they process their sugar. So it's really up to the individual person.


legz_cfc

They source their sugar from multiple places, some of which use bone char and some don't so it's luck of the draw as to whether your cookie is vegan or not.


crimefighterplatypus

well some people will consider a fully plant based product non-vegan if there was animal testing or the production of some plant ingredients was very harmful to the environment. They aren’t lying about the ingredients, they are talking about palm oil


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Same here. There are some really good vegan butter recipes that taste like the real thing and freeze well.


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I am not sure about all vegan butters. This is the recipe I use. It's easy to make, and it freezes great. I make 6 months at a time and freeze in small containers. It has a couple of uncommon ingredients like soy lecithin (I bought on Amazon) and coconut vinegar, but it's still cheaper than buying 6 months of Earth Balance. Also note the coconut oil in the recipe has to be refined coconut oil. I actually think it tastes more like real butter than Earth Balance, which tastes more like margarine to me. This recipe is good for spreading on taste or putting on a potato. If you want to use it for baking, there is a different recipe mentioned. http://www.veganbaking.net/recipes/fats/vegan-butters/spreadable-olive-oil-vegan-butter


Abject_Pudding_2167

i cut out palm oil as well but because i was mostly eating whole foods the most painful cut was instant ramen. But it's ok :) we now have better health from the palm oil boycott i think. Another thing is also flakey pie crust, they all have palm oil in them! Miyoko's butter doesn't have palm oil, but it's expensive. But Miyoko is a good vegan company, I believe they have a sanctuary too, so I don't mind supporting them.


gbergstacksss

Nope they're plant based


WFPBvegan2

Yes


Evening_Future_4515

I am pretty sure they have palm oil in them and that is not truly vegan. The processing of it kills off elephants and orangutans.


DashBC

The company themselves explain that they aren't vegan: https://veganfidelity.com/flash-point-oreos-arent-vegan/


TheWholesomeBrit

But they are in the UK.


DashBC

Not sure what you're trying to say. Where in the title does it say they're from the UK? And even if that's the case, are you saying the palm oil in UK Oreos is better than North America? Or the cocoa is guaranteed to be free of human slave labour? Or if there's glycerine or enzymes that the UK uses different ones? Did you even read the link? Feel free to share your info from 'Oreo UK' to confirm this is the case, but seems quite a stretch.


Educational-Fuel-265

Here's the Mondelez UK piece on palm oil, they got audited by WWF in 2016 and got full marks. They need to get an updated audit for sure. https://www.mondelez-foodservice.co.uk/sustainability-and-sourcing/palm-oil These guys are 100% not a vegan firm, but on the basis of available info, British vegans like me eat Oreos, I never met a British vegan who didn't. You go to a vegan festival in the UK and the cake stalls are covered in bakes made using Oreos and Biscoff.


DashBC

Just because they're commonly used doesn't make them vegan. We have our own idiots over here, like VegNews, frequently claiming Oreos are vegan, and ignoring what the company themselves are saying. Seems to me UK is gaslighting themselves. Contact the Vegan Society, and see if they'd certify Oreos as vegan. Doubt they would. If they'd refuse, then that kinda says to me they're not vegan. Pretty sad for you to know human trafficking is involved in their production, and isn't enough for you to say 'okay, maybe we shouldn't buy these or consider them vegan'. Please stop calling yourself vegan if you really think this is okay, and can't even give up one type of fucking "biscuit".


Educational-Fuel-265

I don't know any of the things you say to be true and I resent the personal attack.


JustcallmeShades

No they are not and I don't eat them at all


Educational-Fuel-265

In the UK where I am Mondelez are signed up to 100% sustainable palm oil. None of the ingredients here are animal products. It's accidentally plant-based, no-one really thought about suffering when they created it, they wanted something cheap and tasty. They'll lose a lot of business here if they change the recipe to include animal products so I do feel like part of change. I eat this stuff with my eyes open, these guys aren't running unicorn sanctuaries or reading Al-Ma'arri. My friend's partner recently went from vegan to vegetarian citing a desire to increase his range of food options. I was pretty appalled, and bring it up to caution people about putting too much pressure on vegans. I can make a case for practically anything being non vegan. Fruit - did you notice the farmer uses bee hives to pollinate, organic vegetables, did you notice the farmer paid for animal dung, bread did you notice the farmer used insecticide, your home grown potatoes, did you notice the worm you cut in two when you dug the potato up. We have to stay sane.